[00:01] apachelogger: voila ^^ [00:09] hey Riddell, i just filed a bug to update the kubuntu-mobile seed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/623662 [00:09] Launchpad bug 623662 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "kubuntu-mobile seed needs to be updated" [Undecided,New] [00:09] :-) [00:10] Riddell, and I think that http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings is ok :-) [00:12] rbelem: great, will get to that tomorrow [00:14] Riddell, I think that i do not need to submit a patch, it just needed to replace kubuntu-netbook-default-settings by kubuntu-mobile-default-settings :-) [00:15] Riddell, thanks :-) === jjesse is now known as jjesse-netbook === em is now known as emma [05:54] good morning kubuntu [05:54] Riddell: ping === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:26] * apachelogger loves how in rekonq you cannot load a blank page [06:27] and now my default favorites are all messed up :O [06:55] apachelogger, ping [06:56] rbelem: pong [06:56] rbelem: can you please create a bzr branch for the default settings? ;) [06:56] apachelogger, wow you still awake. what is your timezone? [06:56] :-D [06:56] UTC+2 [06:56] I am awake again ;) [06:56] apachelogger, yep [06:57] eheheh [06:57] 8am here [06:57] :-D [06:57] it is 01:57 here [06:57] am [06:57] ^^ [06:58] i'm at -0400 [06:59] shadeslayer: rekonqs code style is not very attracting [06:59] apachelogger, i updated the startkde patch [07:00] apachelogger, http://paste.ubuntu.com/483273/ [07:00] apachelogger, should i file a new bug for it? [07:00] rbelem: did the old one get uploaded already? [07:01] hum... i do not remember [07:02] yeah, it is in the branch [07:02] rbelem: do you need it for the beta? [07:02] yep :-) [07:02] ok [07:02] uploading then [07:03] cool! thanks a lot apachelogger :-D [07:05] hm [07:05] * apachelogger bzr blames Riddell for commenting out 07_kdmrc_defaults_kubuntu.diff [07:06] that patch does more than change a string [07:06] * apachelogger is going to remove the string change and turns the patch back on [07:15] rbelem: did you intentionally go from elif [ -e /usr/share/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings/share/autostart/plasma-mobile.desktop ]; then [07:15] to a standalone if? [07:16] apachelogger, yep [07:17] oki [07:17] apachelogger, that's why if we install plasma-netbook packages it will no longer able to use plasma-mobile [07:18] *nod* [07:18] Riddell: for mav+1 we should trim the kds path [07:18] /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/ [07:18] that kde4-profile/default stuff is completely pointless and ugly [07:22] rbelem: with that change kmds should depend or recommend kds (BTW) [07:37] [ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100825063731-t8s0x918oqkcdz5l * debian/ (README.source changelog control ubuntu-sso-qt.install) prepare for archive [07:48] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100825064812-v94qdjynxbqqpfr0 * debian/ (changelog control) prepare for archive [07:52] jjesse-netbook: are you also getting logged out of facebook all the time with rekonq? [07:53] apachelogger, is it ok to leave kds on recommends? [07:54] rbelem: yes [07:54] probably more appropriate anyway [07:54] cool :-) [07:58] sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but are recent (22-24/8) dailies supposed to fullly install? I tried and the GUI reported success, but looking at the result there was no initrd image, grub wasn't installed and the main user wasn't created (this was a user-customized partitioning install) [08:12] [kdebase-workspace] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100825071228-3x296ormy48i3n3a * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) [08:12] * Remove string changes from 07_kdmrc_defaults_kubuntu.diff and reactivate the [08:12] patch because it does other important things besides changing i18ns * Update [08:21] agateau: hey, can you do something about bug 541920 [08:21] Launchpad bug 541920 in amarok (Ubuntu) "No icon for Amarok in indicator-applet" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541920 [08:22] * agateau clicks [08:23] ehm [08:23] oh [08:23] rbelem just broke the defaults -.