| wolfraven | Hello Room! Can anyone help me with edubuntu resources. I need good resources for developing a presentation to our Schools board of directors on why we should expose our students to edubuntu.... | 03:17 |
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| wolfraven | I am sure this wheel has already been invented several times and I really don't feel like spending too much effort reinventing it if someone can show me where the wheel yard is :) | 03:19 |
| wolfraven | We are about to receive a large donation of computers and we are in the early stages of discussing our computer resource implementation plan and I feel we should utilize edubuntu for many reasons, just wonder if anyone knows links to presentations that will highlight those reasons. | 03:22 |
| chris143 | having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas????? | 06:48 |
| chris143 | installed 10.04 alternate CD but did not choose LTSP at install.. later I installed ltsp-standalone-server... all other client features work (localdev, video etc.) but no sound.. where should I look? | 06:51 |
| chris143 | having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas????? | 07:01 |
| Bokica | hi | 14:23 |
| Bokica | i need a little help | 14:23 |
| Bokica | can somebody tell me from where i can download edubuntu 7.1 | 14:23 |
| Bokica | because all links that i found was death | 14:23 |
| Bokica | ?? | 14:24 |
| highvoltage | Bokica: Hi | 14:42 |
| highvoltage | Why Edubuntu 7.10? It's ancient :) | 14:43 |
| Bokica | yeah i know | 14:49 |
| Bokica | but i really need that version | 14:50 |
| highvoltage | Bokica: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/7.10/ | 14:50 |
| Bokica | how i cant found this :( | 14:51 |
| highvoltage | Bokica: note the big warning in red text and also keep in mind that it's unsupported and probably insecure in a bunch of other ways | 14:51 |
| Bokica | thanks a lot | 14:51 |
| highvoltage | Bokica: I wondered that too, since it was the first result when I Google searched it ;) | 14:51 |
| Bokica | :D | 14:51 |
| Bokica | i cant opened that page before | 14:52 |
| Bokica | i dont know why | 14:52 |
| Bokica | thanks a lot againg | 14:53 |
| Bokica | again* | 14:53 |
| highvoltage | you're welcome | 14:53 |
| highvoltage | ooh, Edubuntu meeting time! | 20:03 |
| alkisg | oops | 20:04 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | hi. an alternative to using edubuntu in the classroom besides ltsp would be a private cloud? | 23:02 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | hi HedgeMage | 23:02 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | sbleavene around anymore? | 23:03 |
| dgroos1 | Hi Ahmuck-Jr | 23:05 |
| alkisg | He hasn't shown up for a long time | 23:05 |
| alkisg | Too much work, I guess... | 23:06 |
| dgroos1 | Yeah, I was wondering about Scott as well. | 23:06 |
| dgroos1 | Did he say adios or...? | 23:06 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | did he leave after me? | 23:06 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | hi dgroos long time no chat | 23:07 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | sorta :) | 23:07 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | has the edubuntu team looked at anything besides ltsp? | 23:07 |
| dgroos1 | sometimes these things can be a bit too asynchronous... | 23:07 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | such as ldap/nfs, etc. combo or cloud ? | 23:07 |
| alkisg | To satisfy what needs? | 23:07 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | well, ltsp simply didn't work for us | 23:07 |
| alkisg | ldap and nfs can be installed on edubuntu, sure... there are how-tos for that | 23:08 |
| alkisg | Why not? I mean, what are your specific requirements? | 23:08 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | in edubutu, does it cover multiple stable setups? | 23:08 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | alkisg: something that works :) | 23:08 |
| alkisg | ltsp works for thousand of people | 23:08 |
| alkisg | Maybe your needs are different, but you need to state them if you want us to propose something to you | 23:08 |
| dgroos1 | Ahmuck-Jr. may I guess that it is the challenges of using LTSP on top of all the other challenges of using open source software in general or might I say technology in general? | 23:10 |
| dgroos1 | ...the problem solving never seems to end... | 23:10 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | hrm, i went through about 5 different machine configurations, and something didn't work quite correctly on each platform. the next step was buy new machines, and that wasn't in the budget | 23:11 |
