[00:00] <mikebeecham> ok knome
[00:00] <mikebeecham> cheers
[00:00] <knome> contributing to ubuntu is possible, but as thorwil said, canonical is putting a lot of money in design, so they'll probably want to use what they pay for ;)
[00:00] <knome> of course, there are open positions now and then...
[00:02] <mikebeecham> sure, I guess if they're pouring money into it then they will want to get thier money's worth
[14:14] <kklimonda> hey, can circle of friends in logo be in any way modified? for example adding a national flag into it?
[14:19] <vish> kklimonda: if its not meant for 'Ubuntu' , but rather for a LoCo , yes..
[14:24] <kklimonda> vish: hmm.. how to distinct one from the other?
[14:25] <kklimonda> vish: by LoCo you mean all sites that are related to our local community and by Ubuntu... sites not related to the community? ;)
[14:26] <kklimonda> vish: so for http://www.dell.com/ubuntu you can't modify logo in any way but in the LoCo case you can.. add some local flavour? :)
[14:26] <kklimonda> vish: do the rest of guidelines are still in effect?
[14:28] <vish> kklimonda: well , does the symbol refer to the Ubuntu OS , then guidelines apply , if not.. we can go crazy as we please ;)
[14:29] <vish> kklimonda: yeah , like the dell example they have to use the Ubuntu logo as prescribed :)
[17:20] <mikebeecham> was thinking about incorporating Ubuntu somehow into my artpiece: http://img683.imageshack.us/f/lostw.png/
[17:20] <darkmatter> vish: thorwil: how does the tip of a paint brush (just the bristles/small part of the handle showing) blending through like, maybe 2 or 3 different colors of paint splatters sound for a new gimp app watermark? in color for the toolbox, greyscale (so its recolorable) in the image windows. instead of googley eyes that have shit to do with image editing/composition
[17:23] <vish> hrm!
[17:23]  * vish tries to comprehend that^
[17:25]  * darkmatter is working on a gimp theme (icons and gtkrc) along with some new defaults, mainly for personal use, but thought I'd drop it off in a few suggestion boxes for kicks
[17:27] <darkmatter> gonna keep the utility windows separate but de-wharf them (they are huge by default after all). turn the toolbox into an actual toolbox (have only the most essential tools shown by default) blah blah
[17:28] <darkmatter> something more beginner friendly and polished feeling
[17:28] <vish> darkmatter: how about first changing the name? :)
[17:28] <darkmatter> I've seen users (mostly clients) almost shit a brick the first time they crack the beast open
[17:28] <darkmatter> vish: that too :P
[17:30] <darkmatter> fun name or elegant name? we could just rebrand it as Pixel Pusher :P
[17:30] <vish> hehe!
[17:31] <darkmatter> fork/branch it in a non retarded way with gimp proper and be nice and friendly and sharing with the gimp devs. you know. since it takes them 10+ years to implement interface bugs and the like :D
[17:32] <darkmatter> still compatible way*
[17:37] <darkmatter> vish: I actual kinda think Pixel Pusher _would_ be fitting (reasoning(s) are obvious enough). but anything is more fitting than The GIMP
[17:38] <vish> yeah , the Double P  !
[17:45] <thorwil> it think it should be renamed into something less plurivalent. like Rubbersuit or Limp :)
[17:46] <thorwil> darkmatter: you could as well dance to describe music. gotta see that
[17:54] <darkmatter> thorwil: bah.
[17:58] <darkmatter> how about a branch/fork name "Inosukliekdad" then? :P
[17:59] <troy_s> thorwil: How goes it thor? Greets to the rest of the droogs.
[18:00] <thorwil> troy_s: heh, excellent timing, as i'm gone for dinner now :)
[18:02] <troy_s> thorwil: It's YOUR timezone
[18:03] <troy_s> thorwil: NOT MINE
[18:03] <troy_s> thorwil: Got it pal?
[18:48] <darkmatter> vish: the actual root of my reasoning is thus. I have some design ideas for a graphics editor and would actually like to test them out (as many as I can at least, some will have to remain conceptual for the time being). the easiest way to do that in a reasonable fashion is to reconfigure an existing app, and the only one flexible enough in terms of ui setting we have is the gimp. that can be either a bane or a boon, depending on how y
[18:49] <darkmatter> I mean. I _could_ just do some .ui files, but you can't actually interact with those
[19:49] <thorwil> troy_s: actually no
[19:51] <troy_s> thorwil: Lol.
[19:51] <troy_s> thorwil: How are things?
[19:52] <thorwil> troy_s: fine. payed project running well, will have some time during the weekend to take on other stuff. and you?