- [08:26] apachelogger: afaik it's fixed for me. what do you want me to do? [08:26] in Ubuntu it's fixed? [08:28] agateau: close the bug or something ^^ [08:28] valorie: if we are still carrying the ugly GNOME_SESSION fix, it is [08:28] err DESKTOP_SESSION [08:29] hmmm, 9 hours ago a reporter is saying it isn't fixed [08:32] Will qt4-x11 from maverick be backported to ppa:kubuntu-backports? (bug 614699) [08:33] Launchpad bug 614699 in Kubuntu PPA "Qt 4.7.0 breaks QX11EmbedWidget" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614699 [08:54] valorie: let me check if we still carry the patch, then [08:55] valorie: we do [08:56] so we should just tell ubuntuneros to update? [08:56] wow, ubuntu users [08:56] geez [08:59] [ktouch] sitter * 1167743 * trunk/KDE/kdeedu/ktouch/training/dvorak.ktouch.xml Change 'cunts' into 'cheap' so that edubuntu people can sleep well again. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/622592 [08:59] Launchpad bug 622592 in kdeedu (Ubuntu) "KTouch lecture contains a swear word" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:00] oh, my [09:02] [ktouch] sitter * 1167744 * trunk/KDE/kdeedu/ktouch/training/dvorak.ktouch.xml oh, another change slipped in - revert :) [09:02] valorie: let me switch to gnome to be 100% sure it is fixed [09:03] [ktouch] sitter * 1167745 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdeedu/ktouch/training/dvorak.ktouch.xml backport r1167743/r1167744 Change 'cunts' into 'cheap' so that edubuntu people can sleep well again. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/+bug/622592 [09:03] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/622592) [09:06] valorie: back from gnomy land [09:06] valorie: it's definitely fixed [09:06] oh very cool [09:07] in lucid, or will they have to wait for 10.10? [09:10] valorie: I just tested in Maverick, but the fix was in Lucid, assuming it was not dropped [09:10] super! [09:10] valorie: my Lucid machine is being painful these days so I can't test right now [09:11] * valorie is about to make the jump to Mav [09:11] on Sat. - global jam [09:11] if I can backup my /home by then [09:14] agateau: thanks for looking into this *hug* [09:15] apachelogger: no pb [09:15] apachelogger: thanks for raising the issue [09:15] no gnomies have stopped in to report it's been fixed [09:16] so I didn't know [09:16] ungrateful little varmints [09:21] lol [09:22] reformatting the hateful new drive [09:22] I hope I did it right [09:25] * apachelogger creates a plasmoid so he knows how much longer he must excited about getting a new laptop [09:25] ups tracker plasmoid? [09:26] no, a countdown plasmoid [09:26] valorie: for all them silly tracker APIs you need to sign up for some special subscription program thingy [09:26] ah [09:27] I just use their site [09:27] * apachelogger already wanted to create a tracker for fedex due to gsoc, but ... [09:27] so last millenium.... [09:27] yep [09:27] you are young [09:27] plasmoids are the future [09:27] I'm old [09:27] lol [09:27] unlike rekonq which eats my keyboard input [09:28] * valorie gave up on rekonq earlier [09:28] it crashed on me twice [09:28] so, back to konq for awhile [09:28] * apachelogger really does not get while some say it works perfect and others have nothing but trouble [09:28] s/while/why [09:29] * apachelogger is scared of opening kontact since he upgraded to 4.5b2 ^^ [09:29] heck, I don't even use kmail right now [09:30] that is also scary [09:30] hopefully my son will get our mail server configured again, and then I'll do it [09:30] yes, so I've heard [09:30] which is why I'm not bugging him [09:30] gmail will work for now [09:40] apachelogger, If you're happier with k-m-d-s before the most recent upload, just push the older revision (I advocated it, aside from my comments). [09:43] persia: ok [09:43] debian/copyright ought get fixed (preamble addition), but that's fairly minor. [09:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/483282/ is what I suggested to rbelem, but it might get in without the change [09:44] Sorry for the confusion. I think I don't like the kiosk override architecture, but I now understand it. [09:53] dang, the