| BUGabundo | I see so much stuff on what should go into fstab | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| BUGabundo | I have no idea how to set it up for SSD | 00:00 |
| BUGabundo | most is pre-btrfs | 00:00 |
| BUGabundo | ubuntu is boring | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | I just installed it and there's nothing to configure | 00:02 |
| BUGabundo | everything worked OFTB :( | 00:02 |
| smallfoot- | lol | 00:03 |
| smallfoot- | try gentoo or slackware for more of a challenge | 00:03 |
| * Patrickdk wonders back to slackware | 00:10 | |
| Patrickdk | used slackware for, 16years now? | 00:11 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, are you going to switch to btrfs in maverick? | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | already did | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | this new system is running on btrfs | 00:20 |
| bjsnider | is it stable? | 00:20 |
| BUGabundo | what can I do with it? | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: now idea. | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | only booted 3 times | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | and copied some stuff from my old disk | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | and installed most of my old packages | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | dselect FTW | 00:21 |
| bjsnider | try killing power in the middle of a session by pulling the cord | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | battery! | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | and come on!!! I just installed | 00:21 |
| bjsnider | pull the battery first | 00:21 |
| BUGabundo | don't wanna ruinned it already | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | plus pidgin HATES powerdowns | 00:22 |
| bjsnider | if btrfs is stable it won't ruin it | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | need to test it with a less sensible profile | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | *if* | 00:22 |
| Jordan_U | alt+sysrq+b should do quite nicely as a stand in for pulling the plug. | 00:22 |
| bjsnider | well, you asked what you could do to test it | 00:22 |
| BUGabundo | need to tune up my fstab 1st | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | Jordan_U: I know! :) | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: in the sense of creating multiple versions of a file | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | and let btrfs doing it magic | 00:23 |
| Daekdroom | I think the problem is the SSD itself. Doesn't TRIM make the drive to "hold" data before writing it down? | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | of allowing me to revert ot | 00:23 |
| BUGabundo | *it | 00:23 |
| bjsnider | i think there's apckage called btrfs-tools or something | 00:24 |
| bjsnider | lets you go back to a previous snapshot | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo | cool | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo | cli or nautilus integration? | 00:24 |
| bjsnider | i never would have guessed 2 years ago that linux users would be using btrfs before apple users would be using zfs | 00:24 |
| BUGabundo | Installed: 0.19+20100601-3 | 00:25 |
| bjsnider | but the latter isn't going to happen at all | 00:25 |
| BUGabundo | No manual entry for btrfs-tools | 00:25 |
| coz_ | hey guys ..out of curiosity...if I replace a sound under /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo with the same name... do I have to restart some service to get it working? | 00:25 |
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| Jordan_U | BUGabundo: TRIM is about telling the SSD what data it *can* clobber, not about keeping more data. | 00:30 |
| BUGabundo | I know | 00:31 |
| BUGabundo | it was a long nite! gonna sleep... plenty more for tomorrow | 00:33 |
| smallfoot- | maverick installs java by default, is this fault of openoffice? lucid didnt install java by default | 00:37 |
| DanaG | heh, I made the mistake of having my backups exclude *cache* and *Cache*. | 01:23 |
| DanaG | Broke all sorts of stuff. | 01:23 |
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| aboSamoor | Hi, I can not connect to IRC using empathy or xchat, any idea ? it keeps saying "connecting" in empathy, while in xchat it says "looking up hostname" | 02:28 |
| DanaG | Say, anyone know how to make an upstart job that starts ttyS2 only if "console=ttyS2" has been specified? | 03:01 |
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| DanaG | Say, anyone know how to make an upstart job that starts ttyS2 only if "console=ttyS2" has been specified? Wasn't that a goal for Maverick? | 03:25 |
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| MarkDude | should the help screen have bunk characters? | 06:07 |
| MarkDude | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10527806/Unicode%20crap.png | 06:07 |
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| Volkodav | add bookmark | 06:13 |
