[03:46] <nigelb> elky: heh, for the meeting?
[03:47] <elky> nigelb, yup
[03:47] <nigelb> elky: Did you figure out what you were looking for yesterday?
[03:49] <elky> not yet
[04:37] <svaksha> YAY!!! DPL mentions UW: http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2010/08/msg00031.html
[04:41] <elky> mwahaha *cough cough* I mean Yay!
[04:44] <pleia2> thanks elky :)
[04:45] <elky> It's lovely to see that we did get attention in the wider foss community with those events
[04:46] <elky> since it was kind of the point and all
[04:48] <hypatia> :)
[04:48] <pleia2> you really were right on with those contests, they were great :)
[04:54] <elky> now we just need to get this mentoring stuff in to line
[05:01]  * hypatia actually cooked up some ideas there, elky, will post shortly
[05:02] <svaksha> +1 for mentorin
[05:02] <svaksha> +1 for mentoring
[05:03] <elky> hypatia, whee
[05:04] <hypatia> elky: are you and pleia2 on the debian-women list?
[05:04] <elky> hypatia, I am, yes
[05:05] <elky> If pleia2 isn't i'll be most surprised
[06:20] <jamfish728> Hey, if anybody is awake....is the meeting really at 10:00 UTC?
[06:20] <rww> jamfish728: yes
[06:21] <maco> australia (by which i mean elky) is running the show
[06:21] <jamfish728> grrrr....it's at 3AM where I am.
[06:21] <jamfish728> ah
[06:21] <jamfish728> alright
[06:21] <maco> and the other meeting is at 3AM where she is :P
[06:21] <rww> my attempts to flatten the world have, thusfar, been unsuccessful :(
[06:22] <jamfish728> maco, you mean the previous one?
[06:22] <maco> yeah i think we're alternating between these times
[06:22] <jamfish728> ah
[06:22] <svaksha> which is today
[06:22] <svaksha> meeting is today
[06:22] <jamfish728> yup :)
[06:22] <jamfish728> just wanted to confirm the time
[06:23] <jamfish728> I'm sorry for complaining(I shouldn't be anyways...considering I haven't been invovled as much)
[06:23] <maco> the eastern hemisphere is getting revenge :)
[06:26] <elky> actually, the other one is more like bus-time, but the result is the same
[06:27] <elky> Also, death to ie6
[06:27] <elky> why does it have to still exist? whyyyyy?
[06:28] <hypatia> hey jamfish !
[06:28] <hypatia> long time no seeeee
[06:28] <rww> punishment for web designers abusing tables and flash
[06:28] <hypatia> wait what time is the meeting
[06:28] <hypatia> eastern
[06:28] <hypatia> *phear*
[06:29] <elky> rww, but i dont! :(
[06:29] <rww> elky: you use PHP, don't you? almost as bad.
[06:29] <jamfish> elky: slowly but surely it will die
[06:29] <elky> rww, at least I don't use java
[06:29] <svaksha> hypatia: 1000 hrs utc
[06:29] <hypatia> 5am eastern, right
[06:29] <maco> hypatia: 5am
[06:29] <hypatia> ouch :s
[06:29]  * svaksha runs away on hearing the j word
[06:29] <maco> wait no
[06:29] <maco> daylight savings
[06:29] <jamfish> 3am PDT!
[06:29] <maco> 6am
[06:29] <jamfish> :-D
[06:29] <hypatia> 6am, ahh
[06:29] <hypatia> ok, i can do that
[06:30]  * svaksha is confused with all the time zones
[06:30] <hypatia> i slept for like 13 hours last night
[06:30] <rww> elky: you have a point
[06:30] <jamfish> yeah....you eastern North America people
[06:30] <jamfish> elky why does java get a bad rap(aside from being owned by oracle)?
[06:31] <jamfish> or so I've heard
[06:32] <svaksha> jamfish: i dont find the language elegant as compared to say python or even ruby
[06:32] <maco> hypatia: you see 6am? i only see it if i havent gone to bed yet..
