| Blank__ | :| | 09:17 |
|---|---|---|
| prep | Having issues with Jack | 17:48 |
| holstein | hey prep | 17:50 |
| holstein | whats the trouble? | 17:50 |
| prep | hey holstein | 17:50 |
| prep | crashes on start | 17:50 |
| holstein | OK | 17:50 |
| holstein | what sound device are you using? | 17:50 |
| prep | let me get you the log | 17:50 |
| prep | just the built in card, had it working once under Wubi, decided to do a complete Ubuntu install after grub failed | 17:51 |
| prep | I'm test driving to decide if I want to make the move to Linux, longtime Mac user, tired of the Kool-Aid | 17:52 |
| prep | Here's the log | 17:53 |
| prep | Please check your /etc/security/limits.conf for the following lines and correct/add them: @audio - rtprio 100 @audio - nice -10 After applying these changes, please re-login in order for them to take effect. You don't appear to have a sane system configuration. It is very likely that you encounter xruns. Please apply all the above mentioned changes and start jack again! 11:52:3 | 17:53 |
| holstein | OK | 17:53 |
| holstein | what is the output of | 17:53 |
| holstein | uname -a | 17:53 |
| prep | I'm sorry, I don't understand | 17:54 |
| holstein | in a terminal | 17:54 |
| holstein | run that | 17:54 |
| holstein | uname -a | 17:54 |
| prep | In the Terminal, I get "laptop 2.6.32-24-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 28 06:07:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux" | 17:55 |
| holstein | OK | 17:56 |
| holstein | start jack control | 17:56 |
| holstein | but dont start JACK yet | 17:56 |
| holstein | click on 'setup' | 17:56 |
| prep | Ok | 17:56 |
| holstein | on the left side there is a checkbox for 'realtime' | 17:56 |
| prep | checked | 17:56 |
| holstein | make sure that is unchecked | 17:56 |
| prep | Ok | 17:56 |
| holstein | down in the lower right | 17:57 |
| holstein | there is latency in ms | 17:57 |
| holstein | msecs | 17:57 |
| prep | ok | 17:57 |
| holstein | what is that? | 17:57 |
| prep | 46.4 | 17:57 |
| holstein | OK | 17:57 |
| holstein | thats good for now | 17:57 |
| holstein | click OK or SAVE or whatever | 17:58 |
| holstein | and close that | 17:58 |
| prep | done | 17:58 |
| holstein | and get back to the main JACK window | 17:58 |
| holstein | and try starting it | 17:58 |
| prep | same | 17:58 |
| holstein | OK | 17:58 |
| holstein | close that | 17:58 |
| holstein | open a terminal | 17:58 |
| holstein | tyrp | 17:58 |
| holstein | type* | 17:58 |
| holstein | sudo qjackctl | 17:58 |
| holstein | and click start | 17:59 |
| prep | working, what was the issue? | 17:59 |
| holstein | OK | 17:59 |
| holstein | so stop it | 17:59 |
| holstein | and close that | 17:59 |
| holstein | and lets troubleshoot some permissions | 17:59 |
| holstein | you should be in the audio group | 18:00 |
| prep | Ok | 18:00 |
| holstein | but lets double check | 18:00 |
| holstein | run | 18:00 |
| holstein | sudo adduser YOU audio | 18:00 |
| holstein | for me | 18:00 |
| holstein | it would be | 18:00 |
| holstein | sudo adduser holstein audio | 18:00 |
| prep | done | 18:00 |
| holstein | what did it say? | 18:00 |
| prep | user added | 18:00 |
| holstein | AH | 18:00 |
| holstein | so that was probably it then | 18:01 |
| prep | wasn't added was I? | 18:01 |
| holstein | if you were, it should have said | 18:01 |
| holstein | user is already a member of that group | 18:01 |
| holstein | or something like that | 18:01 |
| holstein | anyways | 18:01 |
| holstein | try starting jack control again | 18:01 |
| holstein | and see if it starts | 18:01 |
| holstein | you might need to log out for that to take effect | 18:01 |
| * holstein cant remember | 18:01 | |
| prep | working | 18:01 |
| holstein | COOL | 18:02 |
| holstein | SO | 18:02 |
| holstein | there are a couple things we tweak | 18:02 |
| holstein | stop JACK | 18:02 |
| prep | doen | 18:02 |
| prep | done | 18:02 |
| holstein | and open 'setup' | 18:02 |
| prep | Ok | 18:02 |
| holstein | you see in the middle | 18:02 |
