[00:01] Ok, quick poll. best IRC client? [00:01] im debating, empathy, irssi, xchat [00:03] pidgin [00:03] * BUGabundo runs [00:03] xchat-gnome is what i use, it has notifications, and it does look decent [00:03] no weechat ? [00:03] erm, empathy is actually considered as an irc client? (my votes: CLI: irssi GTK: xchat QT4: quassel) [00:03] mIRC [00:04] * BUGabundo runs faster [00:04] rofl [00:04] yofel: lol. yeah I promote empathy.. but I really haven't found a fav [00:04] * rooks slaps BUGabundo around with a large trout [00:04] * bcurtiswx is using irssi atm [00:04] * yofel throws a bunch of XWindows after BUGabundo and hides [00:04] * bcurtiswx shoves BUGabundo into the next network [00:05] webchat.freenode.net (no ssl) using IE6 [00:05] /me runs faster then Tyson Gay [00:05] can xchat be minimized to the indicator-applet and not hog window chooser space? [00:06] bcurtiswx: quassel :P [00:06] bcurtiswx, it can show icon in tray when somone messages you, and also it can issue a that handy notification that shows in same are where wlan-connected is showed [00:06] you can run a instance of quassel core on your server and leave it online as long as the server is online [00:07] bcurtiswx, xchat-gnome at least comes with default plugins that can do that [00:07] * bcurtiswx will try that out [00:09] brb [00:11] can somone message me? so i can do screenshot on how it works? [00:12] rooks: ping [00:12] rooks: ping [00:12] rooks: ping [00:13] http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgH/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgI/ [00:14] I won't even dare ask how SLOW you PC is [00:14] with that theme , thanks to the GTK bug [00:14] ? [00:14] care to run gtrpref ? [00:14] *gtk [00:15] it works fast, its on msi wind u100+ [00:15] in a sec [00:17] BUGabundo, http://pastebin.ca/1923776 [00:17] Total time: 34.58 [00:17] on a dust / dark human mix [00:18] 43.sth [00:18] I can make it go as low as 16 sec [00:18] i dont care :) [00:18] in clearlooks [00:18] its SLOW [00:18] believe me [00:18] cozy > fast [00:18] anything above 20/30 [00:19] i like it that way, i ran archlinux with openbox for last few years, and i now want cozy :) [00:19] and withas little tweeks to the system as possible [00:19] i run it with compiz on my netbook [00:19] btw [00:21] hmm xchat-gnome-indicator just spawns xchat windows :( [00:21] bcurtiswx, http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgH/ http://ubuntuone.com/p/DgI/ [00:23] bcurtiswx, there are 2 plugins, one spawns taskbar, other spawns that indicataor boubble [00:23] rooks, yes i have them both [00:23] brb [00:25] BUGabundo, at present i try to get high statistics at not touching my system and keeping all stuff as COTS as possible :) [00:32] bcurtiswx, at present i try to get high statistics at not touching my system and keeping all stuff as COTS as possible, that what led me to chosing xchat-gnome to have something gui-simple to use, it might not work for you if you want some more customizations or other thingies out of it [00:32] xchat-gnome-indicator needs work.. it just spawns xchat gnome sessions' [00:32] rooks: OK thx === kancerman_ is now known as kancerman [01:02] Installed the netbook alpha 3 last night on a Dell mini. Installation seemed to run fine, but now I just get a blinking '_' on boot. If I hit the right shift, I just get 'GRUB loading' with the blinking '_' on the next line. Didn't see anything about that online, known issue? [01:11] tjlytle: do you get a terminal ? ctrl-alt-f2 or what not [01:12] dink: Was trying last night - I think I tried that. I'll check real quick. [01:13] Yeah, no terminal. Can't even seem to get to the grub menu (just hangs with 'GRUB Loading'). [01:14] can't even get into grub menu ? [01:15] Try reinstalling grub using livecd [01:16] I hit shift on boot and just get a 'GRUB loading' then the blinking '_'. [01:16] That's what I'm about to try - just was wondering if this was a known issue or just something weird. [01:17] I actually had that on my acer netbook but I think it was with alpha2 [01:17] Of course, while the ship with Ubuntu, these Dells don't seem to get along well with newer versions. [01:18] Not sure about mini but dells always have hidden partitions. Wonder if grub didn't get installed properly [01:18] but yea try to manual install it [01:19] Hmm...good point. I know I wiped the whole disk on my other Mini, but this was an install on a 'stock' system. [01:19] Still just did a 'use the whole disk' in install though. [01:41] hi [01:41] i get a bunch of 'ignoring file' statements on my apt-get installs, can someone please help? http://pastebin.com/5MNJuh6q === TheTick is now known as presuntorj === lucio is now known as lucitu === lucitu is now known as luci [04:29] argh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/612432 [04:29] Launchpad bug 612432 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "UEFI boot needs Experimental branch of Grub" [Undecided,New] === SeuNick-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim_ === Andre_Gondim_ is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as SeuNick-afk === SeuNick-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim_ === SeuNick-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [09:51] Thank you. [10:35] wow, i just deleted a 300mb .xsession-errors file full of nautilus warnings oO [11:31] uhm.. any hint why i get freezes so frequently? like system