[00:13] <JuJuBee> I can't seem to get nfs-kernel-server to start... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/484232/
[00:18] <well_laid_lawn> that says the nfs daemon is restarted - why do you think it isn't working?
[00:20] <JuJuBee> well_laid_lawn: look at the end of line 4  scroll, says fail
[00:21] <well_laid_lawn> JuJuBee: no fail mentioned in that paste
[00:22] <Torch> well_laid_lawn: there is. it's jus awkward formatting.
[00:22] <illunatic> hah nasty
[00:22] <well_laid_lawn> I can't see a fail mentioned...
[00:23] <illunatic> oops wc sorry
[00:23] <Torch> JuJuBee: check the logs. if all else fails, find out what the init-script (or upstart thingy or whatever ubuntu currently considers hip) does and do it by hand.
[00:23] <JuJuBee> well_laid_lawn: yes there is, need to scroll to the right...
[00:23] <JuJuBee> Torch: dmesg only shows http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/484236/
[00:24] <Torch> JuJuBee: there are more logs than dmesg...
[00:24] <SamWeasley> Heelo, everyone. I'm in Karmic Koala wioth kde 4.4 repos and I can't start akonadi. Here is the diagnosis output ---> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/9eXCruyu. Any help
[00:24] <SamWeasley> ?
[00:25] <JuJuBee> Torch: which should I check for nfs error?
[00:26] <Torch> SamWeasley: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[00:26] <Torch> JuJuBee: not sure. grep for nfs in /var/log/*.log
[00:36] <SamWeasley> I resolved Nepomuk problem...
[00:37] <SamWeasley> But tests 9 and 10 (about Akonadi and D-Bus still the same)
[00:47] <craigwdy2k> Something isn't right here: I installed all of the required Linux dev-tools & now make keeps throwing errors about not wanting to build default targets like oldconfig for instance.  I also tried to install Strigi in an attempt to manually locate the .config files but apt-get acts like its not in any of the Kubuntu Repos even though I turned on all of the unofficial ones except the Testing Updates & other dangerous ones.  Not good...
[00:48] <craigwdy2k> it's*
[00:50] <Torch> craigwdy2k: re the make problems, pastebin output
[00:52] <craigwdy2k> make: *** No rule to make target 'oldconfig'.  Stop.
[00:53] <craigwdy2k> It also threw an almost identical error when I tried to use make distclean to do some cruft cleaning (just in case...).
[00:54] <Torch> craigwdy2k: what are you trying to build?
[00:54] <craigwdy2k> I'
[00:55] <Torch> ah, a kernel, i guess
[00:55] <craigwdy2k> m trying to rebuild the kernel.  ACPI issues.
[00:56] <Torch> craigwdy2k: and you're running "make oldconfig" in the kernel build dir?
[00:56] <FFForever> Is there an easy way to remove gnome crud from my menu?
[00:57] <craigwdy2k> I had to use the stuff in /boot because all of the kernel.org tarballs only have an x86 directory...  It's as if the x86_64 directory is missing... Also: every 64-bit x86 distro I've tried has the same weird symptom of copying Konsole errors to the system clipboard.  Not once has it ever worked right.
[00:57] <Torch> FFForever: why not uninstall applications you don't want to use?
[00:58] <Torch> craigwdy2k: IIRC the x86 and amd64 kernel subtrees were merged some time ago.
[00:58] <FFForever> Torch, cause in gnome I use them
[00:59] <Torch> FFForever: complain to gnome, then. they have no "only show this app in gnome" setting, like KDE does.
[01:00] <craigwdy2k> That does complicate things considerably...  How will I know which config files to edit?  Or does each file handle both settings?  That's what really confuses me more than anything else...
[01:00] <Torch> craigwdy2k: you don't _edit_ those kernel configs, you run make xconfig (iirc, it's been a while)
[01:01] <Torch> craigwdy2k: or is that what you're talking about?
[01:04] <craigwdy2k> Yeah: the real gotcha is drag & drop cding keeps causing either Dolphin or Krusader to crash to the point where there unusable...
[01:04] <craigwdy2k> they're*
[01:06] <craigwdy2k> Even when that works though more often than not I keep getting errors related to missing headers & the like...  I'm starting to think incomplete documentation is pandemic no matter which distro you choose to run...
[01:08] <Torch> craigwdy2k: all this sounds bad and chaotic. also, i don't have the impression building a kernel will make things easier for you.
[01:10] <craigwdy2k> This PC laptop is based on a HP Quanta 3061 laptop motherboard: maybe that's why this thing keeps having issues.  I've already had them replace the motherboard & hard drive once & still nothing works.  Same story even under Windows 7 x64 Home Premium.  Vista x64 is even worse still.  I was hoping to find distro that would cure all of these hardware related nightmares like AHCI not working right...
[01:11] <Torch> craigwdy2k: if the hardware's broken nothing in software can fix it.
[01:11] <Desiane> Olá
[01:11] <Desiane> Alguém da Paraíba?
[01:13] <craigwdy2k> No: the sole issue is that 7 refuses to load my AHCI driver: I'm positive it's a bug in 7.  Even upgrading to 7 x64 Beta SP 1 after installing everything but the problematic AHCI driver couldn't get it working.  I can't even downgrade to XP.  The buggy setup combined with the newest M780G driver wasn't even enough to cure that: it keeps crashing when it starts copying files to the hard drive...
[01:17] <craigwdy2k> The worst part is that I can't even Restore Vista: a error 1005 keeps popping up which according to HP's community forum indicates they installed yet another bad hard drive...  I just need some serious HD diagnostic software to prove it though.  I would love to upgrade to a roomier laptop SATA hard drive but I don't want to waste money on it if the replacement they installed is any good...
[01:20] <MashTomato> hi, does anyone have the file "/usr/lib/kde4/ktexteditor_python-encoding.so"? because i'm always getting a warning when trying to save a python file with kate or kwrite, and I guess it's because that file is missing...
[01:20] <craigwdy2k> This BIOS is so buggy it doesn't even have a Legacy USB option...  I tried using my UniCore membership to request a BIOS upgrade only to be denied saying they found a BIOS for a similar yet still incompatible PC laptop...  I am literally at my wit's end trying unsuccessfully to diagnose this thing...
[01:20] <MashTomato> also, neither kdelibs5, kdelibs5-dbg or kdelibs5-data provide said file.. help is very appreciated ):
[01:22] <craigwdy2k> Twice now I've been denied for a BIOS upgrade: first it killed an old Compaq Presario 2100 AMD & I'm not going to let this one die on me too...
[01:24] <craigwdy2k> I've tried googling de-splipstreaming since I'm using a OEM Windows XP Pro. SP 2 that I manually integrated SP 3 into.  I would buy a retail copy of XP Pro. SP 3 except that even online it still costs $300.
[01:25] <douglas_carmicha> I have my desktop settings set to 9-point type, but the text in windows and in menus is much larger than 9 points. What could cause this problem?
[01:27] <douglas_carmicha> (Also, the text in the terminal is much larger than 9 points.)
[01:27] <douglas_carmicha> This started when I changed my resolution to 1600x1200.
[01:27] <craigwdy2k> SMART Status keeps coming up healthy as do the built-in BIOS based tests & WD's Windows based diagnostics software.  I just refuse to throw away money on a larger HD though until I have proof this one really is bad...
[01:28] <Torch> MashTomato: i don't have that file.
[01:29] <craigwdy2k> Wi-Fi issues plague this laptop too due the Atheros AR-5009 802.11n chipset...
[01:29] <craigwdy2k> due to the*
[01:31] <craigwdy2k> I wish I could find some mobo diagnostic software for this laptop too: once again Insyde failed to provide HP/me with anything to test it with...
[01:33] <Torch> craigwdy2k: i'm sorry, but are you aware that you're getting rather off topic for #kubuntu?
[01:35] <craigwdy2k> Yeah I just realized though: Do I need to adjust my U-EFI bootup parameters to make Linux happy?  If so how exactly do I do that?  That particular feature/part of the BIOS is highly undocumented...
[01:35] <craigwdy2k> Probably Classified to thanks to Intel & MS...
[01:40] <craigwdy2k> Or more realistically all of my Linux installs on this laptop keep hemoraging due to missing headers...  How do I systematically hunt down & install the missing ones?
[01:41] <Torch> craigwdy2k: no part of linux needs any header files to operate correctly. headers are required to compile software.
[01:42] <Torch> douglas_carmicha: you can try playing around with the force-dpi-setting in systemsettings. it's in application appearance -> fonts
[01:42] <Torch> douglas_carmicha: at least if you run kde 4.5
[01:43] <craigwdy2k> Exactly: all of my installs even after following distro-specific procedures leave me with make *** errors.  It's really irritating & I'd like to figure out where or how to install the missing stuff...
[01:44] <Torch> craigwdy2k: stop trying to build software.
[01:44] <craigwdy2k> I installed Linux so I could try Xen too: even in Fedora Core 13 after following their instructions Xen 4.0 bombed at a make error.
[01:47] <craigwdy2k> This PC laptop shipped with a free 3 GB RAM upgrade: I'm only trying to put it to good use: literally...
