| JanCBorchardt | vish, Iām starting to look into One Hundred Paper Cuts, slap me if I do something wrong ;) | 01:51 |
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| Cimi | ivanka: iainfarrell1 : is it ok if I continue to answer to comments on the design blog? | 10:14 |
| Cimi | MacSlow: ping | 10:18 |
| MacSlow | hey Cimi, what's up? | 10:20 |
| Cimi | two things man ;) | 10:20 |
| Cimi | 3 maybe :D one is OT | 10:20 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, gee... you're demanding today ;) | 10:20 |
| Cimi | 1) the glow around menu is slowing down performances, many users reported performance issue, is there something I could do? (caching or so) | 10:21 |
| Cimi | 2) I would like to change gwd gconf default properties and shift compiz shadow a bit | 10:21 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, well of course you should do caching... if the size/allocation doesn't change... _don't_ recreate the glow | 10:22 |
| Cimi | 3) I've bought my first scooter/motorcycle, it's a 300cc but it's ok for being the first! maybe someday I will buy a real ducati and come in germany to you :P | 10:22 |
| iainfarrell1 | Cimi congrats on the bike :) | 10:23 |
| iainfarrell1 | that's very cool :) | 10:23 |
| iainfarrell1 | As for the comments on the blog, yes please do comment | 10:24 |
| iainfarrell1 | but don't feel like you have to respond immediately | 10:24 |
| iainfarrell1 | I'd suggest letting the post settle and then picking some to respond to | 10:24 |
| Cimi | as I'm doing now | 10:24 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, regarding 2.) you got to tweak gconf-values below /apps/compiz/plugins/decoration/allscreens/options/shadow_* | 10:24 |
| Cimi | iainfarrell1: I just wanted to stop people continue blaming otto's wallpaper | 10:25 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, regarding 3.) where are the pictures? :) | 10:25 |
| Cimi | iainfarrell1: it has being annoying, even on omgubuntu 160+ comments of rants | 10:25 |
| Cimi | MacSlow: I know for 2), but could you guide me patching compiz/gwd? | 10:26 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, regarding 2.) change /apps/compiz/plugins/decoration/allscreens/options/shadow_x_offset and shadow_y_offset | 10:26 |
| Cimi | MacSlow: I know! I already did it through compizconfig settings manager | 10:26 |
| Cimi | :) | 10:26 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, you don#t need to patch them... just change the values... it's gconf | 10:26 |
| Cimi | I just want to ship the new setting by default | 10:26 |
| Cimi | I just want to ship the new setting by default | 10:26 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, I'm looking up the xml-file needed to tweak these two values | 10:28 |
| Cimi | thank you | 10:29 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, it's /usr/share/compiz/decoration.xml being part of package compiz-plugins | 10:29 |
| Cimi | for 3) pictures of me will come next week when the byke will arrive :P | 10:29 |
| Cimi | MacSlow: do you have an idea on how I could do caching? | 10:30 |
| Cimi | saving a pixmap? | 10:30 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, regarding the caching... I'd say surface-buffering is the best way... it's all cairo anyway, so I would not convert it to a pixbuf | 10:31 |
| Cimi | oh cool | 10:31 |
| Cimi | I never played with buffering | 10:32 |
| Cimi | are there any APIs? | 10:32 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, there's no dedicated API for surface-buffering/caching in cairo... it's how you deal with cairo_surface_t* | 10:33 |
| Cimi | because actually the theming engine receives an area, x, y, width, height | 10:33 |
| Cimi | where it draws the menu (the glow) | 10:33 |
| Cimi | when I move a menuitem, it seems the menu is getting redrawn | 10:34 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, general approach is... per widget (e.g. menu) keep the allocation/size (colors even) stored... | 10:34 |
| Cimi | the thing is, I'm not sure each drawing knows about its previous | 10:34 |
| Cimi | so, I really don't know how I could cache it | 10:35 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, and in every expose of the menu check these stored values (width, height, colors) against the last ones saved... if any of these changed, re-create the glow... otherwise don't and use the last created surface for painting | 10:36 |
| MacSlow | that way you'll save re-creating the glow | 10:36 |
| MacSlow | of course when any of the stored values changed (and you had to re-create the surface-cache) you need to updated the stored values with the new ones | 10:37 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, that's the general approach of it | 10:37 |
| Cimi | sorry | 10:41 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, I'm not sure how theme-engines work in detail, so I can't point you to the exact spot where you'd best hook up the caching | 10:41 |
| Cimi | got disconnected after | 10:41 |
| Cimi | 11:35:20 Cimi | so, I really don't know how I could cache it | 10:41 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, but it has to be on a per-widget-basis for sure | 10:41 |
| MacSlow | If one would write a new widget it be simple... derive from an existing one and add the caching mechanism... so it'll become transparent to the user of the widget | 10:43 |
| MacSlow | but for existing apps/widgets it has to happen elsewhere | 10:43 |
| vish | Cimi: i would suggest using the artwork mailing list as a source for discussion about the theme rather than the blog comments :) | 10:59 |
| vish | s/source/playground ;) | 10:59 |