| vish | !sru | 06:33 |
| ubottu | Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 06:33 |
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| vish | !away | Andre_Gondim-afk | 07:01 |
| ubottu | Andre_Gondim-afk: You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» | 07:01 |
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| benste | hi, just took a look at the packages list for merkat, and saw that FF 4.0 is not included - as it's released after Ubuntu release. Will there be a dummy packaged like the "shirenko" package in previous Ubuntu versions ? | 10:02 |
| benste | btw. does so know the 4.0 codename ? | 10:03 |
| benste | someone here who knows more about ff ? | 10:11 |
| Machtin | is there any know bug that makes my system freeze frequently? | 11:36 |
| nocturn | Is Empathy 2.31.91 already available? I can't find it in updates but my bugreport is marked as fix released in that version | 13:40 |
| Ian_corne | nocturn: maverick? | 13:42 |
| Ian_corne | maybe it's not in the repo yet | 13:42 |
| nocturn | yes | 13:42 |
| nocturn | Ok, will use irssi for the next couple of days than | 13:43 |
| Ian_corne | shouldn't even take that long | 13:43 |
| nocturn | It was marked as released on 23 august | 13:43 |
| === gnomefreak changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat support/discussion | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Lucid support in #ubuntu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule | Alpha 3 Released! See http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha3 | X is broken for a lot of people please see http://tinyurl.com/2ubbobd | ||
| sdk | Heyas all. Is anyone else experiencing problems with runaway automake? I mean like, once it starts, it consumes all ram almost instantly, then fills swap in about another 10 seconds. Ever after I ctrl+c the command in term, I still have to specifically kill -9 the automake process. Ubuntu 10.10, updated everything last night. | 15:17 |
| mikebeecham | i get the impression that this room doesn't get used a lot | 15:25 |
| gnomefreak | mikebeecham: you would be wrong | 15:26 |
| gnomefreak | there are times where it is slow like any other room | 15:26 |
| mikebeecham | ahhh...I'm just looking at my xchat log over the last 24 hours and there's really nothing been said | 15:26 |
| mikebeecham | :D | 15:26 |
| mikebeecham | sure, I appreciate that | 15:27 |
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| patdk-wk | it's like most channels :) | 15:38 |
| patdk-wk | very busy some days, very dead others | 15:38 |
| Daekdroom | ooo reading the topic just answers what I was about to ask. | 15:38 |
| mikebeecham | ubuntu-artwork is always quiet | 15:41 |
| DrHalan | still broken nautilusß | 15:51 |
| Daekdroom | DrHalan, what's broken? | 15:52 |
| DrHalan | well since i've tested maverick there always was a memory leak in nautilus | 15:52 |
| Daekdroom | There's a bug filed in Launchpad against nautilus | 15:52 |
| Daekdroom | It's not only maverick | 15:52 |
| Daekdroom | Jaunty and karmic as well, I believe. | 15:52 |
| DrHalan | yeah i guessed so | 15:52 |
| Daekdroom | so, does anyone else currently have broken radeon driver? | 15:54 |
| DrHalan | works fine on my latop downstairs | 15:55 |
| DrHalan | you mean the open source ones right? | 15:55 |
| Daekdroom | X suddenly restarts when I use OpenGL 2d accel through Wine. | 15:55 |
| Daekdroom | yeah, opensource ones, r300 | 15:55 |
| DrHalan | mh r300 is a pretty recent one right? my latop is about 3 years old | 15:56 |
| Daekdroom | Xv rendering works fine, it's just wine... | 15:56 |
| anger78 | hi there! It seems i have a problem downloading the package information frome some sources, why does it tell me Ign http://xyz? http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398813/ | 16:16 |
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| anger78 | hi there! It seems i have a problem downloading the package information frome some sources, why does it tell me Ign http://xyz? http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398813/ | 16:59 |
| Pici | anger78: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file? You have a number of odd items in that paste you've provided. | 17:00 |
| anger78 | @pici:http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398814/ | 17:03 |
| anger78 | @pici: this is additional in the sources.list.d folder: | 17:04 |
| anger78 | root@daniel-desktop-ubu:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat ubuntu-x-swat-x-updates-maverick.list | 17:04 |
| anger78 | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu maverick main | 17:04 |
| anger78 | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu maverick main | 17:04 |
| Pici | anger78: Its normal for it to ignore the ones that it is ignoring. You may want to be careful using lucid medibuntu in maverick though. | 17:08 |