| dgroos1 | on that note :) ... alkisg: I've just got my computers set up and am testing sch-scripts... | 23:11 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | sound, SDL, video, firefox/flash, something | 23:11 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck-Jr: well, if it's a hardware problem with linux (no drivers for specific hardware), then you'd need different hardware or OS, edubuntu doesn't have any drivers that linux doesn't already have | 23:12 |
| dgroos1 | I can relate--wondering how to make sound work properly right now, but it isn't the challenge in front of me at this second... | 23:12 |
| alkisg | So, if one standalone edubuntu installation doesn't work for you, there's no point in looking at nfs, ldap etc | 23:13 |
| alkisg | That comes *after* the hardware is working | 23:13 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | standalone worked great | 23:13 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | it was through ltsp that it failed | 23:13 |
| alkisg | Then try fat clients, it's like standalone installations | 23:14 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | sorry, i timed out | 23:14 |
| alkisg | With central authentication + nfs | 23:14 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | alkisg: like i said, another set of machines, not in the budget | 23:14 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | but i have wondered about private clouds | 23:14 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | and if anybody tried them | 23:14 |
| dgroos1 | alkisg: can you help with this sch-script question? I'm running sch-script on a client right now and tried to share a screen and got this... | 23:14 |
| dgroos1 | sch-scripts error: XAUTHORITY is not defined | 23:15 |
| dgroos1 | /usr/share/sch-scripts/scripts/server/runas-sudo-user: 1: cannot create /var/log/sch-scripts.log: Permission denied | 23:15 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | seriously, i'm not here to bug about ltsp, but rather to find out if anybody has tried other "classroom" confiuraitons | 23:15 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck-Jr_: I've tried fat clients, they work great for me. Boot in 13 seconds instead of 50 locally, and have nfs + cental authentication out of the box. | 23:15 |
| alkisg | (with ltsp) | 23:15 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: where are you seeing those messages? | 23:16 |
| Ahmuck-Jr_ | thanks | 23:16 |
| === Ahmuck-Jr_ is now known as Ahmuck-Jr | ||
| alkisg | Ahmuck-Jr_: and, google earth, firefox, flash etc everything works fine, they're exactly like standalone installations | 23:17 |
| dgroos1 | Ahmuck-Jr_ would it be helpful if there were an image of a server, basically all set up with just a few things to customize that already all the programs, NAT forwarding (pretty much) plugins installed, etc? | 23:17 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | alkisg: i know it works for you. didn't for me | 23:17 |
| alkisg | You tried fat clients? That's lucid-only... | 23:17 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | never bothered with lucid. closed the ltsp lab by that point | 23:18 |
| alkisg | Right, that's what I'm saying, it's something new | 23:18 |
| dgroos1 | That is what I would like, a huge disk image that I could use Clonezilla and blast it onto my server... | 23:18 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | lucid is pre-setup? | 23:18 |
| alkisg | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients | 23:18 |
| alkisg | Fat client support in ltsp was implemented in lucid, not before | 23:19 |
| alkisg | It's an alternative to thin clients, a completely different model | 23:19 |
| dgroos1 | alkisg: I see them on the terminal. To start sch-scripts I typed in a client's terminal: sudo sch-scripts | 23:19 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | so anybody hear from Scott? | 23:20 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: so, you're using a thin client setup (with localapps), you have sch-scripts installed on the server and sch-client on the chroot, and run sch-scripts from a client, and get a xauthority error? | 23:21 |
| dgroos1 | and when I do commands on the gui, there is output on the terminal. | 23:21 |
| dgroos1 | hmmm... not sure if I installed sch-client... | 23:21 |
| alkisg | Are the clients autodetected? | 23:22 |
| dgroos1 | YES! | 23:22 |
| alkisg | ***before logging in to ldm***? | 23:22 |
| dgroos1 | yes | 23:22 |
| alkisg | OK, then you have sch-client installed | 23:22 |
| alkisg | Does lock screen etc work? | 23:23 |
| dgroos1 | lock screen did, control did not. Also, couldn't get the full name option to work. | 23:23 |
| alkisg | OK, let's take this one by one | 23:23 |
