[09:17] <Blank__> :|
[17:48] <prep> Having issues with Jack
[17:50] <holstein> hey prep
[17:50] <holstein> whats the trouble?
[17:50] <prep> hey holstein
[17:50] <prep> crashes on start
[17:50] <holstein> OK
[17:50] <holstein> what sound device are you using?
[17:50] <prep> let me get you the log
[17:51] <prep> just the built in card, had it working once under Wubi, decided to do a complete Ubuntu install after grub failed
[17:52] <prep> I'm test driving to decide if I want to make the move to Linux, longtime Mac user, tired of the Kool-Aid
[17:53] <prep> Here's the log
[17:53] <prep> Please check your /etc/security/limits.conf for the following lines and correct/add them:   @audio          -       rtprio          100   @audio          -       nice            -10 After applying these changes, please re-login in order for them to take effect. You don't appear to have a sane system configuration. It is very likely that you encounter xruns. Please apply all the above mentioned changes and start jack again! 11:52:3
[17:53] <holstein> OK
[17:53] <holstein> what is the output of
[17:53] <holstein> uname -a
[17:54] <prep> I'm sorry, I don't understand
[17:54] <holstein> in a terminal
[17:54] <holstein> run that
[17:54] <holstein> uname -a
[17:55] <prep> In the Terminal, I get  "laptop 2.6.32-24-generic #39-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 28 06:07:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux"
[17:56] <holstein> OK
[17:56] <holstein> start jack control
[17:56] <holstein> but dont start JACK yet
[17:56] <holstein> click on 'setup'
[17:56] <prep> Ok
[17:56] <holstein> on the left side there is a checkbox for 'realtime'
[17:56] <prep> checked
[17:56] <holstein> make sure that is unchecked
[17:56] <prep> Ok
[17:57] <holstein> down in the lower right
[17:57] <holstein> there is latency in ms
[17:57] <holstein> msecs
[17:57] <prep> ok
[17:57] <holstein> what is that?
[17:57] <prep> 46.4
[17:57] <holstein> OK
[17:57] <holstein> thats good for now
[17:58] <holstein> click OK or SAVE or whatever
[17:58] <holstein> and close that
[17:58] <prep> done
[17:58] <holstein> and get back to the main JACK window
[17:58] <holstein> and try starting it
[17:58] <prep> same
[17:58] <holstein> OK
[17:58] <holstein> close that
[17:58] <holstein> open a terminal
[17:58] <holstein> tyrp
[17:58] <holstein> type*
[17:58] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[17:59] <holstein> and click start
[17:59] <prep> working, what was the issue?
[17:59] <holstein> OK
[17:59] <holstein> so stop it
[17:59] <holstein> and close that
[17:59] <holstein> and lets troubleshoot some permissions
[18:00] <holstein> you should be in the audio group
[18:00] <prep> Ok
[18:00] <holstein> but lets double check
[18:00] <holstein> run
[18:00] <holstein> sudo adduser YOU audio
[18:00] <holstein> for me
[18:00] <holstein> it would be
[18:00] <holstein> sudo adduser holstein audio
[18:00] <prep> done
[18:00] <holstein> what did it say?
[18:00] <prep> user added
[18:00] <holstein> AH
[18:01] <holstein> so that was probably it then
[18:01] <prep> wasn't added was I?
[18:01] <holstein> if you were, it should have said
[18:01] <holstein> user is already a member of that group
[18:01] <holstein> or something like that
[18:01] <holstein> anyways
[18:01] <holstein> try starting jack control again
[18:01] <holstein> and see if it starts
[18:01] <holstein> you might need to log out for that to take effect
[18:01]  * holstein cant remember
[18:01] <prep> working
[18:02] <holstein> COOL
[18:02] <holstein> SO
[18:02] <holstein> there are a couple things we tweak
[18:02] <holstein> stop JACK
[18:02] <prep> doen
[18:02] <prep> done
[18:02] <holstein> and open 'setup'
[18:02] <prep> Ok
[18:02] <holstein> you see in the middle
[18:03] <holstein> sample rate is usually cool at 44100
[18:03] <prep> I see all over, ha.