hd finally finished formatting [09:53] is Kparted a good choice to partition it? [09:55] valorie: partitionmanager [09:55] !info partitionmanager [09:55] partitionmanager (source: partitionmanager): A partition management utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1ubuntu3 (lucid), package size 423 kB, installed size 2836 kB [09:56] I'll take your advice, thanks! [09:58] it does look like the best of the bunch [10:05] ooh rekonq and flash are lovelyness after the QX11Embed update [10:14] valorie: when is visualization arriving in amarok2? [10:14] thanks for fixing kdebase-workspace apachelogger [10:14] no problem [10:15] Riddell: do we need a FFe for kmds? [10:15] apachelogger: when phonon fully supports them [10:15] our gsoc student has them working now [10:15] but they crash at the end of the song [10:16] I was discussing bribing j-b to do the necessary work [10:16] with a nice bottle of french liqueur [10:16] but I never collared him [10:16] valorie: is it commited somwhere? [10:17] uh [10:17] I'm sure it is [10:17] let me see if I can find a link in -devel ml [10:20] valorie: also do you have junior jobs over at amarok? [10:20] yes [10:20] apachelogger: I believe so, if you file it I can approve it [10:20] how many, I don't know [10:20] but yes [10:23] Riddell: bug 623870 [10:23] Launchpad bug 623870 in Ubuntu "FFe for kubuntu-mobile-default-settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623870 [10:24] apachelogger: approved! [10:24] cheers [10:27] ohm [10:27] still not translatable [10:27] meh [10:27] * apachelogger fixes that [10:28] or is it now [10:28] * apachelogger pokes [10:29] ah should be [10:29] dantti_work: is now a good time to take that kpackagekit snapshot? [10:29] Riddell: kmds uploaded [10:34] accepted! [10:34] thanks [10:34] remind me in a bit about the binary [10:34] and the seed change [10:35] now, anyone know why I'm not getting upgrade notifications from kubuntu-notification-helper [10:40] riddell, in lucid or mav? [10:40] I'm getting them very intermittently in lucid [10:41] Riddell: knh should not give upgrade notifications? [10:41] kpk's smarticon thingy should do that [10:43] apachelogger: that would explain it then [10:56] Hey guys, how do you like this one: http://a.imageshack.us/img824/4237/techspecs2.jpg ? :D [11:02] sheytan: how would that list be maintained? [11:05] apachelogger https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ :) [11:06] that is not very up-to-date and ubuntu [11:06] kubuntu does not necessarily work on the same hardware as ubuntu [11:06] especially not when it comes to graphics [11:07] anyway it's ok to have such list for users ;) [11:07] and that differences might only be because of KDE effects, right? [11:09] yes [11:09] well [11:09] I am just saying [11:09] mind that maintenance effort do not exceed use [11:09] sheytan: looks hot though [11:10] yep, thank you :) [11:11] * apachelogger is wondering what to cook today [11:12] apachelogger: stirfry. [11:13] pancakes! [11:15] reindeer! [11:23] ok, wow http://web.archive.org/web/20080504160816/behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonathanRiddell/ [11:35] valorie: if you need bribing j-b i can do that in mountain view in person ;-) [11:48] no blizzz [12:05] we are fresh out of blizzz [12:07] Aha! That's why kde4libs was wanting to be compiled with utempter: * Fix install files in kdebase-workspace-bin now kwrited is a kded [12:07] Sorry for breaking -workspace. How was I to know? :P [12:08] JontheEchidna: don't worry, I broke it in different ways :) [12:08] ;-) [12:08] * apachelogger reminds everyone that without failure every once in a while one easily gets accused of cheating :P [12:09] hm [12:10] is our kdepim beta built against a different Qt version? [12:10] * apachelogger gets different themeing for some reason [12:11] hm [12:12] akonadi && nepomuk && dbus pretty much overload my system [12:12] nu kdepim made dbus use 98 MB of RAMz last I tried it :( [12:12] no kmail2 for me [12:13] :O [12:13] that must have been a dbus memleak [12:13] unless a super large mail got passed to nepomuk [12:13] which is also entirely possible [12:16] * jussi note Riddell liked