[01:58] <MashTomato> Torch: right, do you also get a warning when editing and saving a python file?
[02:00] <Torch> MashTomato: actually, yes.
[02:00] <Torch> MashTomato: file a bug report with kubuntu at launchpad. probably a packaging bug.
[02:00] <MashTomato> okay
[02:02] <James147> MashTomato: getting the same error here ^^
[02:02] <MashTomato> yeah, and I guess it could be fixed by actually providing said file... kinda odd, actually
[02:05] <MashTomato> what's the url of the bugtracker (on launchpad,, I presume)?
[02:06] <cablop> well, i think you're going to say that KDe is great... but... i want some sincere opinions... i'm willing to move from windows to ubuntu in my netbook, and willing to know which one will be the best alternative if gnome or KDE
[02:07] <MashTomato> cablop: personally, I prefer vanilla ubuntu with a little bit KDE (that is, stuff like amarok).. but you can always grab VBox and see for yourself
[02:08] <cablop> MashTomato: vanilla ubuntu?
[02:08] <James147> cablop: it is mostly a personal taste... one is not better then the other for everyone :) try them both out and use which ever you think best suits you
[02:09] <MashTomato> vanilla = unmodified, conventional
[02:09] <MashTomato> that is, the standard ubuntu distribution
[02:09] <James147> cablop: you can install ubuntu and kubuntu on the same partition by either installing ubuntu from a live cd then installing "kubuntu-dekstop" with in that ot installing "ubuntu-dekstop" from a kubuntu install
[02:10] <cablop> mmm, it seems good enough... but i just want to know if kde is good for a small thing like a netbook... i don't want to install a whole kde on it...
[02:11] <James147> cablop: kubuntu has a netbook version... as does ubuntu
[02:11] <cablop> mmm, this is interesting then :)
[02:12] <James147> i personally really like the kde netbook version :) (well, not on a desktop... but smaller screens its great)
[02:12] <maco> me too :)
[02:12] <maco> im using kubuntu netbook right now
[02:13] <MashTomato> but still, what's the url of the bugtracker for kubuntu?
[02:15] <James147> MashTomato: i would guess at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu :)  both ubuntu and kubuntu use the same packages...
[02:15] <MashTomato> fair enough
[02:21] <craigwdy2k> Why are all of the ISOs labeled Desktop on the main Kubuntu Download site?  Is there by chance a AMD64 notebook specific ISO available?  Maybe that might cure the ACPI issue I'm having since the mobile steppings of AMD hardware differ significantly in the case of this particular laptop PC.
[02:23] <craigwdy2k> If not which distro should I try next?
[02:23] <James147> craigwdy2k: there is no 64bit netbook version of kubuntu... well not in live cds... but you can install the desktop version and then install kubuntu-netbook inside that to get the 64bit netbook :)
[02:24] <James147> craigwdy2k: note that in maverick there will nolonger be a "netbook" version... both isos are being merged and the installer will attempt to detect if you have a netbook or not then install the appropate version (you can always switch which one your using)
[02:27] <craigwdy2k> Or better yet: would it be possible to reconfigure the AMD64 Kubuntu 10.04 DVD for mobile steppings?  I first discover this unsettling issue when I figured out that I was integrating the wrong version of the WinXP AHCI driver.  Very weird considering the issue doesn't plague the AMD 690 Series chipsets in general...
[02:27] <craigwdy2k> discovered*
[02:28] <James147> craigwdy2k: ^^ as i said you can install "kubuntu-netbook" on a normal kubuntu 64bit install to get the netbook (+normal) version  (this is essentially what they are going to do in maverick)
[02:29] <craigwdy2k> Wouldn't it just be easier to do a Kernel Swap?
[02:29] <James147> craigwdy2k: ... no as all the packages are compiled for 64 or 32 bit....
[02:30] <James147> (well, except a few that are wirtten in scripted languages like python or bash...)
[02:31] <craigwdy2k> I really don't get it: there's not a single netbook based on my particular chipset...  Not only that but I'd really like to find a Lucid compatible Xen 4.0.1 capable kernel...
[02:32] <douglas_carmicha> Also..
[02:32] <douglas_carmicha> when I install a new desktop theme, I don't see it in the themes list.
[02:32] <douglas_carmicha> Is there anything else I have to do to get a new theme to show?
[02:32] <James147> douglas_carmicha: how are you installing it?
[02:32] <douglas_carmicha> Using the 'Get New Themes' button.
[02:33] <James147> craigwdy2k: not sure what you mean by that
[02:33] <douglas_carmicha> (in Desktop Theme/System Settings)
[02:33] <James147> douglas_carmicha: what version of kde?
[02:33] <douglas_carmicha> 4.5.0
[02:35] <James147> douglas_carmicha: its working here :S is this will all themes or one inperticular?
[02:35] <craigwdy2k> All current netbooks are based on Via Nano or Intel Atom or AMD's Athlon II mobile series.  This PC laptop needs a specially designed kernel that is specific to its AMD M780G/AMD SB-750 combination.  That's why a netbook kernel would probably just make things even worse...
[02:36] <James147> craigwdy2k: the netbook and desktop use the same kernal
[02:36] <James147> (as far as I know)
[02:38] <douglas_carmicha> Anadyr
[02:38] <craigwdy2k> Then that won't work either: unless I can find someone with the know-how to update the kernel innards/modules this PC will continue to have issues with AMD64 Linux.  Also I've been reading things on the net/Web indicating the AMD64 2.6.3X Kernels in general are quite broken ATM.
[02:39] <James147> craigwdy2k: ^^ its been working fine here on .32
[02:41] <James147> douglas_carmicha: yea, that one is not working here either... my guess is because the get new stuff still hasnt matured fully and not all themes can be downloaded through it... most other themes work fine here but for ones that dont consider going directly to www.kde-look.org and install them manually
[02:42] <craigwdy2k> Actually the whole garbled video output makes me think its because 1. This particular ATI GPU is currently marked as Experimental the last time I checked the Xorg 7.5 Release Notes & 2. Even 7 x64 dislikes this machines AHCI...  If I knew why I wouldn't be in this mess in the first place...
[02:43] <craigwdy2k> Worst still: when using SMXI with Sidux I had to use the Radeon driver instead of the GPU specific Radeon HD driver which makes no sense at all whatsoever...
[02:44] <craigwdy2k> It's as if the chipset and/or GPU or choking on garbled code...  If that makes sense to anyone...
[02:45] <craigwdy2k> are choking*
[02:47] <craigwdy2k> I found a lengthy issue that attempts to get Open Source Xorg 3D drivers to work but I doubt it would work on this particular HP laptop given all of its other weirdness in general...
[02:47] <craigwdy2k> lengthy How-To*
[02:48] <craigwdy2k> The How-To was intended for Kubuntu 9.04 though so it's quite dated by now...
[02:52] <craigwdy2k> It might also be another AHCI issue: which could be either hellishly hard or near impossible to fix correctly without crashing the machine in the process...  Due to the 7 x64  AHCI issue it wouldn't surprise me if somebody at kernel.org reverse engineered the Desktop stepping of my North/South Bridges thereby leading to severe mobile ACPI & maybe AHCI hemoraging too...
[02:56] <craigwdy2k> Kind of like when all of the Intel Pentium Pro 200 through PII 333 machines utilizing SMP fell victim to the malformed instruction which leads to a undefined instruction RISC/x86 Emulation layer crash inside the Cores of the affected Intel P6s: i.e. defective by design just like all DVD-ROMs & DVD burners: it even says so right on the Home Page of The Dangerous Brothers too...
[03:01] <craigwdy2k> If somebody would like to recommend a newer bug-fixed stable Debian AMD64 Kernel this ACPI issue may finally disappear.  I just need to know which flavor or variant to try exactly.  If editing /etc/sources.list is necessary too I'm used to it as I've had to use backported drivers in the past too.
[03:04] <craigwdy2k> I know it's not recommended but if SMXI enhanced kernel would help I'd be willing to try a well tested kernel as long as somebody else with a Mobile AMD 780G/SB750 has tried it before me.  I've tried Liquorix under Sidux but this PC is weird in that in quite frankly choked on it...
[03:07] <craigwdy2k> Or more realistically how hard would it be to remaster the Kubuntu Netbook 10.04 release into a AMD64 Kubuntu 10.04 Laptop specific LiveCD?
[03:08] <James147> !customlivecd
[03:09] <James147> craigwdy2k: however if you want 64bit I would start with the 64bit desktop version of kubuntu
[03:12] <craigwdy2k> Do the drivers even exist yet though?  This is the mobile stepping not the more advanced one the comes with the custom Desktop SATA AHCI RAID PCI Express card (it may be PCI tooL: I've only read about this stuff on the AMD drivers download page)...
[03:17] <craigwdy2k> Hmmm: I just stumbled onto this on AMD's support site: http://support.amd.com/us/psearch/Pages/psearch.aspx?type=2.1&product=2.1.13&contentType=Tech+Download+Processor&ostype=&keywords=&items=20.  Are any of these drivers missing from the current Kubuntu release?  Do I actually need to install any of that stuff?  Particularly the Linux specific AMD Processor driver?