| dart | I cant get twitter on gwibber working...it won't show any updates and timeline....using macerivk daily build | 17:08 |
| dart | maverick* | 17:08 |
| anger78 | pici: the main-problem is that i cant install something from x-swat | 17:09 |
| Pici | anger78: What are you trying to install? | 17:09 |
| anger78 | pici: the fglrx package from them, the normal one wont install, also the 10.7 from the ati site | 17:10 |
| * [4-tea-2] starts lurking for comments about YouTube or ATI video drivers. | 17:40 | |
| sdk | has anyone heard about a bug in automake consuming all RAM and page volume in a matter of seconds? | 17:40 |
| sdk | Daekdroom: What's up with the Radeon driver? WFM, currently, but I've not upgraded since last night... Only problem I'm having with X is that the xserver crashes on me when I run openGL screen savers or run xrandr while running Cairo OpenGL dock. | 17:43 |
| Daekdroom | sdk, I'm having xserver crashes on me when running a specific Wine app that requires 2D OpenGL accel | 17:50 |
| Daekdroom | Xorg.0.log gives me a backtrace. | 17:50 |
| Daekdroom | The bug, unfortunately, happens with both Ubuntu and xorg-edgers (which has pretty much all patches the ubuntu x.org has)... | 17:51 |
| Daekdroom | sdk, and the OpenGL screenserver issue should have been fixed by now | 17:52 |
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| soee | was there any update today? suddenly iv lost my sound, i had to reinstal nvidia drivers :/ | 19:24 |
| Pici | Theres a message in the topic regarding X issues. | 19:25 |
| Ian_corne | There's updates daily.. | 19:25 |
| soee | oh i see, any idea what can be wrong with sound ? | 19:26 |
| Ian_corne | check pavucontrol that it's not just muted | 19:28 |
| soee | no its not i think i just check all settings | 19:28 |
| IdleOne | I get at least 2 updates per day | 19:32 |
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| Andre_Gondim | my rhymthbox doesn't go to systray | 19:56 |
| Raphi974 | Hi everyone | 20:18 |
| Raphi974 | _Q_ : I have UNR and the global menu works great on Netbook Sessions. But i'd rather use the desktop session. Is it possible to get the global menu ? | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | evening | 20:32 |
| BUGabundo | how is 3d support in the current nouveua? | 20:33 |
| oneguynick | I have searched the forums and google and can't find what support exists for 10.10 and gma500/poulsbo | 20:34 |
| kblin | hi folks | 20:34 |
| oneguynick | can anyone offer some insight? | 20:34 |
| kblin | I'm trying to use user_xattrs on btrfs on a 10.10 VM, but "mount -o remount,user_xattr -t btrfs /dev/sda2 /" returns an error | 20:35 |
| BUGabundo | oneguynick: last cycle it was VERY bad | 20:35 |
| BUGabundo | in the mean time seem some support has appeard | 20:36 |
| oneguynick | BUGabundo: every cycle since 8.04 has been very bad :) I guess the question is does it work outside of VESA mode? | 20:36 |
| BUGabundo | there as no pousbo back on 8.x cycle :S | 20:36 |
| BUGabundo | kblin: let me know your findings! I put a SSD in this laptop yesterday and have yet to tune it up | 20:36 |
| oneguynick | BUGabundo: Dell shipped and only supports UNR on 8.04 | 20:37 |
| oneguynick | So with all that said has someone tested 10.10 on poulsbo? | 20:38 |
| kblin | BUGabundo: dunno, so far it looks like it's still not really working | 20:38 |
| BUGabundo | kblin: if you are talking to me, it means my ssd is working :P | 20:39 |
| kblin | BUGabundo: true. tried to fsck already? | 20:40 |
| BUGabundo | NOOOOOOOOOO | 20:41 |
| BUGabundo | I'm even afraid to do *anything* | 20:41 |
| kblin | I've had to boot from CD to fix my fstab because I dared add xattr | 20:41 |
| kblin | I'm wondering what package to report a bug against for that | 20:41 |
| BUGabundo | its so hard to find good, precise, intel on SSD , btrfs and maverick :( | 20:42 |
| BUGabundo | at least it work OFTB | 20:42 |
| kblin | 10.04 btrfs support seems worse | 20:43 |
| kblin | and I need btrfs + xattr to test what I actually want to test | 20:43 |
| BUGabundo | kblin: you know support only came in 2.6.35 | 20:45 |
| kblin | yeah, and I see we're at 2.6.35-18 already | 20:46 |
| kblin | I also need 2.6.34+ for ceph-fs | 20:46 |
| kblin | which is what I actually want to play with | 20:46 |
| kblin | but that needs btrfs + xattrs as a base | 20:46 |
| BUGabundo | we are? | 20:47 |
| BUGabundo | im at 17 | 20:47 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 20:47 |
| BUGabundo | you better get a RC kernel then, from ubuntu kernel team PPA | 20:47 |
| kblin | sure, and get even less support :) | 20:47 |
| kblin | but good point, I'll try that | 20:48 |
| BUGabundo | its always a change | 20:52 |
| BUGabundo | if it doesn't work, boot to stock | 20:52 |
| BUGabundo | and kernel team usually reacts to probs very fast | 20:53 |
| yofel | actually -19 is out ^^ | 21:02 |
| yofel | and 3D in nouveau: had it working somewhat once with xserver 1.7, 1.9 gives me 2D only | 21:02 |
