[02:28] hi Guys [02:28] i need some help [02:29] i;m new ubuntu user [02:29] using on windows with wubi as ntfs partition, [02:29] i;m getting low disk space warnings [02:31] is it really worth to format the partion and and install on 30gb new partion with full installation? [02:33] Enfew, it is possible to move an existing Ubuntu installation to its own partition [02:33] without havingto format the disk [02:34] is this regarding to my question or you are asking me new question? [02:34] There's a HOWTO in the Tutorials and Tips section for that [02:34] Enfew, answering your question [02:34] ok, [02:34] assuming you DO want Windows still as a dual boot option [02:35] ah, you said it is possibel ,and i read "is it possible. [02:35] lol, sory, [02:35] np [02:35] yes, i want win7 as dualboot [02:35] the f drive is around 32 gb [02:35] and formatted in ntfs [02:36] check out the Tutorials and Tips section on Ubuntu Forums [02:36] ok, i just joined ubuntu forums [02:36] i'm checking now [02:36] It has to do with LVM etc,I don't even know the procedure [02:37] i read somewhere that LVM is not compatible to 10.04 [02:37] tell me something [02:37] I installed right onto disk from first experimentwith Linux [02:37] have you used on with wubi? [02:38] nope, installed Wubi once [02:38] at the time I had a functioning Ubuntu installation on disk too [02:38] what i want to know is that, is it worth to migrate from wubi to installation? [02:38] so didn't play around with it much [02:39] I would say yes [02:39] because i dont want to waste so much time because i dont have [02:39] i do work 13 hrs on pc [02:39] but i'm a fulltime freelancer [02:40] the performance benefits of native fs will,IMO, [02:40] make it worth the while [02:40] and i dont want to waste alot of time.. [02:40] but i'm really loving ubuntu [02:40] but you could ask others withmore experience [02:40] btw, what you do? [02:40] i'm indian too :) [02:41] grad student in Elec Engg [02:41] :) [02:41] where is Elec Engg? [02:41] lol [02:41] ElectricalEnggineering [02:41] i know, [02:42] i was talking to somebody else, and i thought ...... [02:42] Enfew: you can't migrate wubi with much luck [02:42] typing with one hand, specially non-dominant hand, while having dinner, is pretty difficult [02:42] ah, i do that too. [02:42] Enfew: it's very hard because it does some funny things to get it to play with the windows mbr [02:42] typing with one hand, [02:42] erm, bootloader [02:42] not mbr [02:42] sorry, I'm tired [02:43] Un-tired yourself. [02:43] paul, i can format this F drive again, [02:43] Enfew, listen to paultag,he's got far more exp/knowledge [02:43] and install fresh [02:43] Enfew: that would be the way to go, just remember to back up the home directory. If you are installing the same distro version number, make a tar gunzip of the /home/ dir and extract it once you install [02:43] collinp: NO WAI [02:44] i will format and install ubuntu from usb, will that work? [02:44] Enfew: it's a bit messy, but wubi was made to be a gateway drug, just get you hooked enough [02:44] Enfew: yessir, yes it will [02:44] also, [02:44] but make sure to use the same username:password as your Wubi install [02:44] meindian523: that does not matter :P [02:44] i have downloaded iso, but checksum is differnet [02:44] meindian523: just the username [02:44] ah [02:44] Enfew: Oh shoot, that's not good [02:45] Enfew: Have you tried re-downloading again? [02:45] * meindian523 used same password too,just to be safe [02:45] then, i downloaded on windows from online installer, [02:45] Enfew: and if so, do the two downloaded files have matching MD5's? [02:45] Enfew, use torrent [02:45] no, i havent tried downloading two isos [02:46] OK [02:46] Enfew: Where did you download it from? [02:46] Enfew: was it from the Ubuntu site? [02:46] ubuntu's main server [02:46] yep,. [02:46] what i want to know is downloading from torrent will work? [02:46] Enfew: I'd just use it, the chance of it actually being corrupt