[03:18] <maco> amd and intel CPUs are supported
[03:20] <craigwdy2k> Yeah but what about the Turion X2 series?  I do have one of the newer steppings that may require that AMD driver: I have no way of knowing if the Windows Turion 64 X2 ZM-85 drivers have been reverse engineered & kernelized yet...  Or maybe I need to modprobe a missing Kernel module.  I wonder...
[03:22] <craigwdy2k> Which reminds me: I really need a KDE InfoCenter equivalent to see if anything really is missing...
[03:25] <craigwdy2k> It failed to install by default...  What's the command I'm so desperately needing?  Either something using apt-get or better still Aptitude...
[03:27] <James147> craigwdy2k: will "kinfocenter" do?
[03:27] <craigwdy2k> Ah: let's try that...
[03:31] <craigwdy2k> I think I may have found something!  KInfoCenter doesn't seem to care i.e. let alone know that my Broadcomm BCM2045BX exists...  Not Good...
[03:34] <craigwdy2k> I also have a Acceleromater that never shows up correctly either...  It's some proprietary HP ProtectSmart/DriveGuard 3D Security Module thing...  Do drivers exist yet?  Do I have some modprobing to do?
[03:35] <craigwdy2k> Maybe that's why Resume from Hibernate doesn't work...  Is it fixable?
[03:36] <craigwdy2k> Oh: I almost forgot to mention that I've looked in the BIOS & it would appear to be another non-accessible setting...
[03:39] <StepNjump2> how can I have my xchat transparent?
[03:41] <craigwdy2k> If drivers are an issue is WINE reliable enough to be used for the ProtectSmart Acceleromator driver?
[03:42] <craigwdy2k> I also have a Validity Inc. VSF-201 Fingerprint Reader too...  I'm much more concerned about the Acceleromator driver though...
[03:43] <James147> StepNjump2: Alt+f3 (when focused on the window) > configure window > Window Rules > New > "Detect window properties" and click the window > Preferences tab > Active | Inactive opacity in %        unless xchat has a way to do it its self
[03:46] <craigwdy2k> Kbluetooth also says it can't find any Bluetooth drivers...  Should I be concerned...?  I would at least expect the Broadcomm chipset to show up either there or in the KInfoCenter & I'm not seeing any Bluetooth related Linux activity...
[03:47] <craigwdy2k> Shouldn't that be part of the Kubuntu Restricted Extras...?  Which I already installed too BTW...
[03:47] <craigwdy2k> I would also expect the Acceleromator to be in there too if at all...
[03:50] <StepNjump2> James147 Thanks for your explanations.. unfortunately my kde is all in french...
[03:51] <StepNjump2> Ok found it James... Thanks
[03:55] <craigwdy2k> I finally found a hit thanks to Google: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=659140.  Where do I get the missing getlibs command from...?
[03:55] <vbgunz> does anybody have experience going from sata to an SSD here? does kubuntu take so-called advantage of it and did you feel an improvement?
[03:56] <craigwdy2k> Is it part of coreutils by any chance?  I'm just guessing here as usual...
[03:56] <James147> vbgunz: i thorugh that SSD used sata...
[03:57] <vbgunz> James147: I believe so, but I was really asking about regular hdd, e.g., 7200rpm, etc
[03:57] <James147> vbgunz: and as far as i know kubuntu just sees it as a harddrive (although really fast)
[03:57] <craigwdy2k> I'm drawing a blank here: missing Linux Terminal bins usually means something is quite borked...  ):
[03:57] <vbgunz> im in the market for an ssd, not sure if these things work well in kubuntu, do I have to look out for a linux label, etc, can I really trust them as just hdd, etc
[03:58] <vbgunz> but im mostly curious to see if anybody noticed a difference using kubuntu going from hdd to sdd
[03:58] <James147> vbgunz: i think they just look like a normal hard disk... havnt heard of any incompatabilites wiht linux
[03:59] <James147> vbgunz: and I dont see why there wouldnt be a difference in preformance (well in load/boot time at elast)
[04:00] <James147> vbgunz: then again I havnt had one yet to see :) but I see no reason/haven't seen anything to suggest why you cant take advantage of an ssd in kubuntu
[04:01] <craigwdy2k> I found it here: http://explore-ubuntu.blogspot.com/2010/04/getlibs.html.  Why isn't this in the Wiki...?  Tsk!  Tsk!
[04:01] <vbgunz> James147: im thinking about just buying one now but they're really new to me, I just want to dump my / onto an ssd and get kubuntu itself faster where I can
[04:02] <vbgunz> its all good, I'll go into it without much thought otherwise
[04:02] <James147> vbgunz: as far as I know you treat them as any other hard disk
[04:04] <craigwdy2k> I also need updated Bluetooth firmware & firmware uploader/downloader utility...
[04:05] <craigwdy2k> Preferably one that can back up the current firmware too in the even any problems should arise...
[04:05] <craigwdy2k> event*
[04:11] <craigwdy2k> Bad news: the ProtectSmart driver expects Vista x64...  Is there a workaround for this?  Apparently it doesn't like WINE...  It reminds me of bickering neighbors that don't get along to well...
[04:16] <craigwdy2k> I was able to finally get bluez-utils installed.  Do I need to reinstall 7 to disable the Accelleromator thing?  Or is there a way to disable it in Konsole?
[04:24] <Refraxx> I need a little help,please.
[04:25] <Refraxx> Is anyone online?
[04:25] <craigwdy2k> Do I have to repartition & install 7 to disable it or can a virtualized 7 x64 disable this hard drive Accelleromator too?
[04:26] <James147> !help | Refraxx
[04:27] <Refraxx> How do I get rid of the white & grey checkerboard on my homescreen?
[04:27] <James147> Refraxx: homescreen? you mean the desktop?
[04:28] <Refraxx> Yes, the desktop.
[04:28] <craigwdy2k> I think most of them are probably asleep...  I really wish people wouldn't stay logged in while asleep...  That sounds like a video card related issue...  What brand & model of video card do you have Refraxx?
[04:28] <Refraxx> I'm not sure off hand.
[04:29] <James147> Refraxx: you should be able to right click the desktop > desktop setting (or similar) > Wallpaper and change it there
[04:29] <James147> craigwdy2k: first check if its not jsut a missing wallpaper :)
[04:29] <Refraxx> Ok, I'll try that. I'll let you know what happens.
[04:30] <Refraxx> If it was a missing wallpaper,couldn't I just change the wallpaper & it will work like normal?
[04:30] <James147> Refraxx: yes.. have you tryed? can you not?
[04:31] <Refraxx> Yes, I have tried. No it has no effect.
[04:31] <craigwdy2k> Right.  About virtualizing Win7 x64: will installing the driver then uninstalling it get rid of my Resume from Hibernate issue?  I'
[04:31] <James147> Refraxx: what version of kubuntu/kde
[04:31] <James147> ?
[04:32] <Refraxx> If not mistaken, Version 9.04
[04:32] <craigwdy2k> m starting to think this might be some off-brand video card like Tseng or some other lesser known brand...  Even Windows seems to have issues with them...
[04:33] <Refraxx> I try to right click the desktop,but nothing happens.
[04:33] <James147> Refraxx: you still have the panel?
[04:34] <Refraxx> The bar at the very bottom of the screen?
[04:34] <James147> Refraxx: Yes
[04:34] <Refraxx> yes, I do
[04:35] <James147> then plasma-desktop is still working... not sure why its not responding to right clicks though... when did all this start happening?
[04:35] <craigwdy2k> Even S3 cards can be problematic since you can't order replacement BIOS chips for older PCI cards anymore...  I should know: it happened years ago on my Zeos Python Intel Aries based PCI 486 running OEM SR 2.
[04:35] <Refraxx> Months ago
[04:36] <Refraxx> I just havent been around to DO anything about it.
[04:37] <James147> Refraxx: Think I remember something similar happening a while ago... although I cant quite remember :) could you try a new user to see if they suffer from the same problem
[04:37] <Refraxx> Its been so long since I've done anything with this computer,it took me 5 minutes to figure out how to logon to this chat.
[04:37] <tweakedeh> hello, I'm having trouble playing a dvd, I have libdvdcss2 and libdvdread4 installed but vlc still says it cant decrypt the dvd.Does anyone know what I can try to get it working?
[04:37] <Refraxx> Yes, I could try a new user. How would I start?
[04:38] <James147> Refraxx: I think there should be a "user managment" section in system settings (probally under advanced) that you should be able to add users from
[04:39] <Refraxx> ok, found it. It is asking me for a password.
[04:39] <James147> Refraxx: Note also that 9.04 is quite old now (if I remember right it runs kde 4.2...) allot of advancements have been made in kde, you may want to consider upgrading
[04:40] <James147> Refraxx: that should be your users password
[04:40] <Refraxx> My brother sent me this disk for this vers. I have no idea how to upgrade without another disk.
[04:41] <Refraxx> Ok, James-I'm in.