| BUGabundo | $ sudo aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental | 21:03 |
| BUGabundo | let the mayhem begin | 21:03 |
| yofel | heh | 21:03 |
| BUGabundo | hoy this nouveau 3D is FAST | 21:08 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: so installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental is enough? | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | and removing blob | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | I was expecting my boot time to go back to 13 secs | 21:16 |
| yofel | right, I'll try it then after updates finished installing | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | but it didn't drop a 1 sec :( | 21:16 |
| BUGabundo | http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ | 21:27 |
| BUGabundo | for anyone wanting to see the diff of SSD and rotatory disks :P | 21:27 |
| patdk-wk | heh, for me boot times went from 65sec to 28sec | 21:36 |
| patdk-wk | but then the computer only has sata1, I bet it would be down to the 15sec range on sata2 | 21:36 |
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| BluesKaj | hi BUGabundo , ltns | 21:49 |
| BUGabundo | hey hey | 21:49 |
| Daekdroom | Anyone else can check if bug 617201 is still ocurring? | 21:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 617201 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "Xserver crash in radeon_frame_event_handler" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617201 | 21:50 |
| Daekdroom | I believe it's not fixed | 21:50 |
| BluesKaj | Daekdroom: it's still happening ...i have that driver too :( | 21:51 |
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| Daekdroom | BluesKaj, kk, I'll add a comment confirming it still ocurs on both Ubuntu maverick xorg and xorg-edgers packages | 21:52 |
| BluesKaj | Daekdroom: it's still happening on lucid as well | 21:53 |
| yofel | Daekdroom: you could go to #ubuntu-x and ping raof, he's the one that closed the bug | 21:53 |
| Daekdroom | yofel, I know, but he's been told about it on #radeon and haven't answered yet | 21:53 |
| Daekdroom | So I'm just going to comment and wait for him to check for his email | 21:53 |
| RickiiBETA | hey all, can anyone help me with dual monitors] | 21:54 |
| yofel | RickiiBETA: graphic card/driver ? | 21:54 |
| RickiiBETA | GeForce 9800gtx I think | 21:55 |
| BluesKaj | well, I'm not expecting much more support for this old pc , a new graphics card is probly in it's future and it'll be nvidia | 21:55 |
| yofel | RickiiBETA: tried with nvidia-settings ? | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | where's the startup stuff now?! | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | nothing in RC | 21:56 |
| RickiiBETA | looking | 21:56 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: upstart is in /etc/init/ | 21:56 |
| BUGabundo | so I just edit the confs? | 21:56 |
| yofel | right | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | and try to guess what's starting? | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | I miss S and Ks :( | 21:57 |
| yofel | me too :( | 21:57 |
| yofel | you can add --verbose or --debug to the kernel line to make upstart talkative I think | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | no idea how to stop ssh .conf | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | start on filesystem | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | stop on runlevel [!2345] | 21:58 |
| bjsnider | i'm sure there will be a gui config for upstart before the next lts release | 21:58 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: comment the start on out | 21:58 |
| RickiiBETA | Got it, tnx | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | ugly hack | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | need to kill *everything* from my boot | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | wanna be on 10 sec boot | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | no idea how watson did the 5 secs boots | 21:59 |
| * yofel is amazed how BUGabundo can boot without init | 21:59 | |
| yofel | :P | 21:59 |
| bjsnider | and you're going to wipe out everything that stand in the way of that goal | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | no | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | just took ssh so far | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | any advice ? | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | see the last one | 21:59 |
| bjsnider | you created a whole site for your own bootcharts? | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | no | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | its a gallery | 22:00 |
| bjsnider | boot speed seems to be very important to you | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | I have dropbox to it | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | so I just copy pngs and it uploads | 22:00 |
