[00:00] I see so much stuff on what should go into fstab [00:00] I have no idea how to set it up for SSD [00:00] most is pre-btrfs [00:02] ubuntu is boring [00:02] I just installed it and there's nothing to configure [00:02] everything worked OFTB :( [00:03] lol [00:03] try gentoo or slackware for more of a challenge [00:10] * Patrickdk wonders back to slackware [00:11] used slackware for, 16years now? [00:20] BUGabundo, are you going to switch to btrfs in maverick? [00:20] already did [00:20] this new system is running on btrfs [00:20] is it stable? [00:21] what can I do with it? [00:21] bjsnider: now idea. [00:21] only booted 3 times [00:21] and copied some stuff from my old disk [00:21] and installed most of my old packages [00:21] dselect FTW [00:21] try killing power in the middle of a session by pulling the cord [00:21] battery! [00:21] and come on!!! I just installed [00:21] pull the battery first [00:22] don't wanna ruinned it already [00:22] plus pidgin HATES powerdowns [00:22] if btrfs is stable it won't ruin it [00:22] need to test it with a less sensible profile [00:22] *if* [00:22] alt+sysrq+b should do quite nicely as a stand in for pulling the plug. [00:22] well, you asked what you could do to test it [00:23] need to tune up my fstab 1st [00:23] Jordan_U: I know! :) [00:23] bjsnider: in the sense of creating multiple versions of a file [00:23] and let btrfs doing it magic [00:23] I think the problem is the SSD itself. Doesn't TRIM make the drive to "hold" data before writing it down? [00:23] of allowing me to revert ot [00:23] *it [00:24] i think there's apckage called btrfs-tools or something [00:24] lets you go back to a previous snapshot [00:24] cool [00:24] cli or nautilus integration? [00:24] i never would have guessed 2 years ago that linux users would be using btrfs before apple users would be using zfs [00:25] Installed: 0.19+20100601-3 [00:25] but the latter isn't going to happen at all [00:25] No manual entry for btrfs-tools [00:25] hey guys ..out of curiosity...if I replace a sound under /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo with the same name... do I have to restart some service to get it working? === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [00:30] BUGabundo: TRIM is about telling the SSD what data it *can* clobber, not about keeping more data. [00:31] I know [00:33] it was a long nite! gonna sleep... plenty more for tomorrow [00:37] maverick installs java by default, is this fault of openoffice? lucid didnt install java by default [01:23] heh, I made the mistake of having my backups exclude *cache* and *Cache*. [01:23] Broke all sorts of stuff. === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [02:28] Hi, I can not connect to IRC using empathy or xchat, any idea ? it keeps saying "connecting" in empathy, while in xchat it says "looking up hostname" [03:01] Say, anyone know how to make an upstart job that starts ttyS2 only if "console=ttyS2" has been specified? === em is now known as emma [03:25] Say, anyone know how to make an upstart job that starts ttyS2 only if "console=ttyS2" has been specified? Wasn't that a goal for Maverick? === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [06:07] should the help screen have bunk characters? [06:07] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10527806/Unicode%20crap.png === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:13] add bookmark [06:33] !sru [06:33] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [07:01] !away | Andre_Gondim-afk [07:01] Andre_Gondim-afk: You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [10:02] hi, just took a look at the packages list for merkat, and saw that FF 4.0 is not included - as it's released after Ubuntu release. Will there be a dummy packaged like the "shirenko" package in previous Ubuntu versions ? [10:03] btw. does so know the 4.0 codename ? [10:11] someone here who knows more about ff ? [11:36] is there any know bug that makes my system freeze frequently? [13:40] Is Empathy 2.31.91 already available? I can't find it in updates but my bugreport is marked as fix released in that version [13:42] nocturn: maverick? [13:42] maybe it's not in the repo yet [13:42] yes [13:43] Ok, will use irssi for the next couple of days than [13:43] shouldn't even take that long [13:43] It was marked as released on 23 august === gnomefreak changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat support/discussion | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Lucid