[03:17] <wolfraven> Hello Room!  Can anyone help me with edubuntu resources.  I need good resources for developing a presentation to our Schools board of directors on why we should expose our students to edubuntu....
[03:19] <wolfraven> I am sure this wheel has already been invented several times and I really don't feel like spending too much effort reinventing it if someone can show me where the wheel yard is :)
[03:22] <wolfraven> We are about to receive a large donation of computers and we are in the early stages of discussing our computer resource implementation plan and I feel we should utilize edubuntu for many reasons, just wonder if anyone knows links to presentations that will highlight those reasons.
[06:48] <chris143> having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas?????
[06:51] <chris143> installed 10.04 alternate CD but did not choose LTSP at install.. later I installed ltsp-standalone-server... all other client features work (localdev, video etc.) but no sound.. where should I look?
[07:01] <chris143> having problems with client audio on ubuntu 10.04 ltsp-standalone-server.. SOUND=True, but no sound... verified the client audio capabilities already using 8.04 ltsp server that works with audio.. fresh install of 10.04 not an upgrade.. any ideas?????
[14:23] <Bokica> hi
[14:23] <Bokica> i need a little help
[14:23] <Bokica> can somebody tell me from where i can download edubuntu 7.1
[14:23] <Bokica> because all links that i found was death
[14:24] <Bokica> ??
[14:42] <highvoltage> Bokica: Hi
[14:43] <highvoltage> Why Edubuntu 7.10? It's ancient :)
[14:49] <Bokica> yeah i know
[14:50] <Bokica> but i really need that version
[14:50] <highvoltage> Bokica: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/7.10/
[14:51] <Bokica> how i cant found this :(
[14:51] <highvoltage> Bokica: note the big warning in red text and also keep in mind that it's unsupported and probably insecure in a bunch of other ways
[14:51] <Bokica> thanks a lot
[14:51] <highvoltage> Bokica: I wondered that too, since it was the first result when I Google searched it ;)
[14:51] <Bokica> :D
[14:52] <Bokica> i cant opened that page before
[14:52] <Bokica> i dont know why
[14:53] <Bokica> thanks a lot againg
[14:53] <Bokica> again*
[14:53] <highvoltage> you're welcome
[20:03] <highvoltage> ooh, Edubuntu meeting time!
[20:04] <alkisg> oops
[23:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi. an alternative to using edubuntu in the classroom besides ltsp would be a private cloud?
[23:02] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi HedgeMage
[23:03] <Ahmuck-Jr> sbleavene around anymore?
[23:05] <dgroos1> Hi Ahmuck-Jr
[23:05] <alkisg> He hasn't shown up for a long time
[23:06] <alkisg> Too much work, I guess...
[23:06] <dgroos1> Yeah, I was wondering about Scott as well.
[23:06] <dgroos1> Did he say adios or...?
[23:06] <Ahmuck-Jr> did he leave after me?
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> hi dgroos long time no chat
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> sorta :)
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> has the edubuntu team looked at anything besides ltsp?
[23:07] <dgroos1> sometimes these things can be a bit too asynchronous...
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> such as ldap/nfs, etc. combo or cloud ?
[23:07] <alkisg> To satisfy what needs?
[23:07] <Ahmuck-Jr> well, ltsp simply didn't work for us
[23:08] <alkisg> ldap and nfs can be installed on edubuntu, sure... there are how-tos for that
[23:08] <alkisg> Why not? I mean, what are your specific requirements?
[23:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> in edubutu, does it cover multiple stable setups?
[23:08] <Ahmuck-Jr> alkisg: something that works :)
[23:08] <alkisg> ltsp works for thousand of people
[23:08] <alkisg> Maybe your needs are different, but you need to state them if you want us to propose something to you
[23:10] <dgroos1> Ahmuck-Jr.  may I guess that it is the challenges of using LTSP on top of all the other challenges of using open source software in general or might I say technology in general?
[23:10] <dgroos1> ...the problem solving never seems to end...
[23:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> hrm, i went through about 5 different machine configurations, and something didn't work quite correctly on each platform.  the next step was buy new machines, and that wasn't in the budget
[23:11] <dgroos1> on that note :) ... alkisg:  I've just got my computers set up and am testing sch-scripts...