| bjsnider | very, very important | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | and yes, that has all my bootcharts from ~4 years | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | two laptops | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | and now ssd | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: I reboot 2, 3 times a day | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | plus I want to tune my ssd to their best performance | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | if there's stuff that ubuntu installs just for the casual user and that I don't need it , why not take it | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | I usually disable Bluetooth | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | I never ever use it | 22:01 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: so its not speed that matters | 22:02 |
| patdk-wk | I wish I could get bluetooth to be disabled on boot, it just doesn't work anymore | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | but getting the most out of it, by learning where to shave | 22:02 |
| BUGabundo | you can | 22:03 |
| * yofel reboots with noveau | 22:03 | |
| patdk-wk | but still have it, so I can enable it for the rare times I use it | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | run this: | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | sudo echo "options rfkill master_switch_mode=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/rfkill.conf | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | this will stop bluetooth being activated during boot. | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | See: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linu...cpi.devel/1955 (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.acpi.ibm-acpi.devel/1955) | 22:03 |
| patdk-wk | nice | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | :D | 22:04 |
| patdk-wk | I just figure that is atleast .25watts of wasted power :) | 22:06 |
| jjcm | BUGabundo: You would be in here. | 22:06 |
| jjcm | BUGabundo: Go back to #cyanogenmod | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | at least the the startup inits are easy to read | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | I'm everywhere dude | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | now let me make this nicer | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | # / was on /dev/sda5 during installation | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | UUID=42a39eb7-f3a7-4f7c-8c66-121f36685048 / btrfs defaults 0 1 | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | # /boot was on /dev/sda1 during installation | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | UUID=90f159fd-322f-4663-aa04-188ef8c937a6 /boot ext4 defaults 0 2 | 22:07 |
| RickiiBETA | Back, I got an Error when I tried to save monitor settings: Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf | 22:07 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, are you using the btrfs optimization for ssd? | 22:08 |
| patdk-wk | heh, doesn't mounting /boot take to long, remove it, it's not needed unless you upgrade kernels :) | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: trying to get there | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | no idea how | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | hence me asking | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | Pat good! let me do it | 22:08 |
| * BUGabundo deletes | 22:08 | |
| kklimonda | hey ho! | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | hey kklimonda | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | you know anything about ssds and btrfs? | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | ehe | 22:09 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: nope | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | trying to tune mine | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | not even google helps here | 22:09 |
| yofel | hm, nouveau 2D is certainly nice except for the icon rendering issues, but kwin effects seem actually slower than with nvidia current o.O | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: I do see some artifacts | 22:10 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: afaik there's a 'ssd' mount option, but that's all I know | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | but very very little so doesn't bother me | 22:10 |
| yofel | well, didn't crash yet so I'll try it for a while | 22:11 |
| bjsnider | BUGabundo, There are some optimizations for SSD drives, and you can enable them by mounting with -o ssd | 22:12 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: instead of defaults ? | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | or after? | 22:14 |
| bjsnider | after what? | 22:14 |
| BUGabundo | UUID=42a39eb7-f3a7-4f7c-8c66-121f36685048 / btrfs defaults,ssd 0 1 | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | is that it ? | 22:15 |
