| wolfravenous | I am a teacher trying to setup an edubuntu LTSP system, I have setup K12LTSP in the past, about 5 years ago, but wanted to try edubuntu for the new school I am at, but I am not having any luck can anyone help me? | 02:15 |
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| wolfravenous | I have setup and installed the software but my test thin client doesn't connect and I don't know how to check from the server to see if it is actually working as an LTSP server and broadcasting | 02:17 |
| wolfravenous | downloaded a GUI tool from the software center, ltsp-manager, but when I launch it from a command line it pops up a window that says "select LTSP network" but the window is completely blank? | 02:19 |
| wolfravenous | is there anyone in here or is all 23 idents just robots??? | 02:22 |
| HedgeMage | wolfravenous: Calm down...many of us idle here when we aren't at our computers. The rest of us won't answer unless we know the answer, that's IRC manners. | 02:23 |
| joe__ | He all... | 02:23 |
| HedgeMage | wolfravenous: I'm sure if you hang out a while, someone with LTSP experience will wake up. It's not my area of expertise. | 02:23 |
| HedgeMage | hi, joe__ | 02:23 |
| joe__ | Funny :) I'm here for LTSP help :) | 02:23 |
| HedgeMage | lol, then I'm afraid I won't be of much use to you. | 02:24 |
| wolfravenous | Ok thanks, I was begining to worry the community page told me to setup IRC and come here for help | 02:24 |
| wolfravenous | was afraid there was noone here | 02:25 |
| joe__ | I'll try anyway :) I'm at the very begining... Ever get the LTSP to work on the live cd? | 02:25 |
| joe__ | I don't seem to get it to offer a DHCP response | 02:25 |
| joe__ | I'll try #LTSP... Thanks! | 02:26 |
| HedgeMage | wolfravenous: np :) | 02:27 |
| HedgeMage | wolfravenous: The manners on IRC can be a little odd to newbies :) | 02:27 |
| wolfravenous | I probably made a major mistake, I have an old SCSI server, without DVD rom, so I put an IDE card in a PCI slot then cabled the IDE card over to the DVD rom in my tower and installed the software on the SCSI server that way. | 02:28 |
| wolfravenous | I had two 10/100 NICs installed in the server when I setup the LTSP immediately after the Edubuntu install. | 02:30 |
| wolfravenous | I setup the LTSP on Eth0, and tried to test LTSP with my tower, but the CD I burned from ROM-o-Matic wouldn't recognize the Onboard NIC in my tower, SO, | 02:31 |
| wolfravenous | I went out an bought a Giga NIC to put in the server, and put the other 10/100 in my tower. | 02:32 |
| wolfravenous | Now the ROM-o-matic CD recognizes my towers (thin client) NIC and tries to boot as a thin client but the server didn't seem to be broadcasting DHCP. | 02:33 |
| wolfravenous | I went back into the servers network settings and it had named the new Giga NIC eth2 | 02:33 |
| wolfravenous | I changed the name to eth0 but it still doesn't seem to work. | 02:34 |
| wolfravenous | I even tried downloading the LTSP-Live package from the software center and running that again to establish a "live" LTSP but still no dice! | 02:35 |
| HedgeMage | :/ | 02:35 |
| wolfravenous | Problem is I am completely new to edubuntu so I don't even know where to start, in K12LTSP five years ago I might have had a clue but I haven't delt with this stuff in five years, heehe | 02:37 |
| wolfravenous | HedgeMage: Wow, community has changed in 5 years, just went to LTSP channel and asked simple ? of how to check to see if Eth0 is broadcasting DHCP and noone replied out of over 60 idents. | 02:50 |
| HedgeMage | wolfravenous: it's a Thursday night (at least here in the US) and it's conference season in the tech world (for example Drupalcon is going on right now, not sure what else) | 02:51 |
| HedgeMage | edubuntu tends to be oddly active in the afternoons (US time) which is abnormal for open source channels in general | 02:51 |
| wolfravenous | HedgeMage: then went to k12ltsp channel and I was alone in there? What happened to the K12ltsp community or do you know??? I am in the US, GA to be exact. Used to run K12 and evangalize Linux up in NC. | 02:52 |