[04:41] <James147> Refraxx: kpackagekit should be able to do it... if not
[04:41] <James147> !upgrade
[04:42] <James147> Refraxx: note that you might want to consider getting a livecd of the latest version to check to see if it will run fine on your computer first (there have been a few issues with some nvidia cards on lucid)
[04:44] <Refraxx> ok, I will check it out later. What do I do in the kde user screen?
[04:45] <James147> Refraxx: you should beable to click "new" to create a new user
[04:45] <James147> although I cannot remember what the dialog looked like back then :)
[04:45] <Refraxx> I see one that says "add",thats it isint it?
[04:46] <James147> Refraxx: I would think so :)
[04:46] <Refraxx> I dont mean to ask questions like a noob,but I feel very in over my head on this.
[04:46] <James147> Refraxx: its fine :)
[04:47] <Refraxx> Ok, what do I type in the box on the left?
[04:47] <Refraxx> It says "users in goup"
[04:48] <James147> Refraxx: hmm, that dosnt sound right... can you take a screen shot and paste it here?
[04:48] <James147> !pastebin
[04:49] <Refraxx> I dont know. Last time I tried to take a screen pic,the pc nearly crashed. It wouldnt stop taking pics
[04:50] <Refraxx> I could try again if you want.
[04:51] <James147> Refraxx: Never seen it do taht before :S you should only hit the printscreen button once, or launch "ksnapshot" directly
[04:54] <Refraxx> Ok, How do I send the pic?
[04:54] <James147> !screenshot
[04:56] <Refraxx> I clicked on the link,"tiny url" but nothing happened.
[04:57] <James147> Refraxx: if a web page dosnt open then copy it and paste the link into a web broswer
[04:57] <Refraxx> I could rip it from my pc & send it to an email address.
[04:57] <Refraxx> ok
[05:01] <craigwdy2k> Ugh!!  According to this I need to recompile KDE: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-release-team&m=128091571809498&w=4.  What a headache...  This install is a fresh one too...  Based on this alone I'm thinking Kubuntu 10.04 is a very bad idea for Refraxx.  I'd recommend Kubuntu 9.10.  Just a thought: I wonder if he could do a dist-upgrade...  If so though you'd probably want to backup first...
[05:03] <James147> craigwdy2k: that link only talks about kde 4.5... lucid comes with 4.4 be default
[05:06] <Refraxx> In the user screen, what am I looking for?
[05:06] <craigwdy2k> Yeah well: I installed KDE 4.5 after enabling the extra Repos & now this...
[05:06] <Refraxx> It might be the right one.
[05:07] <James147> Refraxx: I really cannot remember what the kde 4.2 one looks like... but here its a "new" button on the "users" tab
[05:09] <Refraxx> No, I'm sorry. I mean after that. I hit the "new" icon. Now I see a screen where I have the option to add or remove
[05:09] <craigwdy2k> Does apt-get come with a package rebuild script?  If not can I borrow the Fink apt-get Perl front-end create the .info file telling it to recompile KDE with the listed patch?  At least then I could finally go to sleep knowing my PC will be trying to fix itself while I'm asleep (literally)...
[05:11] <Refraxx> It wants to know what I want to call the new group name.
[05:11] <James147> Refraxx: not sure why there would be an add/remove button if your adding a new user... a screenshot would help me to see what you need to do... or giveup on the gui and run "sudo adduser USERNAME" from a terminal :)
[05:12] <James147> Refraxx: sounds to me like your on the groups part not the user part
[05:13] <Refraxx> I dont see an icon "new". The closest one to that I see is "add".
[05:14] <Refraxx> In the users section, I see many names & mine is among them.
[05:14] <James147> Refraxx: just run "sudo adduser USERNAME" from a terminal (replacing USERNAME with a disared username) that should create a new user :)
[05:14] <Refraxx> ok
[05:15] <craigwdy2k> The best part is Fink is like apt-get with a brain...  It automatically selects the best autotools in order to increase the odds of a successfull compilation...  It even managed to compile both KDE 3.5.10-X and KDE 4.4.1-X X11 on my '12 PowerBook G4 1.5 GHz running 10.5.8 with 1.25 GBs of RAM with a fully updated Xcode Tools & XQuartz
[05:18] <craigwdy2k> Big Endian KDE compilations on any version of Darwin rarely succeed too I might add...  It's quite rare indeed...  I never did manage to get any of the XDroplet KDE App-launcher icons to work though...
[05:18] <Refraxx> ok, in the terminal it says:   Enter a username matching the regular expression configured via the NAME_REGEX[_SYSTEM] configuration variable.  Use the `--force-badname'
[05:19] <Refraxx> What the heck is it talking about?
[05:20] <Refraxx> I picked a bad time to quit smoking
[05:22] <James147> Refraxx: what name did you use?
[05:22] <Refraxx> My first name
[05:22] <James147> Refraxx: all lower case?
[05:22] <Refraxx> ...um,no.....
[05:22] <James147> Refraxx: unix likes its lower case usernames :)
[05:22] <Refraxx> case matters?
[05:23] <Refraxx> ok.
[05:23] <Refraxx> lemmie try again. 1 sec.
[05:23] <James147> Refraxx: it does, as a general rule its best to use lowercase for all usernames
[05:23] <craigwdy2k> You may as well just call it Test...  I'm guessing the other account probably has the same first name listed too...  Maybe that's why Bash is complaining verbosely...
[05:24] <James147> Could also be that ^^ make sure its different from your current users (test or guest should be fine for the test)
[05:25] <Refraxx> Ok, It said:     bash: "username": command not found
[05:25] <James147> Refraxx: "sudo adduser test"  should be fine to create a user called 'test'
[05:26] <Refraxx> ok. Trying that now.
[05:27] <Refraxx> Ah ha! that seemed to work. its asking for a new unix password.
[05:27] <Refraxx> What's a unix password?
[05:27] <James147> Refraxx: type in a simple password you can remember... this is only a test account that you should delete after so security isnt much of a consern
[05:27] <Refraxx> is it like the password I use to enter the kde wallet?
[05:28] <James147> Refraxx: it is just asking for a password for that user
[05:28] <Refraxx> oh, ok
[05:28] <James147> or is that sudos password :)
[05:29] <Refraxx> I dont know. Its asking for "new unix password"
[05:29] <James147> Refraxx: if the line read: "[sudo] password for YOUR_CURRENT_USER:"  then enter your password, if not then it should be the password of the new user
[05:29] <James147> Refraxx: that sounds like it wants a new password :) just type somethign you can remember... it should ask you for it twice
[05:32] <Refraxx> passwd: password updated successfully Changing the user information for test  Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[05:32] <Refraxx> Thats what came up after I put in the new passwrord twice.
[05:33] <James147> Refraxx: the defaults should be fine (just hit enter)
[05:34] <rackIT> migrated from hardy to lucid a few weeks ago - how do I show plasmoids only on the dashboard?
[05:34] <Refraxx> ok, now it asks me for a room number. What's that?
[05:35] <James147> Refraxx: just leave it blank
[05:35] <Refraxx> So, hit enter?
[05:36] <James147> rackIT: on kde 4.5 its at System settings > Workspace > "Dashboard" to "Show an independed widget set"    I cannot remember where the option is in 4.4 though... I have a feeling it might be under application appearance
[05:36] <James147> rackIT: yup
[05:36] <Refraxx> Hitting enter would be the same as leaving it blank?
[05:36] <James147> Refraxx: yup ^^
[05:37] <James147> Refraxx: yeah, non of the info in important for testing a new user
[05:38] <Refraxx> ok,now what? Its back to the  "user@user-desktop~$" thing again.
[05:38] <Refraxx> Reset pc?
[05:38] <James147> Refraxx: now you should be able to logout and login as a new user... seee if the problem exists with them then come back here
[05:39] <James147> Refraxx: you just need to logout, you dont need to reboot
[05:39] <Refraxx> ok
[05:39] <Refraxx> ok, logging out back soon.
[05:39] <rackIT> James147: System Setting > Desktop > Workspace. Thanks much!
[05:39] <James147> rackIT: yup that sounds about right ;)
[05:40] <craigwdy2k> I found this: http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=101130.  How hard would it be to have it do what I'm asking of it...?
[05:42] <craigwdy2k> I would use Fink but I'm having trouble finding the .PL apt-get CLI front-end that it downloads whenever it uses its selfupdate function to rebuild/reinstall the Perl apt-get front-end...
[05:43] <craigwdy2k> Not even Google knows about its existence...  Very weird.
[05:52] <craigwdy2k> Oh wait... I just realized that Fink is only able to get away with using that script since they're using an ancient like 0.5.5X release of APT... What about RPM-build? Is there an apt-get equivalent way to automate these tedious tarball downloading, patching, compiling tasks...?  That's really most of what Fink does in a nutshell in addition to selectively down-grading/upgrading dependencies on a as needed only basis...
[06:08] <craigwdy2k> Does anybody know what this new Expandable Folders option in the Dolpin Preferences does?  Is it like a unfinished clone of Apple's Spring-Loaded Folders feature?  I hope so because I love that feature...
[06:08] <craigwdy2k> Dolphin*
[06:10] <craigwdy2k> You know the one Apple added in Mac OS 9 that auto-opens folders while copying/cutting pasting files into deeply nested folders...  Is this like a reverse-engineering clone of that?