[18:03] <prep> yes
[18:03] <holstein> but the others
[18:03] <holstein> frames/period
[18:03] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[18:03] <holstein> those are the ones you can tweak
[18:03] <holstein> to get you latency lower
[18:03] <holstein> *if needed*
[18:04] <holstein> with that internal interface and a generic kernel
[18:04] <holstein> 46.4 is fine
[18:04] <holstein> but if you plug in a midi keyboard
[18:04] <holstein> and try to play a soft synth
[18:04] <holstein> you hit a note
[18:04] <holstein> and 46.4 msecs later
[18:04] <holstein> you hear the sound
[18:05] <prep> Ah ok. Whole plan is to get a MSI, run Ardour Q Tractor, deciding on interface, just sold Apogee.
[18:05] <holstein> that can be annoying
[18:05] <prep> Yes it can
[18:05] <prep> latency sucks
[18:05] <holstein> well, as you get furthing into it
[18:05] <holstein> this is how you tweak that
[18:05] <holstein> you can try other kernels
[18:05] <prep> roger that
[18:05] <prep> What setup are you running?
[18:05] <holstein> there are 2 other lower latency ones in the repo
[18:05] <prep> cool
[18:05] <holstein> i have a presonus firepod
[18:05] <holstein> works great
[18:05] <prep> Use to have oe
[18:05] <prep> one
[18:06] <holstein> and resonalby priced
[18:06] <holstein> i run the realtime kernel
[18:06] <prep> Know those guys well, near my hometown
[18:06] <holstein> prep: AH presonus?
[18:06] <prep> Wrapping my head around linux audio. Yes, Presonus
[18:06] <holstein> cool
[18:06] <holstein> prep: its a bit challenging to get started
[18:06] <holstein> but quite worth it
[18:06] <prep> I'm a recording engineer, work for Apple, getting jaded
[18:06] <holstein> there really is nothing like JACK
[18:07] <holstein> i use ardrou and JACK on OSX occasianally
[18:07] <holstein> ardour*
[18:07] <prep> I've been reading on it for the last few years
[18:07] <prep> I like Ardour, but I need MIDI
[18:07] <holstein> well, welcome :)
[18:07] <holstein> ardour is going to get it
[18:07] <prep> what do you produce?
[18:07] <holstein> soon actually
[18:07] <holstein> but with JACK
[18:07] <prep> what I read, would be a godsend
[18:08] <holstein> you can use whatever you want with ardour
[18:08] <prep> Familiar with MSI?
[18:08] <holstein> maybe
[18:08] <holstein> im thinking MSI the computer company though
[18:08] <holstein> like the MSI wind
[18:08] <prep> Looking at a new laptop, i5 from them
[18:08] <holstein> thats probably not what you are talking about
[18:08] <holstein> prep: OH ok
[18:09] <holstein> let me throw a couple links at you
[18:09] <holstein> http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[18:09] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[18:09] <prep> Just sold my last Mac Book Pro, just too exensive to run Linux on a Mac, I love the hardware though
[18:09] <holstein> that last one is a friends blog over in #opensourcemusicians
[18:09] <holstein> [lsd]
[18:09] <holstein> he does a ot of MIDI in linux
[18:10] <prep> sweet, thanks
[18:10] <prep> Glad you responded, big help
[18:10] <holstein> anytime
[18:11] <prep> Those links will come in handy in my journey
[18:11] <holstein> i get around 2 msecs latency with my firepod
[18:11] <holstein> stable
[18:11] <prep> what! nICE
[18:11] <holstein> thats with 8 tracks recording at once
[18:11] <prep> Where you located?