support in #ubuntu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule | Alpha 3 Released! See http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha3 | X is broken for a lot of people please see http://tinyurl.com/2ubbobd [15:17] Heyas all. Is anyone else experiencing problems with runaway automake? I mean like, once it starts, it consumes all ram almost instantly, then fills swap in about another 10 seconds. Ever after I ctrl+c the command in term, I still have to specifically kill -9 the automake process. Ubuntu 10.10, updated everything last night. [15:25] i get the impression that this room doesn't get used a lot [15:26] mikebeecham: you would be wrong [15:26] there are times where it is slow like any other room [15:26] ahhh...I'm just looking at my xchat log over the last 24 hours and there's really nothing been said [15:26] :D [15:27] sure, I appreciate that === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:38] it's like most channels :) [15:38] very busy some days, very dead others [15:38] ooo reading the topic just answers what I was about to ask. [15:41] ubuntu-artwork is always quiet [15:51] still broken nautilusß [15:52] DrHalan, what's broken? [15:52] well since i've tested maverick there always was a memory leak in nautilus [15:52] There's a bug filed in Launchpad against nautilus [15:52] It's not only maverick [15:52] Jaunty and karmic as well, I believe. [15:52] yeah i guessed so [15:54] so, does anyone else currently have broken radeon driver? [15:55] works fine on my latop downstairs [15:55] you mean the open source ones right? [15:55] X suddenly restarts when I use OpenGL 2d accel through Wine. [15:55] yeah, opensource ones, r300 [15:56] mh r300 is a pretty recent one right? my latop is about 3 years old [15:56] Xv rendering works fine, it's just wine... [16:16] hi there! It seems i have a problem downloading the package information frome some sources, why does it tell me Ign http://xyz? http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398813/ === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [16:59] hi there! It seems i have a problem downloading the package information frome some sources, why does it tell me Ign http://xyz? http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398813/ [17:00] anger78: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file? You have a number of odd items in that paste you've provided. [17:03] @pici:http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398814/ [17:04] @pici: this is additional in the sources.list.d folder: [17:04] root@daniel-desktop-ubu:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# cat ubuntu-x-swat-x-updates-maverick.list [17:04] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu maverick main [17:04] deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates/ubuntu maverick main [17:08] anger78: Its normal for it to ignore the ones that it is ignoring. You may want to be careful using lucid medibuntu in maverick though. [17:08] I cant get twitter on gwibber working...it won't show any updates and timeline....using macerivk daily build [17:08] maverick* [17:09] pici: the main-problem is that i cant install something from x-swat [17:09] anger78: What are you trying to install? [17:10] pici: the fglrx package from them, the normal one wont install, also the 10.7 from the ati site [17:40] * [4-tea-2] starts lurking for comments about YouTube or ATI video drivers. [17:40] has anyone heard about a bug in automake consuming all RAM and page volume in a matter of seconds? [17:43] Daekdroom: What's up with the Radeon driver? WFM, currently, but I've not upgraded since last night... Only problem I'm having with X is that the xserver crashes on me when I run openGL screen savers or run xrandr while running Cairo OpenGL dock. [17:50] sdk, I'm having xserver crashes on me when running a specific Wine app that requires 2D OpenGL accel [17:50] Xorg.0.log gives me a backtrace. [17:51] The bug, unfortunately, happens with both Ubuntu and xorg-edgers (which has pretty much all patches the ubuntu x.org has)... [17:52] sdk, and the OpenGL screenserver issue should have been fixed by now === kristian42_ is now known as krosenvold [19:24] was there any update today? suddenly iv lost my sound, i had to reinstal nvidia drivers :/ [19:25] Theres a message in the topic regarding X issues. [19:25] There's updates daily.. [19:26] oh i see, any idea what can be wrong with sound ? [19:28] check pavucontrol that it's not just