[06:14] <James147> craigwdy2k: I think it just list the folders (and subfolders) in a tree view
[06:16] <James147> craigwdy2k: it might be similar to that feature (not having seen it) as it allows you to drag files/folders over other folder and it will auto expand them after a short delay
[06:17] <craigwdy2k> Well let me just tell you this; Spring-Loaded Folders are a real Mac productivity booster: I don't what I'd  do without them.  It makes Extension/Control Panel troubleshooting in Mac OS 9 go a lot faster for items that fail to show up in Apple's Extension Manager for whatever reason...
[06:21] <craigwdy2k> Oh Yeah; that's how Apple's feature works too: I believe is Mac OS 9 you can fine tune it too: i.e. there's a time delay slider in the Finder Preferences.  Whereas in OS X the speed varies depending on the age/config of the Mac the Finder is currently running on which is mainly due to the fact that the Carbonized OS X Finder is somewhat buggier & needs to be re-launched via Apple/Command+Option+Esc. periodically.  Moreso on older
[06:21] <craigwdy2k>  Macs in general...
[06:22] <craigwdy2k> in Mac OS 9*
[06:24] <craigwdy2k> Usually the OS X Finder can run for anywhere from days on end to weeks on end before needing to be relaunched: updates that require reboots do tend to reduce the odd of it needing a relaunch significantly though...
[06:25] <craigwdy2k> odds*
[06:26] <craigwdy2k> The best part is though that you can drag folders from a Finder window in OS X straight into Apple'
[06:27] <craigwdy2k> s Terminal App or iTerm.  Very useful if you compile from  tarballs a lot like I do...
[06:41] <Refraxx> James? Are you still here?
[06:43] <Refraxx> I had to start with the user I have been starting with. Something went wrong. It was just a blank screen. No widgets. No dashboard. Nothing
[06:44] <Refraxx> I am in way over my head here.
[06:46] <Refraxx> Hey, guys? Is there a way to email James147 when he is offline?
[06:46] <well_laid_lawn> heh - I don't think so...
[09:29] <sinister-nation> hi is anyone here
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> 249 ppl are and 1 op - why aren't ops ppl too ?
[09:31] <well_laid_lawn> answers on a ten dollar note pls
[09:41] <TheKro> is it possible to have two different versions of a package installed on your system?
[09:41] <TheKro> and if so, how do i do it?
[09:42] <well_laid_lawn> d/load the source for the second and build it but don't install it - just run the executable from the build dir
[09:42] <well_laid_lawn> *if the deps are there
[09:43] <well_laid_lawn> err deps = dependencies :]
[09:43] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: ok, but I need to install it as a dependency for another application
[09:44] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: I want to install ktimetracker 4.3 in Lucid, because 4.4 has a bad regression
[09:44] <well_laid_lawn> it's not something I've ever tried
[09:44] <TheKro> TheKro: but 4.3 needs kdepim = 4.3
[09:44] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: libkdepim = 4.3 even
[09:44] <well_laid_lawn> heh :]
[09:45] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  is ktimetracker 4.3 from a ppa?
[09:45] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: i haven't got it yet - just assuming I can download a .deb somewhere
[09:46] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: the alternative is to patch the source of 4.4.  I have the patch, but don't know how to get the source and install from it
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  it will depend on needed lib versions etc as to whether it would be doable
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  sudo apt-get source ktimetracker
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> source instead of install
[09:48] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: ahh
[09:49] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[09:49] <TheKro> just add something to sources.list? what?
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  they should be there just ommented tho maybe
[09:50] <well_laid_lawn> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:50] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: nothing about source commented out there
[09:51] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[09:51] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: do I add a lucid-source line, or add source to the main, restricted, etc list?
[09:51] <well_laid_lawn> this should have something on it - not using an ubuntu box atm
[09:52] <well_laid_lawn> I'm sure kpackagekit would have a menu entry for it
[09:57] <rethus> on my kde desktop i have now the context-menu entry "Activities".
[09:57] <rethus> For what are these entry?
[10:01] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: well_laid_lawn : i needed deb-src lines in the sources.list .  I've run the apt-get source command now - where would the code be?
[10:02] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  do you do   apt-get update   or similar?
[10:03] <well_laid_lawn> the files should be in /usr/src or in the dir you ran the command - normally /usr/src
[10:03] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: yeah - i had to do an update after modifying the sources.list
[10:04] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  is it in /usr/src ?
[10:04] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: nope - only linux kernel source there
[10:05] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: found it
[10:05] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  where pls ?
[10:06] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: I've moved it to /usr/src
[10:06] <well_laid_lawn> k :}
[10:07] <TheKro> unfortunately, I had to download the source for the whole kdepim package
[10:07] <well_laid_lawn> those deps will get you every time :]
[10:08] <TheKro> so I have what looks like a unified patch from http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226915
[10:08] <TheKro> (comment #7)
[10:08] <TheKro> but don't know how to apply it
[10:09] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: I assume I must use the patch command, but not sure in which dir or with what parameters
[10:09] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: and then I will presumably need to install from the source
[10:09] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  sorry was afk - let me look :]
[10:13] <TheKro> it seems I can go into the dir with those files in and just run patch < filename.patch ?
[10:13] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  comment no.12 seems like it works - I don't use the app tho
[10:19] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: his way looks very complicated, and he seems to be installing duplicate copies of the kdepim libraries at different versions (i.e. he's changing the dependencies, but then needs to install the old libraries to allow that)?
[10:19] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: wouldn't it make more sense to just apply the author's patch?
[10:20] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  more then likely - that bug does need some work from the comments there and the patch could do with some "helpful hints"
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  you could ask in #kubuntu-devs
[10:22] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: thx for the help
[10:22] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  sorry I couldn't help more... :]
[10:23] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: no problem
[10:24] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: you sure of that channel name - it doesn't seem to exit
[10:25] <TheKro> well_laid_lawn: exist*
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> oops
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> TheKro:  you could ask in #kubuntu-devel
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> !channels
[11:28] <txuski> Hi there, can anyone tell where it is to be found the option to remove and create activities in kubuntu netbook remix?
[11:29] <txuski> I thought it would be the same as standard kubuntu desktop, but I cannot find any option for that under the cashew
[11:29] <txuski> and somehow I have created a new activity that I really cannot figure out how to delete
[11:31] <tom____> anyone knows how to enable amarok-tabs on the left of amarok (internet, collection,...) in 10.04?
[11:33] <txuski> okay... each time I change activity type, it seems to create a new activity
[11:33] <txuski> that's broken and not intended I hope?
[11:47] <txuski> uhm... does the netbook version still have a "beta" tag hidding? =)
[11:47] <txuski> I had to manually edit all plasma config files...
[11:47] <txuski> the activity changing option should be hidden for now...
[11:57] <txuski> It seems that the only way to remove activities is that those ought to be "newspaper" type activities
[11:57] <txuski> (graphically, that is)
[12:02] <matusz> why DSL tab is disabled in jaunty network-manager system-config page, any pointers?
[12:21] <crunch2> Hello, im having a little trouble to install matlab in kubuntu. When i run the install script ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/484440/ ) in ubuntu it questions me if i want to run the aplication in the terminal and it starts the GUI for the install. In kubuntu if i execute the file through terminal it starts the text based install menu. With this last menu i dont manage to perform the installation. Any tips? thanks in advance
[13:06] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[13:06] <gnomefreak> hi
[13:07] <phoenix_> hello gnomefreak
[13:07] <ubuntu> hello phoenix_
[13:07] <phoenix_> hello ubuntu
[13:07] <ubuntu> Where are you?
[13:08] <phoenix_> dont know
[13:11] <phoenix_> anyone using creative sound cards
[13:20] <lanceburrows> hey
[13:21] <lanceburrows> can anyone help me with this error installing 10.04
[13:21] <lanceburrows> NoneType object has no attribute Get_Info
[13:22] <lanceburrows> any help
[13:22] <lanceburrows> I cant install
[13:22] <lanceburrows> im using wubi to duel boot
[13:22] <lanceburrows> I have downloaded kubuntu 3 times same error
[13:25] <ubuntu> I don't have error !
[13:28] <JokerOfDarkness> тыц тыц тыц)
[13:41] <mihalis> q
[13:42] <prower> hello :> does anyone else find that resizing widgets in 10.04 is a bit...off at times? i've resized the cpu monitor widget a few times for example, but occasionally when i click unlock widgets or just on the desktop in general, it goes back to the original size
[13:50] <KapitanKubata> #Vandal
[13:51] <KapitanKubata> #vandal
[14:07] <Darkmoon_UK> Anyone else unable to switch on Desktop COmpositing in KDE4.5?
[14:08] <Darkmoon_UK> It always says another application has temporarily disabled it
[14:08] <Darkmoon_UK> But I have closed all applications, so it must be a failing component of the Desktop
[14:36] <marcin> Hello everybody
[15:01] <wer_> Is there an option in kpackage kit to generate script for a package ?
[15:01] <wer_> like we have insynaptic
[15:05] <Mamarok> wer_: what sort of script do you mean?