| holstein | sample rate is usually cool at 44100 | 18:03 |
| prep | I see all over, ha. | 18:03 |
| prep | yes | 18:03 |
| holstein | but the others | 18:03 |
| holstein | frames/period | 18:03 |
| holstein | and periods/buffer | 18:03 |
| holstein | those are the ones you can tweak | 18:03 |
| holstein | to get you latency lower | 18:03 |
| holstein | *if needed* | 18:03 |
| holstein | with that internal interface and a generic kernel | 18:04 |
| holstein | 46.4 is fine | 18:04 |
| holstein | but if you plug in a midi keyboard | 18:04 |
| holstein | and try to play a soft synth | 18:04 |
| holstein | you hit a note | 18:04 |
| holstein | and 46.4 msecs later | 18:04 |
| holstein | you hear the sound | 18:04 |
| prep | Ah ok. Whole plan is to get a MSI, run Ardour Q Tractor, deciding on interface, just sold Apogee. | 18:05 |
| holstein | that can be annoying | 18:05 |
| prep | Yes it can | 18:05 |
| prep | latency sucks | 18:05 |
| holstein | well, as you get furthing into it | 18:05 |
| holstein | this is how you tweak that | 18:05 |
| holstein | you can try other kernels | 18:05 |
| prep | roger that | 18:05 |
| prep | What setup are you running? | 18:05 |
| holstein | there are 2 other lower latency ones in the repo | 18:05 |
| prep | cool | 18:05 |
| holstein | i have a presonus firepod | 18:05 |
| holstein | works great | 18:05 |
| prep | Use to have oe | 18:05 |
| prep | one | 18:05 |
| holstein | and resonalby priced | 18:06 |
| holstein | i run the realtime kernel | 18:06 |
| prep | Know those guys well, near my hometown | 18:06 |
| holstein | prep: AH presonus? | 18:06 |
| prep | Wrapping my head around linux audio. Yes, Presonus | 18:06 |
| holstein | cool | 18:06 |
| holstein | prep: its a bit challenging to get started | 18:06 |
| holstein | but quite worth it | 18:06 |
| prep | I'm a recording engineer, work for Apple, getting jaded | 18:06 |
| holstein | there really is nothing like JACK | 18:06 |
| holstein | i use ardrou and JACK on OSX occasianally | 18:07 |
| holstein | ardour* | 18:07 |
| prep | I've been reading on it for the last few years | 18:07 |
| prep | I like Ardour, but I need MIDI | 18:07 |
| holstein | well, welcome :) | 18:07 |
| holstein | ardour is going to get it | 18:07 |
| prep | what do you produce? | 18:07 |
| holstein | soon actually | 18:07 |
| holstein | but with JACK | 18:07 |
| prep | what I read, would be a godsend | 18:07 |
| holstein | you can use whatever you want with ardour | 18:08 |
| prep | Familiar with MSI? | 18:08 |
| holstein | maybe | 18:08 |
| holstein | im thinking MSI the computer company though | 18:08 |
| holstein | like the MSI wind | 18:08 |
| prep | Looking at a new laptop, i5 from them | 18:08 |
| holstein | thats probably not what you are talking about | 18:08 |
| holstein | prep: OH ok | 18:08 |
| holstein | let me throw a couple links at you | 18:09 |
| holstein | http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ | 18:09 |
| holstein | http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/ | 18:09 |
| prep | Just sold my last Mac Book Pro, just too exensive to run Linux on a Mac, I love the hardware though | 18:09 |
| holstein | that last one is a friends blog over in #opensourcemusicians | 18:09 |
| holstein | [lsd] | 18:09 |
| holstein | he does a ot of MIDI in linux | 18:09 |
| prep | sweet, thanks | 18:10 |
| prep | Glad you responded, big help | 18:10 |
| holstein | anytime | 18:10 |
| prep | Those links will come in handy in my journey | 18:11 |
| holstein | i get around 2 msecs latency with my firepod | 18:11 |
| holstein | stable | 18:11 |
| prep | what! nICE | 18:11 |
| holstein | thats with 8 tracks recording at once | 18:11 |
| prep | Where you located? | 18:11 |
| holstein | asheville north carolina | 18:12 |
| prep | I'm in Nashville | 18:12 |
| holstein | cool | 18:12 |
| holstein | i got a friend up there | 18:12 |
| holstein | jimmy dulin | 18:12 |
| holstein | havent talked to him in years though | 18:12 |
| prep | Not familiar | 18:12 |
| holstein | i went to school with brian sutton ;) | 18:13 |