| HedgeMage | Ahh, I got married in Augusta, GA many moons ago :) | 02:52 |
| HedgeMage | k12ltsp seems to have dried up a long time ago, though not as long ago as debian-edu | 02:53 |
| * squidly waves | 03:24 | |
| AlanBell | morning all | 10:11 |
| AlanBell | if any UK based folk want to express why IT teaching in school sucks please go here http://royalsociety.org/Education-Policy/Projects/ and tell the royal society, they are doing a call for evidence on the subject. It would be good to have a bunch of responses emphasising the importance of programming and Open Source software above teaching proprietary word processing applications as IT | 10:12 |
| Ferdinand | Hi | 11:28 |
| Ferdinand | any person here? | 11:29 |
| alkisg | !ask | 11:29 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 11:29 |
| Ferdinand | in the Edubuntu version 10.04 has been chosen, as a wallpaper, a picture of Mads Rosendahl. It is actually a modified image from one of my photographs. A I do not care to be used as wallpaper for Edubuntu, in fact I presented as background for Ubuntu. The problem is that I'd like authorship was recognized in Edubuntu documentation and the wiki. | 11:31 |
| Ferdinand | my original photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferranreyes/3940702899 | 11:32 |
| alkisg | Thank you for the background Ferdinand. highvoltage ^^^ ? | 11:32 |
| Ferdinand | what? | 11:32 |
| alkisg | I'm just pinging a person that might know more about the wallpaper | 11:33 |
| alkisg | Just stick around for a while until he sees your message, if you have time... | 11:33 |
| Ferdinand | ah, thx :) | 11:33 |
| Ferdinand | i'm spanish and my english is poor, sorry :$ | 11:34 |
| alkisg | No problem. If you're in a hurry, you can also leave an email, I'm sure he'll contact you later on. | 11:34 |
| Ferdinand | In the past i try to contact with mail to canonical and edubuntu but i never had a response | 11:35 |
| Ferdinand | i can expect | 11:35 |
| Ferdinand | hi? | 12:11 |
| Ferdinand | alksig new news? | 13:12 |
| alkisg | Fedriandn: from me? No, I don't know anything about the wallpapers. | 13:13 |
| alkisg | You can also leave an email for highvoltage to contact you | 13:14 |
| Ferdinand | how can i leave an email for he? | 13:21 |
| Ferdinand | alking you can give me his mail? | 13:31 |
| alkisg | Ferdinand: you can send a mail to the edubuntu mailing list | 13:35 |
| alkisg | It's on the ste | 13:35 |
| Ferdinand | but for this i need subscribe me at the mailing list no? | 13:36 |
| alkisg | No | 13:36 |
| alkisg | But your mail will be needing moderation | 13:36 |
| alkisg | (i.e. it will stay for a few days if you are not subscribed) | 13:37 |
| Ferdinand | ok, thx! | 13:38 |
| Ferdinand | alkisg what's the best mailist? Edubuntu-users? | 13:39 |
| alkisg | Either that, or edubuntu-devel | 13:40 |
| Ferdinand | ok thx | 13:43 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: can you tell me again where the edubuntu seed files are? | 14:41 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.maverick | 15:21 |
| mhall119 | thanks | 15:23 |
| priyanksingh_ | how to wireless boot the clients through ltsp?? | 16:38 |
| dgroos | I'm confused. I went to update my chroot and got a bucket of errors. So I went to check the sources.lists that is in my chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt) and there were just 3 lines there! I assumed that I had already populated that but I guess not... | 17:15 |
| dgroos | So, how do I do that since my server is arch of 64 and my clients are 32? | 17:15 |
| dgroos | Or am I totally off base!? | 17:15 |
| alkisg | dgroos: what are those 3 lines? e.g. in "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid main restricted universe multiverse" ==> even multiverse is there | 17:19 |
| dgroos | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid main restricted universe multiverse | 17:19 |
| dgroos | deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security main restricted universe multiverse | 17:19 |