[23:11] <Ahmuck-Jr> sound, SDL, video, firefox/flash, something
[23:12] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr: well, if it's a hardware problem with linux (no drivers for specific hardware), then you'd need different hardware or OS, edubuntu doesn't have any drivers that linux doesn't already have
[23:12] <dgroos1> I can relate--wondering how to make sound work properly right now, but it isn't the challenge in front of me at this second...
[23:13] <alkisg> So, if one standalone edubuntu installation doesn't work for you, there's no point in looking at nfs, ldap etc
[23:13] <alkisg> That comes *after* the hardware is working
[23:13] <Ahmuck-Jr_> standalone worked great
[23:13] <Ahmuck-Jr_> it was through ltsp that it failed
[23:14] <alkisg> Then try fat clients, it's like standalone installations
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> sorry, i timed out
[23:14] <alkisg> With central authentication + nfs
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> alkisg: like i said, another set of machines, not in the budget
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> but i have wondered about private clouds
[23:14] <Ahmuck-Jr_> and if anybody tried them
[23:14] <dgroos1> alkisg: can you help with this sch-script question?  I'm running sch-script on a client right now and tried to share a screen and got this...
[23:15] <dgroos1> sch-scripts error: XAUTHORITY is not defined
[23:15] <dgroos1> /usr/share/sch-scripts/scripts/server/runas-sudo-user: 1: cannot create /var/log/sch-scripts.log: Permission denied
[23:15] <Ahmuck-Jr_> seriously, i'm not here to bug about ltsp, but rather to find out if anybody has tried other "classroom" confiuraitons
[23:15] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr_: I've tried fat clients, they work great for me. Boot in 13 seconds instead of 50 locally, and have nfs + cental authentication out of the box.
[23:15] <alkisg> (with ltsp)
[23:16] <alkisg> dgroos1: where are you seeing those messages?
[23:16] <Ahmuck-Jr_> thanks
[23:17] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr_: and, google earth, firefox, flash etc everything works fine, they're exactly like standalone installations
[23:17] <dgroos1> Ahmuck-Jr_ would it be helpful if there were an image of a server, basically all set up with just a few things to customize that already all the programs, NAT forwarding (pretty much) plugins installed, etc?
[23:17] <Ahmuck-Jr> alkisg: i know it works for you.  didn't for me
[23:17] <alkisg> You tried fat clients? That's lucid-only...
[23:18] <Ahmuck-Jr> never bothered with lucid.  closed the ltsp lab by that point
[23:18] <alkisg> Right, that's what I'm saying, it's something new
[23:18] <dgroos1> That is what I would like, a huge disk image that I could use Clonezilla and blast it onto my server...
[23:18] <Ahmuck-Jr> lucid is pre-setup?
[23:18] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
[23:19] <alkisg> Fat client support in ltsp was implemented in lucid, not before
[23:19] <alkisg> It's an alternative to thin clients, a completely different model
[23:19] <dgroos1> alkisg: I see them on the terminal.  To start sch-scripts I typed in a client's terminal: sudo sch-scripts
[23:20] <Ahmuck-Jr> so anybody hear from Scott?
[23:21] <alkisg> dgroos1: so, you're using a thin client setup (with localapps), you have sch-scripts installed on the server and sch-client on the chroot, and run sch-scripts from a client, and get a xauthority error?
[23:21] <dgroos1> and when I do commands on the gui, there is output on the terminal.
[23:21] <dgroos1> hmmm... not sure if I installed sch-client...
[23:22] <alkisg> Are the clients autodetected?
[23:22] <dgroos1> YES!
[23:22] <alkisg> ***before logging in to ldm***?
[23:22] <dgroos1> yes
[23:22] <alkisg> OK, then you have sch-client installed
[23:23] <alkisg> Does lock screen etc work?
[23:23] <dgroos1> lock screen did, control did not.  Also, couldn't get the full name option to work.
[23:23] <alkisg> OK, let's take this one by one
[23:24] <alkisg> (you're not using our setup instructions, as they're specific to our setups, so you might be missing something)
[23:24] <dgroos1> sure
[23:24] <alkisg> Do you have x11vnc installed on the chroot?