or comprimised is pretty slim [02:47] Enfew: just be sure to update / upgrade as soon as it installs [02:47] Enfew, yes, and it won't have any errors [02:47] Enfew, if you [02:47] re really concerned, you can use the on-disc check* [02:47] +1 aveilleux [02:47] Darn Enter key [02:47] Enfew: aveilleux is right, I'd do that [02:47] +2 [02:48] but i dont have time to check so many stuff, [02:48] because i'm full time freelancer, [02:48] Enfew: it's a very quick test [02:48] Enfew: Because it checks the files, rather than the entire disc, for consistency [02:48] +1 [02:48] Enfew: this install won't take more then an hour [02:48] +2 [02:48] so how did i check it? [02:48] Enfew: it will present you with a menu, just select the test option and hit enter [02:48] how can i perform why dont i just ? [02:48] Enfew: after it will boot as normal [02:48] boot with the CD in the CDROM drive and ^^ [02:49] meindian523: usb * [02:49] ah, right [02:49] Enfew: On the Desktop edition, when the little icons at the bottom of the screen appear (the little man and the keyboard), hit any key and you will be presented with a menu [02:49] boot with the pendrive in the USB port and ^^ [02:49] Enfew: One of those options is to check the disc [02:49] ok, great [02:49] just thought i'd let you guys know, [02:50] Enfew: do you have a copy of it's md5sum? [02:50] That i tried 5 - 6 times installing on pc, and 2 times as full installation, [02:50] i didnt worked, [02:50] Humm [02:50] Enfew: Why? [02:50] ( do you know? ) [02:50] plus i installed this windows tool for checking checksum of ubuntu [02:50] windows ftl [02:51] it says i have differnet checksum [02:51] use md5sum [02:51] when i searched on internet, i saw that redownloading will solve the isssue, [02:52] use md5sum ? [02:52] `md5sum' is a command under most GNU/Linux operating systems [02:52] is there any way i can just download md5sum file and replace with in that iso? [02:53] Enfew, md5sum is a number,not a file [02:54] Enfew: the MD5 sum is like addition, let's say the file looks like: "0001 0100 0001", one sum of a basic algorithm would be 0101 [02:54] meindian523: and if you change the numbers ( data ) in the file, the sum will change [02:54] * meindian523 keeps forgetting that paultag is available [02:54] erm Enfew * [02:54] meindian523: :P [02:54] :) [02:54] yes, i encrypt stuff right? [02:54] Enfew: So, the "checksum" is how you can "check" the file by it's "sum" [02:54] Enfew: you can use it for basic encryption, but it should not be used that way :) [02:55] Enfew: it's a one-way hash [02:55] i mean it encrypt the md5sum into some file [02:55] ok, [02:55] thanks, [02:55] Enfew: nosir, you can't put the MD5 sum of a file into the file it's self [02:55] so i cant use any file? [02:55] nope [02:55] Enfew: because you can't know the md5 sum until you add up the file, and if you don't know the part of the file, you don't know the sum ( recursion ) [02:55] ok, i got the meaning of md5 [02:56] Enfew: are you sure? [02:56] * meindian523 wonders the same [02:56] i use it in mysql db [02:56] Enfew: because you use it does not mean you know how it works [02:56] Enfew: but that's fine, we can move on [02:56] yes, [02:57] give me a sec, [02:57] I'm a patiant guy, I'll give you two [02:57] :) [02:57] lol [02:57] :P [02:57] here, [02:57] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes [02:57] * meindian523 goes to clean up the dishes [02:58] exactly, is what I think paultag will say now [02:58] exactly [02:58] d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8 ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso [02:58] is mine [02:58] Enfew: what's your sum? [02:58] so, i want to know that all ubuntu has same md5? [02:59] wait, what? [02:59] Enfew: I think you're still not getting the point of md5 checksums [02:59] Enfew: Ubuntu's md5sums are published [02:59] ok that md5 checked out [02:59] i checked sum from windows, and rightnow i'm on ubuntu, [03:00] Enfew: can you please furnish