[03:17] Hello Room! Can anyone help me with edubuntu resources. I need good resources for developing a presentation to our Schools board of directors on why we should expose our students to edubuntu.... [03:19] I am sure this wheel has already been invented several times and I really don't feel like spending too much effort reinventing it if someone can show me where the wheel yard is :) [03:22] We are about to receive a large donation of computers and we are in the early stages of discussing our computer resource implementation plan and I feel we should utilize edubuntu for many reasons, just wonder if anyone knows links to presentations that will highlight those reasons. [06:48] having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas????? [06:51] installed 10.04 alternate CD but did not choose LTSP at install.. later I installed ltsp-standalone-server... all other client features work (localdev, video etc.) but no sound.. where should I look? [07:01] having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas????? [14:23] hi [14:23] i need a little help [14:23] can somebody tell me from where i can download edubuntu 7.1 [14:23] because all links that i found was death [14:24] ?? [14:42] Bokica: Hi [14:43] Why Edubuntu 7.10? It's ancient :) [14:49] yeah i know [14:50] but i really need that version [14:50] Bokica: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/7.10/ [14:51] how i cant found this :( [14:51] Bokica: note the big warning in red text and also keep in mind that it's unsupported and probably insecure in a bunch of other ways [14:51] thanks a lot [14:51] Bokica: I wondered that too, since it was the first result when I Google searched it ;) [14:51] :D [14:52] i cant opened that page before [14:52] i dont know why [14:53] thanks a lot againg [14:53] again* [14:53] you're welcome [20:03] ooh, Edubuntu meeting time! [20:04] oops [23:02] hi. an alternative to using edubuntu in the classroom besides ltsp would be a private cloud? [23:02] hi HedgeMage [23:03] sbleavene around anymore? [23:05] Hi Ahmuck-Jr [23:05] He hasn't shown up for a long time [23:06] Too much work, I guess... [23:06] Yeah, I was wondering about Scott as well. [23:06] Did he say adios or...? [23:06] did he leave after me? [23:07] hi dgroos long time no chat [23:07] sorta :) [23:07] has the edubuntu team looked at anything besides ltsp? [23:07] sometimes these things can be a bit too asynchronous... [23:07] such as ldap/nfs, etc. combo or cloud ? [23:07] To satisfy what needs? [23:07] well, ltsp simply didn't work for us [23:08] ldap and nfs can be installed on edubuntu, sure... there are how-tos for that [23:08] Why not? I mean, what are your specific requirements? [23:08] in edubutu, does it cover multiple stable setups? [23:08] alkisg: something that works :) [23:08] ltsp works for thousand of people [23:08] Maybe your needs are different, but you need to state them if you want us to propose something to you [23:10] Ahmuck-Jr. may I guess that it is the challenges of using LTSP on top of all the other challenges of using open source software in general or might I say technology in general? [23:10] ...the problem solving never seems to end... [23:11] hrm, i went through about 5 different machine configurations, and something didn't work quite correctly on each platform. the next step was buy new machines, and that wasn't in the budget [23:11] on that note :) ... alkisg: I've just got my computers set up and am testing sch-scripts... [23:11] sound, SDL, video, firefox/flash, something [23:12] Ahmuck-Jr: well, if it's a hardware problem with linux (no drivers for specific hardware), then you'd need different hardware or OS, edubuntu doesn't have any drivers that linux doesn't already have [23:12] I can relate--wondering how to make sound work properly right now, but it isn't the challenge in front of me at this second... [23:13] So, if one standalone edubuntu installation doesn't work for you, there's no point in looking at nfs, ldap etc [23:13] That comes *after* the hardware is working [23:13] standalone worked great [23:13] it was through ltsp that it failed [23:14] Then try fat clients, it's like standalone installations [23:14] sorry, i timed out [23:14] With central authentication + nfs [23:14] alkisg: like i said, another set of machines, not in the budget [23:14] but i have wondered about private clouds [23:14] and if anybody tried them [23:14] alkisg: can you help with this sch-script question? I'm running sch-script on a client right now and tried to share a screen and got this... [23:15] sch-scripts error: XAUTHORITY is not defined [23:15] /usr/share/sch-scripts/scripts/server/runas-sudo-user: 1: cannot create /var/log/sch-scripts.log: Permission denied [23:15] seriously, i'm not here to bug about ltsp, but rather to find out if anybody has tried other "classroom" confiuraitons [23:15] Ahmuck-Jr_: I've tried fat clients, they work great for me. Boot in 13 seconds instead of 50 locally, and have nfs + cental authentication out of the box. [23:15] (with ltsp) [23:16] dgroos1: where are you seeing those messages? [23:16] thanks === Ahmuck-Jr_ is now known as Ahmuck-Jr [23:17] Ahmuck-Jr_: and, google earth, firefox, flash etc everything works fine, they're exactly like standalone installations [23:17] Ahmuck-Jr_ would it be helpful if there