| bjsnider | could be | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | ehe | 22:15 |
| bjsnider | if so, then it's already optimized | 22:15 |
| bjsnider | no need to do anything else | 22:15 |
| patdk-wk | I can't seem to notice a difference ading the ssd option | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | http://thermal.cnde.iastate.edu/~sdh4/verynice/ | 22:16 |
| patdk-wk | I think that only modifies write performance, than read | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | we got this? | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | doing a quick test on btrfs | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | and suspend to ram with nouvuae | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | wish me luck | 22:17 |
| soee | ok nothing help to make my speekers work, my usb headset works oks - i have sound but not on 5.1 speakers any idea how can i fix this ? | 22:18 |
| BUGabundo | back | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | wifi takes a while to reconnect | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | but hey, works fine D | 22:19 |
| * BUGabundo is happy | 22:19 | |
| BUGabundo | need to get the right value for screen bright ... its burning my eyes | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | eheh | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | I wonder how safe is btrfsck | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | let me try it | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | nobarrier - Do not use device barriers. NOTE: Using this option greatly increases the chances of you experiencing data corruption during a power failure situation. This means full file-system corruption, and not just loosing or corrupting data that was being written during a power cut or kernel panic | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | I'm crazy enough to test that :D | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | ssd - Turn on some of the SSD optimized behaviour within btrfs. | 22:22 |
| yofel | BUGabundo: if nothing has changed in the last month, then btrfsck can only be used offline (unmounted) | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Btrfsck lovelly page | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | yeah I know :( | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | but since its all my / | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | I can't umount it | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | will have to wait for online file checker | 22:23 |
| patdk-wk | heh, I can only get mine down to 11s | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 22:24 |
| patdk-wk | with a peek read speed of 572MB/s | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | rebooting for NO BARRIER | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | WOW | 22:24 |
| patdk-wk | disk usage for only 2seconds | 22:24 |
| patdk-wk | cpu usage solid for 8sec | 22:24 |
| patdk-wk | on a E8600 desktop | 22:24 |
| patdk-wk | dual core 3.33ghz | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | t8300 | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | 2.4ghz mobile | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | its a 2,5 yo laptop | 22:25 |
| patdk-wk | ya, I should have more cache | 22:25 |
| patdk-wk | 1year old desktop | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | reboot | 22:25 |
| BUGabundo | wish me luck | 22:25 |
| nagappan | any clues why this happens with Nvidia current driver in Ubuntu 10.10 ? | 22:26 |
| nagappan | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/483637/ | 22:26 |
| nagappan | any work around for this ? | 22:26 |
| bjsnider | yes, you put ignoreabi in the xorg.conf file | 22:27 |
| bjsnider | the solution is in the bug in question | 22:27 |
| bjsnider | don't have the number handy | 22:27 |
| bjsnider | yofel does | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | wow | 22:27 |
| nagappan | bjsnider, ok, let me search how to add the entry in xorg.conf, thanks :-) | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | patdk-wk: its show *exaclty* the same boot time | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | pffffff | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | 251MBs peak | 22:28 |
| patdk-wk | ssd option? | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | and no barrier | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 22:28 |
| patdk-wk | ya, that should only affect writes :) | 22:28 |
| * BUGabundo re-enables for safety | 22:28 | |
| BUGabundo | mobprob and X are killing me here | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | X is 2 seconds | 22:29 |
| yofel | bug 616023 | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | modprob 8 | 22:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023 | 22:29 |
| yofel | nagappan: ^ | 22:29 |
| patdk-wk | how many things is it modprobing that you don't need? | 22:29 |
| BUGabundo | need to lower ureadahead time | 22:30 |