the md5sum of the iso? [03:00] Enfew: it would help us greatly :) [03:00] Enfew, did you get that md5 from the page, or did you get it fromthe md5sum [03:00] i get from ubuntu page, [03:00] +1, also make sure it's base 16 [03:00] and not base 64 [03:01] ok, you want to know my md5 ? [03:01] Enfew: yes, please [03:01] how can i check it? [03:01] i really appreciate your help, :) [03:01] thanks paul, and indian523 [03:01] Enfew: sure. Where's the ISO file located? [03:02] Enfew: It's no problem. It's what we're here for [03:02] aveillux too,. [03:02] Enfew: I'm guessing it's on the Windows drive? [03:02] iso is located in e: user > myname > downloads [03:02] yes, [03:03] Enfew: cd /host/user/myname/downloads ( might need to make sure the case is corrent, that matters ) [03:03] Enfew: providing you're in Wubi, of course [03:04] and what about cd /host c: ? [03:04] i mean e ? [03:04] hum? [03:04] Enfew: try doing this for me: [03:04] what should i type to go in the specific partion? [03:04] Enfew: nautilus /host [03:05] wait a sec, [03:05] Enfew: you should not have to, not yet. You might have to if it did something funny [03:05] Enfew: but let's try the easy way first [03:05] i will reboot on win7 [03:05] and then tell you guys [03:05] thanks again [03:05] Enfew: OK [03:05] Enfew: sure, we'll be waiting [03:06] heyya jgoguen, long time no see [03:06] jgoguen: you're missing over in -team [03:06] paultag: Lies! I'm there :) [03:06] oh noes! [03:06] any one please email me http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-beginners url to wordpressexpert@live.com [03:07] because i dont know what url will be on win7. [03:07] thanks :) [03:07] uh, the same URL? [03:07] What [03:07] yep, [03:07] i'm on ubuntu [03:07] Enfew: do this [03:07] Enfew: echo "nautilus /host [03:07] meindian523: I think they mean that they won't remember [03:07] Shoot! [03:07] Enfew: echo "http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-beginners" > /host/webchat.txt [03:08] Enfew: then it will be under C:\webchat.txt [03:08] ok, let me get my hands dirty with this command [03:08] lol [03:08] :) [03:14] back [03:16] heyya Enfew, welcome back [03:16] let me check the md5 [03:20] 25c45fba580067db42a0e975bfb1def9 [03:20] is my md5 [03:20] humm [03:20] yeah, that's wrong [03:20] according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes [03:20] Enfew: I'd redownload it [03:20] i should be d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8 ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso [03:21] ok, [03:21] lets say i download torrent [03:21] and i open iso with rar [03:21] then get the checksum [03:21] and use in this package [03:21] will that work? [03:22] Enfew: I still think you don't know what an md5sum is [03:22] lol. yes [03:22] i dont actually, [03:22] so every package has different md5 or something? [03:23] OK, let's start from scratch [03:23] bare basics [03:23] ok [03:23] Let's use TCP/IP checksums [03:23] they're easy [03:23] ok, [03:23] Tcp/ip, [03:24] lol nothing [03:24] continue [03:24] Let's say you want to send two bits over the line, how do you make sure that they were transmitted without a 0 turning to a 1 Enfew ? [03:24] nothing, [03:24] please countinue. [03:24] hi all [03:24] So, let's say you want to send two bytes "00100110" and "01110101" [03:25] 00100110 [03:25] Hello wambiri, what can we do for you [03:25] 01110101 [03:25] -------- [03:25] ok [03:25] the checksum is 10011011 [03:25] anyone know of any movement on the fglrx driver issues with maverick? [03:25] Enfew: ( add up the two using the one's complement ) [03:26] my lynx is popping up a udev error when it tries to boot [03:26] Enfew: so that the only way that that number is right is if those two bytes were sent without transmission error [03:26] i (foolishly) upgraded to maverick last night [03:26] Enfew: That works fine for small numbers, but not large files [03:27] i'm making progress on the forums though [03:27] Enfew: md5 and sha hases