[15:06] <Mamarok> the package download script? No, no such option in KPackagekit
[15:06] <wer_> Mamarok: I cannot connect to internet on my kubuntu 10.04
[15:06] <Mamarok> of course, that script only works if you add all the packages in a second step
[15:07] <wer_> Mamarok: how ?
[15:07] <Mamarok> well, that will not help
[15:07] <wer_> Mamarok: would ApTonCD work on kubuntu?
[15:07] <Mamarok> as it will need to either have all the installed packages in the apt-cache, or access the internet to download the listed packages
[15:08] <Mamarok> and the CD doesn't have all the packages, most KDE is in universe
[15:08] <Mamarok> why can't you connect?
[15:08] <wer_> Mamarok: I have another system on which I installed all packages that Irequire mostly using apt-get
[15:09] <wer_> Mamarok: I just bought a dell laptop it doesn't detect my ethernet card I guess
[15:09] <wer_> it = Kubuntu 10.04
[15:09] <Mamarok> wer_: so you can't connect when trying the live CD?
[15:09] <Mamarok> or is it just knetwork manager not detecting your WiFi?
[15:10] <wer_> Mamarok: Neither from Live Cd nor via independent install
[15:10] <Mamarok> wow, what strange card is in that laptop?
[15:11] <wer_> Mamarok: nearly the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1505697&page=6
[15:11] <wer_> Mamarok: same Laptop model too
[15:12] <Mamarok> ouch, didn't you check before buying?
[15:12] <wer_> no :(
[15:13] <Mamarok> one lesson learned
[15:13] <Mamarok> OK, let's try to find a solution: how about downloading a DVD which has all KDE on it?
[15:13] <Mamarok> from the location you are on now I mean
[15:14] <wer_> Mamarok: how ?
[15:14] <Mamarok> btw, can't you connect via LAN? Usually that doesn't use the same card
[15:14] <Mamarok> maybe only your WiFi is affected, not the ethernet card
[15:15] <Mamarok> let me find that DVD link, moment
[15:15] <wer_> can't say. I use a wired ethernet...
[15:15] <wer_> Kubuntu shows a M in taskbar clicking on it opens Manage Connections
[15:16] <Mamarok> see here, there are links to torrents for both 32bit and 64bit DVD downloads: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[15:17] <sergio> salve
[15:17] <sergio> !list
[15:18] <Mamarok> sergio: English, please
[15:18] <wer_> Mamarok: I read that dvd only has language packs in it
[15:19] <wer_> does it contains build-essential etc too ?
[15:19] <Mamarok> where did you read that?
[15:20] <wer_> Mamarok: so it doesn't contain only language packs ?
[15:20] <Mamarok> wer_: I am not sure, that is why I ask you where you read that
[15:20] <Mamarok> I would be astnosihed it were only language packs
[15:20] <Mamarok> astonished*
[15:21] <wer_> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[15:22] <sergio> salve
[15:22] <Mamarok> !it | sergio
[15:23] <wer_> Mamarok: did you find that ?
[15:24] <Mamarok> yes, I always thought it would have the universe packages as well :(
[15:25] <wer_> Mamarok: so is there another hack to install build-essential on my system
[15:25] <wer_> ?
[15:25] <Mamarok> well, you can make your own CD or DVD, let me search that link...
[15:27] <Mamarok> wer_: see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[15:27] <Mamarok> so you can ditch all the language packs you don't use, and add more packages, especially packages you need
[15:28] <wer_> ok
[15:28] <Mamarok> wer_: actually, the ecaxt link is this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[15:28] <Mamarok> exact*
[15:34] <mmm3m> does anyone had crushes with ktorrent?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[15:34] <mmm3m> morning
[15:35] <Mamarok> mmm3m: not so far, no. You mean crashes, right? What exact version of KDE do you use?
[15:35] <mmm3m> the latest one
[15:35] <mmm3m> 4.5
[15:36] <mmm3m> when i was trying to change the priority of the torrents ktorrent crashes
[15:37] <Mamarok> hm, you should check for bugs on http://bugs.kde.org then, maybe it is already reported, if not, report it with a backtrace
[15:37] <mmm3m> ok tu
[15:41] <Anpu_> Hi, Kubuntu cannot find proprietary driver for my card (Nvidia gtx 460)
[15:42] <Anpu_> many users told me not to use one from nvidia site (where my card is supported)
[15:42] <Anpu_> any idea how to solve this?
[15:42] <James147> Anpu_: what cannot find the drivers?
[15:42] <Anpu_> is there driver in repo at all that supports my card?
[15:42] <Anpu_> i removed noveau and started Hardware drivers program
[15:43] <Anpu_> it searched and couldnt find driver for my card
[15:43] <gnomefreak> Anpu_: do you have multiverse repos enabled?
[15:43] <James147> Anpu_: hmm... you can try installing "nvidia-current"
[15:43] <Anpu_> yes i had enabled all except prerelease
[15:44] <Anpu_> nvidia-current, I think I ve tried it with no luck, forgot
[15:44] <gnomefreak> Anpu_: are you on maverick?
[15:44] <Anpu_> no, tried on lynx (and currently writing from win 7)
[15:45] <gnomefreak> Anpu_: you are on Lucid?
[15:45] <Anpu_> if only I can set drivers, I can remove this useless OS :)
[15:45] <gnomefreak> well not now but you know what i mean
[15:45] <Anpu_> yes, lucid
[15:46] <gnomefreak> 1st mistake was removing nouveau since it is default drivers
[15:46] <gnomefreak> im not sure if your card is newer that series 6 or not
[15:46] <Anpu_> it was from ubuntu tutorial how to install binary drivers
[15:47] <gnomefreak> amichair: nvidia-current only supports series 6 and newer
[15:47] <gnomefreak> Anpu_: ^^^
[15:47] <Anpu_> and it blocks hardware drivers program to find other drive
[15:47] <Anpu_> r*
[15:48] <Anpu_> i guess 6xx is newer..
[15:48] <Anpu_> i thought the latest was gtx 480
[15:49] <James147> Anpu_: the 6 series is very old now :)
[15:49] <Anpu_> ah ok, my bad :)
[15:49] <gnomefreak> not very :(
[15:49] <James147> gnomefreak: it is quite... in terms of graphics cards
[15:49] <Anpu_> 460 is kind of new, so i heard driver for linux comming our in 2 months
[15:49] <Anpu_> but i m not sure
[15:49] <gnomefreak> James147: yeah i know
[15:50] <gnomefreak> give me a few minutes im looking into this
[15:50] <Anpu_> np, i m in no hurry
[15:53] <gnomefreak> looks like nvidia-surrent is best option but should also work with the 173 drivers
[15:53] <gnomefreak> s/nvidia-surrent/nvidia-current
[15:53] <gnomefreak> now as for why it cant be found not sure but i may have another option
[15:54] <gnomefreak> Anpu_: can you open a terminal and run jockey-kde
[15:55] <Anpu_> I am at Win 7 atm, just stopped by to see if any solution is possible
[15:55] <gnomefreak> oh yeah
[15:55] <Anpu_> I heard one of solutions could be adding xorg-edgers
[15:55] <Anpu_> their ppa*
[15:56] <gnomefreak> Anpu_: try running that. that is not the best idea since they are not tested before uploading
[15:57] <Anpu_> ok, thanks for a help gnomefreak
[15:57] <gnomefreak> oh and reinstall noevoua or how ever it is spelled
[15:57] <Anpu_> okay
[15:59] <Mamarok> nouveau
[15:59] <Mamarok> which is French for 'new'
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, new driver = conductuer nouveau  :)
[16:19] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: yep, conducteur :)
[16:21] <EagleScreen> hello
[16:21]  * BluesKaj recalls some french ...I heare french spoken around me almost every day but it's the canadian patois , which is awful to hear , there are some who speak a recognizable version but not many
[16:22] <BluesKaj> hi EagleScreen
[16:22] <EagleScreen> anybody know why the kmix .desktop file is not launched from ~/.config/autostart in a non-KDE desktop?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> EagleScreen, maybe the kdelibs for kmix are missing
[16:23] <phoenix_> is there a way to get search and lauch in kubuntu desktop
[16:24] <EagleScreen> kmix runs well from the menu
[16:24] <EagleScreen> but I want to autostart it
[16:24] <James147> phoenix_: yes, you need to install "kubuntu-netbook" or maby "plasma-netbook"
[16:25] <phoenix_> James147: hello james, is there a widget for that
[16:25] <BluesKaj> EagleScreen, if you check kmix in the package manager you'll see why
[16:27] <EagleScreen> BluesKaj: I really dont see it
[16:28] <phoenix_> James147: where can i find the list of channels in kubuntu irc
[16:28] <BluesKaj> check the required libs and dependencies , you practically need kubuntu-desktop , but what app / script will launch it at startup is beynond my expertise .