[06:32] <svaksha> mileages vary ofcourse
[06:37] <jamfish> hello jono
[06:38] <jono> hey ja
[06:38] <jono> jamfish,
[06:38] <jamfish> ja's fine too jono (one of my old bosses called me that)
[06:38] <jono> :)
[06:45] <pleia2> hypatia: yeah, I've been involved with debian women since before UW
[06:46] <pleia2> used to help out with the site some, I think I'm still in the alioth group for that in fact
[06:48] <jamfish> pleia2 do you know anymore details about when the training starts?
[06:48] <pleia2> jamfish: during PST it'll be 4AM! :)
[06:48] <pleia2> nope, right now they're just brainstorming
[06:49] <jamfish> ah
[06:55] <jamfish> also, hello hypatia (sorry I didn't say it before, I'm a little distracted from being tired from work)
[07:01] <hypatia> jamfish: no worries, i totally understand :)
[07:01] <hypatia> jamfish: join #ubuntu-women for social chatter, too :)
[09:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:41] <elky> leaving work now, should be home in time
[10:48] <elky> huzzah!
[10:54] <hypatia> yay :D
[11:02] <elky> hypatia, did you forget to hit send on an email today perchance?
[11:02] <hypatia> elky: i did to the list!
[11:03] <hypatia> ...like 10 minutes ago :s
[11:03] <elky> hehe
[11:03] <elky> it'll be comign in this batch of stuff then
[11:04] <elky> Ok, lets roll
[11:05]  * elky hunts for mootbot instructions
[11:05] <hypatia> will you chair?
[11:05]  * hypatia is too sleepy
[11:05] <elky> yup
[11:05] <hypatia> yay thanks :)
[11:06] <elky> #startmeeting
[11:06] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 10:06. The chair is elky.
[11:06] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:06] <elky> YAY!
[11:06] <elky> Ok, then, who is here for the meeting?
[11:06] <czajkowski> o/
[11:07] <elky> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda
[11:07] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/August2010/Agenda
[11:07] <svaksha> hi. /me will be dividing time between another meeting and this
[11:08] <elky> nigelb AlanBell vish?
[11:10] <elky> I guess we'll start on the open items then while we wait
[11:11] <hypatia> works for me
[11:11] <hypatia> if it's just us 4 it'll be a quick meeting :)
[11:11] <elky> [TOPIC] Blueprint progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals
[11:11] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Blueprint progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals
[11:11] <elky> Who owns this one?
[11:12] <elky> czajkowski?
[11:12] <vish> elky: oh hey! i did think about a few ideas for the pollka logo [one! ;p]  i was thinking of "Speak UP, let your voice count!" ,i'm still looking for an inspirational quote that fits that  :)
[11:12] <czajkowski> I *think* pleia2  but not certain
[11:13] <elky> vish, that item isn't up yet
[11:13] <czajkowski> I'm just down as an assigne which you have to do when creating a bp
[11:13] <czajkowski> there is no asignee
[11:13] <vish> elky: oh! k.. confused by the ping.. ;)
[11:13] <elky> czajkowski, should we be assigning to the leadership group?
[11:14] <czajkowski> we didnt at the time have one
[11:14] <elky> Sure, but what about now that we do?
[11:14] <czajkowski> if you've created the leadership team I'm sure you can just assing it there
[11:14] <hypatia> that seems like the right place to assign it
[11:14] <elky> lyz created it since the last meeting iirc
[11:14] <czajkowski> ok let me  go and assing it so once I can find the name
[11:14] <elky> (the iirc being the timeframe, it definitely exists)
[11:14] <czajkowski> any idea of the name ?
[11:15] <elky> ubuntu-women-leaders
[11:15] <czajkowski> done
[11:15] <czajkowski> shold be saving
[11:15] <czajkowski> sorry slow here fixing broken pc
[11:15] <elky> Knowing launchpad it might be done by the time the meeting finishes :)
[11:16] <elky> I'm slow because I'm trying to navigate launchpad
[11:17] <czajkowski> tis done
[11:17] <elky> ok, so the thingies on that list
[11:18] <elky> [lyz] Produce the documentation for Mentoring Program: INPROGRESS
[11:18] <elky> I believe I saw some prodding in the past fortnight, so it is still progressing
[11:19] <elky> pendulum's item depends on that, and so does akgraner's i think
[11:20] <czajkowski> well I guess they'll be at to do till pleia2 is done
[11:20] <czajkowski> as they're both pending on that action item
[11:20] <elky> I'm still yet to start on [Melissa] Re: Ubuntu-Women.org - Work with the design team to define the design direction: but I have now seen the guts of the wp theme
[11:21] <elky> I don't know where lyz is with  [lyz] Re: Ubuntu-Women.org - Identify content to be re-developed: TODO but i think that which is on the site but not on the wiki is probably a good shortlist
[11:22] <elky> [topic] Follow-up on fixed election dates - elky
[11:22] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Follow-up on fixed election dates - elky
[11:22] <elky> The wiki page is currently accurate.