| dgroos | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-updates main restricted universe multiverse | 17:19 |
| dgroos | nothing more. | 17:19 |
| alkisg | Yup, that's fine, are you looking for something more? | 17:19 |
| dgroos | Don't I need stgraber's and your ppa's? | 17:20 |
| dgroos | and besides, I get a boat load of errors of not finding repositories (Including the ones I just mentioned) | 17:20 |
| alkisg | Is your resolv.conf correct? | 17:21 |
| alkisg | (sorry, visitors, bb in a while...) | 17:21 |
| dgroos | I just 'fixed' it... so not sure... I'll un-fix and see what happens... | 17:22 |
| dgroos | for sure. | 17:22 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/AppGuide | 17:27 |
| mhall119 | starting my UGJ early | 17:27 |
| Ricmat | Hello again.....I got some good suggestions yesterday, but can't figure something out. Once you have set up a computer with apt-proxy, how do you get the other computers on the subnet to go to that computer to download software from there - instead of going to the internet? | 17:28 |
| Ricmat | 17:37 | |
| alkisg | dgroos: to add mine or stgrabers ppa, use add-apt-repository in the chroot | 17:39 |
| mhall119 | sorry Ricmat, I'm not familiar with that | 17:39 |
| alkisg | (those go in /etc/apt/sources.list.d - you should already have mine if you have sch-client) | 17:39 |
| Ricmat | In "Software Sources", "Other Software" , "Add", there's an option to enter the complete APT line of the new source repository. My "server" has a fixed IP, but where is the Edubuntu stuff that I downloaded to the server machine.? Or am I in the wrong area here totally? | 17:42 |
| alkisg | Ricmat: is that on a client, trying to make it use apt-proxy on the server? (I didn't see what you said above...) | 17:43 |
| Ricmat | Yes - I've installed apt-proxy on the server, and downloaded the edubuntu software to that server. The server has a fixed IP. I'm trying to set up clients to install from that server instead of going to the internet. | 17:44 |
| alkisg | Did you follow the steps in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy ? | 17:45 |
| Ricmat | I haven't gone through the document although I do have it. I was hoping (beyond hope?) that there would be some easy setup from e.g. "software sources" or something. I'll try to go through the document on a client and see what happens. When it says "deb" is that something to do with "Debian" or is it a command? | 17:47 |
| alkisg | For apt-proxy, you need to go through that document | 17:48 |
| alkisg | The server cache cannot be used without a program | 17:48 |
| alkisg | You can *copy* the cache though, manually, if that seems easier to you (it isn't) | 17:48 |
| alkisg | /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 17:49 |
| Ricmat | OK - wish me luck! | 17:49 |
| alkisg | ==> that's where the .deb files are. If you manually copy all those files, then the clients won't download much data | 17:49 |
| alkisg | ...of course you'd need to do that for every major update afterwards too... that's why I'm saying apt-proxy is better, because you'll do it just once and never bother with it anymore. | 17:50 |
| Ricmat | OK - at this point, I think I'll just download everything from the net. I need to have this stuff up and running X20 by Monday morning..... | 17:53 |
| Ricmat | Thanks for trying, but I guess I'm more of a windows guy. :-( | 17:54 |
| Ricmat | When I get more time, I'll come back and see if I can make this all work. Bye for now. | 17:54 |
| mhall119 | Nice Qimo review on Linux Today: http://maketecheasier.com/review-of-qimo-linux-for-kids/2010/08/26 | 18:07 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: whoah, nice!!! | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | (@ the app list stuff) | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | and nice review on qimo too | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | thanks | 18:10 |
| highvoltage | we should link to that wiki page from the screenshots page | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | the list and pages were generated from the seed files + apt-cache with a bit of Perl magic | 18:11 |
