[00:05] Riddell: lex might return during the weekend.. just when im planning to drop off for a week :P http://pastebin.com/niw2AH12 [00:06] shadeslayer: tell him to apply for UDS [00:07] right on [00:08] sent [00:09] * shadeslayer wonders why his 8085 sim wont run [00:16] Riddell: when will we get confirmation of our sponsorships? [00:16] :D [00:17] shadeslayer: they'e /very/ behind this year [00:17] maco: i dont follow [00:17] behind as in? [00:17] uds barcelona...confirmation was 2 months before uds. this uds... we're 2 months out right now and they JUST announced sponsorship opening [00:17] oic [00:18] * shadeslayer hopes it really gets postponed by one weel [00:18] *week [00:18] cant do that with hotel reservations... [00:18] nothing bad.. just that itll make my life much easier :P [00:18] maco: i know... [00:18] but im hoping for the best :P [00:19] ok now i have a headache.... @ 5 AM in the morning [00:19] im going to sleep.. ASM gave me this headache, im sure [00:21] hahaha [00:21] Stop to screw up Kubuntu, go to bed is too late for you!!! :D << from lex [00:21] :P [00:22] so... cya everybody... in another 3-4 hours === nuno_ is now known as slug [03:45] I just bought a new HD to use for backup today [03:46] in advance of global jam this weekend, when I'll upgrade [03:46] any hints on how best to reformat it in kubuntu [03:46] and what backup software to use? [03:47] it's a seagate FreeAgent 1.5T [03:47] which I gather isn't very linux friendly [03:51] off to the library, and then back to googling, I guess === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:16] apachelogger, Riddell, ScottK, can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/623137 http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8529 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/+bug/623142 [06:16] :-) [07:39] I know the translation day was already but I just found this out: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/marble/+bug/623175 [07:39] Launchpad bug 623175 in marble (Ubuntu) "Marble's translation templates are not up-to-date" [Undecided,New] [08:14] hmmmm [08:15] 25th to 29th that even ought to be possible [08:18] hah [08:18] that's right after the gsoc mentor summit [08:19] Nightrose: you could attend then? ^^ [08:19] since you are in the US anyway [08:19] * apachelogger pokes artnay with the invalidstick :P [08:19] apachelogger: i want to be in boston that week tbh to visit jeff but orlando sounds tempting really [08:19] I have no idea where either is [08:19] visiting jeff would be boston [08:19] as long as it is not texas I should be fine supposedly [08:20] but i could possibly do that before the mentor summit [08:20] then mentor summit and then uds [08:20] hmmmmmm [08:20] that would be one insane travel... [08:21] but fun for sure [08:21] i guess so yes [08:21] oh dear, orlando is in florida [08:21] it is - i'd be going east-coast - west-coast - east cost [08:21] -> fun [08:21] :P [08:21] does one get arrested for indecent behaviour in florida? :P [08:22] hehe [08:22] oha! [08:22] * apachelogger needs to get a new passport then [08:22] mine is not valid for travels to the US ^^ [08:23] apachelogger: orlando is where disney is [08:23] are we going to do a day trip to disney then? [08:23] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh [08:23] i'm so going! :D [08:23] we were talking about disney in #ubuntu-devel and slangasek goes "what better epilogue to a free software event than to worship at the altar of perpetual copyright?" [08:24] does one get arrested for indecent behaviour at disney world? [08:24] maco: rofl [08:24] i said i was thinking we go to disney on sunday before uds that way uds can be penancee [08:24] what better epilogue to a free software event by getting sponsored there by a company that sucks free software dry and producing prop software, eh? :P [08:25] * apachelogger better hopes no one reas that or sponsorship is out of question :P [08:25] * Nightrose huggls apachelogger [08:25] ;-) [08:25] \o/ [08:25] * apachelogger rehuggles Nightrose and distributes kisses throughout the chann0l [08:25] wohoooo [08:26] http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/ [08:27] uh [08:27] halloween parteee [08:27] ohhhhmy [08:27] fairy treasures!!!! [08:27] omg!!! [08:27] weeeeh [08:28] :D [08:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/482786/ [08:36] Who ends up being the counterparty for the CC-SA-3.0 license if one signs that? [08:37] *shrug* [08:40] pfff [08:40] neversfelde: ^ can