[00:01] <bcurtiswx> Ok, quick poll.  best IRC client?
[00:01] <bcurtiswx> im debating, empathy, irssi, xchat
[00:03] <BUGabundo> pidgin
[00:03]  * BUGabundo runs
[00:03] <rooks> xchat-gnome is what i use, it has notifications, and it does look decent
[00:03] <BUGabundo> no weechat ?
[00:03] <yofel> erm, empathy is actually considered as an irc client? (my votes: CLI: irssi GTK: xchat QT4: quassel)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> mIRC
[00:04]  * BUGabundo runs faster
[00:04] <yofel> rofl
[00:04] <bcurtiswx> yofel: lol.  yeah I promote empathy.. but I really haven't found a fav
[00:04]  * rooks slaps BUGabundo around with a large trout
[00:04]  * bcurtiswx is using irssi atm
[00:04]  * yofel throws a bunch of XWindows after BUGabundo and hides
[00:04]  * bcurtiswx shoves BUGabundo into the next network
[00:05] <BUGabundo> webchat.freenode.net (no ssl) using IE6
[00:05] <BUGabundo> /me runs faster then Tyson Gay 
[00:05] <bcurtiswx> can xchat be minimized to the indicator-applet and not hog window chooser space?
[00:06] <shadeslayer> bcurtiswx: quassel :P
[00:06] <rooks> bcurtiswx, it can show icon in tray when somone messages you, and also it can issue a that handy notification that shows in same are where wlan-connected is showed
[00:06] <shadeslayer> you can run a instance of quassel core on your server and leave it online as long as the server is online
[00:07] <rooks> bcurtiswx, xchat-gnome at least comes with default plugins that can do that
[00:07]  * bcurtiswx will try that out
[00:09] <bcurtiswx> brb
[00:11] <rooks> can somone message me? so i can do screenshot on how it works?
[00:12] <BUGabundo> rooks: ping
[00:12] <BUGabundo> rooks: ping
[00:12] <BUGabundo> rooks: ping
[00:13] <rooks> http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgH/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgI/
[00:14] <BUGabundo> I won't even dare ask how SLOW you PC is
[00:14] <BUGabundo> with that theme , thanks to the GTK bug
[00:14] <rooks> ?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> care to run gtrpref ?
[00:14] <BUGabundo> *gtk
[00:15] <rooks> it works fast, its on msi wind u100+
[00:15] <rooks> in a sec
[00:17] <rooks> BUGabundo,  http://pastebin.ca/1923776
[00:17] <BUGabundo> Total time: 34.58
[00:17] <BUGabundo> on a dust / dark human mix
[00:18] <rooks> 43.sth
[00:18] <BUGabundo> I can make it go as low as 16 sec
[00:18] <rooks> i dont care :)
[00:18] <BUGabundo> in clearlooks
[00:18] <BUGabundo> its SLOW
[00:18] <BUGabundo> believe me
[00:18] <rooks> cozy > fast
[00:18] <BUGabundo> anything above 20/30
[00:19] <rooks> i like it that way, i ran archlinux with openbox for last few years, and i now want cozy :)
[00:19] <rooks> and withas little tweeks to the system as possible
[00:19] <rooks> i run it with compiz on my netbook
[00:19] <rooks> btw
[00:21] <bcurtiswx> hmm xchat-gnome-indicator just spawns xchat windows :(
[00:21] <rooks> bcurtiswx,  http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgH/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgI/
[00:23] <rooks> bcurtiswx, there are 2 plugins, one spawns taskbar, other spawns that indicataor boubble
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> rooks, yes i have them both
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> brb
[00:25] <rooks> BUGabundo, at present i try to get high statistics at not touching my system and keeping all stuff as COTS as possible :)
[00:32] <rooks> bcurtiswx,  at present i try to get high statistics at not touching my system and keeping all stuff as COTS as possible, that what led me to chosing xchat-gnome to have something gui-simple to use, it might not work for you if you want some more customizations or other thingies out of it
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> xchat-gnome-indicator needs work.. it just spawns xchat gnome sessions'
[00:32] <bcurtiswx> rooks: OK thx
[01:02] <tjlytle> Installed the netbook alpha 3 last night on a Dell mini. Installation seemed to run fine, but now I just get a blinking '_' on boot. If I hit the right shift, I just get 'GRUB loading' with the blinking '_' on the next line. Didn't see anything about that online, known issue?
[01:11] <Dink> tjlytle: do you get a terminal ? ctrl-alt-f2 or what not
[01:12] <tjlytle> dink: Was trying last night - I think I tried that. I'll check real quick.