| highvoltage | really nice | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/AppGuide/AppDocScript | 18:20 |
| mhall119 | for future reference | 18:20 |
| dinda | mhall119: can you send me your email addy? have some good news :) | 18:34 |
| highvoltage | dinda: that list kind of helps that issue you mentioned where people keep asking what's included :) | 19:20 |
| dinda | highvoltage: yes, that's exactly what we've been looking for :) | 19:24 |
| dgroos | hi alkisg. I've done lots of further attempts and reading and it looks like that I first need to resolve the issue of my /etc/network/interfaces defines the WAN-facing nic as using dhcp not static. | 19:27 |
| dgroos | I can't get firefox to work on clients with a static setting. Do I need to do the resolv.conf fix for firefox? | 19:28 |
| dgroos | ...on lucid? | 19:28 |
| dgroos | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsResolvConf | 19:29 |
| alkisg | OK, let's get this from the start. You don't need a static ip on the wan side, but do you want one? | 19:29 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: my list doesn't have things like sabayon or ltsp | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | just the contents of ubuntu-edu-* | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | so it's not everything in Edubuntu | 19:31 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: ah yes, I'll mention that on the page | 19:31 |
| dgroos | Yes--the server already changed the ip once and that was a hassle since I didn't know what it had changed to... | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: is there a seed file for those kinds of things? | 19:32 |
| mhall119 | ah, desktop-gnome, I see it | 19:33 |
| alkisg | dgroos: so you want a static wan ip? there are two ways for that, either with network manager and no /etc/network/interfaces, or vice-versa | 19:41 |
| alkisg | (I usually go for the network manager because it enables the teachers to see the connection info) | 19:41 |
| dgroos | As per instructions from several web pages I got rid of network manager | 19:41 |
| alkisg | OK, then post your interfaces to pastebin | 19:41 |
| dgroos | it seemed to be causing issues when I was trying to do something... | 19:41 |
| dgroos | right | 19:41 |
| alkisg | Nah, network manager is fine. Both ways are fine - just a matter of preference... | 19:42 |
| dgroos | here it is: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/MTCqTr1w | 19:43 |
| dgroos | I know that the defined address for eth1 is superfluous. | 19:43 |
| alkisg | You have 3 nics? | 19:44 |
| alkisg | How are they wired to your network? | 19:44 |
| alkisg | (you can also change their names if it suits you) | 19:44 |
| dgroos | Yes, and hoping to do bonding with the 2 gig cards, but for now eth2 isn't plugged in. | 19:45 |
| alkisg | Are those cards pci-e or just pci? | 19:45 |
| dgroos | how do I check? | 19:45 |
| dgroos | Add-on NIC is probably the simple variety, the other 2 were built into this prof. grade server. | 19:46 |
| alkisg | physically, pci-e cards are very small on their bottoms. But maybe you can also find out with `lspci | grep Ethernet`... | 19:46 |
| alkisg | I'm guessing pci-e then, ok | 19:47 |
| dgroos | The gig cards show something like: 03:01.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) | 19:47 |
| dgroos | The wan facing nic (fast ethernet) is: 06:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9/0/1 Ethernet Pro 100 (rev 08) | 19:48 |
| alkisg | dgroos: also, paste the result of route -n | 19:49 |
| alkisg | (you'll need a gateway defined for eth1) | 19:49 |
| dgroos | http://ltsp.pastebin.com/UzjN1kH1 | 19:49 |
| dgroos | That looks weird-- having multiple lines for eth0 and eth1? | 19:52 |
| alkisg | Make a backup of your interfaces, run `sudo stop networking`, put this: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/imW9fE8v and then run `sudo start networking` | 19:52 |
