[00:02] rickspencer3, hey [00:02] rickspencer3: Good morning. [00:19] So, you guys are shipping Banshee? [00:20] Viper550: not default [00:21] oh, netbook version only? [00:21] hmm [00:21] idk about netbook [00:21] Viper550: it's in the archive [00:22] not shipped for netbook by default either [00:23] rhythmbox is the default for gnome [00:27] micahg: from what I've seen in the MIR bug for banshee, it is/was planned to have it as default for UNE [00:27] ajmitch: oh, right... [00:27] I forgot about that bug...I hope they get it in soon, ,beta freeze if thursday :) [00:28] ajmitch: I just pulled the netbook-meta package to check...not there yet [00:29] not yet, they're cutting it close :) [00:29] Viper550, ajmitch, micahg, I'm 99% certain that didrocks intends to ship banshee by default in UNE [00:30] I'm a bit surprised it's not in yet [00:30] don't we hate novell === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [00:30] Viper550: no, AFAIK, we don't do that [00:30] Viper550, nope ... they do some nice work, and they are nice people [00:30] rickspencer3: so am I, but the bug isn't approved yet & lists some issues on ARM, so here's hoping it gets resolved soon [00:30] ajmitch, ditto [00:31] but with didrocks on vacation ... not sure who's going to take it forward [00:31] maybe seb128 can look into it tomorrow ;) [00:31] asac has been active on the bug [00:31] ah [00:32] * ajmitch saw it due to being on the ubuntu-mono list :) [00:32] new banshee-community-extensions should be uploaded to experimental soon from what I saw [00:39] the close window option in evolution is greyed out.. why so? [00:41] hmm, i don't want to close the program, i just want to close the window so evolution can sit in the indicator applet [00:41] i'll go bug #ayatana === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [03:10] dobey, if you use IT_PROG_INTLTOOL should you remove AM_GNU_GETTEXT_VERSION and AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT from configure.ac? [03:37] robert_ancell: you should be ok to remove them if you're using IT_PROG_INTLTOOL, yes [03:37] dobey, has that only occurred recently? (It appears most projects have both) [03:41] robert_ancell: 2 years [03:56] nite all [06:56] <^arky^> hi [06:56] <^arky^> Does XPI files automatically associated with firefox/mozilla in ubuntu [06:57] <^arky^> In the LTS it starts up with file-roller [06:57] ^arky^: no [06:57] as it should, it's a zip archive [06:57] <^arky^> micahg, perhaps we should associate with firefox in 'open with' so that it might not confuse the lay users ? [06:58] ^arky^: nope, not appropriate, could also be for thunderbird, seamonkey [06:58] ^arky^: the proper way is to install through the addons menu [06:59] <^arky^> ok micahg just a thought [07:44] well done vish :) http://justanothertriager.wordpress.com/2010/08/24/cleansweep-update/ [07:52] Good morning [07:54] Good morning [08:04] morning [08:22] would anyone have objections to sticking in a git snapshot of libgpod to maverick? [08:24] hyperair: I know LucidFox was working with those packages [08:24] ooh, really? [08:25] hyperair: at least trying to get them updated in Debian an expressed an interest in Ubuntu as well [08:25] *and [08:25] i see. [08:25] i'll talk to her then. thanks === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:51] hey [08:51] hi seb128 [08:52] hey bilalakhtar [08:52] morning seb128 [08:52] Good morning seb128! [08:52] hey ajmitch RAOF [08:52] how is everybody doing? [08:53] RAOF, the evo crash you reported is likely due to the change for appmenu-gtk you might want to uninstall it as a workaround [08:53] seb128: Eh. It's not particularly frequent, and evo is good about crash-safety. [08:54] ok [08:54] Man, X would be much more fun if hardware developers got their stuff together. [08:55] Then it would just be _our_ fault when X crashes :) [08:56] RAOF, hehe [08:56] I mean, is it _so_ hard to provide 128 bytes of well formatted data in your monitor? :) [08:59] RAOF: well -- it's 2^1024 - 1 ways to get it wrong, and only one to get it right; I'd rather bet in the lottery [09:00] pitti: The space of correct EDIDs is significantly larger than 1 :P [09:00] still, not much better.. [09:01] $ python -c 'print len(str(2**1024))' [09:01] 309 [09:01] that's a damn large number === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [09:10] Pici: around? [09:10] micahg: turns out she was working on gtkpod, not libgpod. [09:10] Pici: sorry, tab fail [09:10] pitti: Around? [09:10] hello bilalakhtar, good morning [09:10] hey pitti [09:10] bonjour monsieur! [09:10] how are you? [09:10] pretty well, thanks! and you? [09:11] I'm great thanks [09:13] pitti: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bilalakhtar/ubuntu/maverick/jockey/fix-600804/+merge/33402 [09:13] bilalakhtar: I saw the MP, thanks! will have a look ASAP [09:13] thanks pitti [09:29] morning [09:30] lut huats [09:30] hello seb128 [09:37] mvo: master [09:37] !! [09:38] seb128: so banshee is all fine imo ... wasnt sure about zeroconf though. do we really need that in main/by default for banshee? [09:38] hey asac [09:38] hi mvo !! [09:38] mvo: do you have time for a chat in a bit ;)? [09:39] mvo: just ping me when you have 10 minutes about something cool ;) [09:39] * asac gets some coffee [09:39] Good morning mvo [09:41] huats, do you plan to fix your pywebkitgtk update to build? [09:41] seb128, it is plan today [09:42] asac, hey, thanks for the review, not sure about zeroconf I prefer to let some of the banshee guys there comment about it [09:42] seb128, sorry I was away for a few days, and I couldn't approach my computer without getting a very very dark look from my girlfriend :) [09:42] lol [09:42] * huats is a poor little man :) [09:42] seb128: ok. when is didrocks coming back from laggery? [09:43] asac, next week [09:43] ok lets move all to main then to not breach beta freeze [09:44] seb128: do you know if "boo" is avoiable? [09:44] i would prefer to not get a new compiler/interpreter in the archive ;) [09:44] dunno no, I don't even know what that is [09:44] "python-like language and compiler for the CLI [09:44] " [09:44] Boo and zeroconf could both be split out if necessary. [09:44] YAY [09:44] * asac goes and asks for htat [09:45] congrats, you just signed for extra work [09:45] ;-) [09:45] Boo is for the Boo scripting plugin, and zeroconf is for the DAAP sharing plugin; neither is critical and I'm pretty sure that Banshee will load without them. [09:45] I can see users unhappy without daap sharing though [09:45] ok boo and mono-zeroconf tasks are incomplete [09:46] i will set bashee overall to incomplete to indicate the action [09:46] well the tricky part is that those are build-depends [09:46] not sure how you want to build banshee without those [09:46] or we would need a second banshee copy in universe just to build those [09:46] seb128: some configure flag? [09:46] oh [09:46] not very practical [09:46] asac, well we can't drop daap support that way [09:47] i dont understand [09:47] why do you need a bashee copy in univeres? [09:47] Oh, yeah. Build-depends need to be closed under main. [09:47] to build the daap support without promoting zeroconf [09:47] since banshee will be in main build-depends need to be there [09:47] right. when i ask "can this be not done", i ask if it can be dropped from build depends [09:47] only if we drop daap as well [09:48] asac: time is always short, but for you I have time of course ;) [09:48] mpt: good morning! [09:48] mvo: at 11 ? [09:48] hey mvo [09:48] seb128: whats daap? [09:48] sounds like not needed ;) [09:48] asac, lan music sharing [09:48] mpt: I merged the visual-overhaul branch [09:48] hey seb128 [09:48] heh [09:48] asac: 11 is fine [09:48] asac, the things which make your rb or banshee list music from others at UDS [09:48] Banshee only has a client, not a DAAP server, but it's still pretty cool. [09:48] right. thats what i figured from zeroconf ... [09:49] wasnt sure thats really needed ;) [09:49] ok well ... [09:49] Slightly less cool when you can do the same thing with all your telepathy contacts, though ;) [09:49] I'm not sure why they don't use avahi though [09:49] zeroconf is fine. and boo? [09:49] boo is what gives me most pain [09:50] it's only scripting [09:50] but I've no clue if scripts users want to use requires it [09:50] I don't use banshee but I would say we don't really need it [09:50] heh [09:51] I'm unaware of any boo scripts for Banshee; I don't think anyone would notice if it wasn't there. [09:51] I don't think it's enabled by default, either. [09:51] asac, ok, so let's drop that but keep zeroconf [09:51] though I would like to know why they don't use avahi [09:51] thats fine if we can [09:51] and if we could use avahi [09:51] seb128: i think zeroconf is avahi ... isnt it? [09:51] avahi is in main though [09:52] seb128: a mono avahi? [09:52] that's what rb uses for example [09:52] i assumed that mono-zeroconf is a wrapper for something avahish [09:52] It's a cross-platform mdns/avahi/bonjour implemenation, IIUC. [09:52] hum, libavahi1.0-cil is in universe [09:52] ok so a multi pack ;) [09:52] right [09:53] hmm [09:53] changelog mentioned libavahi-cil [09:53] and mono-zeroconf isnt mentioned at all ;) [09:53] apparently was sneaked in [09:54] guess they moved away from libavahi-cil [09:54] hmm [09:54] libavahi-cil has no rdepends [09:54] guess that package doesnt exist? [09:55] libavahi1.0-cil [09:55] it's called [09:55] ah [09:55] yeah [09:55] libavahi1.0-cil seems to be mono bindings for libavahi [09:55] hmm [09:55] where mono-zeroconf seems a complete zeroconf implementation [09:55] libavahi1.0-cil is in universe [09:56] yeah [09:56] I would prefer to maintain the bindings [09:56] they are only bindings over a lib we ship [09:56] where the zeroconf one is new code [09:56] but I'm not sure why they changed etc [09:57] guess because of "all mono is cleaner" ;) [09:57] mvo, I saw. :-) Are you looking at the other merge proposals today? [09:58] mpt: yes [09:59] great [10:06] mvo, r1036 doesn't start up for me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/482815/ [10:11] <^arky^> mvo: r1036 same problem http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/482816/ === zyga_ is now known as zyga [10:12] seb128, RAOF: if boo or daap are a problem, they can be split off into different packages. [10:13] daap seems it's not so much [10:13] hyperair: And still be built? [10:14] RAOF: yes, why not? [10:14] hyperair: Because all of banshee's build-depends will need to be in main, too. [10:14] RAOF: oh. [10:14] Yeah. That's what I forgot initially :) [10:15] so what's wrong with, say, putting boo in main? [10:16] Nothing, but it means boo will need a MIR. [10:16] i would prefer to not get a new compiler/interpreter in the archive ;) [10:17] hmm [10:17] was the issue [10:17] what's the reason behind it? [10:17] seems extra code to main for no strong reason [10:17] lot to do already and not enough people to do it [10:17] so we try to not keep adding extra sourcecode we need to maintain when there is no need for it [10:18] i see. [10:24] Whoops! 7:30 makes it time to stop. [10:24] RAOF, have fun [10:26] seb128: is x-gnome-autorestart=true supposed to work? I added it to polkit gnome and it does not seem to work [10:26] X-GNOME-AutoRestart=true [10:26] it is [10:26] and yes [10:27] but your code needs to register to the session I think [10:27] which polkit-gnome might not do [10:27] seb128: aha, ok [11:20] mvo: one more question ;) ... is the env reset for maintainer scripts? [11:20] e.g. if i do export TEST=1 [11:20] apt-get install something [11:20] will the postinst etc. see the env? [11:21] dpm, hey [11:21] dpm, question for you, do I need to do anything after uploading a package which start generating a translation template? [11:21] dpm, like pinging you to get it approved or something [11:24] seb128: hm, are you sure about X-GNOME-AutoRestart? I just looked into the registryd source and it seems to do manually register. if I killall gnome-settings-daemon it does not come back for me. does that work for you? [11:24] seb128, no, in principle you don't need to do anything, I look at the queue from time to time. However, if you ping me it's best, as I can approve it straight away (it's a one minute job) [11:26] asac: that will work as root, but sudo will clean most of the environment [11:27] dpm, ok, thanks, I will upload unity places with translations [11:27] mvo, sure about what? [11:27] mvo: yeah. but i invoke apt on my own ... so i can do sudo TEST=1 apt-get install blah blah [11:27] mvo, it works to restart nautilus [11:27] seb128: about restarting [11:27] thanks mvo [11:27] seb128: maybe not because of the key, but because nautilus does some manual work to register with the session? [11:28] mvo, I would be surprised, we used to change the key to false to workaround a bug in nautilus and that made the autostart stop [11:28] chrisccoulson, ^ I think you know that code better than me, any clue? [11:29] mvo, you can run gnome-session --debug and see what it writes [11:29] seb128: I did and no trace of autorestart [11:29] weird [11:29] vuntz, ^ ;-) [11:29] maybe I do something wrong :) [11:29] well it works there for gnome-panel and nautilus [11:30] but I would love to get confirmation if x-gnome-autorestart is implmented [11:30] it is [11:30] I didn't check if it didn't get broken in maverick [11:30] seb128: ok, then I dig some more, its probably me doing something wrong then [11:30] but I would be surprised since gnome-session didn't change [11:30] I've been tweaking the autorestart key to debug nautilus in lucid [11:30] without that nautilus --quit doesn't work [11:31] ie nautilus is respawned [11:31] yeah, X-GNOME-Autorestart should still work AFAICT, but you need to be registered with gnome-session for it to work [11:31] turning the key to false was working, it stopped respawning [11:31] chrisccoulson: aha, ok. so dbus registration and it will be fine? I will try that [11:32] mvo - yeah, that should work [11:32] seb128, ok, I'll keep an eye on the queue today and I'll approve unity places [11:32] dpm, I will ping you when they will have built [11:32] dpm, thanks [11:33] cool, thank you seb128 [11:34] dpm, thank *you* ;-) [11:34] hahaha we can go on with this forever :) [11:35] ;-) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:56] devildante: hi! [11:56] kiwinote: hi :) [11:57] devildante: I'm working on your branch atm, so if you don't push anything new that would be great ;) [11:57] kiwinote: np, I won't touch it ;) [11:58] devildante: I did make a list of all addons yesterday, and there were some interesting things I found [11:58] devildante: sometimes an addon is listed twice (ie recommended and suggested). I have a fix for this. [11:59] mvo, do you know how the "create new archive extras.ubuntu.com" work items are going? [11:59] devildante: also sometimes randompkg-dev sees randompkg as an addon when it should be the other way around.. [11:59] kiwinote: Can you fix that? [12:00] not within the given approach [12:00] seb128: its a IS item, no idea about the status [12:00] mvo, ok, thanks [12:00] seb128, chrisccoulson: when registering, it works :) [12:00] (the auto-restart) [12:00] mvo, see ;-) [12:00] devildante: but I'll do some experimenting with other approaches later on [12:00] seb128: do you mind if I upload a new polkit-agent with restart enabled? [12:00] mvo, go for it === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [12:00] seb128: propbably worth forwarding to upstream as well [12:00] mvo, thanks for fixing that [12:01] yes that would be nice [12:01] lunch time [12:01] bbl [12:01] kiwinote: okay :) [12:01] devildante: I just needed to fix some things first so I don't need to wait 40minutes to get a list of all addons for all pkgs ;) [12:01] kiwinote: I added restart support to the polkit agent, so the apporach where we start it outselfs should be no longer needed (it seems like a better way as all apps will benefit this way) [12:02] mvo: ah great, hadn't realised that was possible. Indeed a better approach! [12:03] mvo: re your comment using fixed width. Do you know of a better way to deal with this? [12:04] kiwinote: I thought about it for a little bit, but its tricky, as the widget requires knowledge outside of the widget. maybe having a table of the info is the right approach and then going over it and setting the size after the packageinfo widgets are set [12:04] kiwinote: the restart was a little bit more tricky than I expected. but it should be there now :) [12:05] mvo: yeah, having a table was the old approach, but the addons branch needed to display a info line above the addons statusbar. I'll have a think about it after lunch. [12:06] * kiwinote to lunch [12:06] kiwinote: thanks! [12:07] seb128: pitti: ogra thinks he remembers that there were patent issues with zeroconf? [12:07] anyone knows anything about that? [12:08] i'm not 100% sure, but i think that was one of the reasons why avahi was written instead of just using zeroconf [12:14] seb128: http://pastebin.com/XJhWrMcH .. that one + a respin of the clutter rdepends is needed to get rid of not needed direct dependencies on the libgl-mesa [12:14] i dont think its many packages that would need a respin [12:14] i will try them all locally before ... just wanted to get your first input [12:15] apt-cache rdepends libclutter-1.0-0 | pastebinit [12:15] http://pastebin.com/SNFG1DKb [12:16] seb128: I uploaded the new agent, kick me if anything is not/nolonger working. its not in a vcs afaics, so I just uploaded [12:16] * mvo heads for lunch [12:17] seb128: would be fine with just respinning the rdepends needed for unity stack === fta_ is now known as fta [12:20] seb128: let me know what i need to do to make you feel good about this ;) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:24] mvo: hopefully last question for today: the apt-get --download-only thing. what does that do exactly? only downloads packages specified or also the not installed depends of those [12:26] mvo, right, no vcs, thanks [12:27] asac, can you use the patch system properly rather than patching the source? ;-) [12:28] asac, I can clean that and do the rdepends [12:28] mvo, I guess you're snowed under today, but if you could spare time to fix the launch problem , both ^arky^ and I would be unblocked in doing review and QA [12:28] asac, can you get that change forwarded upstream as well? [12:30] seb128: the change is in the patchsystem ... i will change the name of the patch, yes. [12:30] asac, right, it's in the patchsystem in the sense that the new source format put the random changes inline to a patch now [12:30] ;-) [12:31] yeah. i never intended to not change it ;) [12:31] seb128: so what rdepends should i test rebuild? do you want me to put that in a ppa first? [12:32] i would hope its safe. if an rdepends fails because of that its missing a build