the reindeer while in Finland... [12:16] bbiab [12:33] Riddell: 3 out of 4 default favorites in rekonq are not useful in localized enviornments [12:33] especially kubuntu forums disturbs me there [12:34] since it is not official and not useful to 90% of earths population [12:35] sadly not easy to localise I think [12:35] well, I think we should drop kubuntu forums [12:35] surely kubuntu forums are useful to a fair proportion of kubuntu users though? [12:36] Riddell: if they know how to, and if they want to request support in english [12:37] most people know how to use forums [12:37] with kubuntu.org and kde.org you at least have options to switch to localized versions if you manage to navigate [12:37] Riddell: in english [12:37] english english english [12:37] last time I used it was even asking me silly questions someone from asia might not even be able to answer because they were completely USish [12:38] further more it does not implement new kubuntu branding which hurts the CI [12:38] apachelogger: talk to claydoh about that, he maintains the forum [12:39] claydoh: ^ [12:39] I told him [12:39] seems better than nothing [12:39] it has never had decent artwork that site [12:39] kubuntu.org has a nice get help section [12:40] if the user knows enough english to walk through that he will be able to get localized support [12:40] Just fyi, akonadi doesn't pass mails around over dbus, so that wouldn't cause the high ram usage [12:40] steveire: then the library the mail feeder uses uses dbus [12:40] something is clearly eating away on dbus [12:41] Right, dbus is used, but not for transferring mails [12:41] A local socket is used for tha actual transfer [12:41] so what is dbus used for? [12:42] Notifications. Things like 'A new email has just arrived in the inbox' or 'the contact in the addressbook foo was just changed' [12:42] That triggers the applications to get the new item. Or if the notification is 'email foo was deleted' the thing is just removed from the ui [12:43] Riddell: if you absolutely want a forum there, then let us at least use forum.kde.org [12:43] for it does not look like it got stuck in the 1990's and lists a quite a few localized forums [12:43] steveire: ah, I see [12:44] so I suppose what jontheechidna was getting was indeed a dbus memleak [12:45] apachelogger: that seems like a nice idea [12:45] ok [12:46] Riddell: lets change the order then ... google - kubuntu - userbase - forum [12:46] Yes, it could be that. [12:46] Nightrose: KDE is ok with us having forum.kde.org in rekonq's default list of favorites? [12:47] apachelogger: ok [12:47] apachelogger: i can't see why not [12:47] oki [12:47] Riddell: is that a patch? [12:47] apachelogger: yes kubuntu_05_default_homepages.diff [12:47] ok, thanks [12:49] shadeslayer: pingy [12:52] Riddell: why are we not setting that via kds? [12:53] seems it supports setting it via rekonqrc [12:53] apachelogger: if that can be done then go ahead [12:57] Riddell: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopsx1746 [13:02] apachelogger: groovy [13:16] apachelogger do you develop rekonq? [13:17] no [13:17] do you know who? [13:17] I very much think that the lead author would not like me :P [13:17] sheytan: #reknq [13:17] #rekonq [13:20] Riddell: new kds copyright -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/483405/ did I forget someone? [13:20] * apachelogger notes that bzr log is horrible [13:21] * nigelb notes that bzr gui is nicer [13:22] last I checked it was all rather... not-integrated [13:23] I only use it for one thing, backporting patches [13:23] Its helps figure out nicely which files where changed in a commit [13:23] apachelogger: seems about right [13:24] ok, uploading then [13:26] [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100825122627-90is7d2acvvzsixr * (6 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed) [13:26] * Add rekonqrc to set default favorites (replaces patch in rekonq) * Bump [13:26] standards to 3.9.1 * Long due copyright update * Build-depend on pkg-kde-tools [13:29] qtcreator 2.0.1 released :) [13:29] * debfx starts packaging [13:31] ofirk: going to come to the summit? http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/ [13:31] [sysadmin] jmthomas * 1167829 * trunk/ (extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ kdereview/libqapt/) Move to extragear/sysadmin [13:31] JontheEchidna: congratulations ^^ [13:31] :) [13:32] apachelogger: btw, where does one configure CIA-71 again? [13:32] * JontheEchidna seems to have lost the urly and cannot find it again [13:32] cia.vc [13:33] I knew that much :P [13:33] oh, wasn't logged in, even though it said "your account" [13:55] JontheEchidna: well yes, there you get to your account once you are logged in, obviously ;) [13:55] * apachelogger finds that silly naming [14:22] * apachelogger hates how rekonq crashes with flash -.- [14:23] Riddell: yes, now is a good time for that, yesterday I finish all things I'd like to fix in it and asked translators to do their magic [14:24] Riddell: btw the patches that you applied in kcm settings will probably break [14:24] apachelogger: pong [14:24] Riddell: imo it'd be better to only hid the update section, we could work on something for it don't be so empty... [14:26] shadeslayer: why did you only deactivate the patches in rekonq? [14:26] I recon apt stuff is surely available upstream and the other stuff also seems dated [14:26] apachelogger: forwarded upstream [14:26] oh [14:26] you mean remove them? [14:28] yes [14:28] you only commented them out in debian/patches/series [14:30] Riddell: I would have to creat a new patch with whatever ubuntu-sso-client does now and for that to get accepted I would have to sign the canonical contributor agreement thingy, which is something I am not particularly willing to do [14:32] apachelogger: you're not talking about rekonq now are you? [14:32] ah [14:32] Riddell: ubuntuone :) [14:32] sry [14:32] apachelogger: why does it need a new patch? [14:33] they reinvented the auth thing pretty much [14:33] again? [14:33] yes [14:33] I did not look into it yet [14:33] supposedly I could also enhance my Qt implementation to support the dbus interface enhancements (if any) [14:34] last I heared the syncdaemon does not require a patch anymore [14:36] why don't you want to sign the contributor agreement? [14:37] Riddell: I did not really find it reasonable (last I read it), neversfelde was not too keen on it either [14:38] from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SingleSignOn/UbuntuSsoClient it seems they reimplemented the thing completely -.- [14:39] apachelogger: my bad, but when do we disable patches then? [14:39] apachelogger: but i thought they had replaced ubuntu-auth with ubuntu-sso a while ago and you had handled it? [14:39] we dont [14:39] well [14:39] Riddell: no, but I wish I could :) [14:39] when there is reason to have them hang around [14:40] liek they come from debian and would get merged at next merge [14:40] in such a case you would just comment out the entry so they will not get merged [14:40] Riddell: yes, but then they replaced ubuntu-sso-client with ubuntu-sso-client which implements a completely new approach [14:41] ug [14:41] well, not completely new, just at a large scale in that it provides the ability to stack a GUI ontop of it [14:41] so when we update a package -> new source has that patch -> patch was from debian -> comment it [14:41] and hence make the browser window obsolete [14:41] Riddell: and I have to provide a patch for aptcc to improve the package status while installing/downloading [14:41] so now when you start ubuntuone in maverick you will get a window asking you to provide your ubuntu SSO data *or* allows you to create a new account etc. etc. [14:42] btw ill not be around starting tommorow till next friday, minor tests [14:43] apachelogger: btw rekonq dev in #rekonq now :D [14:43] Riddell: at least they exposed the API for the GUI foo via dbus so other guis can be easily implemented (which they apparently did because I was whinign about their original concept) [14:43] shadeslayer: reported bug [14:43] bug number [14:43] apachelogger: seems a shame to have got so far and then get blocked at the last minute [14:44] Riddell: I need to try that new foo, we could deploy ubuntuone-kde and use ubuntu-sso-client (with the GTK interface) [14:44] of