| holstein | i think he would remember me | 18:13 |
| holstein | we used to play a little back then | 18:13 |
| prep | I'm looking for other users in my area, the whole idea of open source appeals to me. I'm from Mississippi originally | 18:13 |
| holstein | hmm | 18:13 |
| prep | I'm jaded on the whole Nashville scene | 18:13 |
| holstein | is there a loco channel? | 18:13 |
| holstein | for nasheville | 18:13 |
| prep | found one on Ubuntu, mostly older gents | 18:14 |
| holstein | well, that wont necessarily help with audio | 18:14 |
| prep | nope | 18:14 |
| holstein | the one here is great | 18:14 |
| holstein | but im really the only audio guy | 18:14 |
| prep | y'all have the whole jam band vibe going | 18:14 |
| holstein | hehe | 18:14 |
| holstein | some of us | 18:14 |
| holstein | i hardly ever play here | 18:14 |
| holstein | its challening to make money in asheville | 18:14 |
| holstein | i drive to charlotte or greenville or where ever | 18:15 |
| holstein | havnet made it up to nashville yet | 18:15 |
| prep | I produce drum and bass. I dj'd years ago, tech house, switched recently to d&b. | 18:15 |
| holstein | i go up to NYC though | 18:15 |
| holstein | thats more where jazz is happening | 18:15 |
| prep | Well, the live show scene is excellent | 18:15 |
| prep | you play jazz? | 18:15 |
| holstein | but i hear nashville has a jazz scene | 18:15 |
| holstein | yeah | 18:15 |
| holstein | well, i play a lot of stuff | 18:15 |
| holstein | but thats what i get paid for mostly | 18:16 |
| prep | I like Miles, Coltrane, Chic, Herbie | 18:16 |
| holstein | cool | 18:16 |
| holstein | we did a chick corea concert here | 18:16 |
| holstein | it was great | 18:16 |
| prep | last year wasn't? | 18:16 |
| holstein | had an acoustic set and an electric one | 18:16 |
| holstein | well, a cover band | 18:16 |
| prep | ah, Herbie played last Sunday night | 18:16 |
| prep | Ryman | 18:17 |
| holstein | cool | 18:17 |
| holstein | i caught herbie here in ashevill | 18:17 |
| holstein | it was just OK really | 18:17 |
| holstein | the first tune was great | 18:17 |
| holstein | and then, because of the moog thing | 18:17 |
| prep | glad to meet someone finally that knows linux audio | 18:17 |
| prep | Jaco's son lives here | 18:17 |
| prep | I want to come to moog Fest | 18:17 |
| holstein | he announced bringing an asheville native to the stage | 18:17 |
| holstein | and it was a moog keyboard | 18:17 |
| holstein | that he did not no how to use | 18:18 |
| prep | nice one | 18:18 |
| prep | ha | 18:18 |
| holstein | so we all paid to see herbie learn where the controls are on a moog | 18:18 |
| holstein | while they played watermelon man | 18:18 |
| prep | weird, thought that was his thing | 18:18 |
| holstein | and the hippies danced | 18:18 |
| holstein | well, he played an ARP | 18:18 |
| holstein | AFAIK | 18:18 |
| holstein | on those old albums | 18:18 |
| holstein | and the technolgy has changed a lot anyways | 18:19 |
| prep | yeah, he did, just thought he'd be well versed in analogue | 18:19 |
| prep | true | 18:19 |
| holstein | i left | 18:19 |
| holstein | but that first tune was great | 18:19 |
| prep | lol, I would have too | 18:19 |
| holstein | a 25 minute 'dolphin dance' | 18:19 |
| holstein | terri lynn carington on drums | 18:19 |
| holstein | she rocked it | 18:19 |
| prep | I'm excited to see what linux audio has in store in the future | 18:20 |
| * holstein too | 18:20 | |
| prep | tom tom club is here in Sept | 18:20 |
| prep | break out my best Byrne moves | 18:20 |
| holstein | hehe | 18:21 |
| prep | well time for lunch, much obliged. Any more links to share? | 18:21 |
| holstein | i can find some for next time :) | 18:21 |
| holstein | prep: IF | 18:21 |
| holstein | you install and boot a realtime kernel | 18:21 |
| holstein | just re-check that box | 18:21 |
| holstein | and your good to go | 18:21 |
| holstein | but i would just 'kick the tires' as is | 18:22 |
