[00:05] <fta> iirc, chromium uses xdg-settings get default-web-browser
[00:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you think we should update firefox-3.5 in jaunty?
[00:53] <micahg> or did we replace that, I can never remember
[00:53] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we didn't replace it. i've got the update ready, but just waiting for xul1.9.1 to finish building on armel
[00:54] <micahg> ah, ok, looks like we can keep supporting it until EOL of Jaunty (2 months \0/)
[15:52] <lfaraone> micahg: would I need trademark approval from Mozilla to ship Firefox.activity in Sugar? It's just with a custom homepage (the Sugar default) and an ext to intergrete the download manager with the Journal.
[15:52] <lfaraone> http://wiki.laptop.org/images/b/bf/Firefox.png <--- the browser.
[16:24] <gnomefreak> looking at the mozilla-team blueprints i see that we are keeping instantbird but we never had it to keep
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, what do you mean?
[16:25] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: you added to keep instantbird to the blueprint
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, i made a note that we decided to keep it in the archive
[16:26] <gnomefreak> one minute
[16:26] <gnomefreak> +  * instantbird - This is cool, so we keep
[16:26] <gnomefreak> it is listed under parole
[16:27] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: that would be great if it was in archive to start with
[16:27] <gnomefreak> its not in ubuntu archives
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, it is in the archive
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> it's been there for several weeks now ;)
[16:27] <gnomefreak> !info instantbird
[16:27] <ubot2> gnomefreak: Package instantbird does not exist in lucid
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> i've even been upoading fixes for it
[16:28] <gnomefreak> !info instantbird maverick
[16:28] <ubot2> gnomefreak: Package instantbird does not exist in maverick
[16:28] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: what archive. search finds nothing as well
[16:28]  * gnomefreak confused
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> it's definately there
[16:29] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: is the name instantbird? or something else
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> yep, it's instantbird
[16:29] <gnomefreak> i have been wanting to try it but it never was uploaded
[16:29] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ search instantbird
[16:29] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> it was sync'd from debian and then we've uplaoded several ubuntu-specific build fixes for it too
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/instantbird
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> rmadison -u ubuntu instantbird ;)
[16:31] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: any chance you can push to a PPA so i have access to it until i upgrade this box
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak - that's not something i've got time to do atm unfortunately
[16:32] <gnomefreak> thats fine
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> i suspect that the maverick build will just run on lucid though ;)
[16:32]  * gnomefreak can always rebuild it for lucid PPA
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> it's built on the same gecko version
[16:33] <gnomefreak> tell me this didnt replace chatzilla or even runs in browser at all
[16:33]  * gnomefreak thinking it was a stand alone app 
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, it's unrelated to chatzilla
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> but it is a standalone app
[16:34] <gnomefreak> but if it is depending on gecko/xul
[16:34] <gnomefreak> ok so its not even like chatzilla
[16:34] <gnomefreak> good
[16:35] <gnomefreak> grabbing it
[16:35] <gnomefreak> thanks
[17:11] <micahg> lfaraone: I don't know, asac or chrisccoulson might be better suited to answer
[17:12] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure i'd feel comfortable with answering that question either
[17:12] <gnomefreak> no yelling at me.
[17:12] <gnomefreak> :\
[17:14] <lfaraone> micahg: I see.
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> heh, archive rebuild test next week
[17:16] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, that's one problem with instantbird is that it uses its own copy of libpurple
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> that will mean no PPA's i guess ;)
[17:16] <micahg> ugh
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> was just following the RT meeting ;)
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, i didn't realise it was using it's own copy of libpurple. debian are usually pretty strict with that sort of thing
[17:19] <micahg> debian 569946
[17:19] <ubot2> Debian bug 569946 in instantbird "Blocker bug to keep instantbird out of testing until it uses the standard copy of libpurple" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/569946
[17:19] <micahg> that's why it won't be in squeeze :)
[17:19] <chrisccoulson> ah
[17:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I assume you're waiting on xulrunner uploads on the nspr outcome
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i just opened the changelog entries though to save me time later
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we've got a freeze exception from the release team for 3.6.9 too
[17:20] <micahg> that's good :)
[17:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: that is consistant for 1 or both of my bugs?
[17:21] <micahg> but that doesn't mean we should use it necessarily
[17:21] <micahg> gnomefreak: ?
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128 asked me if i could fix the crashreporting bug before beta, and i said that there wouldn't be much point unless we uploaded 3.6.9
[17:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: i filed 2 bugs one on font and one on chat rooms
[17:22] <micahg> gnomefreak: I saw, but bugsquad's initial response should be can you test in a maverick VM to see if it happens there :)
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> micahg - have you been testing 3.6.9 yet?
[17:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, seems ok
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, and there aren't any new blockers yet since it was pushed out to the beta channel yesterday
[17:22] <micahg> but I don't use common sites like facebook and what not where there were regressions early in the cycle
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> i use facebook
[17:23]  * chrisccoulson hangs head in shame
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> i didn't just admit to that really
[17:23] <micahg> chrisccoulson: at least one of us can test then ;)
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:24]  * gnomefreak has a facebook account that i rarely use if i have ever used it
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> i try to be cool sometimes ;)
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> i've never played farmville though
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> i'm happy to say ;)
[17:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: I'll test your instantbird issues when I upgrade to maverick next week
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> i know what we need for instantbird....
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> ....messaging indicator support!