[16:29] <BluesKaj> phoenix_, in the server test box type !list
[16:29] <James147> phoenix_: its not a widget, its an activity type, once you have kubuntu-netbook installed you can switch between the plasma-netbook and plasma-desktop via system settings > desktop > workspace  (kde 4.4)   (you probally want plasma-desktop) and you can get the search and launch view by right clicking the desktop > desktop settings > activity
[16:30] <EagleScreen> BluesKaj: kmix is installed with all its dependencies, and it is working perfectly, do I need "practically kubuntu-desktop" to can autostart it?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> EagleScreen, dunno for sure
[16:30] <EagleScreen> if I can autostart any other .desktop file, why kmix .desktop file is not autostarting?
[16:30] <James147> EagleScreen: What are you trying to autostart it in? do other programs work if you place them in that location?
[16:31] <EagleScreen> yes, quassel is working
[16:31] <EagleScreen> i put them in ~/.config/autostart
[16:31] <EagleScreen> i am using LXDE
[16:31] <James147> EagleScreen: try looking in the kmix.desktop  see if there is a line saying kdeonly or similar...
[16:33] <EagleScreen> James147: I commen ted the kdeonly line with an # to can have it in the LXDE menu
[16:36] <James147> EagleScreen: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Autostart << you could try adding it to that file
[16:37] <phoenix_> James147: installed plasma-netbook. it works great.
[16:39] <phoenix_> James147: how to hide personal info in Quassel irc client
[16:40] <James147> !cloak
[16:42] <SM_Regenkoenig> Ein schön wilder chat
[17:32] <Macer> hello. i just installed kubuntu 10.04 on an emachine and for some reason it kdm just goes back to the login screen after attempting to start kde
[17:32] <Macer> i can't seem to drop to a console either :(
[17:33] <Macer> when i try to go to a console it blanks the screen
[17:35] <Macer> you can see it going through the motions. blah this sucks. why can't this just be easy
[17:37] <shadeslayer> Macer: did you MD5SUM the ISO?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> and the CD
[17:37] <shadeslayer> if they were corrupted, you will have a broken install
[17:38] <shadeslayer> and then check if you have kubuntu-desktop installed
[17:38] <shadeslayer> and finally check the kdm logs
[17:39] <shadeslayer> sorry but ive gtg.. maybe someone else can help you...
[17:57] <ToxinPowe> Macer: I think is a bug that repeat many times, look at google
[17:57] <ToxinPowe> with kde kubuntu black screen
[17:58] <Guest48481> hello
[17:58] <Guest48481> hi
[18:06] <Macer> ToxinPowe: well. i don't think it is a black screen as it is more so kde not starting at all once kdm passes over to it
[18:06] <Macer> you can see kde trying to start ... it makes it through ti little icon list while loading then just kind of crashes and goes back to kdm. :/ blah. i have to go. i'll figure it out later. maybe if i hook it up to a crt that doesn't blank i can get it.
[18:07] <ToxinPowe> ok
[18:07] <Macer> or i guess i can probably get an olver ver of kubuntu and upgrade it and hope it doesn't happen going about it that way
[18:07] <Macer> thanks ;)
[18:51] <phoenix_> anyone familier with alsa programming
[18:59] <rportal> salsa programming?
[19:17] <prower> hello :> i'm trying to re-configure my network card's settings, but in the kde network manager tray tool, none of them are listed :< i've never had the same problem in gnome, anyone else seen this?
[19:24] <sinister-nation> hello is there anyone here?
[19:26] <sinister-nation> can someone tell me with Kubuntu 10.04 i386 install, is there a way to install amd64 over the i386 without doing a dvd iso download?
[19:28] <sinister-nation> can someone tell me with Kubuntu 10.04 i386 install, is there a way to install amd64 over the i386 without doing a dvd iso download?
[19:49] <prower> hello :> i'm using 10.04, i'm trying to re-configure one of my network cards but none of them are listed in knetworkmanager for some reason :< has anyone else had this problem?
[19:59] <DarthFrog> prower: I just solved that problem on my wife's new laptop. :-)  Is it a wireless NIC?
[19:59] <prower> DarthFrog, Hmm...nope, not in my case :> Both of them are standard PCI NIC's
[19:59] <prower> (wired)
[20:10] <DarthFrog> prower: Well, in my case the Broadcom NIC needed the driver loaded and firmware made available.
[20:14] <prower> DarthFrog, I was initially using gnome and that worked fine, i'm wondering if because i installed kubuntu-desktop after the fact has something to do with it :< hard to say, i can still enable/disable them at least but that's all
[20:16] <DarthFrog> They worked fine in GNOME but not in KDE?  That's weird.
[20:18] <prower> DarthFrog, Yeah, currently the only way that I can configure them via GUI is to use the utility included with GNOME
[20:21] <bmunger> i think im losing it.. something happened to two different machines running different hardware.. one is kubuntu 9.10 the other is kubuntu 10.04, so different package versions... my mouse double clicks on single click randomly
[20:21] <bmunger> i thought a reboot would fix things, but no go
[20:22] <bmunger> started about a week ago
[20:32] <bmunger> come on 290 people here and not one answer
[20:35] <DarthFrog> Maybe no-one knows either what you're asking or the solution.
[20:35] <DarthFrog> Personally, I'd suspect a hardware issue.  Try a different mouse.
[20:57] <trd> somebody know how to change the splash screen? id like regular linux text boot
[20:58] <trd> this plymouth thing doesn't seem to react
[21:00] <James147> trd: you should be able to add "nosplash" to the boot parameters
[21:02] <trd> james147> should this be defined in grub? Is plymouth splashing for the window maker?
[21:03] <James147> trd: yes, you ned to change /etc/default/grub
[21:03] <James147> then run "sudo update-grub"
[21:04] <James147> not sure what you mean by "window maker" though
[21:06] <trd> james147> With 'window-maker' i mean gui desktop systems like kde, gnome. Can i assume plymouth provides splashing for them guis to boot up?
[21:06] <trd> thanks anyway though for the help
[21:10]  * trd slowly getting to understand things more then some windows ok button
[21:11] <trd> maby does somebody want to explain me this also; if i man for boot i can derive some descriptions of bootscripts
[21:11] <trd> some of which i cant find back on my system
[21:12] <trd> so where and in what follow up are the basic boot instructions like i might mix this up too like with this plymouth
[21:12] <trd> id say grub > boot/local rc file and then /etc and runlevels?
[21:23] <trd> does somebody in here know where to go for starters questions?
[21:24] <Darkmoon_UK> here?
[21:24] <Darkmoon_UK> Ok, looking at ur question...
[21:24] <Darkmoon_UK> oh, I see, plymouth...
[21:25]  * Darkmoon_UK turns, runs, disappears down the hallway... a faint bang of closing door is heard
[21:25] <trd> yes thanks i thought it was the first bootscreen but now james made me thing its the splasher AFTER login
[21:25] <trd> but this grub tip is already interesting :-)
[21:26] <Darkmoon_UK> alright, in any case, I can tell you this... when you boot, hold shift
[21:26] <Darkmoon_UK> it will go to boot menu
[21:26] <Darkmoon_UK> press e to edit the boot line before booting
[21:26] <Darkmoon_UK> (it will list that as an option)
[21:26] <Darkmoon_UK> then at the end of the boot line, put nosplash
[21:27] <Darkmoon_UK> that willl suppress the graphics and let you read all of what's going on
[21:27] <Darkmoon_UK> oh someone already told u that
[21:27] <Darkmoon_UK> you can edit grub.lst to do it permanently
[21:27] <Darkmoon_UK> no more splash, easy.
[21:27] <Darkmoon_UK> good luck ^_^
[21:28] <James147> Darkmoon_UK: grub.lst? dont you mean /etc/default/grub  :)
[21:28] <trd> ah thanks alot now would you happen to know in what datafile names the instructions are from off to on order? like i know about /etc/rc.d and init.d a little
[21:28] <trd> these come at last
[21:28] <trd> and i think /boot/rc.local is after grub.. is that right?
[21:29] <James147> trd: also, the login splash screen is not part of plymouth... you can disable it by System settings > Appearance > splash screen.. but it wont give you a text login
[21:29] <Darkmoon_UK> just testing of course
[21:29]  * Darkmoon_UK gets his coat
[21:29] <trd> yes well darkmoon this is also nice to know.. because plymouth also used nosplash as an argument.. or is it parameter?
[21:30] <trd> james147: so if i boot like that id get just a black screen?
[21:30] <trd> what are pipes?
[21:31] <well_laid_lawn> |
[21:31] <trd> well_laid_lawn: is that the signal for pipe? i red something like 'named pipes' in some manual what is that?
[21:31] <trd> its some type of file but i cannot access it?
[21:31] <James147> trd: the splash screen between kdm and desktop isnt part of the boot...
[21:32] <James147> trd: what are you trying to obtain overall?
[21:32] <James147> ^^ what are you trying to do?
[21:33] <trd> understanding what happens by changing things. im working on some different boot so that i can see the text and try from there
[21:34] <trd> but i also cant but a different text on my login like a nice project would be to put my login and passworld field like a webpage sinked it the login manager
[21:34] <trd> so does somebody know about them pipes.. i dont understand them as well
[21:35] <trd> but should be put
[21:35] <maco> a named pipe is a file that you can > things to that'll act like a | to something
[21:35] <maco> iirc
[21:36] <trd> where can i find the instruction of where it does | to? how do you tell something is a pipe?