| prep | roger that. Take care man. I will be purchasing that MSI soon, and looking back at Presonus. | 18:22 |
| holstein | laterx... | 18:22 |
| prep | this is my GF's old ass Presario to kick tires with | 18:22 |
| prep | easy killa | 18:22 |
| prep | one last question | 18:24 |
| holstein | sure | 18:24 |
| prep | I fired up amSynth, made connections, getting no output | 18:24 |
| holstein | you got a MIDI USB keyboard? | 18:25 |
| prep | yep, korg NanoKey | 18:25 |
| holstein | where did you make the connections? | 18:25 |
| holstein | in that main jack panel | 18:25 |
| prep | Nanokey out to amSynth In | 18:25 |
| holstein | you click 'connect' | 18:26 |
| holstein | then there are 3 tabs | 18:26 |
| holstein | one is 'audio' | 18:26 |
| holstein | and the other 2 are for midi | 18:26 |
| prep | Ok | 18:26 |
| holstein | it can be a little confusing | 18:26 |
| holstein | most of what i do midi-related is over in the alsa tabe | 18:26 |
| holstein | tab* | 18:26 |
| holstein | prep: there are little + signs | 18:26 |
| holstein | in there | 18:26 |
| holstein | you click those to expand everything | 18:26 |
| holstein | your used to a patchbay i bet | 18:27 |
| holstein | so once you get everything showing up there | 18:27 |
| holstein | an expanded | 18:27 |
| holstein | and* | 18:27 |
| holstein | you'll make sense of it quick | 18:27 |
| prep | got it working, MIDI channel was wrong | 18:27 |
| holstein | AH | 18:27 |
| holstein | cool | 18:27 |
| holstein | :) | 18:27 |
| prep | Know to get MIDI control over the parameters? | 18:27 |
| * holstein rarely does midi | 18:28 | |
| holstein | but the folks over in #opensourcemusicians know | 18:28 |
| holstein | and are very helpful | 18:28 |
| prep | well I have a bigger MIDI control with assignable knobs, ok, cool | 18:28 |
| prep | will check, thanks again, later | 18:29 |
| holstein | :) | 18:29 |
| maheanuu | IaOrana Ia Oe hello to all | 20:15 |
| holstein | hey maheanuu | 20:16 |
| maheanuu | I installed US over Lucid 10.04 and now am re installing a lot of the apps that dropped off the ends of the earth and also am having a devil of a time trying to rip and convert audio files | 20:16 |
| maheanuu | Hello Holstein | 20:17 |
| holstein | right | 20:17 |
| holstein | in the future | 20:17 |
| holstein | you can just add the studio apps the lucid | 20:17 |
| holstein | or maverick by then :) | 20:17 |
| holstein | or whatever | 20:17 |
| holstein | rip from CD? | 20:17 |
| holstein | there are some questionable codecs you need | 20:18 |
| holstein | if your working with mp3's | 20:18 |
| maheanuu | My major problem is that I am in the middle of the south pacific 5000miles from any help or anyone that uses Linux | 20:18 |
| holstein | you can run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras | 20:19 |
| holstein | well, your here now :) | 20:19 |
| maheanuu | I ripped about 20 discs yesterday and then found Asunder was only ripping and storing in the AVI format and I cannot find how to get in and configure it or Gnac correctly | 20:20 |
| maheanuu | And I am gonna book mark you.... I am not at the end of the world, I am over it | 20:21 |
| holstein | hehe | 20:21 |
| holstein | so your ripping DVD's | 20:21 |
| holstein | yeah, i just get netflix these days | 20:22 |
| holstein | and comply with the US laws | 20:22 |
| holstein | pretty much | 20:22 |
| maheanuu | that is what I am working with, I finally weaned myself from lil bill and his printing press (for him) and I am spending a lot of time learning and learning and learning | 20:22 |
| holstein | cool | 20:22 |
| holstein | well, it can be done, im sure | 20:22 |
| holstein | did you install that package? | 20:23 |
| holstein | ubuntu-restricted-extras | 20:23 |
| maheanuu | I have cds that are getting to the point of not playing and i cannot replace them as I am here forever | 20:23 |
| maheanuu | that is where I am headed now | 20:24 |
| holstein | well, try installing that stuff | 20:24 |
| holstein | and restarting | 20:24 |
| holstein | hmmm | 20:24 |
