[00:00] Thanks, I have an account that I have been using, just never set it up on Kubuntu. I had Ubuntu prior [00:05] James147, well that might explain it [00:05] lahwran: what does? [00:05] it seems on upgrade, kde got completely uninstalled ... except for the splash screen. [00:05] lahwran: on upgrade to what? [00:06] 10.04 from 9.04 through 9.10 [00:06] lahwran: hmm, reinstall kubuntu-desktop then :) [00:07] did that as soon as I found plasma-desktop to be missing; it is installing nearly 40 packages [00:07] ...that's a lot of packages O.O [00:37] Hi guys, just installed my kubuntu at last [00:37] Works good [00:37] Hello to everyone [00:37] how do I set my default browser in kde to chrome? [00:37] lahwran, it asked me automatically when I installed it [00:38] systemsettings ->preferred applications -> web browser [00:39] lahwran: or in chromium > the spanner > option > make chroimum my default browser [00:40] James147, that one says that chromium is already the default browser. [00:41] lahwran: then what maco said :) [00:41] I figured :D [00:42] yay I can set my default file browser to konqueror! [00:42] I hate dolphin [00:42] such a wacked-out interface .. [00:42] lahwran: really? [00:43] yes [00:43] why do you think its "wacked-out"? [00:43] it's got those panes [00:43] lahwran: you can remove them [00:43] that you can't get rid of [00:43] ...news to me, didn't work last I checked [00:43] the x in the corner of the docks... like all qt docks :) [00:44] you can also drag and move them [00:44] lahwran: or tools > panels [00:44] sorry view > panels [00:44] hmm. maybe I should actually open it; haven't opened it since 4.1 [00:45] lahwran: things ahve changed alot since 4.1 :) === codolio is now known as dolio [00:46] . [00:47] lahwran: http://imagebin.org/111064 << thats what mine looks like :) [00:47] where is the top menu? [00:47] lahwran: not there :) i hide it when i dont need it (alt+m) [00:47] ok ... [00:48] which is most of the time [00:48] ... I'm gonna stick with konqueror [00:48] I love alt+m [00:48] with any luck, the power it had in kde3 will return [00:48] wait mine is ctrl+m [00:48] elslunko: that opens a new dolphin window ehre :D [00:49] elslunko: no wait no it doesnt :S [00:49] :O [00:49] and yeah, i ment crtl + m as well :) dont know why i said allt [00:50] btw... you guys know about dolphins tabs? (ctrl+shift+n) [00:53] how do I shut kwin compositing off on the command line from a VT? [00:53] I goofed it up and windows fly all crazy ... [00:56] lahwran: try qdbus org.kde.kwin /KWin toggleCompositing [00:58] what setting would i have to set to be able to move my browser into a different desktop without having to right click? [01:00] look: cannot remember where it is in 4.4.x... but look for the "screen edges" in system settings (try searching for it) [01:01] in 4.5 its at system settings > window behaviour > screen edges [01:01] James147, thanks [01:11] ok it appears that I don't have sound output [01:11] how would I go about troubleshooting this? [01:13] !sound | lahwran [01:13] lahwran: If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [01:16] neither was helpful. the problem is specific to when I'm logged into kde; when logged into gnome no such problem occurs. my suspicion is that something is tying alsa up. [01:35] how would i make pannel spacers invisible? [01:41] look: they should disapear when you close the settings dialog... if they dont they probally will if you logout and back in [01:43] James147, kk thanks [01:45] look: note that if they dont disapear when you close the dialog that a bug... think its fixed in 4.5... === juliana is now known as judaro [01:48] how do I set up so the system bell triggers a full-power kde alert? I want to run a script on system bell [01:58] brb === nuno_ is now known as slug === 15SAAP7AS is now known as superbrad [02:28] * James147 appears to have removed kdm from his netbooks startup :S [02:38] hi,why i can not receive the maillist? [02:39] http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ [02:46] Open Question.... are we happy with the performance of KDE in Ubuntu 10.04 ? Cheers [02:48] poseidon2010: kde 4.5 improves it quite abit :) [02:48] resizing could be smoother though :S [02:49] thanks for your feedback [02:49] poseidon2010: any particular reason? [02:49] it is 4.4 the one that comes out of the box with 10.04 ? [02:49] poseidon2010: 4.4.2 [02:50] poseidon2010: see the topic on how to upgrade to 4.5 [02:51] how do i find files in kde? [02:51] I am running like 5 Virtualmachines here..... and the machine sort of die with the load.... Now I am using Fluxbox.... and Im fine.... with average loads of 2.0... Before I had like 3 ... [02:52] of course I know it is kind of unfair to