[19:58] <thorwil> nice to have online translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntulife.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F08%2F02%2Fnuevo-logo-para-full-circle%2F&sl=es&tl=en
[20:37] <troy_s> thorwil: That's one of the reasons I use Chrome. It integrates into translate.
[20:37] <troy_s> thorwil: I wish cm would get solved.
[20:38] <thorwil> cm?
[20:38] <troy_s> thorwil: Color management
[20:38] <troy_s> thorwil: Sadly lacking in it currently (in Linux and suffers with various pipeline design mistakes on other platforms)
[20:39] <troy_s> thorwil: What face is that full circle?
[20:39] <troy_s> (5/6)
[20:40] <troy_s> your creation?
[20:41] <thorwil> troy_s: custom, yes. i had to see once again how geometric constructions tend to end up somewhat brutal :)
[20:43] <thorwil> the new Full Circle logo will be based on the middle one on http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/full_circle_magazine_set_03.png
[20:43] <thorwil> ready, but under wraps until then
[20:44] <troy_s> thorwil: Brutal is probably an execution thing. The first e in your samples for example, isn't necessarily brutal or otherwise.
[20:44] <troy_s> thorwil: Which leads me to the idea that it is probably the collection as a whole and less the individual parts. Might have gotten somewhere just focusing on the type...
[20:45] <troy_s> thorwil: The 'safe' choice isn't really an awful one anyways.
[20:45] <troy_s> thorwil: Although that tagline is more of a bookline.
[20:46] <thorwil> i shortened it later on, but don't know if the magazine will follow there
[20:47] <troy_s> thorwil: There is likely a better phrasing that turns it into a proper tag. Two lines is hardly a tagline.
[20:59] <troy_s> thorwil: Have you seen the new alternate wallpaper selections (contest driven rubbish aside - another topic worth looking at)?
[21:00] <thorwil> troy_s: yes. i also saw and still try to forget the new default (hoping it's temporary)
[21:02] <troy_s> thorwil: Oh it's just a 'test' I'm sure ;)
[21:02] <troy_s> thorwil: I'm very impressed with the selection. Whoever did it deserves kudos.
[21:03] <thorwil> troy_s: yes, at least 2 steps up from last time
[21:03] <troy_s> thorwil: It is the most cohesive set I have seen yet in Ubuntu proper. Solid photography and a very well planned mixture of tone / subject.
[21:03] <troy_s> thorwil: Very impressed.
[21:04] <thorwil> though this one would drive me insane on my desktop: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/THbTNrSvERI/AAAAAAAAJaY/4x3nHIE4fTk/s1600-h/Blue_box_number_2_by_orb9220%5B3%5D.jpg
[21:05] <thorwil> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/THbTdUGPaFI/AAAAAAAAJbk/5veZoNIyrl4/s1600-h/Primer_Amanecer_2010_by_letoloke%5B3%5D.jpg  makes me wonder if the bend shouldn't be in the other direction or be eliminated to have a flat line
[21:07] <troy_s> thorwil: Maybe. I find the second rather... meh, but it has a pretty solid purpose in the set.
[21:08] <troy_s> thorwil: I tend to view those as a mise-en-scene - a contextual set.
[21:08] <troy_s> thorwil: And in that light, it has a pretty darn compelling reason to be there. It is a variant on subject _and_ fills a tonal need (to break up the monotony)
[21:08] <troy_s> thorwil: I suppose there is a question 'how to improve the set' which is a cool question to ask.
[21:09] <troy_s> thorwil: Because it isn't an easy answer. Do you try to hint at an overarching thematic (and yeah, the vast bulk of the contribution would be probably hammer-over-head heavy)? Or is there something more clever to play with there?
[21:09] <thorwil> well, one could add race stripes and a spoiler to http://lh6.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/THbTMCUzGGI/AAAAAAAAJaQ/ROgmSmbAzsQ/s1600-h/Aeg_by_Tauno_Erik%5B2%5D.jpg
[21:09] <troy_s> thorwil: It would be a lovely thing to actually _discuss_ with a group of clever minds really.
[21:09] <troy_s> LOL
[21:09] <troy_s> thorwil: He's cute enough without racing stripes.
[21:10] <troy_s> thorwil: It's a great set. I applaud whoever issued the selections.
[21:10] <troy_s> thorwil: No complaints there. The default wallpaper on the other hand...
[21:10] <thorwil> i have to make such a comment right before you mention "to actually discuss" and "group of clever minds"!
[21:11] <troy_s> thorwil: Nothing short of a monumental misstep and ridiculous design context. I can't exactly fault someone for sad execution as there isn't anything being executed. Well... maybe the person that uttered the mandate to deliver that piece of work.
[21:11] <troy_s> lol
[21:14] <thorwil> good night! :)