[18:12] <holstein> asheville north carolina
[18:12] <prep> I'm in Nashville
[18:12] <holstein> cool
[18:12] <holstein> i got a friend up there
[18:12] <holstein> jimmy dulin
[18:12] <holstein> havent talked to him in years though
[18:12] <prep> Not familiar
[18:13] <holstein> i went to school with brian sutton ;)
[18:13] <holstein> i think he would remember me
[18:13] <holstein> we used to play a little back then
[18:13] <prep> I'm looking for other users in my area, the whole idea of open source appeals to me. I'm from Mississippi originally
[18:13] <holstein> hmm
[18:13] <prep> I'm jaded on the whole Nashville scene
[18:13] <holstein> is there a loco channel?
[18:13] <holstein> for nasheville
[18:14] <prep> found one on Ubuntu, mostly older gents
[18:14] <holstein> well, that wont necessarily help with audio
[18:14] <prep> nope
[18:14] <holstein> the one here is great
[18:14] <holstein> but im really the only audio guy
[18:14] <prep> y'all have the whole jam band vibe going
[18:14] <holstein> hehe
[18:14] <holstein> some of us
[18:14] <holstein> i hardly ever play here
[18:14] <holstein> its challening to make money in asheville
[18:15] <holstein> i drive to charlotte or greenville or where ever
[18:15] <holstein> havnet made it up to nashville yet
[18:15] <prep> I produce drum and bass. I dj'd years ago, tech house, switched recently to d&b.
[18:15] <holstein> i go up to NYC though
[18:15] <holstein> thats more where jazz is happening
[18:15] <prep> Well, the live show scene is excellent
[18:15] <prep> you play jazz?
[18:15] <holstein> but i hear nashville has a jazz scene
[18:15] <holstein> yeah
[18:15] <holstein> well, i play a lot of stuff
[18:16] <holstein> but thats what i get paid for mostly
[18:16] <prep> I like Miles, Coltrane, Chic, Herbie
[18:16] <holstein> cool
[18:16] <holstein> we did a chick corea concert here
[18:16] <holstein> it was great
[18:16] <prep> last year wasn't?
[18:16] <holstein> had an acoustic set and an electric one
[18:16] <holstein> well, a cover band
[18:16] <prep> ah, Herbie played last Sunday night
[18:17] <prep> Ryman
[18:17] <holstein> cool
[18:17] <holstein> i caught herbie here in ashevill
[18:17] <holstein> it was just OK really
[18:17] <holstein> the first tune was great
[18:17] <holstein> and then, because of the moog thing
[18:17] <prep> glad to meet someone finally that knows linux audio
[18:17] <prep> Jaco's son lives here
[18:17] <prep> I want to come to moog Fest
[18:17] <holstein> he announced bringing an asheville native to the stage
[18:17] <holstein> and it was a moog keyboard
[18:18] <holstein> that he did not no how to use
[18:18] <prep> nice one
[18:18] <prep> ha
[18:18] <holstein> so we all paid to see herbie learn where the controls are on a moog
[18:18] <holstein> while they played watermelon man
[18:18] <prep> weird, thought that was his thing
[18:18] <holstein> and the hippies danced
[18:18] <holstein> well, he played an ARP
[18:18] <holstein> AFAIK
[18:18] <holstein> on those old albums
[18:19] <holstein> and the technolgy has changed a lot anyways
[18:19] <prep> yeah, he did, just thought he'd be well versed in analogue
[18:19] <prep> true
[18:19] <holstein> i left
[18:19] <holstein> but that first tune was great
[18:19] <prep> lol, I would have too
[18:19] <holstein> a 25 minute 'dolphin dance'
[18:19] <holstein> terri lynn carington on drums
[18:19] <holstein> she rocked it
[18:20] <prep> I'm excited to see what linux audio has in store in the future
[18:20]  * holstein too
[18:20] <prep> tom tom club is here in Sept
[18:20] <prep> break out my best Byrne moves
[18:21] <holstein> hehe
[18:21] <prep> well time for lunch, much obliged. Any more links to share?