| patdk-wk | kill all iptables stuff? | 22:30 |
| bjsnider | thank you yofel | 22:30 |
| yofel | np :P | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | what iptables? | 22:30 |
| BUGabundo | there's nothing there | 22:30 |
| patdk-wk | didn't know if you had ufw running | 22:30 |
| patdk-wk | actually, ureadahead is killing me, it thinks it's a rotational disk | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | I guess I do | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | but no rules | 22:32 |
| patdk-wk | check with lsmod | 22:32 |
| patdk-wk | any iptables stuff? | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | # Forks into the background both when reading from disk and when profiling | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | # (HDD mode won't fork, but that's ok because we'll wait for it in spawned). | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | expect fork | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | # When profiling, give it three minutes after sending SIGTERM to write out | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | # the pack file. | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | kill timeout 180 | 22:32 |
| BUGabundo | ehe | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | how crazy would it be, to take it from startup ? | 22:33 |
| patdk-wk | how can I force it to fork? | 22:33 |
| BUGabundo | wasn't there a better read ahead? | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | like sread? | 22:34 |
| patdk-wk | ya, ureadahead | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | in a ppa or something | 22:34 |
| patdk-wk | intel made sreadahead | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | we need colin | 22:34 |
| patdk-wk | many people had issues with it, why they made ureadahead | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | anyone can ping him here? | 22:34 |
| kklimonda | patdk-wk: you can as well disable it - ureadahead won't do anything good if you fork it on hdd powered system | 22:38 |
| patdk-wk | but on an ssd? | 22:38 |
| patdk-wk | and it isn't forking? | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | kklimonda: the question is: can we disable it ? | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | yes? what do we not gain ? | 22:38 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: sure - just rename /etc/init/ureadahead.conf to /etc/init/ureadahead.conf.disabled | 22:39 |
| kklimonda | same with ureadahead-other.conf | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | or comment the start | 22:39 |
| kklimonda | it may work too | 22:40 |
| nagappan | yofel, thanks sharing the bug number, let me subscribe myself | 22:40 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: it doesn't for for you on ssd? have you reported it? | 22:40 |
| patdk-wk | oh heh, BUGabundo, on mine I killed plymouth :) | 22:40 |
| BUGabundo | ahaaha | 22:40 |
| BUGabundo | kklimonda: http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ | 22:41 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: why so small? | 22:41 |
| patdk-wk | damn, killed ureadahead, cut down a good second or maybe more | 22:41 |
| BUGabundo | kklimonda: click, them click on the right side | 22:42 |
| BUGabundo | full size png | 22:42 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: why can't you just dump them into folder like all sane people do? ;) | 22:43 |
| kklimonda | Some cheap/old SSDs fail to report their non rotational nature to the kernel. This results in ureadahead treating them as a rotational disk, which can actually cause slower boot times than not using ureadahead at all. ;) | 22:45 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: what does cat /sys/block/sda/queue/rotational return? | 22:45 |
| patdk-wk | in my cause, it's cause it's a vm, and the vm shows it as a rotational disk, instead of ssd | 22:45 |
| BUGabundo | 0 | 22:46 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: hmm.. a bug in ureadahead then? it should just fork as expected | 22:46 |
| BUGabundo | no idea | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | let me turn it off and test | 22:47 |
| vish | BUGabundo: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kang-bundo fan of yours ? ;) | 22:47 |
| BUGabundo | AHAH | 22:47 |
| patdk-wk | apt-get remove .*ubuntuone.* saved me .5sec | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | oohhh | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | forgot that | 22:48 |
| * BUGabundo purges | 22:48 | |
| vish | ubuntuone is turning out to be one of those complementary antivirus which come pre-installed with windows ! one of the things to be done[removed] after an install :D | 22:50 |
| kklimonda | interesting, I'm actually finding it useful | 22:50 |
| kklimonda | guess in in the minority | 22:51 |
| duffydack | U1 is kind of nice. serving files up at a mouse click, giving me a backup to my other real backups. | 22:52 |