| alkisg | (you're not using our setup instructions, as they're specific to our setups, so you might be missing something) | 23:24 |
| dgroos1 | sure | 23:24 |
| alkisg | Do you have x11vnc installed on the chroot? | 23:24 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | alkisg: i hear your going for your masters? | 23:24 |
| alkisg | (it's installed automatically for us, it's on the sch-client "Recommends:" list) | 23:25 |
| dgroos1 | not sure I'll check | 23:25 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck-Jr: no, I got that already, I'm doing my phd currently (taken a leave of absense from teaching) | 23:25 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | ah | 23:25 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | btw, noticed greece was in trouble financially, how did that affect you? | 23:25 |
| alkisg | They cut off about 200€ from our salaries... but after the EU ...loan (I don't know the word) it looks like it's going to stabilize now | 23:26 |
| dgroos1 | I went to synaptic, typed in x11vnc and it says that it's installed... | 23:28 |
| alkisg | Ahmuck-Jr: so, if standalone edubuntu installations are working for you, what more are you looking for? Ease of installation? Shared /home? | 23:28 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: no, not on the server | 23:28 |
| alkisg | Hmmm wait | 23:28 |
| alkisg | Thin clients, so yeah, on the server | 23:28 |
| alkisg | So you're seeing the clients with thumbnails, and when you double click on them, you get that xauthority message? | 23:29 |
| dgroos1 | Yes, also then. | 23:30 |
| alkisg | OK. Does teacher "broadcasting" works? | 23:31 |
| === Ahmuck-Jr_ is now known as Ahmuck-Jr | ||
| alkisg | (showing the teacher screen) | 23:31 |
| dgroos1 | I think I translated that as, 'share teacher screen' and it also doesn't work, giving the identical xauthority error | 23:31 |
| dgroos1 | One thing is, I think that it things the teacher screen is the server and not the thin client I'm logged into. Is that possible? | 23:32 |
| alkisg | It may be, in our case the teacher is always sitting at the server. But I'm interested on fixing that, if that's a bug... | 23:33 |
| alkisg | (btw we just implemented a "create a bunch of users" feature, it'll be out in september) | 23:33 |
| dgroos1 | cool :) | 23:34 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: if you run echo $XAUTHORITY, you do get something, right? | 23:34 |
| alkisg | (on the thin client, logged on as the "teacher") | 23:34 |
| dgroos1 | In a new terminal I typed that in and a blank line was returned. | 23:35 |
| alkisg | Then there's something very wrong with your setup... hmm... | 23:35 |
| alkisg | Let me boot a thin client and compare.. | 23:35 |
| dgroos1 | You know, I'm also accessing the server via NX and tried to type in echo $XAUTHORITY and there too a blank line was returned... | 23:37 |
| dgroos1 | And, I logged into the server via ssh as another user and got the same blank line returned... | 23:39 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: can you try closing sch-scripts, and running this? | 23:39 |
| dgroos1 | ready... :) | 23:39 |
| alkisg | sudo XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority sch-scripts | 23:39 |
| dgroos1 | it opens sch-scripts. When I try to share-screen it give 4 lines of this: cat: /proc/2424/environ: Permission denied | 23:42 |
| dgroos1 | then produces multitudes of lines of this: ** (vinagre:6541): WARNING **: Resolving failed: Timeout reached | 23:42 |
| dgroos1 | forgot to mention, it opens a Remote Desktop Viewer window. | 23:43 |
| alkisg | OK, let me try running sch-scripts locally from a thin client (as opposed from the server), and I'll tell you in a while how that goes for me. | 23:43 |
| dgroos1 | 'k | 23:43 |
| Ahmuck-Jr | l8r | 23:44 |
| dgroos1 | alkisg: I just went to the server (I've had the door unlocked) and tried sch-scripts on that and it didn't work like it had before. I wonder if NX interferes with it? | 23:56 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: if problems happen, the sch-scripts sometimes needs restarting to get right again. | 23:57 |
| alkisg | Now problems happened because you run sch-scripts on a thin client, and the code wasn't ready for that | 23:57 |
| dgroos1 | So... in other words, something has happened to my install as it used to work on the server, at least. should I reboot the server? | 23:57 |
| alkisg | No | 23:57 |
| alkisg | sudo restart sch-scripts | 23:57 |
| alkisg | But you'd have to reboot the clients though | 23:57 |
| alkisg | I saw the problem, trying to get sch-scripts to run from a thin client... | 23:58 |
| alkisg | (it's not only xauthority, it's dbus too) | 23:59 |
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