[21:37] <trd> maco: does iirc has to do with your answer? or what do you mean with that?
[21:37] <maco> iirc = if i recall correctly
[21:38] <maco> trd: did you read the wikipedia page yet?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Named_pipe
[21:38] <trd> okay well thanks and why would this file act is it like a network?
[21:38] <trd> oh wait, thanks
[21:40] <trd> maco: what kind of named pipes would be on my system right now?
[21:40] <maco> dont know
[21:40] <maco> never went digging for them
[21:40] <trd> can you give me a more actual example of what they do?
[21:41] <well_laid_lawn> isn't standard output a named pipe?
[21:41] <trd> im a little trying to dig to get some puzzle of terms fixed into some nice picture i guess :-)
[21:41] <trd> well_laid_lawn: like the letters on my screen and a print?
[21:42] <trd> if i am in the terminal where could i find the letters on my screen?
[21:42] <well_laid_lawn> standard in is what you type - standard out and standard error is what comes back
[21:43] <trd> and this is in a file on my system?
[21:44] <trd> so if i understand well this file instructs but where is it?
[21:44] <well_laid_lawn> everything is a file in linux
[21:44] <well_laid_lawn> in /dev
[21:44] <trd> yes i'm starting to find out
[21:44] <trd> like you had boot.ini in windows
[21:44] <trd> but just much more complicated *sigh
[21:45] <well_laid_lawn> the files in /etc/grub.d are like boot.ini - kinda
[21:46] <trd> well_laid_lawn: now in dev are devices like i use with 'mount' but what i dont get is how to open them
[21:46] <trd> i cant read them files
[21:46] <trd> yes they give me the harddisk or whatever
[21:46] <well_laid_lawn> they're not meant to be human readable
[21:46] <trd> but where are the instructions whether its a harddrive or cd?
[21:47] <James147> trd: hard drives start with sd  or (not used so much anymore) hd
[21:47] <well_laid_lawn> that would be from the file descriptor
[21:47] <well_laid_lawn> this really isn't kubuntu support tho
[21:48] <well_laid_lawn> what are you trying to do - seems you are taking the long road to it
[21:49] <trd> james147: yes i also noticed that, which brings some overview in it *sigh again* i mean these are much much more letters then like in windows
[21:50] <well_laid_lawn> have you seen how long the registry is in windows?
[21:50] <trd> well_laid_lawn: thanks also :-) I'm trying to go a little longer and wonder where to do that?
[21:51] <trd> yes i did but i think many things you need to change a million times to get it done once..
[21:51] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know what that means..
[21:51] <James147> trd: its more logically structured... hard drives begind with sd  then follows the letter of the drive (starting at a) then follows the partition number (starting at 1)  so the first partition of your first hard disk is /dev/sda1
[21:51] <trd> which is better with linux
[21:53] <trd> james147: yes i noticded, like now i use df to find out which windows partition it is i want to mount? maby you have a better trick?
[21:53] <trd> what is a file descriptor?
[21:53] <trd> well_laid_lawn: you said about the long road. i don't have to go professionally but im trying to get a little longer.. :-)
[21:54] <trd> anyhow i've got enough to think about, thanks for the help ;-)
[21:54] <James147> trd: df as far as I know will only list mounted drives... you want to use "sudo fdisk -l"  or "sudo blkid -c /dev/null"
[21:54] <trd> any idea where this type of discussion belongs?
[21:55] <well_laid_lawn> I would find some books on linux basics to read
[21:57] <trd> james147: it doesn't pipe anything
[21:57] <trd> could i say that?
[21:57] <trd> i mean blkid -c /dev/null doesnt give me the attributes the man blkid sais it does
[21:58] <trd> cachefile is used because it is constantly open?
[21:58] <well_laid_lawn> you need to put sudo in front of that command
[21:59] <trd> as i said, thanks anyway. I need to read some linux books indeed
[21:59] <James147> trd: blkid needs sudo to use -c /dev/null (which causes it to not use the cashed values, which can differ slightly if things have changed)
[21:59] <trd> well_laid_lawn: if you do sudo bash the problem is over i found
[21:59] <well_laid_lawn> !manual
[22:00] <well_laid_lawn> I would never do   sudo bash - the trouble that could cause...
[22:00] <trd> believe me im carefull
[22:01] <trd> like i did man before i executed blkid
[22:01] <trd> i had enough trouble already :-)
[22:01] <well_laid_lawn> it's your computer :]
[22:01] <trd> and now i understand why you said it
[22:01] <trd> accidently i was still in usermodus, but then it opens something and doesnt do anything?
[22:03] <trd> which is because null is nothing? plenty to think about. thanks alot!
[22:03] <trd> which place is more fit for this discussion, does anybody know?
[22:09] <trd> ok bye!
[22:55] <Refraxx> Hello James147, I loged into the "test" username,but it only showed a blank screen.
[22:55] <Refraxx> I had to log in as I did before.
[22:56] <James147> Refraxx: try reinstalling "kubuntu-desktop" see if that makes any differnece
[22:57] <Refraxx> You mean from the disc I initally used to install the linux platform?
[22:57] <Refraxx> I mean linux os*
[22:59] <Refraxx> Wait. the kubuntu desktop-would that be in the package manager?
[22:59] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[23:00] <James147> Refraxx: running in a terminal "sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop" will do it
[23:00] <Refraxx> ok. I uninstall it first,but If I do that,will it auto-uninstall support packages as well? Or will I have to track them down & uninstall those as well?
[23:01] <Refraxx> oh
[23:01] <James147> Refraxx: just run the above command
[23:01] <Refraxx> Sorry, I typed befor I read.
[23:01] <Refraxx> working on it now
[23:04] <Refraxx> What is "jakd"?
[23:05] <Refraxx> jackd*
[23:05] <well_laid_lawn> !info jackd
[23:06] <Refraxx> oh, cool
[23:07] <illunatic> does that cover mic input?
[23:07] <Refraxx> ok, it finished. Now I type in "exit"  Right?
[23:07] <Refraxx> Or do I just log in again?
[23:08] <illunatic> oh nvm i see
[23:39] <illunatic> i don't get it... no mic options shown in alsamixer. none shown in kmix... added to alsa-base.conf options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m26
[23:39] <illunatic> arg i have it working on my other installation on same machine
[23:39] <illunatic> i had to add something else after that for mic volume options to show in kmix
[23:40] <well_laid_lawn> illunatic:  in alsamixer did you hit F4 for capture cards?
[23:40] <illunatic> can't remember where that config file is or i'd just copy it
[23:40] <illunatic> yeah
[23:40] <well_laid_lawn> k
[23:40] <illunatic> i have capture, digital and mux
[23:41] <illunatic> to get it working on the other installation, i added two lines to some config file with value set to true
[23:41] <illunatic> can't for the life of me remember them or where they go >_<
[23:41] <illunatic> i copied the /etc/ from the working install over to this one so it's not in there
[23:46] <Refraxx> James147-I dont know what to do. That didnt work either.
[23:46] <James147> Refraxx: on the new user you jsut see a black desktop right?
[23:47] <Refraxx> Well no, not black. Its the default screen. The grey screen with the small sircular lights on it
[23:48] <Refraxx> But thats all there is. No desktop. No dashboard. No bar at the bottom.....Nothing
[23:48] <James147> Refraxx: do you have a panel? does rightclicking on the desktop bring up a emnu?
[23:48] <James147> menu ^^
[23:49] <Refraxx> No since the grey & white checkerboard...I've been trying-to no avail.
[23:49] <James147> Refraxx: Does Alt+F2 bring up krunner? if so alunch konsole
[23:50] <Refraxx> Yes it does. Doing it now
[23:51] <James147> Refraxx: in konsole run "plasma-desktop" if it dosnt start check konsole for any intresting error messages
[23:51] <Refraxx> ok
[23:52] <Refraxx> Does this count?       <unknown program name>(3752)/ checkComposite: Plasma has an argb visual 0x86b9030 96468993
[23:53] <Refraxx> <unknown program name>(3752)/ checkComposite: Plasma is COMPOSITE-less on 0x86af2e8
[23:53] <Refraxx> plasma: Unexpected argument 'desktop'.
[23:53] <Refraxx> plasma: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
[23:53] <Refraxx> Thats all there was.
[23:55] <James147> Refraxx: "plasma-desktop"  not "plasma desktop"  the - is important
[23:56] <Refraxx> oh,.....who made this thing to be so technical?....trying it again.
[23:57] <Refraxx> I dont need to put in the quotations too,do I? It says       bash: plasma-desktop: command not found
[23:58] <James147> Refraxx: no, dont put the quotes
[23:58] <James147> Refraxx: ^^ hmm that seems to suggest you dont have plasma-desktop installed :S
[23:58] <Refraxx> I dont get it. I thought that would work.   Yeah, I left the quotes out.
[23:58] <Refraxx> ok, How do I fix that?
[23:59] <James147> Refraxx: can you pastebin teh output of "aptitude show plasma-desktop"
[23:59] <Refraxx> Pastebin= copy & paste?
[23:59] <James147> !pastebin | Refraxx