[01:13] <tjlytle> Yeah, no terminal. Can't even seem to get to the grub menu (just hangs with 'GRUB Loading').
[01:14] <Dink> can't even get into grub menu ?
[01:15] <Dink> Try reinstalling grub using livecd
[01:16] <tjlytle> I hit shift on boot and just get a 'GRUB loading' then the blinking '_'.
[01:16] <tjlytle> That's what I'm about to try - just was wondering if this was a known issue or just something weird.
[01:17] <Dink> I actually had that on my acer netbook but I think it was with alpha2
[01:17] <tjlytle> Of course, while the ship with Ubuntu, these Dells don't seem to get along well with newer versions.
[01:18] <Dink> Not sure about mini but dells always have hidden partitions. Wonder if grub didn't get installed properly
[01:18] <Dink> but yea try to manual install it
[01:19] <tjlytle> Hmm...good point. I know I wiped the whole disk on my other Mini, but this was an install on a 'stock' system.
[01:19] <tjlytle> Still just did a 'use the whole disk' in install though.
[01:41] <jamesw> hi
[01:41] <jamesw> i get a bunch of 'ignoring file' statements on my apt-get installs, can someone please help? http://pastebin.com/5MNJuh6q
[04:29] <DanaG> argh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/612432
[09:51] <Viglite> Thank you.
[10:35] <htorque> wow, i just deleted a 300mb .xsession-errors file full of nautilus warnings oO
[11:31] <Machtin> uhm.. any hint why i get freezes so frequently? like system freezes, mouse still works, but nothing else.
[11:31] <Machtin> (except it being alpha)
[15:12] <dp> after a recent upgrade, lots of things are moving at 3x speed; youtube videos, pianobar playing, etc; any ideas?
[15:48] <kklimonda> hey, is anyone else having problem with X using a lot of cpu? I'm using nvidia closed drivers
[15:50] <Volkodav> yes - my xorg is averaging 35 % CPU
[16:27] <lauser> When I try to install the Ubuntu Maverick daily alternate, I can't get the alternate CD to boot. It says "Unknown key word in config file" before even getting to the menu.
[16:29] <lauser> The desktop CD boots, but I already tried installing from it. Ubuiqity trashed my hard drive, so I'm going to stick with alternate CDs for a little while.
[16:29] <lauser> Any ideas?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Could be a problem with today's image. I have not gotten it to sync yet today, my connection is bad
[16:31] <lauser> charlie-tca: It's been doing this for about two weeks now.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> I have been able to install images here
[16:34] <lauser> charlie-tca: Must be something with my hardware. Wonder what, though...
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Try a hard drive check, maybe
[16:35] <charlie-tca> are the cd's passing the integrity checks?
[16:35] <lauser> charlie-tca: It's not getting far enough for me to run an integrity check.
[16:36] <lauser> (Also, the images are oversized, so I'm running them on a thumb drive)
[16:36] <lauser> charlie-tca: Oddly, it works in VirtualBox.
[16:37] <lauser> Maybe it's a problem with my thumb drive, I'll try a different one.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> hmm, wonder if they are losing something coming off the thumb drive then?
[16:41] <lauser> charlie-tca: I'm running md5sum now, I'll find out.
[16:44] <lauser> charlie-tca: Output of md5sum -c md5sum.txt | grep "FAILED": http://pastebin.com/R5enQXBM
[16:44] <lauser> charlie-tca: Looks like three files are missing.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> that could be the issue, then
[16:47] <lauser> charlie-tca: Hm, don't think so. Those files are symbolic links, and they look like they're only for netboots.
[16:47] <lauser> (That also explains why they weren't on the thumb drive; it's a FAT filesystem, which of course doesn't support symbolic links)
[16:50] <lauser> charlie-tca: I'm leaving to try again.
[17:35] <Machtin> How could I check why my system keeps freezing?
[17:36] <mikebeecham>  hi guys...does anyone know when the Ubuntu Sans font will be released?
[17:59] <kklimonda> mikebeecham: when it's ready - you can download the current beta version if you have an LP account and are a member of kubuntu-users group
[18:08] <kklimonda> bah, lets see If I can get smaller Xorg usage from open drivers - even switching virtual desktops is painful :/
[18:13] <Ian_corne> kklimonda: which driver are you using atm?
[18:14] <Ian_corne> Is the nvidia driver working yet?