course that comes at the price of no KWallet integration [14:47] Riddell: Thanks for remembering backports in your kdegraphics fixing. [14:49] I second that [14:52] ScottK: alas the security guy isn't awake to upload it to security [15:00] whoa [15:00] who uploaded all of KDE all over again? :P [15:01] 4.5.1 tagging today, FYI. [15:01] Riddell: Are we going to try to get 4.5.1 in before beta freeze? [15:01] goodness no [15:02] Riddell: btw is there still time for the application installer? I'm planning to start coding it this week (tough I must also study for Qt Essentials exam) [15:03] dantti_work: if it's the same Qt Essentials exam I did at Akademy you'll pass it without study [15:03] dantti_work: final freeze is sep 16th so it's pushing it close [15:03] ScottK: hmm I have a kdelibs patch that would be good to go into 4.5.1 but none replied to me in k-c-d do know who should I poke? [15:03] dantti_work: No idea. I'd ask Riddell. [15:03] Riddell: k, I think it's enough time [15:05] Riddell: do you think dfaure could help reviewing the KCMultiDialog patch? [15:06] dantti_work: I would expect so yes [15:07] k, thanks [15:07] but he's not online today, maybe he's away [15:07] yes, I just found that out :P [15:10] hey Riddell :-) [15:11] hi rbelem [15:12] Riddell, did you have time to take a look on the seed? :-) [15:12] hey apachelogger [15:13] rbelem: we need to wait until the package exists [15:13] and it hasn't compiled yet https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings/10.10.0ubuntu1/+build/1933726 [15:13] ah ok :-) [15:13] cool [15:13] thanks Riddell ;-) [15:25] Riddell: I've just sent you a patch with all the changes since last upstream release of PK [15:36] o.O, time to write the Kubuntu team's monthly report for august [15:47] Riddell: qtcreator package is ready: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/qtcreator_2.0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [15:47] the private header files don't seem to be necessary anymore [15:47] debfx: any new features? [15:48] Riddell: nope, just bug fixes [15:48] groovy [15:51] Riddell: KOffice 2.2.2 is in Maverick, right? [15:55] ulysses: yes, that should get an upstream release today too [15:55] Riddell: thanks [15:59] Skeleton of the report for august ready: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReports [16:02] lovely thanks ulysses [16:02] ScottK: did you get the email from jono that says, "I think you could be awesome on the board." ? [16:03] how about anyone else under ~ubuntu-dev ^^ [16:03] not me [16:04] hrmm, i figured he just mass emailed a group of devs because he used my @gmail.com addy and not @ubuntu/@kubuntu [16:05] argh, gotta reboot this server...it is having some weird issue every few boots or so..brb [16:05] anyone want to package the new kmess? === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [16:10] * ScottK guesses that reboot didn't go so well. [16:13] dantti_work: about your patches: you should try putting them on reviewboard.kde.org, you may get more people to look at them this way (but no warranty!) [16:14] agateau: I hope you remember my kopete preferences problem. I still have it and am hoping you can work on it .... [16:16] ScottK: when I looked at it, I couldn't reproduce it, that makes it difficult to fix :/ [16:16] agateau: So you get a scroll bar in the plugins page? [16:16] * agateau checks again [16:16] nixternal: Yes. I got it. [16:17] figured...someone else had to have gotten it as well [16:17] I love how impersonal he makes what should have been a personal email [16:17] Mine was reasonably personalized. [16:18] (I know you have some concerns ....) [16:18] My response was something along the lines of "Since I think it will do more harm than good as currently defined, no." === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | Lets write a report: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TeamReports | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 [16:18] ScottK: "good" news, I think I can reproduce it now [16:19] agateau: That is good news. [16:19] Scott I have a scrollbar in the plugin page, but the dialog can't be shrinked to less than 640px tall [16:19]