| alkisg | (you'll lose your net connection for a while of course) | 19:53 |
| dgroos | ah... better go to my laptop :) | 19:53 |
| alkisg | Also, paste your /etc/resolv.conf | 19:54 |
| alkisg | (it should be kept with no modifications, but better be cautious...) | 19:54 |
| dgroos | I type: sudo stop networking | 19:55 |
| dgroos | it replies: stop: Unknown instance: | 19:55 |
| alkisg | No problem, go on with the rest... | 19:56 |
| dgroos | (question--I've got proc mounted or something, in another terminal window--is that an issue?) | 19:57 |
| alkisg | No, but there's a small posibility that you might need a server reboot if stop/start networking won't make it | 19:58 |
| alkisg | (for the changes to take effect) | 19:58 |
| dgroos | upon typing sudo start network I get, "networking stop/waiting" | 20:01 |
| dgroos | ...though internet works on localapps thin client. | 20:03 |
| alkisg | What does `ifconfig -a` tell you now? | 20:04 |
| dgroos | http://ltsp.pastebin.com/PyTWXaCC | 20:05 |
| alkisg | dgroos: hmm is it easy to reboot the server, so that we don't try more start/stop stuff? | 20:09 |
| alkisg | (lucid changed networking from init.d to upstart...) | 20:09 |
| dgroos | for sure, I set up ilo :D | 20:09 |
| dgroos | famous last words... :( I'll call someone to open the room... | 20:12 |
| alkisg | Ah, you don't have physical access? Ouch, you should say that before, to do better checking... :) | 20:14 |
| dgroos | well, I had ilo working fine before... :) | 20:15 |
| alkisg | What is "ilo"? | 20:16 |
| dgroos | "integrated Lights Out" or something. In other words, it is a special NIC on the server that is used to do remote management, like power on or restart the server when it becomes non-responsive. I've not had it become unresponsive like this..s | 20:18 |
| dgroos | alkisg: ok, got physical access, fixed ilo, did reboot. | 20:28 |
| alkisg | dgroos: is the network working? | 20:30 |
| dgroos | Yes, client rebooted and firefox on client as well. | 20:30 |
| alkisg | OK, what's next? | 20:32 |
| dgroos1 | static ip? here's my network file: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/nHPx7mpa | 20:33 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: it is static now, isn't it? | 20:34 |
| alkisg | (with the new interfaces file I gave you, eth1 got 10.51.0.199 == static... | 20:35 |
| dgroos1 | I thought so but there are too many unk variables for me at the moment... | 20:35 |
| dgroos1 | OK, let me check if I can update my chroot... | 20:36 |
| dgroos1 | oh yeah, do I need to mess with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsResolvConf | 20:36 |
| alkisg | No, that's for 9.04 | 20:37 |
| dgroos1 | ... sigh... | 20:37 |
| alkisg | (and it isn't even needed for updating the chroot) | 20:37 |
| dgroos1 | when trying to update the chroot I get a bunch of these: | 20:39 |
| dgroos1 | Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid Release.gpg | 20:39 |
| dgroos1 | Temporary failure resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com' | 20:39 |
| dgroos1 | I googled and goggled but to no avail... | 20:39 |
| alkisg | Try this: | 20:40 |
| alkisg | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 | 20:40 |
| alkisg | ping www.google.com | 20:40 |
| alkisg | What do you get? | 20:41 |
| dgroos1 | do I unmount first? | 20:41 |
| alkisg | No need | 20:41 |
| dgroos1 | nothing... | 20:41 |
| alkisg | What's the result of this? | 20:42 |
| dgroos1 | it waits till I hit control-C and still no output except ^c | 20:42 |
| alkisg | (on the server): | 20:42 |
| alkisg | (outside the chroot) | 20:43 |
| alkisg | cat /etc/resolv.conf | 20:43 |
| alkisg | cat /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/resolv.conf | 20:43 |
| dgroos1 | There's the problem!: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/4Ra4DH5G | 20:46 |
| dgroos1 | it was in the resolve.conf in the chroot! | 20:46 |
| dgroos1 | I guess they should be the same? | 20:46 |
| alkisg | Yup | 20:47 |
| alkisg | sudo cp... | 20:47 |
| dgroos1 | right, then rebuild client then things should be hunky dory, perhaps! | 20:47 |