[18:15] <kklimonda> Ian_corne: 255.44 works
[18:15] <kklimonda> you have to add IgnoreABI to xorg.conf
[18:15] <kklimonda> 256.44&
[18:15] <Ian_corne> ok
[18:57] <skydrome> anyone know why this happens? using fileroller to extract an archive, the progress bar is always in the middle
[19:31] <mikebeecham> kklimonda, thanks mate...I guess by my question "whats an LP account?" would mean I'm not supposed to have the beta :D
[19:31] <Pici> launchpad.
[19:32] <mikebeecham> ahhh ok
[19:32] <mikebeecham> I've started doing some Ubuntu wallpaper packs, and I'm using png logos at the moment...which doesn't help!  There is a font out there which I nabbed, but dont think it's the sans...I think it's a "made to look like it"
[20:15] <dp> after a recent upgrade, lots of things are moving at 3x speed; youtube videos, pianobar playing, etc; any ideas?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> ssd is here
[20:24] <BUGabundo> preping pendrive with daily cd image
[20:24] <BUGabundo> any last advice ?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> I'll try both ext4 and btrfs
[20:24] <BUGabundo> AFAIK I need /boot to be on non-btrfs right?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> $ sudo usb-creator-gtk -i maverick-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:38] <yofel_> BUGabundo: right, for btrfs on / you need ext /boot for now, and if you use ext4 on a SSD you might want to add the 'discard' mount option as TRIM is disabled by defaul on ext4 AFAIK
[20:39] <BUGabundo> will try btrfs 1st
[20:39] <BUGabundo> how do I enable trim?
[20:40] <BUGabundo> brb rebooting to test pendrive with Maverick, and if ok, replacing disk
[20:40] <Volkodav> just put ssd option in fstab
[20:40] <BUGabundo> okat
[20:41] <Volkodav> if it doen not detect it at install
[20:41] <BUGabundo> you guys will tell me all about it
[20:41] <BUGabundo> when I return on a fresh isntall
[21:40] <CarlFK> why does System, Prefs, Power Management only have 2 tabs: "On AC Power" and "General" ?  (no battery power tab or settings)
[21:48] <mfraz74> is the package ubuntu-netbook still installable in ubuntu 10.10?
[21:53] <yofel> !info ubuntu-netbook maverick | mfraz74
[21:54] <mfraz74> yofel: so i could install that instead of unity?
[21:54] <yofel> that I don't know
[21:56] <mfraz74> ok
[21:56] <ripps> ubuntu-netbook depends on unity
[21:56] <mfraz74> oh :(
[22:10] <DrHalan> where do i find packages for evolution 2.31/2.32?
[22:28] <charlie-tca> DrHalan: maybe in a ppa? the latest version in Maverick is 2.30.2, so anything later will either be at the developers or in a PPA
[22:28] <DrHalan> charlie-tca: yeah already searched launchpad but didn't find anyhting
[22:29] <charlie-tca> here is the ftp for it from gnome - http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/evolution/2.31/
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Looks like it is packaged for Debian Sid too
[22:31] <charlie-tca> hmm, nope
[22:32] <yofel> !info evolution unstable
[22:32] <yofel> nope, 2.30.3
[22:33] <charlie-tca> You would have to compile it yourself - http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/download.shtml
[22:47] <yofel> hm, kernel -18 gives me some error about being unable to initalize i915 right and that it disabled graphics turbo mode. Erm, I have an nvidia card...
[22:48] <yofel> anyone else got something like that?
[22:48] <yofel> it does start fine after that though
[22:55] <smallfoot-> why does Ubuntu "Maverick" 10.10 install Java, but Ubuntu 10.04 don't have Java installed by default?
[22:56] <yofel> depends on what is pulling java in, java doesn't explicitely belong to the default installtion in maverick either
[22:57] <smallfoot-> but java is in maverick dfeault install
[22:57] <smallfoot-> why?
[23:00] <yofel> well, because a package that *is* in the default install depends on it, I don't know more either without digging into the package dependencies
[23:06] <smallfoot-> oh
[23:08] <smallfoot-> when will ubuntu have python3?
[23:09] <yofel> not for a while I think, the python 2.7 rebuilds didn't go well, so we'll still have 2.6 as default in maverick
[23:09] <bjsnider> yofel, i'd say the i915 thing is just the kernel being too verbose
[23:10] <yofel> bjsnider: I agree, was just irritated as -16 doesn't give me that
[23:12] <bjsnider> well, every time i boot lucid it says "failed to open /dev/null" which is very annoying
[23:12] <yofel> o.O
[23:13] <bjsnider> i wonder if those two issues might be related to nvidia not having kms
[23:13] <smallfoot-> is this java thing in maverick the fault of openoffice?
[23:24] <smallfoot-> is this java thing in maverick the fault of openoffice?