were an image of a server, basically all set up with just a few things to customize that already all the programs, NAT forwarding (pretty much) plugins installed, etc? [23:17] alkisg: i know it works for you. didn't for me [23:17] You tried fat clients? That's lucid-only... [23:18] never bothered with lucid. closed the ltsp lab by that point [23:18] Right, that's what I'm saying, it's something new [23:18] That is what I would like, a huge disk image that I could use Clonezilla and blast it onto my server... [23:18] lucid is pre-setup? [23:18] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients [23:19] Fat client support in ltsp was implemented in lucid, not before [23:19] It's an alternative to thin clients, a completely different model [23:19] alkisg: I see them on the terminal. To start sch-scripts I typed in a client's terminal: sudo sch-scripts [23:20] so anybody hear from Scott? [23:21] dgroos1: so, you're using a thin client setup (with localapps), you have sch-scripts installed on the server and sch-client on the chroot, and run sch-scripts from a client, and get a xauthority error? [23:21] and when I do commands on the gui, there is output on the terminal. [23:21] hmmm... not sure if I installed sch-client... [23:22] Are the clients autodetected? [23:22] YES! [23:22] ***before logging in to ldm***? [23:22] yes [23:22] OK, then you have sch-client installed [23:23] Does lock screen etc work? [23:23] lock screen did, control did not. Also, couldn't get the full name option to work. [23:23] OK, let's take this one by one [23:24] (you're not using our setup instructions, as they're specific to our setups, so you might be missing something) [23:24] sure [23:24] Do you have x11vnc installed on the chroot? [23:24] alkisg: i hear your going for your masters? [23:25] (it's installed automatically for us, it's on the sch-client "Recommends:" list) [23:25] not sure I'll check [23:25] Ahmuck-Jr: no, I got that already, I'm doing my phd currently (taken a leave of absense from teaching) [23:25] ah [23:25] btw, noticed greece was in trouble financially, how did that affect you? [23:26] They cut off about 200€ from our salaries... but after the EU ...loan (I don't know the word) it looks like it's going to stabilize now [23:28] I went to synaptic, typed in x11vnc and it says that it's installed... [23:28] Ahmuck-Jr: so, if standalone edubuntu installations are working for you, what more are you looking for? Ease of installation? Shared /home? [23:28] dgroos1: no, not on the server [23:28] Hmmm wait [23:28] Thin clients, so yeah, on the server [23:29] So you're seeing the clients with thumbnails, and when you double click on them, you get that xauthority message? [23:30] Yes, also then. [23:31] OK. Does teacher "broadcasting" works? === Ahmuck-Jr_ is now known as Ahmuck-Jr [23:31] (showing the teacher screen) [23:31] I think I translated that as, 'share teacher screen' and it also doesn't work, giving the identical xauthority error [23:32] One thing is, I think that it things the teacher screen is the server and not the thin client I'm logged into. Is that possible? [23:33] It may be, in our case the teacher is always sitting at the server. But I'm interested on fixing that, if that's a bug... [23:33] (btw we just implemented a "create a bunch of users" feature, it'll be out in september) [23:34] cool :) [23:34] dgroos1: if you run echo $XAUTHORITY, you do get something, right? [23:34] (on the thin client, logged on as the "teacher") [23:35] In a new terminal I typed that in and a blank line was returned. [23:35] Then there's something very wrong with your setup... hmm... [23:35] Let me boot a thin client and compare.. [23:37] You know, I'm also accessing the server via NX and tried to type in echo $XAUTHORITY and there too a blank line was returned... [23:39] And, I logged into the server via ssh as another user and got the same blank line returned... [23:39] dgroos1: can you try closing sch-scripts, and running this? [23:39] ready... :) [23:39] sudo XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority sch-scripts [23:42] it opens sch-scripts. When I try to share-screen it give 4 lines of this: cat: /proc/2424/environ: Permission denied [23:42] then produces multitudes of lines of this: ** (vinagre:6541): WARNING **: Resolving failed: Timeout reached [23:43] forgot to mention, it opens a Remote Desktop Viewer window. [23:43] OK, let me try running sch-scripts locally from a thin client (as opposed from the server), and I'll tell you in a while how that goes for me. [23:43] 'k [23:44] l8r [23:56] alkisg: I just went to the server (I've had the door unlocked) and tried sch-scripts on that and it didn't work like it had before. I wonder if NX interferes with it? [23:57] dgroos1: if problems happen, the sch-scripts sometimes needs restarting to get right again. [23:57] Now problems happened because you run sch-scripts on a thin client, and the code wasn't ready for that [23:57] So... in other words, something has happened to my install as it used to work on the server, at least. should I reboot the server? [23:57] No [23:57] sudo restart sch-scripts [23:57] But you'd have to reboot the clients though [23:58] I saw the problem, trying to get sch-scripts to run from a thin client... [23:59] (it's not only xauthority, it's dbus too)