| alkisg | You don't need to rebuild the client to update the image | 20:49 |
| alkisg | First update, then rebuild | 20:49 |
| alkisg | Also, that resolv.conf doesn't matter for the thin clients, it only matters for the updating | 20:49 |
| dgroos1 | I actually meant update image. Is rebuilding doing the apt-get update and so on? | 20:49 |
| dgroos1 | OK | 20:49 |
| alkisg | Well, with rebuild we usually mean ltsp-build-client | 20:50 |
| alkisg | update == apt-get update etc and ltsp-update-image | 20:50 |
| dgroos1 | I see, don't have to do that, I think. | 20:51 |
| dgroos1 | should I reload the new image (logout/login)? | 20:51 |
| alkisg | If you want. Logout won't do it though, a reboot will be needed | 20:51 |
| alkisg | But if you were having problem with firefox on the thin clients, it shouldn't matter | 20:52 |
| alkisg | (because resolv.conf on the thin clients is generated dynamically upon boot) | 20:52 |
| dgroos1 | right--it auto reboots upon logout after image update... | 20:52 |
| dgroos1 | OK I'll try w/out... | 20:52 |
| dgroos1 | Thanks alkisg, I'm now able to advance further in updating the chroot. When I get to the point where it says: | 21:05 |
| dgroos1 | Lastly, let's exit the chroot, unmount /proc, run ltsp-update-kernels (in case there was a kernel upgrade in the chroot) and rebuild our NBD thin-client image | 21:05 |
| dgroos1 | but then the code pasted tells a different order: | 21:05 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: why don't you do all that with sch-scripts? | 21:05 |
| alkisg | It takes care of everything automatically | 21:05 |
| dgroos1 | exit sudo ltsp-update-kernels sudo umount /opt/ltsp/i386/proc sudo ltsp-update-image | 21:06 |
| dgroos1 | Well, I was concerned that it might do something that is needed on the Greek setup but that would do something I didn't want on mine... | 21:07 |
| alkisg | You just invoke the update menu, or the "get a shell inside the chroot" menu etc | 21:07 |
| alkisg | Where are you getting that code above from? | 21:07 |
| dgroos1 | (If you can tell me which is correct order of events I'll edit the wiki page on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot | 21:07 |
| alkisg | The best way is to use the ltsp-chroot script for that | 21:08 |
| dgroos1 | OK, in sch-scripts? | 21:08 |
| alkisg | no, let me rephrase it: | 21:09 |
| alkisg | sch-scripts does everything from a menu, but not all people have it, so never mind that | 21:09 |
| alkisg | ltsp-chroot is a script contained in upstream ltsp | 21:09 |
| alkisg | Currently, you have it there: /usr/share/ltsp/scripts/ltsp-chroot | 21:10 |
| alkisg | But it's an old version (yeah even on lucid) | 21:10 |
| alkisg | On newer versions it'll go on /usr/bin | 21:10 |
| alkisg | So, instead of the wiki page telling people to do what's inside ltsp-chroot, why not download it instead for previous versions? | 21:10 |
| alkisg | (that's what I proposed in the mailing list some days ago) | 21:10 |
| alkisg | Here's the most recent version, in ltsp-upstream: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot | 21:11 |
| alkisg | So I think that the wiki page should tell people to download that file, save it to /usr/bin, and just use that for updating | 21:11 |
| alkisg | (for newer ltsp versions, they'll already have it in /usr/bin, preinstalled...) | 21:12 |
| dgroos1 | I say you proposed that on the e-mail and replied and asked you a question an hour or 2 ago :) | 21:12 |
| alkisg | Sorry, didn't get what you mean with that :-/ | 21:14 |
| dgroos1 | basically, I was asking to where you copy that file! | 21:17 |
| dgroos1 | OK I copied it there but can't read if ownership/permissions are correct since with ls -la of /usr/bin/ there are too many items and it goes way off the page. | 21:18 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: ls -lha /usr/bin/ltsp-chroot | 21:27 |
| alkisg | sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/ltsp-chroot | 21:27 |
| alkisg | sudo ltsp-chroot --mount-proc --copy-resolv-conf --mount-package-cache apt-get update | 21:27 |