[18:21] <holstein> i can find some for next time :)
[18:21] <holstein> prep: IF
[18:21] <holstein> you install and boot a realtime kernel
[18:21] <holstein> just re-check that box
[18:21] <holstein> and your good to go
[18:22] <holstein> but i would just 'kick the tires' as is
[18:22] <prep> roger that. Take care man. I will be purchasing that MSI soon, and looking back at Presonus.
[18:22] <holstein> laterx...
[18:22] <prep> this is my GF's old ass Presario to kick tires with
[18:22] <prep> easy killa
[18:24] <prep> one last question
[18:24] <holstein> sure
[18:24] <prep> I fired up amSynth, made connections, getting no output
[18:25] <holstein> you got a MIDI USB keyboard?
[18:25] <prep> yep, korg NanoKey
[18:25] <holstein> where did you make the connections?
[18:25] <holstein> in that main jack panel
[18:25] <prep> Nanokey out to amSynth In
[18:26] <holstein> you click 'connect'
[18:26] <holstein> then there are 3 tabs
[18:26] <holstein> one is 'audio'
[18:26] <holstein> and the other 2 are for midi
[18:26] <prep> Ok
[18:26] <holstein> it can be a little confusing
[18:26] <holstein> most of what i do midi-related is over in the alsa tabe
[18:26] <holstein> tab*
[18:26] <holstein> prep: there are little + signs
[18:26] <holstein> in there
[18:26] <holstein> you click those to expand everything
[18:27] <holstein> your used to a patchbay i bet
[18:27] <holstein> so once you get everything showing up there
[18:27] <holstein> an expanded
[18:27] <holstein> and*
[18:27] <holstein> you'll make sense of it quick
[18:27] <prep> got it working, MIDI channel was wrong
[18:27] <holstein> AH
[18:27] <holstein> cool
[18:27] <holstein> :)
[18:27] <prep> Know to get MIDI control over the parameters?
[18:28]  * holstein rarely does midi
[18:28] <holstein> but the folks over in #opensourcemusicians know
[18:28] <holstein> and are very helpful
[18:28] <prep> well I have a bigger MIDI control with assignable knobs, ok, cool
[18:29] <prep> will check, thanks again, later
[18:29] <holstein> :)
[20:15] <maheanuu> IaOrana Ia Oe hello to all
[20:16] <holstein> hey maheanuu
[20:16] <maheanuu> I installed US over Lucid 10.04 and now am re installing a lot of the apps that dropped off the ends of the earth and also am having a devil of a time trying to rip and convert audio files
[20:17] <maheanuu> Hello Holstein
[20:17] <holstein> right
[20:17] <holstein> in the future
[20:17] <holstein> you can just add the studio apps the lucid
[20:17] <holstein> or maverick by then :)
[20:17] <holstein> or whatever
[20:17] <holstein> rip from CD?
[20:18] <holstein> there are some questionable codecs you need
[20:18] <holstein> if your working with mp3's
[20:18] <maheanuu> My major problem is that I am in the middle of the south pacific 5000miles from any help or anyone that uses Linux
[20:19] <holstein> you can run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:19] <holstein> well, your here now :)
[20:20] <maheanuu> I ripped about 20 discs yesterday and then found Asunder was only ripping and storing in the AVI format and I cannot find how to get in and configure it or Gnac correctly
[20:21] <maheanuu> And I am gonna book mark you....    I am not at the end of the world, I am over it
[20:21] <holstein> hehe
[20:21] <holstein> so your ripping DVD's
[20:22] <holstein> yeah, i just get netflix these days
[20:22] <holstein> and comply with the US laws
[20:22] <holstein> pretty much
[20:22] <maheanuu> that is what I am working with, I finally weaned myself from lil bill and his printing press (for him) and I am spending a lot of time learning and learning and learning
[20:22] <holstein> cool
[20:22] <holstein> well, it can be done, im sure
[20:23] <holstein> did you install that package?