| BUGabundo | I use dropbox | 22:52 |
| duffydack | music purchasing... | 22:52 |
| duffydack | I prefer U1.. set any folder I like.. | 22:52 |
| duffydack | I have deja vu.. again. ugh. | 22:52 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: dropbox is just a file syncing - I like the possibilities of app syncing with couchdb | 22:52 |
| duffydack | contact syncs..mobile etc | 22:53 |
| BUGabundo | duffydack: symlinks | 22:53 |
| duffydack | BUGabundo, U1 | 22:53 |
| kklimonda | I'm actually writing myself a rss reader that uses couchdb so I can keep my news synced bytween phone and computers | 22:53 |
| * yofel would like to use U1, but apachelogger is still fighting with the libraries for the KDE client :( | 22:53 | |
| duffydack | when I have a reason to use dropbox instead, I guess I will.. | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | I use it to sync 4 PCs and my android D: | 22:54 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: symlinks are really primitive way of getting a realy sync capabilieties in applications | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | beat that :PPPP | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | plus it sync my ourdoings galleries too | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | like the one of those bootcharts | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | but hey, use what ever you like | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | I like dropbox | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | it _just_ works | 22:54 |
| BUGabundo | (other then the half missing applet) | 22:55 |
| patdk-wk | heh, symlinks to autofs on some of my stuff | 22:55 |
| duffydack | far as I can see, u1 just works too | 22:55 |
| duffydack | the autopublish script is decent too | 22:56 |
| BUGabundo | and reboot to test no uread | 22:57 |
| BUGabundo | brb | 22:57 |
| BUGabundo | I hope | 22:57 |
| BUGabundo | back | 22:59 |
| BUGabundo | -2 sec | 23:00 |
| BUGabundo | nope. not getting there | 23:00 |
| Daekdroom | Why have such fast boot? | 23:00 |
| BUGabundo | humm why is plymouth running | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | if I disabled it ? | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 23:01 |
| BUGabundo | kklimonda: you lied to me! | 23:01 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo: what does plymout have to do with ureadahead? ;/ | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | nothing | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | but I disabled it too | 23:03 |
| BUGabundo | and its starting | 23:03 |
| kklimonda | what does initctl list|grep plymouth return? | 23:04 |
| BUGabundo | plymouth-stop start/running | 23:05 |
| kklimonda | hmm, maybe something else is launching plymouth then | 23:05 |
| BUGabundo | well lets leave boot for another day | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | now I need to get the most out of btrfs tools | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | what are they? | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | what can I do with the FS? | 23:06 |
| patdk-wk | I just can't break <10.5seconds | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | are there any high level apps ready to use the snapshot and versioning features? | 23:06 |
| BUGabundo | patdk-wk: stop mocking me | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | I'm at 20 | 23:07 |
| BUGabundo | I had 13 before | 23:07 |
| kklimonda | nope | 23:07 |
| vish | hmm , what's going on here! | 23:10 |
| vish | are we clocking boottime today? :) | 23:10 |
| patdk-wk | http://まねし.jp/gallery/v/Users/sysadm/lucid-test-maverick-20100825-15.png.html | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG | 23:11 |
| BUGabundo | 404 | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | 404 MBs | 23:12 |
| patdk-wk | http://maneshi.com/gallery/v/Users/sysadm/lucid-test-maverick-20100825-15.png.html | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | I need a faster machine and a faster ssd | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 23:12 |
| BUGabundo | still 404 MB/s | 23:12 |
| patdk-wk | oh heh | 23:13 |
| patdk-wk | I though you meant http 404 :) | 23:13 |
| patdk-wk | on one boot it spiked into 700's | 23:13 |
| patdk-wk | my laptop isn't this good though, only 150mb's cause of sata1 only, wish the t61 had sata2 | 23:14 |
| patdk-wk | hmm, I wonder if all that cpu usage is from using the btrfs compress option :) | 23:14 |
| BUGabundo | didn't I already got a new kernel today? | 23:31 |
| BUGabundo | another now ? | 23:31 |
| Daekdroom | That's what you get for using a version in development :O | 23:32 |
| patdk-wk | what verion you on? | 23:33 |
| patdk-wk | I only saw -18 | 23:33 |
| BUGabundo | -19 | 23:34 |
| patdk-wk | does it increase boot speed? :) | 23:34 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 23:34 |
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