| alkisg | sudo ltsp-chroot --mount-proc --copy-resolv-conf --mount-package-cache apt-get dist-upgrade | 21:28 |
| alkisg | Something like that. | 21:28 |
| alkisg | (you don't need --copy-resolv-conf, you already copied it, I'm just saying...) | 21:28 |
| dgroos1 | Got this after :27:58 comment: ERROR: ltsp chroot not found: /opt/ltsp/amd64 | 21:29 |
| dgroos1 | umount: /opt/ltsp/amd64/proc: not found | 21:29 |
| dgroos1 | umount: /opt/ltsp/amd64/var/cache/apt/archives: not found | 21:29 |
| alkisg | Do you have an amd64 chroot or an i386 one? | 21:30 |
| dgroos1 | *command | 21:30 |
| alkisg | --arch i386 | 21:30 |
| dgroos1 | i386 | 21:30 |
| dgroos1 | but the server is 64 itself | 21:30 |
| alkisg | sudo ltsp-chroot --arch i386 apt-get update | 21:31 |
| alkisg | Or you can just run: sudo ltsp-chroot --arch i386 | 21:31 |
| alkisg | That will get you a shell inside the chroot | 21:31 |
| alkisg | See all the options in the source page: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot | 21:32 |
| dgroos1 | OK did this command, then... ? | 21:32 |
| dgroos1 | will check that out... | 21:32 |
| alkisg | OK let me give you a full example: | 21:33 |
| alkisg | sudo ltsp-chroot --mount-proc --arch i386 | 21:33 |
| alkisg | apt-get update | 21:33 |
| alkisg | apt-get dist-upgrade | 21:33 |
| alkisg | exit | 21:33 |
| alkisg | sudo ltsp-update-image | 21:33 |
| alkisg | That updates your chroot. | 21:33 |
| dgroos1 | so I would do... sudo ltsp-chroot --arch i386 and then the others? | 21:34 |
| alkisg | Yes | 21:34 |
| alkisg | If you want to mount /proc too, you just add that parameter | 21:34 |
| alkisg | It gets unmounted automatically | 21:34 |
| alkisg | You can also parameters (like ARCH) in a config file, /etc/ltsp/ltsp-chroot.conf | 21:34 |
| dgroos1 | This is probably easier but to eyes blurry from hours of troubleshooting... | 21:35 |
| dgroos1 | You really saved me, again! | 21:35 |
| alkisg | ...maybe we should write a wiki page specifically for ltsp-chroot... | 21:35 |
| dgroos1 | YES! I can do those! | 21:35 |
| dgroos1 | :D | 21:35 |
| alkisg | :D | 21:35 |
| dgroos1 | How about updating the kernel? I would like to fix this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot | 21:37 |
| alkisg | sudo ltsp-chroot update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-image --force | 21:38 |
| alkisg | (that's on lucid only, for previous versions it should be: sudo ltsp-chroot update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-image && sudo ltsp-update-kernels) | 21:39 |
| alkisg | Erm, sorry | 21:39 |
| alkisg | When you say updating the kernel, when do you mean? | 21:39 |
| alkisg | When a new kernel is available in the repositories? | 21:40 |
| alkisg | apt-get dist-upgrade takes care of that, so forget about the update-initramfs -u | 21:40 |
| alkisg | ltsp-update-image && ltsp-update-kernels are still needed | 21:41 |
| * alkisg thinks he should probably take some time to rewrite that awful wiki page.. :-/ | 21:42 | |
| dgroos1 | Do I add the --arch 32 like this: sudo ltsp-chroot --arch 32 update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-image --force | 21:44 |
| dgroos1 | ? | 21:44 |
| dgroos1 | (I got errors about /opt/ltsp/amd64... | 21:45 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: as a user, would you like that wiki page to tell you about LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS and other internal stuff, or would you prefer that page to use ltsp-chroot in its instructions? | 21:45 |
| alkisg | --arch i386 | 21:45 |
| alkisg | Not 32... | 21:45 |
| dgroos1 | (where do I write that in the command you gave me?) | 21:45 |
| dgroos1 | right :P | 21:46 |
| alkisg | Execute the series of commands that I wrote above, in the "full example" | 21:46 |
| dgroos1 | I did: | 21:46 |
| alkisg | Ah, ok, about the kernel | 21:46 |
| alkisg | A new full example: | 21:46 |
| dgroos1 | sudo ltsp-chroot update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-image --force | 21:46 |
| alkisg | sudo ltsp-chroot --arch i386 | 21:46 |
