[00:13] <zkriesse> Hello may I request a K-Line on a user/troll?
[00:14] <rww> zkriesse: try #freenode
[00:14] <zkriesse> The channel is in the Ubuntu Namespace
[00:14] <rww> zkriesse: K-Lines are a network thing, not a namespace one.
[00:15] <zkriesse> rww: True I was told to ask here though by a freenode staff member
[00:15] <rww> o.O
[00:15] <marienz> not for a kline though
[00:15] <m4v> he probably meant to get a op to look around
[00:15] <marienz> zkriesse: why were you asking for a kline specifically?
[00:16] <zkriesse> User came into #ubuntu-youth, quit, rejoined with a different IP, quit again, rejoined and repeated the process multiple times
[00:17] <zkriesse> When asked about it he did it again, after a ban he re-joined with a different IP and complained rather rudely and then left
[00:21] <zkriesse> ?
[00:21] <m4v> I don't think klines aren't going to be any more effective, did you try quieting him and talk him out of it?
[00:21] <rww> or ban based on ident or nick
[00:22] <m4v> quiets are good, sometimes trolls don't realice they are being silenced
[00:23] <zkriesse> It's a moderated channel so voice was removed and then we tried to speak to him yes
[00:23] <zkriesse> His ident and nick were both banned as well but due to him changing his IP constantly it's a pain
[00:23] <rww> removing voice isn't particularly useful when you have *!*@* +V set :\
[00:24] <rww> although I guess most people wouldn't know about /msg chanserv voice
[00:24] <zkriesse> Ok then....we'll deal with it ourselves
[00:24] <zkriesse> rww: Ah +v is required for a voice command
[00:25] <marienz> if you need help dealing with him feel free to prod staff, but the help may not come in the form of a kline
[00:25] <marienz> rww: the problem with +V-ing *!*@* isn't so much the voice command as it is them /cycle-ing the channel
[00:26] <zkriesse> Ok we'll manage
[00:26] <rww> zkriesse: considering that I got +v in there yes... alrighty then.
[00:26] <rww> marienz: that too
[00:27] <marienz> that was a little odd
[00:27] <rww> not a huge fan of the way #ubuntu-youth is set up, but they don't seem amenable to suggestions.
[00:29] <rww> setting +m and autovoicing people basically gains you nothing and removes +m as a tool for dealing with attacks, as I understand it.
[00:29] <marienz> correct
[00:29] <marienz> it also means you cannot +q users
[00:29] <m4v> yeah, +m and autovoice everyone aren't nice
[00:29] <m4v> isn't
[00:29] <marienz> (removing voice isn't equivalent to +q since they can just /cycle to regain voice)
[00:30] <marienz> so yeah, we discourage this mode, I really don't understand why people keep doing it
[00:30] <marienz> about the only advantage I can think of is if your ops find removing voice easier than +q-ing and the people whose voice is removed don't just /cycle for some reason
[00:30] <m4v> for tease people by removing his voice :P
[00:30] <k1l> +q and +z is very powerfull. most kiddies dont realize that they were muted
[00:31] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-irc, k1l said: +q and +z is very powerfull. most kiddies dont realize that they were muted
[00:31] <marienz> yes, k1l did indeed say that.
[00:31] <m4v> haha
[00:31] <k1l> thx to the bot :)
[00:31] <rww> it thought you were making a factoid suggestion. + is ubot4's !.
[00:33] <rww> Does +V imply +v? What I was about to say before zkriesse left is that I have /msg nickserv set noop turned on, and thus don't automatically get voiced, and am pretty sure I used /msg chanserv voice to voice myself in there yesterday.
[00:34] <rww> though it's possible that someone else voiced me and I missed the notice from Chanserv about it, I guess.
[00:35] <m4v> i think it doesn't imply +v
[00:38] <rww> I just tested it. Looks like it does.
[00:42] <rww> (and it's not special casing for noop users, because I tried it with an unregistered user)
[21:35] <Muscovy> Hello, I'm a member of #ubuntu-tour. Is it possible for us to get a log bot?
[21:39] <rww> Muscovy: logging for non-LoCo channels is done by ubuntulog, which is controlled by Canonical. Email rt at ubuntu dot com.
[21:43] <Muscovy> Ok, thank you.
[23:07] <niko> could i ask a ubuntu GC to restore my ubuntu.member cloak part :)
[23:07] <niko> https://launchpad.net/~nicolascoevoet
[23:09] <Pici> niko: Can I ask you to change it yourself, or do I need to find a different staffer?
[23:10] <niko> a different staffer please
[23:10] <Pici> niko: Do you know if theres a particular one around, or do I need to go hunting for one.
[23:11] <niko> let's me try :)
[23:13] <marienz> freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko, right?
[23:13] <niko> yes, please
[23:13] <marienz> hmm, actually, see the other channel
[23:14] <Pici> marienz: If you need a GC to okay it: Its fine with me.