[00:00] <godbyk> I don't see anything useful there that you've missed.
[00:00] <godbyk> Heh.. yeah, that's when Ben and I were blue-skying.
[00:00] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[00:01] <ChrisWoollard> Are there any paste bins or etherpads that you know of?
[00:02] <godbyk> Heh.  Well, here are the ones I've collected over time.  Hasn't been updated in a while, though, so it's probably missing newer stuff: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPpads
[00:02] <godbyk> Feel free to add to it.
[00:03] <ChrisWoollard> Should I add all of them or just some of them or just link to this pad?
[00:04] <godbyk> Add to what?
[00:04] <ChrisWoollard> the notes page
[00:05] <ChrisWoollard> a link to the pad
[00:05] <godbyk> You could it you wanted to, I s'pose.
[00:05] <godbyk> As long as people realize that the pads are likely out of date and may no longer be applicable to anything. :)
[00:07] <ChrisWoollard> I have looked and I don't think much of that is applicable to the general populus of the project
[00:07] <godbyk> Probably not.
[00:07] <ChrisWoollard> Ahhhh. I know what I wanted to link to. The Style Guide for non irc people.
[00:09] <godbyk> Ah, good idea.
[00:09] <godbyk> We need to go through that sometime and update it, too.
[00:09] <ChrisWoollard> Another thing. the topic of this channel still only says Lucid Edition 1 released
[00:09] <godbyk> There are new/updated commands we should mention.  We also need to add lots of non-LaTeX stuff to it.
[00:10] <godbyk> I'll try to figure out how to change the topic.
[00:10] <godbyk> (Have to figure out how to invoke op abilities first.)
[00:11] <ChrisWoollard> \msg chanserv recover
[00:11] <ChrisWoollard> i think
[00:15] <Omega> recover deops everyone
[00:15] <Omega> and +im the channel
[00:15] <Omega> If you want anyone to be able to change the topic
[00:15] <Omega> -t the channel
[00:16] <godbyk> Omega: I just want to change it once.
[00:16] <godbyk> I think I'm on the channel ops list, but I've never invoked op power before.
[00:17] <ChrisWoollard> just do \msg chanserv recover #ubuntu-manual
[00:17] <ChrisWoollard> with the correct slash
[00:18] <ChrisWoollard> or look at \msg chanserv help
[00:18] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Tried that. I get an error telling my I'm not a channel operator.
[00:18] <ChrisWoollard> Hmmm.
[00:18] <ChrisWoollard> Maybe you don't have permissions
[00:18] <Omega> no
[00:18] <Omega> don't
[00:18] <Omega> don't recover
[00:19] <godbyk> Omega: Understood. :)
[00:19] <Omega> recover only works for founder
[00:19] <godbyk> Ah.
[00:19] <godbyk> Makes sense.
[00:19] <Omega> /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-manual
[00:19] <Omega> And it doesn't do what you want it to do
[00:19] <Omega> it _recovers_ the channel
[00:19] <ChrisWoollard> ok, fair enough
[00:19] <Omega> (from evil)
[00:19] <Omega> deops everyone
[00:19] <Omega> mutes the channel
[00:19] <Omega> and make it invite only
[00:20] <ChrisWoollard> Doesn't that depend on the flags that have been set
[00:20] <godbyk> Omega: I see now.  Thanks for the help!
[00:20] <godbyk> Chaneserv op'd me when I asked it politely.
[00:20] <Omega> Anytime.
[00:20] <Omega> :)
[00:20] <Omega> /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-manual Omega
[00:20] <Omega> also works :P
[00:21] <godbyk> The last time I was an op in an irc channel, we just kept op on all the time.  I didn't have to op/deop.  (I think it was EFnet in the 90s.)
[00:21] <godbyk> Omega: Heh.. I bet! :)
[00:21] <Omega> And EFnet still doesn't have services (except chanfix)
[00:22] <Omega> Freenode is much cooler
[00:22] <godbyk> I was poking around the freenode.net site and couldn't find anything explaining that process.  There's a guideline against keeping op privs, but nothing about how to actually keep/release them (that I noticed).
[00:22] <godbyk> EFnet *still* doesn't have chanserv and the like?
[00:22] <godbyk> Wow.
[00:23] <Omega> Nope.
[00:23] <Omega> You can't register a nick
[00:23] <Omega> so people steal nicks
[00:23] <godbyk> Right.
[00:24] <Omega> Like, I recently lost 'Omega' there.
[00:24] <ChrisWoollard> Well, I have also learnt a couple of things. Thanks Omega
[00:24] <Omega> No problem.
[00:32] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: I have created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/maverick/todo
[00:32] <ChrisWoollard> Can you start to populate it.
[00:33] <ChrisWoollard> And maybe get others to populate it.
[00:33] <godbyk> For to do items, it might be better to use bugs or blueprints on launchpad.
[00:33] <godbyk> brb
[00:36] <godbyk> back
[00:37] <ChrisWoollard> True, but it was only supposed to be a summary.
[00:40] <ChrisWoollard> to try to gather some information together in a organised way.
[00:49] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: ping
[00:50] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: pong
[00:51] <ChrisWoollard> Just to let you know. I am going away for a few days. I don't know how much Internet access I will have. So that may mean that I won't be around for a few days trying to organise everybody.
[00:52] <godbyk> Okay.
[00:52] <ChrisWoollard> Goodness knows how I even started to do that anyway.