freezes, mouse still works, but nothing else. [11:31] (except it being alpha) === uRock_ is now known as uRock === uRock is now known as Coffee-Taker [15:12] after a recent upgrade, lots of things are moving at 3x speed; youtube videos, pianobar playing, etc; any ideas? [15:48] hey, is anyone else having problem with X using a lot of cpu? I'm using nvidia closed drivers [15:50] yes - my xorg is averaging 35 % CPU [16:27] When I try to install the Ubuntu Maverick daily alternate, I can't get the alternate CD to boot. It says "Unknown key word in config file" before even getting to the menu. [16:29] The desktop CD boots, but I already tried installing from it. Ubuiqity trashed my hard drive, so I'm going to stick with alternate CDs for a little while. [16:29] Any ideas? [16:30] Could be a problem with today's image. I have not gotten it to sync yet today, my connection is bad [16:31] charlie-tca: It's been doing this for about two weeks now. === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [16:33] I have been able to install images here [16:34] charlie-tca: Must be something with my hardware. Wonder what, though... [16:35] Try a hard drive check, maybe [16:35] are the cd's passing the integrity checks? [16:35] charlie-tca: It's not getting far enough for me to run an integrity check. [16:36] (Also, the images are oversized, so I'm running them on a thumb drive) [16:36] charlie-tca: Oddly, it works in VirtualBox. [16:37] Maybe it's a problem with my thumb drive, I'll try a different one. [16:37] hmm, wonder if they are losing something coming off the thumb drive then? [16:41] charlie-tca: I'm running md5sum now, I'll find out. [16:44] charlie-tca: Output of md5sum -c md5sum.txt | grep "FAILED": http://pastebin.com/R5enQXBM [16:44] charlie-tca: Looks like three files are missing. [16:44] that could be the issue, then [16:47] charlie-tca: Hm, don't think so. Those files are symbolic links, and they look like they're only for netboots. [16:47] (That also explains why they weren't on the thumb drive; it's a FAT filesystem, which of course doesn't support symbolic links) [16:50] charlie-tca: I'm leaving to try again. [17:35] How could I check why my system keeps freezing? [17:36] hi guys...does anyone know when the Ubuntu Sans font will be released? === Coffee-Taker is now known as uRock [17:59] mikebeecham: when it's ready - you can download the current beta version if you have an LP account and are a member of kubuntu-users group [18:08] bah, lets see If I can get smaller Xorg usage from open drivers - even switching virtual desktops is painful :/ [18:13] kklimonda: which driver are you using atm? [18:14] Is the nvidia driver working yet? [18:15] Ian_corne: 255.44 works [18:15] you have to add IgnoreABI to xorg.conf [18:15] 256.44& [18:15] ok [18:57] anyone know why this happens? using fileroller to extract an archive, the progress bar is always in the middle === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [19:31] kklimonda, thanks mate...I guess by my question "whats an LP account?" would mean I'm not supposed to have the beta :D [19:31] launchpad. [19:32] ahhh ok [19:32] I've started doing some Ubuntu wallpaper packs, and I'm using png logos at the moment...which doesn't help! There is a font out there which I nabbed, but dont think it's the sans...I think it's a "made to look like it" [20:15] after a recent upgrade, lots of things are moving at 3x speed; youtube videos, pianobar playing, etc; any ideas? === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [20:24] ssd is here [20:24] preping pendrive with daily cd image [20:24] any last advice ? [20:24] I'll try both ext4 and btrfs [20:24] AFAIK I need /boot to be on non-btrfs right? === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [20:35] $ sudo usb-creator-gtk -i maverick-desktop-amd64.iso [20:38] BUGabundo: right, for btrfs on / you need ext /boot for now, and if you use ext4 on a SSD you might want to add the 'discard' mount option as TRIM is disabled by defaul on ext4 AFAIK === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:39] will try btrfs 1st [20:39] how do I enable trim? [20:40] brb rebooting to test pendrive with Maverick, and if ok, replacing disk [20:40] just put ssd option in fstab [20:40] okat [20:41] if it doen not detect it at install [20:41] you guys will tell me all about it [20:41] when I return on a fresh isntall === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [21:40] why does System, Prefs, Power Management only have 2 tabs: "On AC Power" and "General" ? (no battery power tab or settings) [21:48] is the package ubuntu-netbook still installable in ubuntu 10.10? [21:53] !info ubuntu-netbook maverick | mfraz74 [21:53] mfraz74: ubuntu-netbook (source: netbook-meta): The Ubuntu Netbook system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.031 (maverick), package size 33 kB, installed size 60 kB [21:54] yofel: so i could install that instead of unity? [21:54] that I don't know [21:56] ok [21:56] ubuntu-netbook depends on unity [21:56] oh :( [22:10] where do i find packages for evolution 2.31/2.32? === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [22:28] DrHalan: maybe in a ppa? the latest version in Maverick is 2.30.2, so anything later will either be at the developers or in a PPA [22:28] charlie-tca: yeah already searched launchpad but didn't find anyhting [22:29] here is the ftp for it from gnome - http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/evolution/2.31/ [22:31] Looks like it is packaged for Debian Sid too [22:31] hmm, nope [22:32] !info evolution unstable [22:32] evolution (source: evolution): groupware suite with mail client and organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.3-1 (unstable), package size 1083 kB, installed size 4588 kB [22:32] nope, 2.30.3 [22:33] You would have to compile it yourself - http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/download.shtml === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [22:47] hm, kernel -18 gives me some error about being unable to initalize i915 right and that it disabled graphics turbo mode. Erm, I have an nvidia card... [22:48] anyone else got something like that? [22:48] it does start fine after that though [22:55] why does Ubuntu "Maverick" 10.10 install Java, but Ubuntu 10.04 don't have Java installed by default? [22:56] depends on what is pulling java in, java doesn't explicitely belong to the default installtion in maverick either [22:57] but java is in maverick dfeault install [22:57] why? [23:00] well, because a package that *is* in the default install depends on it, I don't know more either without digging into the package dependencies [23:06] oh [23:08] when will ubuntu have python3? [23:09] not for a while I think, the python 2.7 rebuilds didn't go well, so we'll still have 2.6 as default in maverick [23:09] yofel, i'd say the i915 thing is just the kernel being too verbose [23:10] bjsnider: I agree, was just irritated as -16 doesn't give me that [23:12] well, every time i boot lucid it says "failed to open /dev/null" which is very annoying [23:12] o.O [23:13] i wonder if those two issues might be related to nvidia not having kms [23:13] is this java thing in maverick the fault of openoffice? [23:24] is this java thing in maverick the fault of openoffice? [23:25] i think is fault of openoffice.org-java-common [23:29] I SURVIVED!!!!! [23:29] ssd running fine [23:30] BUGabundo: you mad [23:30] e it [23:30] I am, sir [23:31] now need to migrate all stuff [23:31] already reinstalled most of the app [23:31] grandson helping type [23:31] gotta love dselect [23:31] he's only 18 months [23:31] eheh [23:31] hi charlie granson [23:32] humm [23:32] how the H do I boot from the old disk, now that it is outside in USB? [23:32] it stall at grub [23:32] Re-install grub [23:33] or run sudo update-grub [23:33] so, chroot and update it ? [23:33] won't it mess primary system? [23:33] hmm, I don't chroot [23:33] you don't ? [23:33] but its another system [23:33] sure! I am positive it will mess with primary system... [23:33] another disk, not even running the OS [23:33] that's what I DON'T wanna do [23:33] so chroot is the way [23:34] I don't anything about chroot. I am just a simple user [23:34] but it won't know its running over usb [23:34] yeah right [23:34] you and your 18 month kid [23:34] yup [23:34] both of us are simple users [23:35] Volkodav: before I left you were saying something about fstab? [23:37] funny enough not seeing any slow down in aptitude [23:37] as mention in the btrfs bug [23:40] Maybe not everyone sees it? [23:40] !controls [23:40] In Lucid, the minimize, maximize, and close buttons have been moved to the left side. For more information, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564 | To move them back to the right-hand side, see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side [23:41] that's better :DDDDD [23:41] MAUAU [23:41] my last boot was of 23 secs [23:41] the second boot in SSD after install was 13 sec [23:43] i think is fault of openoffice.org-java-common? [23:43] WHY MAVerick needs java? [23:43] maverick installs java by default [23:43] why?? [23:43] lucid didnt do this [23:43] this is fault of openoffice? [23:43] 238MB/s [23:45] $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda [23:45] /dev/sda: [23:45] Timing cached reads: 2958 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1479.15 MB/sec [23:45] Timing buffered disk reads: 676 MB in 3.01 seconds = 224.83 MB/sec [23:49] its stupid nvidia blob and SSHD that are making my boot 10 sec slower :( [23:52] :( [23:53] Timing cached reads: 3252 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1626.62 MB/sec [23:53] Timing buffered disk reads: 694 MB in 3.01 seconds = 230.58 MB/sec [23:53] Intel X-25M G2 80 gb SSD, bitch! [23:54] really faster then mine [23:54] let me compare ext4 vs btrfs [23:54] i use ext4 [23:54] I need one of those things, too. [23:54] but im using CFQ, i should be using Deadline [23:54] * charlie-tca also needs a computer that will boot from ssd's [23:55] /dev/sda1: (ext4) [23:55] Timing cached reads: 3230 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1615.89 MB/sec [23:55] Timing buffered disk reads: 694 MB in 3.01 seconds = 230.79 MB/sec [23:55] /dev/sda5: (BTRFS) [23:55] Timing cached reads: 3088 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1544.67 MB/sec [23:55] Timing buffered disk reads: 704 MB in 3.00 seconds = 234.45 MB/sec [23:55] not much change [23:55] what scheduler you use? [23:56] stock MM [23:56] no idea [23:56] lol [23:56] what should I use in fstab to make it nicer? [23:56] discard ?! [23:57] cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler [23:58] noop deadline [cfq] [23:58] ya, i use cfq too [23:59] i heard noop and deadline yields better performance on SSD [23:59] no idea [23:59] as I said, it's a fresh install of daily MM