compare fluxbox with KDE..... [02:52] look: dolphin > ctrl + f for the old style search or use the search bar at the top to use nepomuk indexing [02:52] In general I like KDE.... but for me .... and for my specs... and needs.... is not that light.... [02:53] poseidon2010: yeah, its not designed to be light weight :) [02:53] u recon 4.5 is lighter than 4.4.2 ? [02:54] poseidon2010: not sure... i find it more responsive... disabling nepomuk and desktop effect would help though [02:55] james147, ok..... will try that later..... upgrading and disabling nepomuk and desktop effect..... pitty the effects are cool !! [02:55] look: note that on the ctrl+f dialog you need to spicify wild cards... ie to find foo.txt you need to search for *.txt and NOT .txt [02:56] poseidon2010: yeah, but on any system they will take up quite a few resources (no matter what de you use) [02:56] james147, i know...... cheers [02:56] poseidon2010: although you can always try it with them... kde should try to disable them if the system becomes too slow [02:57] james147, I saw that !!!!! [02:57] james147, They were disabled :P [02:57] (but i tend to find once the system becomes very very slow kde dosent ahve time to do that :) ) [02:58] james147, who ever wins..... the slow machine or the windows manager to react..... sure.... [02:59] poseidon2010: :0 most the time its because chromium had quickly ground my system to a halt :S kde kindly disables the effects after i finally manage to kill it :) [02:59] (ot at least i get the notification after) [03:01] james147, hehehehe not with this desktop but with Sun machines I guess.... I had to ssh to the machine to kill the processes..... the desktop was just dead.... this happned... like 10 years ago.. Man I am old !! [03:26] OK so now that I finally got kubuntu to install (first time) how can I check and make sure all my hardware drivers are detected and installed correctly and not just using generic plug and play drivers? Is there a hardware device manager like in Windows? === lucio is now known as lucitu === lucitu is now known as luci [03:28] NRyan115: mostly the defaults should be fine... linux dosnet really have a concept for "drivers" and the default ones are usually the best ones around (with the exceptioon of nvidia/ati graphics cards [03:28] NRyan115: run "jockey-kde" to see if it can find anything for your system [03:29] Hi James... I finally got it! [03:29] just now [03:29] NRyan115: but if everything is working fine then you should have the right rivers [03:29] from 2pm yesterday [03:29] my kubuntu does not have a 'shutdown' option [03:29] NR :) [03:29] well I do have nvidia graphic card [03:29] look: are you running from kdm or from "startx/startkde"? [03:30] kdm [03:30] NRyan115: ^^ kubuntu uses the opensource nvidia drivers by default... they are actually becomming quite good :) although lack in some areas like 3d... [03:30] James147, are the drivers better in 10.04 for nvidia cards? [03:31] look: if they work then yes :) but I have seen a few laptops refuse to wokr with them [03:31] doesnt nvidia let you download the latest drivers from their site? [03:31] NRyan115: i wouldnt [03:31] why not? [03:31] NRyan115: useing jockey-kde is less likly to break something [03:32] i'm not entirely comfortable with using a command that i m not familiar with that also doesnt have a manual page :( [03:32] NRyan115: have had the nvidia drivers fail to install properly from their site.. jocky-kde has never failed me [03:32] NRyan115: jockey-kde is a gui app (its called "hardware drivers" in the menu) [03:33] I did not see that in the menu [03:33] James147, i heard that on kubuntu 10.04 that the drivers don't work for Nvidia cards 7 and up [03:33] which is hwy i cam ehere to ask my original question [03:33] look: i have a 7300 and i know for others it works... i think its spicific cards [03:33] I have an 8600 gts [03:33] 8800 gts [03:33] I have a 9800Gtx [03:33] * [03:34] NRyan115: alt+F2: jockey-kde or look for hardware drivers in the menu :) [03:34] hmm i think ill reinstall my kubuntu it seems a bit...broken... [03:34] look: how so? [03:35] oh ok i found it in the menu... some things are not where I would expect them to be [03:35] James147, there is no shutdown option, it wont save my sound settings and it opens 3 cairo-docks when i start up when i nly told it to open one [03:36] James147, im new to kde, so i might have done somthing wrong, ive used Gnome and Xfce and even the new Lubuntu [03:36] NRyan115: (just so you know... if the drivers do fail for what ever reason you will get thrown to a command line prompt.... you can login in and run this to get back to the open source drivers: "sudo rm /etc/X11/xrog.conf && sudo restart kdm" [03:36] how can I