dend on the mesa-glx ... clutter does not refer to any GL symbols in its headers at least [12:32] seb128: i wanted to go for mutter, clutk, unity, and champlain [12:33] to get a good test ... are those the important ones in our image? [12:34] asac, libunity-misc [12:34] guess libclutter-gtk too [12:34] let me see [12:34] asac, apt-cache rdepends --show-installed=yes libclutter-1.0-0 [12:34] my system isn not a good install base to look at ;) [12:35] grr ... dch -i now always does binNMU for us in ubuntu [12:35] thats bogus ;) [12:35] asac, the ones you listed and libunity-misc clutter-gtk-0.10 [12:35] gnome-games [12:35] anyway, whoever fixed the ALT key in gnome-terminal is my friend :-P [12:36] seb128: ok i will respin those locally. do you want me to put stuff in a ppa too? [12:37] asac, no need [12:37] kk [12:37] let me know how it goes and upstream the change [12:37] ;-) [12:38] yep. i am waiting for my "confirmation" mail from the clutter bugzilla [12:50] kenvandine: in gwibber i see my own tweets/dents in notify bubbles. that can't be right ;) [12:50] asac, yeah, we should hide those i think [12:51] kenvandine: do you have a bunch of crash reports in your inbox for gwibber-preferences? [12:51] kenvandine: i cannot open it ... it always crashes ;) [12:51] humm [12:51] i don't [12:51] wonder if i have to submit this or if you have enough [12:51] hmm [12:51] run it from a console [12:51] ok let me review the data [12:51] gwibber-preferences [12:51] yeah [12:51] let me do that [12:52] thx [12:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/482865/ [12:52] cool paste comes with a new face ;) [12:52] does pthread_cond_signal and pthread_cond_wait rely on signals to be working properly? [12:52] ie, can i get it to work from a signal handler? [12:52] * ogra wonders when asac used the pastebin the last time :) [12:53] yesterday? [12:53] the new theme is there since last week i think [12:53] maybe my .css was aggressively cached ;) [12:53] heh [12:53] FF bug :P [12:53] i definitly used it yesterday and i cant have missed it [12:53] guess rather apache bug ;) [12:53] or setup bug rather [12:54] ogra, FF has no bugs [12:54] ;) [12:54] you sound like the kernel guys if i try to convince tham that OO.o not starting must be a kernel bug :P [12:54] hehe [12:54] it is a kernel bug isn't it? ;) [12:54] heh :) [12:54] or a video driver issue? [12:55] ;) [12:55] asac, file a bug and go ahead and assign it to me [12:55] chrisccoulson, definitely ! [12:55] i am heading to my son's school for a teacher conference... will be online in about an hour [12:55] * kenvandine heads afk [12:55] kenvandine: am i important enough to target this for release ;)? [12:56] filing [12:57] kenvandine: bug 623335 [12:57] Launchpad bug 623335 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "gwibber-preferences always crashes on startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623335 [13:03] kenvandine, hey [13:18] asac: hi, back from lunch. --download-only acts just like a normal instlal, but it does not install. so if there are missing dependencies it will download them [13:18] mpt: thanks, I fix this now [13:19] mvo: cool. thats going in normal cache dir? i assume i can define a special download dir? [13:19] mpt: the easiest workaround is to run "bzr-buildpackage" and install the deb, its because of the change of the naming (New applications -> What's new) [13:20] asac: normal cache dir unless you use -o Dir::cache [13:20] asac: normal cache dir unless you use -o Dir::cache::archives [13:20] oh ... good [13:20] cool === fta_ is now known as fta [13:23] mvo, bzr-buildpackage gives two test failures: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/482877/ [13:29] mpt: please try r1038, it should no longer crash on startup, I look at the test failures next [13:33] mvo, yep, it now launches and says "34615 items available" but the main pane is empty :-) === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away [13:37] mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/482884/ === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [13:44] mpt: weeh, thanks [13:44] mvo, reported it as bug 623359 [13:44] Launchpad bug 623359 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Top-level "Get Software" screen is blank ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'draw') (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623359 [13:45] because I thought nzmm_ might be able to take it off your shoulders, but I think he's asleep now :-) [13:45] mpt: I think easiest is if I just do a maverick upload :) with the current tree, should be in good state [13:46] mvo, ok. How soon would that appear in the archive? A few hours? [13:46] ~2h or so, yes [13:46]