[20:23] <holstein> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:23] <maheanuu> I have cds that are getting to the point of not playing and i cannot replace them as I am here forever
[20:24] <maheanuu> that is where I am headed now
[20:24] <holstein> well, try installing that stuff
[20:24] <holstein> and restarting
[20:24] <holstein> hmmm
[20:24] <holstein> acutally you shouldnt need to restart or logout
[20:24] <holstein> anyways, if that doesnt do it, you need to check on what your grabbing from
[20:25] <holstein> and what your converting to
[20:25] <holstein> if the cd's are damaged, thats about all you can do
[20:25] <holstein> maybe too damaged to read
[20:25] <maheanuu> I am running it now and it is going to take awhile as our DSL here is about as a 28k modem
[20:26] <holstein> yup
[20:26] <holstein> its a lot of stuff too
[20:26] <holstein> but you can get it sorted out
[20:26] <holstein> ubuntustudio wont help you with that though
[20:26] <holstein> the studio packages are for pro audio and video
[20:26] <holstein> and graphics
[20:27] <maheanuu>  am just trying to save what I can and also I am going to be putting about 5k of cassettes on mp3 also before they go bad also
[20:27] <holstein> nothing special or different by the way of codecs in it
[20:28] <maheanuu> I know and that is why I am presently trying to learn it...   I live on the island of Raiatea and I am trying to get the locals interested in using something worth while and seperate from Windoze
[20:29] <maheanuu> just checked my download speed according to our post office I am getting 58kbps
[20:29] <maheanuu> I have been using Gimp for years and love it
[20:30] <maheanuu> I haven't had to do very many restarts unless it was fooling with the kernel
[20:31] <maheanuu> I used to be (eons ago) a field engineer for Sperry Univacd
[20:32] <maheanuu> I moved here to French Polynesia and now I am playing ketchup....   and am older than dirt among other attributes
[20:34] <maheanuu> I have been studying and learning all my life and that is a long long time.....  I find that I can't seem to find it in me to let go and quit...  I am always trying to learn something
[20:36] <holstein> thats great :)
[20:36] <holstein> i feel the same way
[20:36]  * holstein is a tinkerer
[20:37] <maheanuu> Ok am in the installation mode now.....
[20:38] <maheanuu> where are you located holstein?
[20:38] <holstein> ashville north carolina US
[20:38] <holstein> asheville*
[20:39] <maheanuu> Ok, that is a beautiful place I passed thru there way back in the 50's on my way to Cecil field in Jax fla
[20:40] <maheanuu> I spent most of my navy career in Asia, did a 2 month stint at Cecil and was transferred back to Japan
[20:40] <holstein> yeah, i like it here
[20:41] <holstein> just got a place downtown this year
[20:41]  * holstein was living up in the woods
[20:41] <holstein> that was nice too
[20:41] <maheanuu> I retired out in 74 and became a sperry univac field engineer and rite back to the Navy this time as a LCDR equiv and a lot better pay
[20:41] <holstein> nice
[20:42] <maheanuu> I immigrated here in 77 and became a citizen in 84 when my mil obligations were fulfilled
[20:44] <maheanuu> Ok, I am done and now I will go to asunder and Gnac and see if I can configure them and get them to play nice with me......   Thanks much for your time and I WILL be back....
[20:45] <holstein> maheanuu: anytime
[21:57] <prep> I cannot get Bristol to load properly. Some GUI's open, others, black box, then shuts. No sound ever.
[23:14] <holstein> prep: bristol only?
[23:15] <holstein> you might need to relax your JACK settings more
[23:15] <holstein> some of that might be bristol
[23:15] <holstein> some of it might be the generic kernel
[23:15]  * persia never had much luck with running bristol
[23:15] <holstein> yeah
[23:16] <holstein> i was going to say, i havnet tried bristol in a while, but when i did, i quickly found other soft synths i liked better
[23:16] <holstein> zynaddsubfx or yoshi
[23:16] <holstein> xsynth
[23:16] <holstein> whysynth
[23:17] <persia> whysynth is nice
[23:53] <prep> cool, thanks for the 411