mount a few different drives without losing the mounts when I reinstall? [03:36] thank you let me writethat down [03:36] NRyan115: heh, i tend to find things better orginised then in windows :) and allot less sub sub sub menus [03:37] NRyan115: um... if you reinstall then how are you ment to keep the mounts? [03:37] NRyan115: (i assume you mean reinstall kubuntu) [03:37] thats fine but I could expect to find hardware drivers under "computer" not applications [03:38] and also I compppletely meant restart - but I was reading half of looks post lol [03:38] NRyan115: it should by Kmenu > app > system > hardware drivers [03:39] i said i found it [03:39] NRyan115: you can add enterys to /etc/fstab to have them auto mount at boot (or define a mount point and let users mount them) [03:39] yikes, i type bad when I am in here... i meant I would expect not could expect sorry [03:39] jockey-kde is an app [03:40] NRyan115: :D you should see my typing sometimes :D [03:40] so everytime i restart i lose my mounts [03:40] ah, that's what /etc/fstab is for [03:40] lahwran: yup :) [03:40] if mounted manually yes [03:41] explain please I have had a linux computer for exactly 1 hour now [03:41] NRyan115: /etc/fstab is a config file that linux looks in for where to mount drives on boot (and in general) [03:41] oh so i can use a text editor like vi to add the mount command and it will run thoise commands on startup? [03:42] NRyan115, haha nice "for 1 hour now" [03:42] very succinct way to put it :D [03:42] thanks m8 [03:42] :) [03:42] `,: ) [03:42] NRyan115: if you edit it (with: kdesudo kate) you can add entries to discribe your drives... the general format is "device mount_point filesystemtype options 0 0" (the numbers are something to do with something [03:43] wow that helps [03:43] NRyan115: also unless you already know how to use vi i suggest agenst it :) [03:43] i have never heard of kdedudo kate [03:44] NRyan115: kdesudo is to run applications as root (gui apps that is) kate is the default text editor (has a fakevimm mode :D ) [03:44] well I have used linux for programming in college so i used ot know like... a little bit but have forgotten it all now === kris_ is now known as kkerwin [03:44] NRyan115: then i suggest you use kate for now and practus with vim on a non system file [03:44] so i guess james wants me to stao trolling youtube with lynks ? lol [03:45] stop* [03:45] * NRyan115 made an attempt at a joke [03:45] ^^ [03:45] a noob who knows vi is a pro [03:45] Is there any chance that the driver for the kubuntu install will not work with my Nvidia card? [03:45] luci: yup... but dont want to ruin system files in relearning how to use it [03:46] true, i havent used it in 2 years [03:46] look: there is always a change :) [03:46] chance ^^ [03:46] look: you can revert back to the open source ones be renaming or deleting /etc/X11/xorg.conf [03:46] James147, ugh, the regular ubuntu 10.04 install cd graphics driver does not work with my Nvidia card [03:47] look: kubuntu and ubuntu use the same drivers.... [03:47] look: the gendric nv driver will always work [03:47] luci, you so sure? never worked for me at all on this system for some GD reason... [03:47] so would this be about right (I havent looked yet but just wondering) device = path to device mount point = locatoin like ~/Test file-system = ext4 / ntfs options 0 0 ? [03:47] luci: kubuntu 10.04 dosnt use nv anymore (dont know if they still ahve it) it uses... nuv... something [03:47] generic* [03:48] James147, and i know you can revert like so sudo rm /etc/X11/xrog.conf && sudo restart kdm [03:48] look: yeah, that will take you back to the default drivers [03:49] luci: kubuntu 10.04 uses teh Nouveau now [03:49] lets hope the default even works. the ubuntu team is sitting in their office(cubicle?) laughing at us right now saying "we will support your hardware so awesomely that the drivers are to awesome and wont work." [03:50] James147: look that's why it won't work..the nv works better imo [03:50] well ill give it a good go [03:50] luci: either way its the default driver now [03:51] look: if it won't work, try purge the nouveau driver [03:51] luci, ok explain to me how to purge, is it like an rm command? [03:51] look: or use nividia-current [03:52] * look has now been lost [03:52] NRyan115: basically... options should be "default" if you dont want to spicify any it should look like: "/dev/sda1 /media/disk ext4 default 0 0" assuming the device is /dev/sda1 you want it at /media/disk and the filesystem is ext4 [03:53] yeah ok [03:53] so the 0 0 is fine at 0 and 0 [03:53] ? [03:54] NRyan115: yeah... not entirly sure that they do exactly... but 0 0 is fine [03:54] ok thanks [03:54] I have so much to do - customizing and etc [03:55] NRyan115: at least its easier to do on linux :) [03:55] what is the best and easiest way to find new apps? I mean, i know i can apt-get just about anything but only if you know the name, how do you browse? [03:55] NRyan115: (note that the mount point you spicify needs to exist before you try to mount) [03:56] they already do [03:56] NRyan115: kpackagekit is a nice gui app to install stuff... it will let you browes catagories of apps [03:56] i already opened it but it was blank [03:56] others prefure the gnome one synaptic [03:57] it just had a search bar at the top [03:57] NRyan115: yeah... you either search for an app name or select one of the catagories from the drop down menu [03:58] i didnt see any drop down menu but thanks i will look in more detail. There is so much to do I dont know where to start lol [03:58] (or my prefured way to use aptitude from command line :D ) [03:58] oh yeah i meant to ask what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude? [03:58] NRyan115, start by installing system32 lol XD j/k im make joke [03:59] hi [03:59] NRyan115: just two different programs to do the same thing :) aptitude use to handle uninstalling applications better (it removed dependencies that wernt needed any more) but apt-get is jsut as good now... aptitude also has a command line interactive mode [04:01] is there anyone here that works for a big company in computer science? [04:01] marcosroriz: not sure how thats a kubuntu support question.... [04:03] marcosroriz, try #anyone_that_works_for_a_big_company_in_computer_science lol [04:03] marcosroriz, im joking don't take it personaly btw [04:03] :~ [04:04] is because I'm with some personal questions [04:04] and I wanted that someone who works at some companies could give me a hand [04:04] is life stuff :/ [04:04] marcosroriz, well this is a kubuntu support channel you could try #programming or ##windows <-- might be some in there but thats all i can think of.... [04:04] this is probally not the best channel to ask on... but then i wouldnt know which one is [04:05] :3 [04:05] I'm kinda lost too [04:05] I think I should go to a psycolhogist or something like it [04:05] lost? [04:06] on this stuff [04:07] so what is the kwallet? [04:07] it made me type a password when I open default music player [04:08] why does music player need access to my personal info from kwallet? [04:08] and what is it for [04:08] sorry for being such a noob [04:08] NRyan115: kwallet stores passwords for various kde programs... [04:09] oh its a password manager? [04:09] why do i need a password to play music? [04:09] ok the drivers on the disc do not work for my nvidia card, so i did nomodeset and i booted now what will i have to do to keep it booting just fine and i don't have to keep putting in nomodeset... [04:09] NRyan115: amarok has features to loginto sites to get music (last.fm for one) and needs to store their passwords in kwallet... you can disable them if you want [04:09] look: try installing nvidia-current [04:10] James147, sudo apt-get install nvidia-current [04:10] look: yea... dont needs to tab... after that :) [04:11] look: after its installed run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" [04:11] James147, oh i see kk tanx will try if that does not work im kinda fudged [04:11] look: the nvidia drivers should work better then the Nouveau ones [04:12] and now its stuck...i didn't install anything its still booting but its not reading from disc and its stuck AAAAUUUUGHH!!!! [04:12] ok now im pissed time to force xvesa [04:13] so by default kubuntu has no games is that right? I do not see an applications > games menu [04:13] NRyan115, linux is not so good with games.... [04:13] NRyan115: i have one :) [04:14] no the simple ones like solitair and breakout [04:14] mostly has steam in it.... but you can install kdegames by installing "kdegames" [04:14] kde has quite a few simple ones like that :) [04:15] k thanks - just wondering [04:15] can i upgrade my install of kubuntu 9.10 to have KDE 4.5? [04:15] NRyan115: http://games.kde.org/ if you only want to install certin ones you can find them here [04:16] look: you will need to compile from source to do so... kubuntu dont offer ppas to do that (not sure if anyone else does) [04:16] hmmm [04:17] cant have too many lol [04:17] NRyan115: you can install each of the kdegames individually if you want [04:17] ok so there isnt just firefox to install.... only an installer to install so i can install firefox - thats messed up [04:17] ok nomodeset xforcevesa -- after quiet splash worked and its booted and installing YAY! [04:18] NRyan115: "sudo aptitude install firefox" should install it [04:19] NRyan115: or there should be an app in your menu that will install it for you (due to allot of people wanting to install it... i prefure chromium ) [04:19] ok the thing is - from here by myself i have no idea that "firefox" is the name of the package I want to find a way to answer my own questions and help myself - which should be kpackagekit except it only lists "firefox installer to install firefox using a gui" [04:19] i dont want to install an installer just firefox [04:20] NRyan115, sudo apt-get install firefox will just install firefox [04:20] and yes i understand i can just apt-get firefox this time but i dont want to come here asking for the installer name for every piece of software i wat to install you know? [04:21] doesnt that make sense? [04:21] NRyan115, if you know the first part of the name of software at the end of "sudo apt-get install firef 'tab tab'" that will get you a list of packages with firef in them [04:21] NRyan115: most applicaitons packages are named after the application... i tend to aptitude search to get a list of possible packages [04:21] see 2 ways of doing both work [04:22] yes but if i do a search in kpackagekit shouldnt it provide me with the exact same list of packages? [04:22] NRyan115: also... kpakcagekit tends to search the package name... whihc i know is a bit stupid and makes it harder to find what you want if you dont know what you want :) [04:23] i think in maverick there are plans for an app center type thing intergrated into kpakcagekit.... that might help improve things [04:23] i did a search for firefox and got like 40 packages, most of them plugins or addons, and one one that says it will install an installer to install firefox [04:23] ok KDE is installing just fine, now after its done lets see if i can boot it... [04:23] NRyan115: i did and also got "firefox" [04:23] in kpackagekit? [04:23] yeah [04:24] as well as lots of other packages [04:24] well i just double checked after you said that and I did not [04:24] it was enar the bottem... dont know why kpakcage kit dosent list things in order... aptitude search puts it at the top of the list :( [04:24] the shortest title is "Firefox debug symbols" [04:25] NRyan115: have you updated the package list? (on teh software updates tab or by sudo aptitude update) [04:25] NRyan115, your being a bit picky... open konsole and type sudo apt-get update plz [04:25] i already ran sudo apt-get upgrade and it took a long time [04:26] NRyan115, sudo apt-get UPDATE [04:26] it sounded better than upgrade [04:26] update* [04:26] upgrade says it does update plus more [04:26] NRyan115: o and i am not looking at the title... i was looking at the package name under neeth firefox is listed as "safe and east web browser from mozilla" [04:26] well its just my humble oppinion but thats friggen stupid [04:26] lol [04:26] ok i see it [04:26] * look face palms [04:27] NRyan115: sudo aptitude update will update the package litst (get a lsit of software and versions) sudo aptitude upgrade will upgrade you to the lastest version of stuff... you should do and update before installing or upgrading [04:27] The title of it in the list starts with "Safe and easy" that is highly unexpected when looking for "Firefox" or "Mozilla Firefox" [04:28] NRyan115: i know it dosnt make sence... but kde is improving over times... i think kpakcagekit is still one of the areas that could do wiht improvment [04:28] especially when looking in a list of 40 items [04:28] you guys need me... i will tell you about what needs improvement heh [04:29] we need more people to actual write the code :) [04:29] there are thousands of people doing that everyday [04:29] aww [04:29] James147, i code Python and C++ i might be of some use [04:29] when did they take the slap command out of irc? [04:29] NRyan115: i am looking forward to the app store thing thats ment to be in maverick or later... :) that should improve kpakcage kit [04:29] NRyan115, when the /me command was put in [04:30] * James147 slaps NRyan115 [04:30] * look slapps NRyan115 [04:30] lol [04:30] XD [04:30] that isnt true, you used to have both [04:30] * NRyan115 slaps look in the face with a large trout [04:30] look i'm old school [04:31] * look slaps NRyan115 with his giant bandwidth of power FEAR CAT 6 E!!!!!! [04:31] i haven't used mirc in like a decade [04:31] it makes me want to visit bash.org again [04:31] NRyan115, use Xchat much better [04:31] NRyan115, bash.org sux now [04:31] well im usin quassel right now or whatever [04:31] look: if you wish to help see:http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute [04:31] NRyan115, the mods stopped posting quotes :( [04:31] it does? :( [04:32] i like to program microchips in assembly [04:32] haha noone likes me [04:32] i just install kubuntu under regular ubuntu 10.04 [04:32] it is very