| Cimi | sorry I don't know ifyou read me before | 11:05 |
| Cimi | 11:42:08 MacSlow | Cimi, but it has to be on a per-widget-basis for sure ā gabaug | 11:05 |
| Cimi | 11:46:16 Cimi | MacSlow: do you have some code handy? ā gambs | 11:05 |
| Cimi | 11:49:59 Cimi | MacSlow: do you hear me? I had some disconnections, now the ADSL seems stable, last thing I read was MacSlow | Cimi, but it has to ā godbyk | 11:05 |
| Cimi | ops | 11:05 |
| Cimi | MacSlow? | 11:05 |
| Cimi | o maybe | 11:07 |
| Cimi | MacSuperSlow? :) | 11:07 |
| Cimi | vish: mailing list has less visibility, we want to reach any kind of user | 11:08 |
| vish | Cimi: it has less visibility? i dont think so, its just a bad perception :) the countdown banner was announced on the ML alone, it has a huge number of submissions | 11:09 |
| vish | Cimi: you can just add a comment asking re-directing everyone to the ML, it would address your visibility concern too | 11:10 |
| Cimi | it's a matter of choice | 11:10 |
| Cimi | I don't think everyone will subscribe to the mailing list just to post his impression | 11:10 |
| Cimi | for example, I wouldn't | 11:11 |
| Cimi | also, being subscribed to the mailing list for a long time, I have the feeling that the quality is low, I mean, I can see only few talented guys | 11:12 |
| vish | Cimi: do you really want an impression from someone commenting "I demant perfection, i am UI fetishist" , how helpful is that gonna be to improve the theme? ;) | 11:12 |
| vish | Cimi: yes, the mailing list is not used properly, not even sure if we need one if we are not going to use .. | 11:13 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, notify-osd uses surface-buffering | 11:20 |
| Cimi | cool | 11:21 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, but it's done application-side there... you nothing that would work in a theme-engine | 11:21 |
| Cimi | oh d'oh | 11:21 |
| MacSlow | I don't know how to approach that... you're the theme-engine dude | 11:21 |
| Cimi | could you find 30 mins to help me today or another moment? | 11:21 |
| Cimi | yeah | 11:21 |
| Cimi | it's an important task | 11:21 |
| MacSlow | Cimi, sorry... I've still bugs to kill myself | 11:22 |
| Cimi | yeah | 11:22 |
| Cimi | not today | 11:22 |
| Cimi | maybe next week | 11:22 |
| Cimi | I don't want to remove the glow just because I don't know how to cache it | 11:22 |
| Cimi | bratsche: ping | 11:30 |
| Cimi | MacSlow: the only idea I have is to store the surface in memory | 11:33 |
| Cimi | but I don't know how I could do this | 11:33 |
| Cimi | because if I'm correct each rendering behaves like a different istance of the engine | 11:33 |
| Cimi | I might need to speak with cody | 11:33 |
| lucidfox | Is it possible to port a Qt application use appindicators without introducing a GTK dependency? | 12:03 |
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| thorwil | vish: if the artwork mailing list was a horse, we'd should take it behind the barn to shoot it (out of mercy) | 12:07 |
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| vish | thorwil: +2 twice for extra mercy :D | 14:00 |
| jfi | Hello, I have an compatibility issue regarding ApplicationIndicator, the following code: http://pastebin.com/8PxKgYTB changes correctly the icon with lucid but not with maverick. Is it a known issue? Did I miss something? | 14:15 |
| Cimi | davidbarth: now do you have occasion to test the theme? | 15:32 |
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| davidbarth | Cimi: sorry, not yet, hopping from calls to channels | 16:06 |
| vlada | hi again. Sorry for bothering, but can you take a look at Bug #621838 again. Thanks in advance | 16:49 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 621838 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout part of indicator applet disappears (dup-of: 623205)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621838 | 16:49 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 623205 in Application Indicators "Indicator applet sets the label on the wrong indicator (affected: 2, heat: 116)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623205 | 16:49 |
| kklimonda | vlada: it's fixed, right? | 16:51 |
| vlada | nope, unfortunately | 16:52 |
| kklimonda | vlada: so the fix is wrong? can you add a comment to the bug? | 16:53 |
| vlada | I've done that already. To my original report, that is. Doesn't make much sense to add a comment to totally unrelated bug (the one to which mine was wrongly characterized as dup). | 16:56 |
| kklimonda | have you updated indicator-application to 0.2.6? | 16:59 |
| vlada | yes | 17:00 |
| kklimonda | yup, I can confirm it | 17:03 |
| vlada | kklimonda, bug? keyboard indicator disappears for you too? | 17:05 |
| kklimonda | yes | 17:05 |
| jfi | I have also an issue with indication-application: #625371 in case somebody can confirm it | 17:06 |
| vlada | kklimonda, great! subscribe to Bug 621838 | 17:07 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 621838 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) "Keyboard layout part of indicator applet disappears (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621838 | 17:07 |
| vlada | bbl | 17:08 |
| kklimonda | it's actually removing every icon next to it unless it's sound (which is handled by a different service) | 17:09 |
| RfAFdlS | hi! who use unity in notebook? | 18:55 |
| RfAFdlS | somebody use unity? :) | 18:57 |
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| lamalex | Is there a way to debug indicators? I've got indicator-datetime installed but it's not loading for some reason. After a maverick upgrade | 23:00 |
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