[23:24] <Ahmuck-Jr> alkisg: i hear your going for your masters?
[23:25] <alkisg> (it's installed automatically for us, it's on the sch-client "Recommends:" list)
[23:25] <dgroos1> not sure I'll check
[23:25] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr: no, I got that already, I'm doing my phd currently (taken a leave of absense from teaching)
[23:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> ah
[23:25] <Ahmuck-Jr> btw, noticed greece was in trouble financially, how did that affect you?
[23:26] <alkisg> They cut off about 200€ from our salaries... but after the EU ...loan (I don't know the word) it looks like it's going to stabilize now
[23:28] <dgroos1> I went to synaptic, typed in x11vnc and it says that it's installed...
[23:28] <alkisg> Ahmuck-Jr: so, if standalone edubuntu installations are working for you, what more are you looking for? Ease of installation? Shared /home?
[23:28] <alkisg> dgroos1: no, not on the server
[23:28] <alkisg> Hmmm wait
[23:28] <alkisg> Thin clients, so yeah, on the server
[23:29] <alkisg> So you're seeing the clients with thumbnails, and when you double click on them, you get that xauthority message?
[23:30] <dgroos1> Yes, also then.
[23:31] <alkisg> OK. Does teacher "broadcasting" works?
[23:31] <alkisg> (showing the teacher screen)
[23:31] <dgroos1> I think I translated that as, 'share teacher screen' and it also doesn't work, giving the identical xauthority error
[23:32] <dgroos1> One thing is, I think that it things the teacher screen is the server and not the thin client I'm logged into.  Is that possible?
[23:33] <alkisg> It may be, in our case the teacher is always sitting at the server. But I'm interested on fixing that, if that's a bug...
[23:33] <alkisg> (btw we just implemented a "create a bunch of users" feature, it'll be out in september)
[23:34] <dgroos1> cool :)
[23:34] <alkisg> dgroos1: if you run echo $XAUTHORITY, you do get something, right?
[23:34] <alkisg> (on the thin client, logged on as the "teacher")
[23:35] <dgroos1> In a new terminal I typed that in and a blank line was returned.
[23:35] <alkisg> Then there's something very wrong with your setup... hmm...
[23:35] <alkisg> Let me boot a thin client and compare..
[23:37] <dgroos1> You know, I'm also accessing the server via NX and tried to type in echo $XAUTHORITY and there too a blank line was returned...
[23:39] <dgroos1> And, I logged into the server via ssh as another user and got the same blank line returned...
[23:39] <alkisg> dgroos1: can you try closing sch-scripts, and running this?
[23:39] <dgroos1> ready... :)
[23:39] <alkisg> sudo XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority sch-scripts
[23:42] <dgroos1> it opens sch-scripts.  When I try to share-screen it give 4 lines of this: cat: /proc/2424/environ: Permission denied
[23:42] <dgroos1> then produces multitudes of lines of this: ** (vinagre:6541): WARNING **: Resolving failed: Timeout reached
[23:43] <dgroos1> forgot to mention, it opens a Remote Desktop Viewer window.
[23:43] <alkisg> OK, let me try running sch-scripts locally from a thin client (as opposed from the server), and I'll tell you in a while how that goes for me.
[23:43] <dgroos1> 'k
[23:44] <Ahmuck-Jr> l8r
[23:56] <dgroos1> alkisg: I just went to the server (I've had the door unlocked) and tried sch-scripts on that and it didn't work like it had before.  I wonder if NX interferes with it?
[23:57] <alkisg> dgroos1: if problems happen, the sch-scripts sometimes needs restarting to get right again.
[23:57] <alkisg> Now problems happened because you run sch-scripts on a thin client, and the code wasn't ready for that
[23:57] <dgroos1> So... in other words, something has happened to my install as it used to work on the server, at least.  should I reboot the server?
[23:57] <alkisg> No
[23:57] <alkisg> sudo restart sch-scripts
[23:57] <alkisg> But you'd have to reboot the clients though
[23:58] <alkisg> I saw the problem, trying to get sch-scripts to run from a thin client...
[23:59] <alkisg> (it's not only xauthority, it's dbus too)