you please drop an opinion on that? :) [08:41] JontheEchidna: https://fedorahosted.org/python-slip/browser/slip/dbus/polkit.py looks more convenient than the aptdaemon thing [08:42] * persia suspects that it's a non-actionable agreement without that information, such that it doesn't matter if one signs or not (as one hasn't released rights to any specific counterparty), although I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't true in some jurisdiction (perhaps with the state as default counterparty or similar) [08:43] persia: it is from the uds sponsorship page [08:43] so supposedly the counterpart is canonical, but that is rather implicit IMHO [08:45] Implicit counterparties are a fuzzy area, and highly jurisdiction-dependent. That said, it would be bad form to sue someone for your UDS appearance, given the number of audio streams, video streams, photographs, etc. [08:51] I do not like "release any and all claims whatsoever" things of any sort [08:53] !find decorator.py [08:53] File decorator.py found in bzr, checkbox, firmware-tools, fso-frameworkd, gnome-orca (and 14 others) [08:55] hm [08:55] apachelogger, Maybe offer an open CC-SA-3.0 license for the representations to the implied counterparty? I'd be surprised if there was an issue (although I may be mistaken) [08:56] well, since you cannot use the sponsorship without agreeing to above pasted release ... :/ [09:29] * apachelogger got polkit in pyth0rn \\o/ === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [10:04] Riddell: ping [10:04] Riddell: good news, Konqueror patch to move the throbber to the toolbar got upstreamed [10:11] agateau: trying to make the dbusmenu stuff work on a distro that isn't kubuntu... is there any daemon or whatever required to make it work with the plasma tray? [10:11] as plasma seems to ignore it completely [10:11] Sput: no daemon needed [10:11] Sput: were kdelibs and kdebase built with dbusmenu-qt support? [10:11] Sput: it has been made optional recently [10:12] well, at least cmake tells me it finds the lib [10:12] no idea how to test if plasma actually uses it [10:12] Sput: in kdelibs and kdebase? [10:12] yeah [10:12] well, it's found and linked against [10:13] but is there any way to test if it's actually in use? [10:13] agateau: yay, well one [10:13] the KSNIs all export MenuBar/org.ayatana.dbusmenu, but clicking on the Get* methods in qdbusviewer gets me an error [10:13] agateau: yay, well done [10:13] Sput: can you pastebin the error? [10:15] Unable to find method GetChildren on path /MenuBar in interface org.ayatana.dbusmenu [10:15] wow [10:15] same for the other Get* methods [10:16] oh [10:16] Sput: in gnome I now get a quassel tray [10:16] apparently the gnome indicator applet blocked it [10:16] and I get a menu [10:16] and it looks gnomz [10:16] gnomy [10:16] actually GetProperty and GetLayout work though [10:16] that's really weird [10:17] but GetChildren and GetGroupProperties and GetChildren are b0rked [10:17] GetGroupProperties was broken but got fixed recently [10:17] apachelogger: so it seems that I did it right? [10:17] ah, Event is broken too [10:17] Sput: how do you call GetChildren()? [10:17] http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/Bildschirmfoto1.png [10:18] agateau: I'm just clicking on the names in qdbusviewer [10:18] Sput: I mean which arguments do you pass? [10:19] agateau: I can't pass any args because qdbusviewer can't find the method... [10:19] Sput: can you try with d-feet? [10:19] (it's a gtk equivalent of qdbusviewer) [10:19] and plasma at least seems to ignore the dbusmenu as it still requests the popup menu here [10:19] can do [10:21] agateau: ah, there I can enter params, which should I use? [10:21] for GetChildren: 0, "" [10:22] Should give you all properties of all first level items [10:22] ok, that seems to work [10:22] so it's just plasma not using it, I guess [10:22] yes [10:22] Riddell: btw, I think we can port software-properties to policykit for 11.04 ... I just got dbus policy foo working in python [10:23] apachelogger: ok, that looks pretty much that I did it correctly and it's working on Ubuntu at least [10:23] including the missing icons :D [10:23] missing icons? [10:23] yeah, the menu entries don't have icons [10:23] ah [10:23] well [10:23] gnome [10:23] ... [10:23] :P [10:23] fixing that would require me rewriting my iconloader [10:23] nah, that's an issue in quassel, but I'm not sure if I care enough to fix it [10:24] Sput: so you wrote your own Qt-only KSNI implementation? [10:24] agateau: yes [10:24] Sput: interesting... [10:24] well, only implementing the features I need for Quassel [10:24] apachelogger: ooh good [10:24] and pretty much based on KDE's implementation [10:25] (ripping out what I don't need, Qtifying the rest) [10:25] apachelogger: although doesn't language-selector-gtk alreay use it? [10:25] Sput: there have been some discussions about getting KSNI integrated into Qt itself [10:25] Sput: may be we can reuse your work there [10:25] agateau: yes, I would pay the guy doing that a beer [10:25] Riddell: policykit? [10:25] * agateau does not drink alcohol :) [10:25] agateau: I'd be very very very glad to be able to throw away my custom implementations of the tray icon and statusnotifier and use QSystemTrayIcon or whatever again [10:25] it's a messy, buggy thing :) [10:25] heh [10:26] since it also includes falling back to the standard tray icon [10:26] and also supports statusnotifier even if Qt has been built without tray icon support [10:26] (which could be useful on phones) [10:26] Sput: yes, I don't like much the way KSNI is implemented, especially the associatedWidget thing [10:26] Sput: why does quassel not remember that ive unchecked the main toolbar in the view menu? [10:26] indeed [10:26] agateau: yeah, that's a feature I don't use... since we always have a menu [10:27] so I could simplify some things [10:27] Sput: actually the associatedWidget thing is for when you don't have a window [10:27] agateau: I'd also buy you a nice bottle of local wine for making QSystemTrayIcon dbussy :) [10:27] or coke! [10:27] :) [10:28] it's one of those things that are really really missing... now that Qt has icon theme support [10:30] btw, how do I get Ubuntu in a virtualbox with display resizing support? I guess I'd need to install the vbox guest additions, but can't seem to find a package [10:30] Sput: virtualbox-ose-guest-utils [10:30] Sput: virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms and virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 [10:30] amichair: that one says "non-X11 guest utils" in the description [10:31] ah... the Ubuntu Software Center confuses me :) [10:31] thx [10:31] that's the one I always used, and it always worked (full integration)... [10:31] maco: it recommends -x11 [10:31] * maco uses apt [10:31] debfx: ahh ok [10:31] yeah, the -dkms seems to be a transitional package [10:32] Sput: doesnt say that anywhere.... [10:32] my ubuntu software center tells me that :) [10:32] interesting [10:32] its not in the package description [10:32] Description: x86 virtualization solution - guest addition module source for dkms [10:33] ah, seems like "Transitional package for virtual-ose-guest-dkms" is something else again [10:33] -dkms says it depends on -utils [10:34] hmmm, it installed -dkms too [10:34] ah well, we'll see if it works [10:34] looks like it. [10:34] Sput: which? [10:34] I installed the x11 thingy [10:34] and that prolly pulled in the other one [10:35] Sput: well as long as it works :-) [10:35] yep [10:36] well, now figure out which packages I need to be able to build quassel... [10:36] ah, the -utils also provide shared folders etc. Or so the description says. [10:36] apt-get build-dep quassel [10:36] ah cool [10:37] I seem to remember something like build-essentials but couldn't find it :) [10:38] agateau: any idea why the plasma tray seems to ignore dbusmenu, or how to enable/check for it? [10:39] Sput: is it using old school tray protocol or KSNI? [10:39] agateau: it uses ksni [10:39] Sput: if you get nice tooltips it's KSNI [10:40] mmm [10:40] well, without the K :) [10:40] heh [10:40] I'm not sure if other apps use dbusmenu either [10:40] I have no idea how to check that [10:41] if an app is using ksni, it is also using dbusmenu [10:41] unless it sets some obscure env var [10:41] or unless plasma is not built with dbusmenu [10:41] does someone know a bit about polkit? [10:42] agateau: yes, and I'm suspecting that it doesn't work as intended here, as at least it doesn't work for quassel (which *does* have a dbusmenu in gnome, it seems, so my implementation should be correct) [10:42] and I can't check other apps [10:42] Sput: why can't you check other apps? [10:42] * apachelogger just wanted to ask the same thing ^^ [10:42] agateau: because I have no idea how... [10:42] I mean, how do I see the difference [10:43] Sput: you can try dbus-monitor [10:43] it's a command line tool [10:43] the dbus equivalent of wireshark [10:43] dbus-monitor interface=org.ayatana.dbusmenu [10:43] Sput: how do you know quassel's dbusmenu does not get used? [10:44] apachelogger: because it has icons :) [10:44] also, because ContextMenu is being called [10:44] Sput: in plasma dbusmneu has icons [10:44] apachelogger: not with my implementation. [10:44] oh [10:44] ic [10:44] that part isn't implemented yet [10:45] hmmm, how's the dbusmenu-qt package called in ubuntu? [10:45] Sput: libdbusmenu-qt2 [10:45] thx [10:45] I should relearn apt :) [10:45] and libdbusmenu-qt-dev [10:46] Sput: apt-cache search foo bar :P [10:47] * apachelogger is wondering how to make polkit not query the password for every action [10:57] apachelogger: what did you have to do to make the tray icon work in gnome? [10:57] gnome confuses me even more than the software center :( [10:58] Sput: remove the indicator applet [10:58] the mail-like icon in the systray area [10:58] ah, yeah, that worked [10:59] ok, dbusmenu works too for quassel [10:59] so I declare my implementation working and bugfree! [10:59] ... now fix plasma :) [11:00] btw, adding support for it was really easy, agateau...only had to instantiate this DBusMenuExporter thingy and add a method to the SNI sbud interface [11:00] so I guess that tells that libdbusmenu-qt is nicely designed [11:00] Sput: thanks :) [11:01] and sbud should have been dbus [11:04] great. shutting down the vbox made my nvidia go all wonky [11:04] now I have nice visual distortions all over the screen [11:04] proprietary drivers -- [11:14] eh [11:14] ehhhh [11:14] shadeslayer: why did rekonq loose my settings?!?!?!? [11:14] man [11:14] this thing is so full of crap... [11:15] http://imgur.com/ZZ1An [11:15] toolbar had text alongside icons [11:15] and what is with those bookmarks there [11:15] is it a toolbar or bookmarks bar? [11:26] I would imagine it's the Main Toolbar followed by the Bookmarks Toolbar [11:26] right click and unlock to check [11:26] aha! [11:26] Riddell: thx [11:27] leaves the question why it is in one row by default [11:27] and why upstream overwrites user settings on upgrade [11:28] the transition from hardcoded toolbars to XML GUI ones hasn't gone smoothly for rekonq [11:28] there are worse problems I'm sure [11:28] oh [11:28] as long as it stays [11:30] Riddell: IMHO the applications-other icon is a bit over/miss used [11:30] it is used by KDE for lost'n'found, by kpk and by software-properties [11:30] probably even more [11:30] :/ [11:31] doesnt ubiquity use an adapted version? [11:35] it's a version with a kubuntu logo on it [11:36] Riddell: I really think we should poke someone to get more diversity [11:41] unfortunately kwwii has just disappeared [12:01] anyone an idea why there is a little windows with an X (the x from xserver) as icon and if I close it, the whole desktop disappears? (only the windows stay and are usable as normal, krunner worsk normally, etc.) [12:05] could be flash [12:52] emonkey, Riddell: bug 614699 is what that is [12:52] Launchpad bug 614699 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Qt 4.7.0 breaks QX11EmbedWidget" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614699 [12:53] oh yes you pointed that one out a wee while ago [12:54] JontheEchidna: please target any bugs you think need it to beta or 10.10 and tag with kubuntu [12:54] * Riddell does so for that bug [12:54] I'll check that mom [12:56] looks like that ... I don't want to use another ppa, so I'll wait until it's fixed in the normal backports ppa. [12:56] Just poke me if I can test something. [13:00] the only annoying thing is that notifications are displayed again and again and again ... [13:02] * apachelogger clearly got too much coffee again :S [13:02] @.@ [13:03] JontheEchidna: do you know of a way to not make polkit request auth for each and every action? [13:03] * apachelogger finds it a bit silly to ask a billion times for authentication when applying the changes ^^ [13:04] apachelogger: I have that when connecting to samba or sftp via dolphin. very annoying. [13:04] that is another story [13:05] well could we fix that too? :D [13:05] jussi: with sftp one uses a key anyway :P [13:05] apachelogger: sometimes [13:05] _always_ [13:05] no, sometimes. [13:05] there is no reason why one would not want to use a keay [13:06] grrr, there is reason. and the function exists, so should we not fix it? [13:06] what is the reason :P [13:06] * apachelogger thinks that kde should very much fix it, since they broke it [13:07] heh [13:10] softwareproperties makes my nose itch -.