muted [19:28] no its not i think i just check all settings [19:32] I get at least 2 updates per day === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:56] my rhymthbox doesn't go to systray [20:18] Hi everyone [20:19] _Q_ : I have UNR and the global menu works great on Netbook Sessions. But i'd rather use the desktop session. Is it possible to get the global menu ? [20:32] evening [20:33] how is 3d support in the current nouveua? [20:34] I have searched the forums and google and can't find what support exists for 10.10 and gma500/poulsbo [20:34] hi folks [20:34] can anyone offer some insight? [20:35] I'm trying to use user_xattrs on btrfs on a 10.10 VM, but "mount -o remount,user_xattr -t btrfs /dev/sda2 /" returns an error [20:35] oneguynick: last cycle it was VERY bad [20:36] in the mean time seem some support has appeard [20:36] BUGabundo: every cycle since 8.04 has been very bad :) I guess the question is does it work outside of VESA mode? [20:36] there as no pousbo back on 8.x cycle :S [20:36] kblin: let me know your findings! I put a SSD in this laptop yesterday and have yet to tune it up [20:37] BUGabundo: Dell shipped and only supports UNR on 8.04 [20:38] So with all that said has someone tested 10.10 on poulsbo? [20:38] BUGabundo: dunno, so far it looks like it's still not really working [20:39] kblin: if you are talking to me, it means my ssd is working :P [20:40] BUGabundo: true. tried to fsck already? [20:41] NOOOOOOOOOO [20:41] I'm even afraid to do *anything* [20:41] I've had to boot from CD to fix my fstab because I dared add xattr [20:41] I'm wondering what package to report a bug against for that [20:42] its so hard to find good, precise, intel on SSD , btrfs and maverick :( [20:42] at least it work OFTB [20:43] 10.04 btrfs support seems worse [20:43] and I need btrfs + xattr to test what I actually want to test [20:45] kblin: you know support only came in 2.6.35 [20:46] yeah, and I see we're at 2.6.35-18 already [20:46] I also need 2.6.34+ for ceph-fs [20:46] which is what I actually want to play with [20:46] but that needs btrfs + xattrs as a base [20:47] we are? [20:47] im at 17 [20:47] LOL [20:47] you better get a RC kernel then, from ubuntu kernel team PPA [20:47] sure, and get even less support :) [20:48] but good point, I'll try that [20:52] its always a change [20:52] if it doesn't work, boot to stock [20:53] and kernel team usually reacts to probs very fast [21:02] actually -19 is out ^^ [21:02] and 3D in nouveau: had it working somewhat once with xserver 1.7, 1.9 gives me 2D only [21:03] $ sudo aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental [21:03] let the mayhem begin [21:03] heh [21:08] hoy this nouveau 3D is FAST [21:16] BUGabundo: so installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental is enough? [21:16] yep [21:16] and removing blob [21:16] I was expecting my boot time to go back to 13 secs [21:16] right, I'll try it then after updates finished installing [21:16] but it didn't drop a 1 sec :( [21:27] http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ [21:27] for anyone wanting to see the diff of SSD and rotatory disks :P [21:36] heh, for me boot times went from 65sec to 28sec [21:36] but then the computer only has sata1, I bet it would be down to the 15sec range on sata2 === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [21:49] hi BUGabundo , ltns [21:49] hey hey [21:50] Anyone else can check if bug 617201 is still ocurring? [21:50] Launchpad bug 617201 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "Xserver crash in radeon_frame_event_handler" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617201 [21:50] I believe it's not fixed [21:51] Daekdroom: it's still happening ...i have that driver too :( === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [21:52] BluesKaj, kk, I'll add a comment confirming it still ocurs on both Ubuntu maverick xorg and xorg-edgers packages [21:53] Daekdroom: it's still happening on lucid as well [21:53] Daekdroom: you could go to #ubuntu-x and ping raof, he's the one that closed the bug [21:53] yofel, I know, but he's been told about it on #radeon and haven't answered yet [21:53] So I'm just going to comment and wait for him to check for his email [21:54] hey all, can anyone help me with dual monitors] [21:54] RickiiBETA: graphic card/driver ? [21:55] GeForce 9800gtx I think [21:55] well, I'm not expecting much more support for this old pc , a new graphics card is probly in it's future and it'll be nvidia [21:56] RickiiBETA: tried with nvidia-settings ? [21:56] where's the startup stuff now?! [21:56] nothing in RC [21:56] looking [21:56] BUGabundo: upstart is in /etc/init/ [21:56] so I just edit the confs? [21:57] right [21:57] and try to guess what's starting? [21:57] I miss S and Ks :( [21:57] me too :( [21:57] you can add --verbose or --debug to the kernel line to make upstart talkative I think [21:58] no idea how to stop ssh .conf [21:58] start on filesystem [21:58] stop on runlevel [!2345] [21:58] i'm sure there will be a gui config for upstart before the next lts release [21:58] BUGabundo: comment the start on out [21:58] Got it, tnx [21:58] ugly hack [21:58] lol [21:58] need to kill *everything* from my boot [21:58] wanna be on 10 sec boot [21:59] no idea how watson did the 5 secs boots [21:59] * yofel is amazed how BUGabundo can boot without init [21:59] :P [21:59] and you're going to wipe out everything that stand in the way of that goal [21:59] no [21:59] just took ssh so far [21:59] any advice ? [21:59] http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ [21:59] see the last one [22:00] you created a whole site for your own bootcharts? [22:00] no [22:00] its a gallery [22:00] boot speed seems to be very important to you [22:00] I have dropbox to it [22:00] so I just copy pngs and it uploads [22:00] very, very important [22:00] and yes, that has all my bootcharts from ~4 years [22:00] two laptops [22:00] and now ssd [22:00] bjsnider: I reboot 2, 3 times a day [22:01] plus I want to tune my ssd to their best performance [22:01] if there's stuff that ubuntu installs just for the casual user and that I don't need it , why not take it [22:01] I usually disable Bluetooth [22:01] I never ever use it [22:02] bjsnider: so its not speed that matters [22:02] I wish I could get bluetooth to be disabled on boot, it just doesn't work anymore [22:02] but getting the most out of it, by learning where to shave [22:03] you can [22:03] * yofel reboots with noveau [22:03] but still have it, so I can enable it for the rare times I use it [22:03] run this: [22:03] sudo echo "options rfkill master_switch_mode=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/rfkill.conf [22:03] this will stop bluetooth being activated during boot. [22:03] See: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linu...cpi.devel/1955 (http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.acpi.ibm-acpi.devel/1955) [22:04] nice [22:04] :D [22:06] I just figure that is atleast .25watts of wasted power :) [22:06] BUGabundo: You would be in here. [22:06] BUGabundo: Go back to #cyanogenmod [22:06] at least the the startup inits are easy to read [22:06] I'm everywhere dude [22:06] now let me make this nicer [22:07] # / was on /dev/sda5 during installation [22:07] UUID=42a39eb7-f3a7-4f7c-8c66-121f36685048 / btrfs defaults 0 1 [22:07] # /boot was on /dev/sda1 during installation [22:07] UUID=90f159fd-322f-4663-aa04-188ef8c937a6 /boot ext4 defaults 0 2 [22:07] Back, I got an Error when I tried to save monitor settings: Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf [22:08] BUGabundo, are you using the btrfs optimization for ssd? [22:08] heh, doesn't mounting /boot take to long, remove it, it's not needed unless you upgrade kernels :) [22:08] bjsnider: trying to get there [22:08] no idea how [22:08] hence me asking [22:08] Pat good! let me do it [22:08] * BUGabundo deletes [22:09] hey ho! [22:09] hey kklimonda [22:09] you know anything about ssds and btrfs? [22:09] ehe [22:09] BUGabundo: nope [22:09] trying to tune mine [22:09] not even google helps here [22:10] hm, nouveau 2D is certainly nice except for the icon rendering issues, but kwin effects seem actually slower than with nvidia current o.O [22:10] yofel: I do see some artifacts [22:10] BUGabundo: afaik there's a 'ssd' mount option, but that's all I know [22:10] but very very little so doesn't bother me [22:11] well, didn't crash yet so I'll try it for a while [22:12] BUGabundo, There are some optimizations for SSD drives, and you can enable them by mounting with -o ssd [22:14] bjsnider: instead of defaults ? [22:14] or after? [22:14] after what? [22:15] UUID=42a39eb7-f3a7-4f7c-8c66-121f36685048 / btrfs defaults,ssd 0 1 [22:15] is that it ? [22:15] could be [22:15] ehe [22:15] if so, then it's already optimized [22:15] no need to do anything else [22:16] I can't seem to notice a difference ading the ssd option [22:16] http://thermal.cnde.iastate.edu/~sdh4/verynice/ [22:16] I think that only