work really well with large dataset to produce a unique hash fingerprint for a set of 0's and 1's [03:27] umm... interesting, [03:27] Enfew: the way you're using md5 sums in a DB is you are doing that "checksum" on a string, and comparing that. It makes it so you can store the PW in the DB without storing the plaintext pw [03:28] Enfew: but instead of a string, you're giving it the whole file [03:28] Enfew: so that md5 is like your mysql db, it just makes sure the password ( iso file ) was transmitted correctly [03:28] got it, [03:28] thanks, [03:28] also, [03:28] Enfew: so you see, you can't put that md5 sum into the file [03:28] Enfew: or the md5sum will change ;) [03:29] just the md5 of "sister" files [03:29] for that matter, you couldn't insert a single byte into the file,because the md5 would change [03:29] meindian523: right, for instance a virus ;) [03:30] yep [03:33] ok, i would like to ask you guys another question, [03:33] for how long you guys are using ubuntu? [03:33] Enfew: since 2001 [03:33] Enfew: Rougly five years now [03:34] have you used windows7? [03:34] Enfew: no [03:34] paultag: Ubuntu was initially released in 2004 <_< [03:34] since 2006 here [03:34] Enfew: I have, yes [03:34] aveilleux: Oh shucks, I thought he said Linux [03:34] * meindian523 has not [03:34] see what you want to see [03:34] since 2007, then [03:34] paultag: Hehe [03:35] paultag: what you do? [03:35] Enfew: I'm a Software Engineer [03:35] I write code, bitches. [03:35] ok, but what exactly? [03:36] i mean your work is around linux? [03:36] linux is something that you cant work with? [03:36] Enfew: I'm doing research these days. I only use Free Software in my work. [03:36] paultag: Can I come work with you? :) [03:37] Enfew: decentralized algorithms, mostly [03:37] jgoguen: sure :) [03:37] paultag, can I get some research guidance? [03:37] what i want to know that, is it worth switching to ubuntu [03:37] meindian523: sure [03:37] Enfew: I'm biased. [03:37] i'm using windows from 4 - 5 years [03:38] Enfew: Most likely, yes it is :) [03:38] so is everyone in this channel [03:38] i have the latest win7 [03:38] sorry to hear that [03:38] Condolences [03:38] i'm not saying win7 is bad, or linux is good [03:38] i'm saying is both has its pros and cons [03:39] i have 15 email accounts configured with email client, so many stuff, [03:39] i work on php, html, css stuff [03:39] i have so many client files [03:39] and stuff [03:39] you know what i'm saying [03:39] Enfew: Everything has pros and cons, any change will require some effort. Part of answering your question will be asking what tools you need and what the best tool for the job really is. [03:40] Enfew, back up to external,restore when done [03:40] rightnow, i like both os, in win7 i have bunch of stuff, and in ubuntu, i have to start from begining. [03:40] but if you need Windows only applications [03:41] stick with Windows [03:41] Enfew: I'm a system administrator and web developer, I have to work with people using Windows and Mac, Photoshop, MS Office, and various other things, and I use Free Software to do it all [03:41] specially if it'll affect your work [03:41] i tried gimp as alternative to photoshop [03:41] but i did not work [03:42] i think you guys have experience when you have to format your pc when you dont want to, [03:42] and then it takes few days to get back on normal track [03:42] but here, in this case, [03:42] As I'm sure you've noticed Gimp and Photoshop work completely differently :) I believe that anything you can do in Photoshop can be done in Gimp, but I guarantee you'll need to learn all of the advanced Photoshop stuff again to do the same stuff in Gimp. [03:43] I can use everything i have, or i have to do it from begining [03:43] jgojuen: thats what i'm saying, i dont have time to learn, because i have pending work of clients to complete [03:43] boss dekho [03:44] so should i switch to ubuntu? [03:44] tumhare paas do machine hai? [03:44] yep, [03:44] but