[00:52] <godbyk> Vacation?
[00:52] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[00:52] <godbyk> Awesome.
[00:52] <godbyk> Have fun!
[00:52] <godbyk> Yeah, I started out on this project just working on the book design stuff.  Now I do.. more than that. :)
[00:53] <ChrisWoollard> I would have expected Ben t direct more, but I don't see much off him.
[00:54] <ChrisWoollard> to
[00:55] <godbyk> Yeah, he's not been around much lately.
[00:55] <ChrisWoollard> WHat is he up to?
[00:55] <godbyk> A lot of other people who used to be around a lot haven't been around for a while, either.
[00:55] <godbyk> I think he's been busy with school and his OMG! Ubuntu!-related stuff.
[01:00] <ChrisWoollard> I hope nobody minds my organisation efforts.
[01:01] <godbyk> I think they're appreciated.
[01:01] <godbyk> I know I certainly appreciate them.
[01:01] <godbyk> I've been busy with work and dissertation stuff lately and haven't had time to orchestrate everything here.
[01:01] <ChrisWoollard> That's good.
[01:02] <ChrisWoollard> Anyway, I need to go to bed. See you whenever next time is (a few days probably).
[01:04] <godbyk> 'kay. G'night, ChrisWoollard.  Thanks for your help!
[11:06] <ChrisWoollard> hey ben
[11:07] <humphreybc> heya
[11:08] <ChrisWoollard> how do you feel now?
[11:08] <humphreybc> not too bad, still got this damn cough
[11:09] <ChrisWoollard> Have a look at the wiki. I did some organisation.
[11:09] <humphreybc> i have a tonne of work to do before the break which is this friday
[11:09] <humphreybc> yeah, i saw
[11:09] <humphreybc> good thinking
[11:09] <humphreybc> (i'm subscribed to the /ubuntu-manual wiki so i see all changes)
[11:11] <ChrisWoollard> i am going on vation for a few days now, so see you later
[11:12] <ChrisWoollard> can you also write me a testimonial on my wiki?
[11:14] <humphreybc> sure
[11:14] <humphreybc> I'll try to get around to it
[11:14] <humphreybc> I need to make a list of these
[11:14] <nisshh> humphreybc: your that popular are you? :)
[11:15] <humphreybc> apparently
[11:15] <nisshh> heh
[11:16] <ChrisWoollard> I also have list from loads of people.
[11:16] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins, godbyk, dakar.... etc etc...
[11:23] <nisshh> humphreybc: should all new bugs against the manual be pointed at maverick release?
[11:27] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[11:28] <ChrisWoollard> unless they are translation issues.
[11:28] <ChrisWoollard> bye
[11:28] <nisshh> ok
[13:58] <humphreybc> hey daker
[13:58] <daker> hello
[13:59] <daker> what's up ?
[14:22] <humphreybc> i'm just about to go to sleep
[14:22] <humphreybc> battery is dead
[14:22] <humphreybc> how are the new sites?
[14:27] <daker> they are standby for a while
[14:27] <daker> for 2 or 3 days
[14:27] <daker> i am working on something related  to UEC
[14:27] <humphreybc> okkkkkkk
[14:28] <nisshh> humphreybc: just quick before you go, you mentioned something about a new site design for OMG the other day, whats with that?
[14:41] <nisshh> well, that worked well...
[14:44] <dutchie> hmm
[14:44] <dutchie> how odd
[14:44] <dutchie> guy who sent me an email about translations just started chatting with me on jabber
[14:44] <dutchie> i said "so you want to translate?", he said "how do you know?" so i replied "you sent me an email", then he disconnected
[14:45] <daker> \o/
[14:45] <nisshh> heh, that is strange
[14:59] <dutchie> hmm, i think translation focus should be e2
[15:18] <askhl_> Right, but the translation focus has changed back and forth recently, how about trying not to change it before it's really necessary?  I think also that translators should be advised, possibly *required*, to msgmerge from the e1 po-file.  Otherwise it's too much wasted time
[15:18] <askhl_> as people will gladly start translating e2 even if there are suggestions for e1
[15:23] <dpm> askhl_ <gettingtechnical> a comment on msgmerge: Launchpad should take care of that. You shouldn't need to msgmerge strings manually unless you are trying to reuse obsolete translations (i.e. to use strings which might normally be fuzzy but that LP does not show)</gettingtechnical>
[15:24] <askhl_> dpm, fuzzies are essential in documentation translations such as those in the ubuntu manual.  Particularly since lots of strings have tiny typo fixes, maybe single-character fixes, which will invalidate the entire string if there's no explicit fuzzy-support
[15:25] <dpm> askhl_ yeah, I just wanted to make sure you meant that use case for the need of msgmerge
[15:25] <askhl_> Basically it's much more important for ubuntu-manual than it is for applications
[15:47] <dutchie> godbyk: ping
[20:12]  * jenkins goes to install mavrick
[21:45] <jenkins> well the mavrick installer is not working
[21:47] <Muscovy> I couldn't install until alpha3.
[21:54] <jenkins> I was effected by a bug that effects all usb drives made on lucid and below. then the installer would not work in various ways
[21:57] <Muscovy> I hit that, so I just burned a CD.
[21:58] <Muscovy> I never got beyond booting with the USB drive though.
[22:17] <jenkins> there is a fix for it in the bug, I find a cd is slow