[23:25] <smallfoot-> i think is fault of openoffice.org-java-common
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I SURVIVED!!!!!
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ssd running fine
[23:30] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: you mad
[23:30] <charlie-tca> e it
[23:30] <BUGabundo> I am, sir
[23:31] <BUGabundo> now need to migrate all stuff
[23:31] <BUGabundo> already reinstalled most of the app
[23:31] <charlie-tca> grandson helping type
[23:31] <BUGabundo> gotta love dselect
[23:31] <charlie-tca> he's only 18 months
[23:31] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:31] <BUGabundo> hi charlie granson
[23:32] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:32] <BUGabundo> how the H do I boot from the old disk, now that it is outside in USB?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> it stall at grub
[23:32] <charlie-tca> Re-install grub
[23:33] <charlie-tca> or run sudo update-grub
[23:33] <BUGabundo> so, chroot and update it ?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> won't it mess primary system?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> hmm, I don't chroot
[23:33] <BUGabundo> you don't ?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> but its another system
[23:33] <charlie-tca> sure! I am positive it will mess with primary system...
[23:33] <BUGabundo> another disk, not even running the OS
[23:33] <BUGabundo> that's what I DON'T wanna do
[23:33] <BUGabundo> so chroot is the way
[23:34] <charlie-tca> I don't anything about chroot. I am just a simple user
[23:34] <BUGabundo> but it won't know its running over usb
[23:34] <BUGabundo> yeah right
[23:34] <BUGabundo> you and your 18 month kid
[23:34] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:34] <charlie-tca> both of us are simple users
[23:35] <BUGabundo> Volkodav: before I left you were saying something about fstab?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> funny enough not seeing any slow down in aptitude
[23:37] <BUGabundo> as mention in the btrfs bug
[23:40] <charlie-tca> Maybe not everyone sees it?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> !controls
[23:41] <BUGabundo> that's better :DDDDD
[23:41] <BUGabundo> MAUAU
[23:41] <BUGabundo> my last boot was of 23 secs
[23:41] <BUGabundo> the second boot in SSD after install was 13 sec
[23:43] <smallfoot-> i think is fault of openoffice.org-java-common?
[23:43] <smallfoot-> WHY MAVerick needs java?
[23:43] <smallfoot-> maverick installs java by default
[23:43] <smallfoot-> why??
[23:43] <smallfoot-> lucid didnt do this
[23:43] <smallfoot-> this is fault of openoffice?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> 238MB/s
[23:45] <BUGabundo> $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[23:45] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda:
[23:45] <BUGabundo>  Timing cached reads:   2958 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1479.15 MB/sec
[23:45] <BUGabundo>  Timing buffered disk reads:  676 MB in  3.01 seconds = 224.83 MB/sec
[23:49] <BUGabundo> its stupid nvidia blob and SSHD that are making my boot 10 sec slower :(
[23:52] <smallfoot-> :(
[23:53] <smallfoot->  Timing cached reads:   3252 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1626.62 MB/sec
[23:53] <smallfoot->  Timing buffered disk reads:  694 MB in  3.01 seconds = 230.58 MB/sec
[23:53] <smallfoot-> Intel X-25M G2 80 gb SSD, bitch!
[23:54] <BUGabundo> really faster then mine
[23:54] <BUGabundo> let me compare ext4 vs btrfs
[23:54] <smallfoot-> i use ext4
[23:54] <charlie-tca> I need one of those things, too.
[23:54] <smallfoot-> but im using CFQ, i should be using Deadline
[23:54]  * charlie-tca also needs a computer that will boot from ssd's 
[23:55] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda1: (ext4)
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing cached reads:   3230 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1615.89 MB/sec
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing buffered disk reads:  694 MB in  3.01 seconds = 230.79 MB/sec
[23:55] <BUGabundo> /dev/sda5: (BTRFS)
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing cached reads:   3088 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1544.67 MB/sec
[23:55] <BUGabundo>  Timing buffered disk reads:  704 MB in  3.00 seconds = 234.45 MB/sec
[23:55] <smallfoot-> not much change
[23:55] <smallfoot-> what scheduler you use?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> stock MM
[23:56] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:56] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:56] <BUGabundo> what should I use in fstab to make it nicer?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> discard ?!
[23:57] <smallfoot-> cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler
[23:58] <BUGabundo> noop deadline [cfq]
[23:58] <smallfoot-> ya, i use cfq too
[23:59] <smallfoot-> i heard noop and deadline yields better performance on SSD
[23:59] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:59] <BUGabundo> as I said, it's a fresh install of daily MM