nice [04:33] NRyan115: look: should probally try to keep it on topic or head to #kubuntu-offtopic :D [04:33] James147, my bad it happens sometimes [04:34] look: its alright :) [04:34] ok now its time to test the install to see if it works [04:35] look: good luck [04:35] James147, sudo apt-get install Nvidia-current? [04:35] nvidia..... [04:36] OH YEA!!!! power to the loonix!! [04:37] so im trying to install firefox and it is stuck on "waiting for authentication" [04:37] (gui) [04:37] nevermind i see it [04:37] NRyan115: :D [04:38] James147, do i have to exit KDM before i install this or am i just fine with installing it with it running? [04:38] yeah, the box hides its self soemtimes... think its the focus stealing policy... you can force kwin to keep that dialog ontop when it appreas though [04:38] look: i think you can install while running... need to restart x to see its effects though (run sudo nvidia-xconfig first though) [04:39] sudo nvidia-xconfig after i install the new driver correct? [04:39] yeah [04:39] tanx again man saved my hide [04:39] now its time for a victory mountain dew [04:39] it will create an xorg.conf to tell x to use the nvidia driver [04:40] what is the command for becomming a pro when your a noob - is it "rm -rf /" ? [04:40] NRyan115, thats is very crewl of you [04:40] NRyan115: i wouldnt do that or mention it here.... some people like to copy commands and try them out [04:40] ok i'm sorry [04:41] i wasnt trying to mislead anyone else just make fun of myself [04:41] 0.0 [04:41] NRyan115: thats fine... jsut be careful around dangroud commands like that... there are other people watching that dont know what they do :) [04:42] thank you again for the help I think I am going to disconnect and go to bed soon after some more config. I will see you guys later. James are you here often? [04:42] was that one right anyways? [04:42] erase everything [04:42] NRyan115: mostly... but it wont work as a user [04:42] now its time for a restart wish me luck [04:42] right [04:43] NRyan115: might need --no-preserve-root [04:43] but seriousely, if i want to play arround with RM -r to remember hwo it works.. recursively words down the directory tree but not up right? [04:43] (as rm trys to protect agenst stupid people) [04:43] YYYYYESSS!!! [04:43] like if i am in a test folder with many sub folders i can rm -r and be fine right? [04:43] awesome [04:44] NRyan115: -r will recurse into sub folders... it wont topuch parent directories [04:45] ok now if I have other users on the computer and they put a file called ".." in the test folder what then? [04:45] and other exceptions [04:45] NRyan115: (although if you ahve ../ that means teh parent directory [04:45] NRyan115: not sure you can create a file called .. it should already exist and is a spical link to the parent [04:45] is there a way to call rm recursively in a way that will not get fooled by bad file names like that? like, a safe way [04:46] ok what about a file names "~/" [04:46] or "/" [04:46] I know you cant have those in windows but you can here right? [04:46] James147, how do i change my theme in 4.5 [04:46] NRyan115: mkdir .. > mkdir: cannot create directory `..': File exists [04:47] NRyan115: you cannot name a file / :) at least not easaly [04:47] look: which theme? [04:47] James147, just how do i change themes? im on the default theme but i have no idea how to change it... [04:48] look: again which theme... there are many places depending on what you want [04:48] whats the generic place most people go to? [04:48] is there a setting manager? [04:48] system settings [04:48] well none the less i feel this is a valid administration question. Lets say I - i dont know, fire someone from my company and want to recursively delete their private folder which contains thousands of files. How can I protect myself while deleting that? [04:49] James147, ok im at system settings [04:49] application appearence will change how the apps look, workspace appearence will change plamsa [04:49] what is plasma? [04:49] James147, found it tanx [04:49] NRyan115: its the dasktop basically [04:50] NRyan115: it handels teh background widgets and panels [04:50] thanks [04:50] how about my harder question [04:50] also dont feel obligated to answer all my questions :p just tell me to google it [04:51] NRyan115: it gives me something to do :) ... although i should be sleeping [04:54] James147, how do i get transparent pannels in KDE 4.5? [04:54] look: enable transparancy (desktop effects i think) and pick a theme with a transparent pannel [04:57] how can I install software not in the repositories.... for example I like Opera web browser [04:57] NRyan115: that depends on the software and how teh developers have packaged it [04:58]