[11:23] <elky> AlanBell? around?
[11:23] <czajkowski> not seen him this morning
[11:23] <elky> [topic] Pollka - what happened next with the UW photo competition code - AlanBell/elky if awake
[11:23] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Pollka - what happened next with the UW photo competition code - AlanBell/elky if awake
[11:25] <elky> Alan mentioned this last meeting, but for those who missed it; the code we used for the polling has been made in to a project: https://launchpad.net/pollka
[11:26] <elky> Any questions?
[11:27] <elky> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/pollka
[11:27] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/pollka
[11:27] <elky> vish?
[11:27] <vish> elky: oh ! i did think about a few ideas for the pollka logo [one! ;p]  i was thinking of "Speak UP, let your voice count!" ,i'm still looking for an inspirational quote that fits that  :)
[11:28]  * hypatia would love to do a security review on it and help people learn how to do that
[11:28] <hypatia> :)
[11:28] <vish> elky: what do you think of that idea ?
[11:28] <vish> elky: http://www.theinsider.com/photos/1233584_Jessica_Alba_Hannibal_Lector_Ad
[11:29] <elky> Uh...
[11:29] <vish> that ^ was the starting point , when i was looking around for ideas..
[11:29] <vish> elky: we wont use that of-course ;p
[11:31] <elky> We'll think about it. DoctorMo is also working on ideas too, so we'll definitely get something that fits one way or the other.
[11:31] <vish> wfm .. :)
[11:32] <elky> Ok moving on.
[11:32] <vish> elky: sry, i didnt have much free time to think either, nigelb had poked me the other day for a pollka logo , and i came up with the initial ideas..
[11:32] <elky> [topic] Proposing a new blueprint - Proposal for a Mentoring Partnerships framework
[11:32] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Proposing a new blueprint - Proposal for a Mentoring Partnerships framework
[11:33] <elky> [link]  http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=504 for background
[11:33] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:   http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=504 for background
[11:34] <elky> [link]  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/MentoringPartnersSpec for the spec
[11:34] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:   http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/MentoringPartnersSpec for the spec
[11:34] <hypatia> so i guess i wanted to clarify whether my addition was in the right direction, elky
[11:34] <hypatia> within this framework do you see us doing the actual "matchmaking"?
[11:34] <elky> I'm onluy just getting a chance to look at it now
[11:35] <elky> What I'd put down was just my POV and I was hoping people would chip in and build upon it
[11:35]  * hypatia nods
[11:36] <elky> I think the asking for qualifications is going to turn some potential mentees off
[11:37]  * svaksha suggests asking mentors (hint, motu's) to list themselves and the kind of mentoring they have time for, teh skill level they expect , etc...
[11:37] <svaksha> the*
[11:37] <hypatia> elky: i'd want to note them all as optional
[11:37] <hypatia> very clearly
[11:38] <elky> svaksha, you mean like we already have?
[11:38] <svaksha> yes, we do
[11:38] <hypatia> or, we can just ask for a freeform "experience level" field that includes education/quals
[11:38] <elky> svaksha, this isn't to replace what we have, it's to add on to what we have :)
[11:38] <hypatia> (keep in mind that the form i linked to was for career, not necessarily technical, mentoring)
[11:38]  * svaksha was not suggesting a replacement
[11:39] <hypatia> we'll definitely be re-asking folks
[11:39] <elky> hypatia, i'd avoid asking mentees at all. people often don't fill forms out because they can't fill in the optional fields; thinking that if they're there then it's important even if not essential
[11:40] <elky> svaksha, but we don't want to be maintaining 2 lists. we already have that list :)
[11:40] <hypatia> hmm, good point
[11:40] <elky> hypatia, and we're talking people who Don't Know How To Ask :-/
[11:40] <hypatia> true@
[11:40] <svaksha> elky: then all is well
[11:41] <elky> svaksha, cool
[11:41] <hypatia> so, action item - talk moar, maybe decide on a platform for taking mentee requests?