- [13:11] hm [13:11] Riddell: is there are particular reason it was not derived from a *Dialog class? [13:11] well it's an application not a dialogue [13:13] Riddell: well, if it were not alienating itself by doing on-the-fly-apply it would exhibit need for all standard dialog buttons [13:14] oh that's because it's a port of the gtk one so I copied the whole UI including on-the-fly-apply [13:14] *nod* [13:15] ah hah, JontheEchidna broke kdebase-workspace with his utempter larks in kdelibs [13:15] * apachelogger notes that the backend does not support other paradigms anyway [13:15] toogle functions are evil [13:20] hm [13:20] something is fishy with my dbus service :( [13:31] * jussi sticks another fish down apachelogger's dbus... heheh :D [13:31] * apachelogger pets dbus [13:31] hm [13:31] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [13:39] apachelogger: I guess you'd only use one auth policy for applying changes, and if that passes then apply all changes via the helper [13:40] JontheEchidna: that however is a bit awkward if the sysadmin wants to define more fine grided permissions? :/ [13:41] either the user gets annoyed or the sysadmin :/ [13:43] I am wondering which options would need to be fine-grained from and s-p-k perspective [13:44] *shrug* [13:44] my point exactly. :) [13:45] popcon :P [13:45] one auth for changing popcon, one auth for other things [13:45] ack [13:45] * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna [13:45] :) [13:46] you could even set the popcon one to not need auth by default [13:46] if security is ok with that I guess [13:46] would be nice if popcon was per-user [13:46] for e.g. usage [13:46] even if installation stats are per-system [13:52] * apachelogger agrees [13:52] :O [13:52] software-properties does seriously funky stuff [13:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/482894/ [13:53] O.o [13:53] Riddell: out of the top of your head, would you have a guess what that is necessary for? [13:53] deleteing widgets? [13:55] well, yes, but that is part of init [13:57] apachelogger: known problem, its on my todo :P [13:57] OH! [13:57] * apachelogger fears it is one of those ever growing todos :P [13:57] true :P [13:58] apachelogger: do you have write access to kde FTP servers>? [13:58] no, yes, why? [13:58] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242675 << please test that if you do :) [13:58] KDE bug 242675 in general "Rekonq refuses to save files remotely" [Wishlist,New] [13:59] wait.. that can be any ftp server :/ [13:59] right :P [13:59] You can only select local files [14:00] that save dialog is resticted to the local file flag [14:00] obviously [14:00] i went over the report too quickly :P [14:04] hmm [14:04] no kdebug in pykde :( [14:04] why but why [14:05] WOAH [14:05] hahahaha [14:05] rofl [14:05] sweet [14:06] rekonq is so terrible I might have to call it by its real name and get cencored [14:06] so [14:06] i tried using reqonk on my netbook as my main browser and i hate it [14:06] would rather use konqueror [14:06] erm [14:06] say you are at http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.3-api/kdecore/KAboutData.html [14:06] and want to get to KDebug [14:06] jjesse: why? [14:07] you select the KAboutData and start typing [14:07] like real quick [14:07] refresh takes forever [14:07] hit enter enter right away [14:07] and kabooom [14:07] http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.3-api/kdecore/KDe.html [14:07] some pages don't load correctly for me (facebook (all the time), google reader gives me issues, some of my work pages) [14:07] it seems very slow compared to firefox and chrome [14:08] sometimes on my netbook the page flickers as it tries to load [14:08] jjesse: rekonq version? [14:08] shadeslayer: ^^^^^^ do something about those lost characters [14:08] shadeslayer whatever is in current up to date maverick [14:08] just haven't had time to post to mailing list yet [14:09] * shadeslayer checks if 0.5.80 built [14:09] everything was up to date as of 8pm EST [14:09] on my netbook [14:09] i dont know if having only 1 gb of RAM affects it or not [14:10] hehe LO [14:10] :P [14:11] apachelogger: i still dont understand your bug :( [14:12] i opened the KAboutData api page > searched for KAboutData and it works fine [14:12] not searched [14:12] read again [14:12] manually change the url [14:12] or quickly search for superfloss [14:12] google will come up with superflo [14:12] rekonq constantly looses the last 1 or 2 characters of quickly entered input [14:13] oic [14:13]