| holstein | acutally you shouldnt need to restart or logout | 20:24 |
| holstein | anyways, if that doesnt do it, you need to check on what your grabbing from | 20:24 |
| holstein | and what your converting to | 20:25 |
| holstein | if the cd's are damaged, thats about all you can do | 20:25 |
| holstein | maybe too damaged to read | 20:25 |
| maheanuu | I am running it now and it is going to take awhile as our DSL here is about as a 28k modem | 20:25 |
| holstein | yup | 20:26 |
| holstein | its a lot of stuff too | 20:26 |
| holstein | but you can get it sorted out | 20:26 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio wont help you with that though | 20:26 |
| holstein | the studio packages are for pro audio and video | 20:26 |
| holstein | and graphics | 20:26 |
| maheanuu | am just trying to save what I can and also I am going to be putting about 5k of cassettes on mp3 also before they go bad also | 20:27 |
| holstein | nothing special or different by the way of codecs in it | 20:27 |
| maheanuu | I know and that is why I am presently trying to learn it... I live on the island of Raiatea and I am trying to get the locals interested in using something worth while and seperate from Windoze | 20:28 |
| maheanuu | just checked my download speed according to our post office I am getting 58kbps | 20:29 |
| maheanuu | I have been using Gimp for years and love it | 20:29 |
| maheanuu | I haven't had to do very many restarts unless it was fooling with the kernel | 20:30 |
| maheanuu | I used to be (eons ago) a field engineer for Sperry Univacd | 20:31 |
| maheanuu | I moved here to French Polynesia and now I am playing ketchup.... and am older than dirt among other attributes | 20:32 |
| maheanuu | I have been studying and learning all my life and that is a long long time..... I find that I can't seem to find it in me to let go and quit... I am always trying to learn something | 20:34 |
| holstein | thats great :) | 20:36 |
| holstein | i feel the same way | 20:36 |
| * holstein is a tinkerer | 20:36 | |
| maheanuu | Ok am in the installation mode now..... | 20:37 |
| maheanuu | where are you located holstein? | 20:38 |
| holstein | ashville north carolina US | 20:38 |
| holstein | asheville* | 20:38 |
| maheanuu | Ok, that is a beautiful place I passed thru there way back in the 50's on my way to Cecil field in Jax fla | 20:39 |
| maheanuu | I spent most of my navy career in Asia, did a 2 month stint at Cecil and was transferred back to Japan | 20:40 |
| holstein | yeah, i like it here | 20:40 |
| holstein | just got a place downtown this year | 20:41 |
| * holstein was living up in the woods | 20:41 | |
| holstein | that was nice too | 20:41 |
| maheanuu | I retired out in 74 and became a sperry univac field engineer and rite back to the Navy this time as a LCDR equiv and a lot better pay | 20:41 |
| holstein | nice | 20:41 |
| maheanuu | I immigrated here in 77 and became a citizen in 84 when my mil obligations were fulfilled | 20:42 |
| maheanuu | Ok, I am done and now I will go to asunder and Gnac and see if I can configure them and get them to play nice with me...... Thanks much for your time and I WILL be back.... | 20:44 |
| holstein | maheanuu: anytime | 20:45 |
| prep | I cannot get Bristol to load properly. Some GUI's open, others, black box, then shuts. No sound ever. | 21:57 |
| holstein | prep: bristol only? | 23:14 |
| holstein | you might need to relax your JACK settings more | 23:15 |
| holstein | some of that might be bristol | 23:15 |
| holstein | some of it might be the generic kernel | 23:15 |
| * persia never had much luck with running bristol | 23:15 | |
| holstein | yeah | 23:15 |
| holstein | i was going to say, i havnet tried bristol in a while, but when i did, i quickly found other soft synths i liked better | 23:16 |
| holstein | zynaddsubfx or yoshi | 23:16 |
| holstein | xsynth | 23:16 |
| holstein | whysynth | 23:16 |
| persia | whysynth is nice | 23:17 |
| prep | cool, thanks for the 411 | 23:53 |
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