modifies write performance, than read [22:16] we got this? [22:17] doing a quick test on btrfs [22:17] and suspend to ram with nouvuae [22:17] wish me luck [22:18] ok nothing help to make my speekers work, my usb headset works oks - i have sound but not on 5.1 speakers any idea how can i fix this ? [22:19] back [22:19] wifi takes a while to reconnect [22:19] but hey, works fine D [22:19] * BUGabundo is happy [22:19] need to get the right value for screen bright ... its burning my eyes [22:21] eheh [22:21] I wonder how safe is btrfsck [22:21] let me try it [22:22] nobarrier - Do not use device barriers. NOTE: Using this option greatly increases the chances of you experiencing data corruption during a power failure situation. This means full file-system corruption, and not just loosing or corrupting data that was being written during a power cut or kernel panic [22:22] I'm crazy enough to test that :D [22:22] ssd - Turn on some of the SSD optimized behaviour within btrfs. [22:23] BUGabundo: if nothing has changed in the last month, then btrfsck can only be used offline (unmounted) [22:23] https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Btrfsck lovelly page [22:23] yeah I know :( [22:23] but since its all my / [22:23] I can't umount it [22:23] will have to wait for online file checker [22:24] heh, I can only get mine down to 11s [22:24] ok [22:24] with a peek read speed of 572MB/s [22:24] rebooting for NO BARRIER [22:24] WOW [22:24] disk usage for only 2seconds [22:24] cpu usage solid for 8sec [22:24] on a E8600 desktop [22:25] dual core 3.33ghz [22:25] t8300 [22:25] 2.4ghz mobile [22:25] its a 2,5 yo laptop [22:25] ya, I should have more cache [22:25] 1year old desktop [22:25] reboot [22:25] wish me luck [22:26] any clues why this happens with Nvidia current driver in Ubuntu 10.10 ? [22:26] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/483637/ [22:26] any work around for this ? [22:27] yes, you put ignoreabi in the xorg.conf file [22:27] the solution is in the bug in question [22:27] don't have the number handy [22:27] yofel does [22:27] wow [22:28] bjsnider, ok, let me search how to add the entry in xorg.conf, thanks :-) [22:28] LOL [22:28] patdk-wk: its show *exaclty* the same boot time [22:28] pffffff [22:28] 251MBs peak [22:28] ssd option? [22:28] yeah [22:28] and no barrier [22:28] lol [22:28] ya, that should only affect writes :) [22:28] * BUGabundo re-enables for safety [22:29] mobprob and X are killing me here [22:29] X is 2 seconds [22:29] bug 616023 [22:29] modprob 8 [22:29] Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023 [22:29] nagappan: ^ [22:29] how many things is it modprobing that you don't need? [22:30] need to lower ureadahead time [22:30] kill all iptables stuff? [22:30] thank you yofel [22:30] np :P [22:30] what iptables? [22:30] there's nothing there [22:30] didn't know if you had ufw running [22:31] actually, ureadahead is killing me, it thinks it's a rotational disk [22:32] I guess I do [22:32] but no rules [22:32] check with lsmod [22:32] any iptables stuff? [22:32] # Forks into the background both when reading from disk and when profiling [22:32] # (HDD mode won't fork, but that's ok because we'll wait for it in spawned). [22:32] expect fork [22:32] # When profiling, give it three minutes after sending SIGTERM to write out [22:32] # the pack file. [22:32] kill timeout 180 [22:33] ehe [22:33] how crazy would it be, to take it from startup ? [22:33] how can I force it to fork? [22:34] wasn't there a better read ahead? [22:34] like sread? [22:34] ya, ureadahead [22:34] in a ppa or something [22:34] intel made sreadahead [22:34] we need colin [22:34] many people had issues with it, why they made ureadahead [22:34] anyone can ping him here? [22:38] patdk-wk: you can as well disable it - ureadahead won't do anything good if you fork it on hdd powered system [22:38] but on an ssd? [22:38] and it isn't forking? [22:38] kklimonda: the question is: can we disable it ? [22:38] yes? what do we not gain ? [22:39] BUGabundo: sure - just rename /etc/init/ureadahead.conf to /etc/init/ureadahead.conf.disabled [22:39] same with ureadahead-other.conf [22:39] or comment the start [22:40] it may work too [22:40] yofel, thanks sharing the bug number, let me subscribe myself [22:40] BUGabundo: it doesn't for for you on ssd? have you reported it? [22:40] oh heh, BUGabundo, on mine I killed plymouth :) [22:40] ahaaha [22:41] kklimonda: http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ [22:41]