| alkisg | apt-get update | 21:46 |
| alkisg | apt-get dist-upgrade | 21:47 |
| alkisg | (that gets you a new kernel, if available) | 21:47 |
| dgroos1 | and got: ERROR: ltsp chroot not found: /opt/ltsp/amd64 | 21:47 |
| alkisg | exit | 21:47 |
| dgroos1 | OK | 21:47 |
| alkisg | Wait. You got an error with that? : | 21:47 |
| alkisg | (11:33:28 μμ) alkisg: sudo ltsp-chroot --mount-proc --arch i386 | 21:47 |
| alkisg | ? | 21:47 |
| dgroos1 | to answer your wiki question, I like explanations but the main thing is what I have to do. Does that answer your question? | 21:48 |
| alkisg | Yes, it tells me we should delete half of that page | 21:48 |
| alkisg | That page contains explanations about how stuff is implemented. It doesn't tell people how to do their work easily. | 21:49 |
| dgroos1 | This is what I did/got: mrg@gcos-server:~$ sudo ltsp-chroot update-initramfs -u && sudo ltsp-update-image --force | 21:49 |
| dgroos1 | ERROR: ltsp chroot not found: /opt/ltsp/amd64 | 21:49 |
| alkisg | dgroos1: forget that command | 21:49 |
| alkisg | Try this one: sudo ltsp-chroot --mount-proc --arch i386 | 21:49 |
| alkisg | Do you get an error with that? | 21:50 |
| dgroos1 | no error! | 21:50 |
| alkisg | OK, you're inside the chroot with proc mounted, with LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false etc | 21:50 |
| alkisg | You did half of the wiki page. Let's go on. Do you want to update your kernels? | 21:51 |
| dgroos1 | OK :) I'll believe you! | 21:51 |
| dgroos1 | yes... | 21:51 |
| alkisg | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade | 21:51 |
| dgroos1 | good--it said 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded | 21:52 |
| alkisg | That completely updates your chroot, including the kernel. But it doesn't update the server copy of the kernel (we'll do that below) | 21:52 |
| alkisg | OK. Next: exit | 21:52 |
| dgroos1 | so looks like I'm up to date? | 21:52 |
| dgroos1 | yes, and unmount? | 21:52 |
| alkisg | Yes | 21:52 |
| alkisg | After `exit`, the /proc is unmounted and you're outside of your chroot | 21:52 |
| alkisg | No, you don't bother with mounting/unmounting | 21:52 |
| dgroos1 | right | 21:53 |
| alkisg | Now, to update the server copies | 21:53 |
| alkisg | For Lucid: sudo ltsp-update-image --force | 21:53 |
| alkisg | For less that Lucid: sudo ltsp-update-image && sudo ltsp-update-kernels | 21:53 |
| alkisg | But, you still need --arch in your case | 21:54 |
| alkisg | So, sudo ltsp-update-image --force --arch i386 | 21:54 |
| alkisg | Or, for less than lucid, sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386 && sudo ltsp-update-kernels | 21:54 |
| dgroos1 | oops, I already did sudo ltsp-update-image --force...? | 21:54 |
| alkisg | If it runs, it's ok then, it autodetected your arch | 21:54 |
| alkisg | *chroot | 21:55 |
| dgroos1 | cool. | 21:55 |
| alkisg | That's all | 21:55 |
| dgroos1 | :D :D | 21:55 |
| alkisg | So, 4 lines in total | 21:55 |
| dgroos1 | and 5 hours later... :D | 21:55 |
| alkisg | ltsp-chroot, apt-get update && dist-upgrade, exit, update-image && kernels | 21:56 |
| alkisg | If you think that's simpler than what's already on that wiki page, we should rewrite it... | 21:56 |
| dgroos1 | I really appreciate all the troubleshooting you did with me to fix my chroot/networking issues as well as updating stuff. | 21:56 |
| dgroos1 | Yes it is! I'd volunteer, but my mind is mush right now... | 21:57 |
| dgroos1 | and I couldn't speak from understanding... | 21:57 |
| dgroos1 | My project wouldn't succeed without all of this help. Let me know how I can be of help someday... | 21:59 |
| alkisg | You're welcome. If you're still around 2 years from now, I'll ask for some language proofreading when we internationalize sch-scripts ;) | 22:00 |
| dgroos1 | Con Mucho Gusto! | 22:00 |
| alkisg | Heh, and maybe a spanish translation too :P | 22:01 |
| dgroos1 | I speak it more or less fluently, my reading/writing, well, I'll ask my wife for help on that! | 22:01 |
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