the other is not mine. [03:44] to production machine ko haath mat lagana [03:44] yep, yahi to mai sooch raha hu [03:44] khudke machine par seekhne ke baad poora kaam migrate karo [03:45] acchasocha,ab implement karo [03:45] i'm planning to buy new laptop, but i was thinking to install osx on that, but now hackintosh never works great [03:46] so i think i will install and play with linux on that laptop [03:46] Enfew: Since you have so many things that depend on things working just as you know them now, you should gently move over. Start with Windows-based Free Software and go from there. [03:46] ok, another thing, i would like to ask [03:46] Enfew: You can download Gimp for Windows, Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, and many other Free Software applications for Windows [03:47] thanks a lot guys, i really appreciate your help. [03:47] have anyone hosted any website from his/her own pc? [03:48] I have [03:48] do i have to open my pc for 24 hrs? [03:49] Enfew, you don't have to, but the site won't be up when your computer isn't on. [03:49] Enfew: That's basically it...your site is only accessible while the PC is on. [03:49] yes, [03:50] i know some guys who host their site from homepc [03:50] Enfew: If that's OK, like if it's a test site for work, then you can just shut down at the end of the day like usual. But if you want it accessible 24/7 then your PC must be on 24/7. [03:51] so constant 7 days will not affect on my pc? [03:51] Enfew, plus you need a static IP from BSNL [03:52] static IP? how? [03:52] will my ip work? [03:52] meindian523: Or a service like DynDNS [03:52] jgoguen, possibly [03:52] how, I do not know [03:52] Enfew: Well it will, hard drives will eventually fail and the more a computer is on the sooner the drive will fail, but depending on how long you plan to go before replacing the computer that may not be an issue for you. [03:53] ok, so dyndns will work with it right? [03:54] * meindian523 wonders how that works,goes off for a bit of research [03:54] Enfew: I've had a laptop for over 3 years, it spent the better part of that time acting as a web server, DB server, mail server and SVN server and I still use that laptop today without any problems. [03:54] Enfew: DynDNS should be fine as long as your IP doesn't change very frequently and you set up one of their clients to auto-update your dynamic hostname [03:55] btw, DynDNS have any limitations like you cant use more than bla bla hrs? [03:55] or queries or something? [03:55] They have update limits, but it's something crazy like many updates per day for the same machine. I think it's no more than one IP change every half hour per machine [03:56] i will install on my pc, and host for 12 hrs day, [03:57] lets say site is getting so many visits, it will not exceed dyndns limitations ? [03:58] No, the only issue comes if your IP address changes insanely fast [03:59] ok, and that happens if i host site from different pc right? [04:02] Enfew: Not necessarily. If you disconnect and wait a while you'll probably have a different IP address on the same machine. [04:02] ok, so constant 5 hrs are good right? [04:03] Enfew: Well like I said, their limit is once every half hour [04:03] thanks a lot for the help. [04:03] btw, what you do? [04:04] Enfew: I'm a system administrator and web/software developer [04:06] do you have any website, blogS? [04:07] http://www.jgoguen.ca/ [04:08] nice. [04:08] thanks a lot for the help [04:08] No problem [04:09] btw, i blog at http://enfew.com [04:10] are you fimilar with win registry? [04:11] I know enough to be dangerous and to do the odd virus cleanup, but I refuse to provide any assistance on any Registry unless the computer is physically in front of me [04:11] Enfew, what do you blog about? [04:12] wordpress, php, codeigniter, cakephp, and web dev stuff [04:13] i'm a wordpress freelancer :) [04:13] seidos, what you do?? [04:14] i just got all my answers from this guys, [04:14] they are really helpful. [04:14]