[11:42] <elky> hypatia, I'd like it to propose it for discussion at UDS too
[11:42] <hypatia> definitely
[11:42] <elky> [Action] Discuss the blueprint more! -- EVERYONE!
[11:42] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  Discuss the blueprint more! -- EVERYONE!
[11:43] <elky> hypatia correct me if I'm wrong, but neither you nor lyz can make it this time unfortunately?
[11:43] <hypatia> let me noodle on it a bit more, but i think it conflicts with my school stuff
[11:44] <hypatia> i am le sad
[11:44] <hypatia> i'd really love to go to the next one
[11:44] <hypatia> and will for sure attend this one remotely
[11:44] <elky> Which in theory will be somewhere in the depths of .EU
[11:44] <hypatia> yay :D
[11:44]  * hypatia misses her german friends
[11:45] <czajkowski> aye every 6 months it changes from USA to EU
[11:45] <elky> czajkowski, we're still taking bets on when it ends up somewhere classified as Asia
[11:46] <czajkowski> also to note deadline for applying for sponsorship is soon
[11:46] <elky> Yup
[11:46] <czajkowski> The deadline for sponsorship closes on 8th September 2010.
[11:46] <elky> I'll be applying tonight if we agree to put the blueprint forth for uds-n :)
[11:47] <czajkowski> you dont have to have a bp to go to UDS
[11:47] <czajkowski> but sure just apply
[11:47] <czajkowski> but also do a bp, bp are not dependant on UDS or not
[11:47] <elky> well, i wanted to mention it in the form if it was ok to propose it :)
[11:47] <czajkowski> can tbe done either way
[11:47] <hypatia> oh yeah, it's a whole week, i for sure can't go :(
[11:47] <elky> hypatia, :(
[11:47] <czajkowski> so I dont get the saying ppl will apply to uds pending a bp
[11:48] <hypatia> czajkowski: she meant the specific bp we were talking about
[11:48] <elky> czajkowski, putting it in the  form that asks what you'll do at uds Id guess
[11:48] <czajkowski> elky: ok I take that point, but ya don't have to is my point.
[11:48] <czajkowski> hypatia: aye got ti
[11:48] <czajkowski> *it
[11:48] <elky> I know I don't have to.
[11:48] <elky> It won't be my first UDS
[11:49] <elky> Now however, does anyone object to me putting it forth as a UW thing?
[11:49] <elky> which is what I was tryign to ask up there
[11:49]  * hypatia thinks it's a great idea
[11:50] <czajkowski>  as I said, it can be done either way, so yeah no problem
[11:50] <svaksha> elky: put what forth as a UW thing? mentoring?
[11:51]  * svaksha thought mentoring was always a UW thing :)
[11:51] <czajkowski> svaksha: a lot of loco teams do it
[11:51] <elky> svaksha, the blueprint
[11:51] <hypatia> the inter-org mentoring cooperation stuff, svaksha
[11:51] <svaksha> czajkowski: yup they do but mentoring was one of the core things with UW
[11:52] <svaksha> yeah , we should see how we can collaborate more
[11:53] <elky> Ok, i'll action it then
[11:53] <hypatia> woot
[11:54] <elky> [action] propose the mentoring partnerships blueprint for UDS-N - elky
[11:54] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  propose the mentoring partnerships blueprint for UDS-N - elky
[11:54] <hypatia> may i go to sleep now :)
[11:54] <elky> let me consult the agenda :P
[11:55] <elky> Any further announcements?
[11:56] <elky> #endmeeting
[11:56] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 10:56.
[11:56] <elky> yay!
[11:56] <elky> nini hypatia
[11:57] <svaksha> ciao all
[11:57] <hypatia> nite folks!
[11:57]  * hypatia falls over
[11:57] <czajkowski> nn
[21:03]  * AlanBell points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maiatoday
[21:09] <vish> AlanBell: and at the cake too? :D
[21:09] <vish> that looks yummy!