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> :)
[17:32] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok ikm running it on Lucid atm
[17:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if we make it an extension, we can use it in both :)
[17:32] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, but I won't fix it if it's not broke in maverick :)
[17:33] <gnomefreak> k
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah. i spoke to the guy who wrote the existing thunderbird extension this week
[17:33] <gnomefreak> it _should_ be the same
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> he's pretty keen to get it in to ubuntu
[17:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: only if you do a rebuild :)
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> i don't see any reason why we couldn't make it work for all mozilla apps that deal with messaging ;)
[17:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: exactly :)
[17:34] <gnomefreak> thats easy enough but at least it works. let me know about maverick and if i have to ill rebuild for lucid and test it
[17:36] <gnomefreak> and links dont work it in damn
[17:38] <micahg> gnomefreak: I can push a backport to my backports PPA if you like
[17:38] <gnomefreak> micahg: i remember why i couldnt add ingnoreabi to /xorg.conf. i am unablet o have that file i have to remove it to get any kind of UI
[17:38] <micahg> gnomefreak: yeah, xorg.conf is gone by default
[17:38] <gnomefreak> micahg: that works for me.
[17:44] <gnomefreak> if i add the file i get no UI and adding ingoreabi fails to help it drops me into TTY for some damn reason, but if i get everything backed up i will upgrade this box
[17:45] <gnomefreak> maybe next week sometime
[18:13] <fta> anyone using an irc bouncer here? i'm sick of my disconnections
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> hi fta
[18:15] <fta> chrisccoulson, hi
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> i saw in one of the other channels that there might be an archive rebuild test next week
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> just thought i'd let you know ;)
[18:15] <fta> oh my
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> that will mean long queues for PPA's again
[18:18] <fta> i'm looking for an irc bouncer/bnc/proxy, any idea? something that resends me what i missed during disconnections
[18:19] <fta> ~15y ago, i had one, but i don't remember what it was
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure, i don't use one
[18:20] <fta> !info znc
[18:21] <fta> uh?
[18:21] <ubot2> fta: znc (source: znc): an advanced IRC bouncer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.078-1 (lucid), package size 863 kB, installed size 2292 kB
[18:21] <fta> !info psybnc
[18:21] <ubot2> fta: Package psybnc does not exist in lucid
[18:21] <fta> bouhh
[18:22] <fta> !info miau
[18:22] <ubot2> fta: Package miau does not exist in lucid
[18:26] <fta_> grr
[18:30] <micahg> fta: quassel has a client/server(proxy) option
[18:30] <fta> !info quassel
[18:30] <ubot2> fta: quassel (source: quassel): KDE/Qt-based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 757 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[18:31] <micahg> bbiab
[18:31] <fta> no, i already have a client (xchat), i want a bnc that i can run (most probably over ssh) on one of my server
[18:31] <fta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNC_(software)
[18:31] <micahg> !info sbnc
[18:31] <ubot2> micahg: sbnc (source: sbnc): an IRC proxy for multiple users. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-17 (lucid), package size 237 kB, installed size 784 kB
[18:31] <micahg> bye :)
[18:33] <fta> !info ezbounce
[18:33] <ubot2> fta: Package ezbounce does not exist in lucid
[21:18] <fta> jdstrand, mdeslaur: could we rush for chromium 5.0.375.127 in lucid? i foresee another hot security update in less than a week
[21:23] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: ^ are we waiting for gyp to make it to -updates before we can build chromium for -proposed?
[21:23] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: or can we just pocket-copy chromium-browser now?
[21:34] <fta> i see 13 security fixes for the next one, but i seems it will be v6, hence, it will need the new ffmpeg codecs too
[21:34] <fta> -i+it
[21:36] <mdeslaur> fta: ouch
[21:37] <fta> mdeslaur, yeah, but i prefer to land more releases with fixes rather than live with those vulnerabilities
[21:40] <mdeslaur> fta: definitely
[21:42] <mdeslaur> fta: oh, ffmpeg has it's own chromium package...cool...I thought it was the system ffmpeg
[21:42] <fta> yep
[21:55] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: I have gyp in the ubuntu-security-proposed
[21:57] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: meh
[21:58] <jdstrand> what is in -proposed was built with -updates
[21:59] <mdeslaur> d'oh
[21:59] <jdstrand> looking at the build log, we should be ok to copy it to -security when it is time
[21:59] <jdstrand> the same version is in -proposed and ubuntu-security-proposed :(
[21:59] <jdstrand> I think I am going to just pocket copy chromium
[21:59] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: how did it get built with -updates, wasn't it pocket-copied from the one in ubuntu-security-proposed?
[22:00] <jdstrand> I don't think so-- was it?
[22:00]  * jdstrand goes to see
[22:00] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: oh, I thought you had did it :)
[22:00] <jdstrand> no
[22:00] <jdstrand> I think it was just uploaded
[22:01] <jdstrand> alright, I'll copy chromium, then rebuild gyp and copy it to -proposed to be safe
[22:01] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: sounds good
[22:02] <mdeslaur> fta: if we update any other dependencies like that in the future, we need to build them in the security PPA so we can copy it to -security, and not just -updates
[22:02] <fta> k
[22:03] <mdeslaur> fta: it's a little complicated for security updates as some people only use the -security repository for stability reasons
[22:08] <jdstrand> fta, mdeslaur: copied
[22:08] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: thanks!
[22:19] <jdstrand> fta, mdeslaur: uploaded ubuntu2 for gyp to ubuntu-security-proposed
[22:28] <[reed]> how do I figure out the status of bug 554099 making it's way to lucid?
[22:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 554099 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 9 other projects) "Qualcomm Gobi 2000 3G (gobi_loader/qcserial) broken (affects: 56) (dups: 4) (heat: 341)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554099
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> i just installed appmenu-gtk, and i can't even run FF4 with it installed now!
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> it crashes even before the window opens
[22:40] <[reed]> chrisccoulson: how do I figure out the status of bug 554099 making it's way to lucid?
[22:40] <[reed]> :)
[22:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 554099 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 9 other projects) "Qualcomm Gobi 2000 3G (gobi_loader/qcserial) broken (affects: 56) (dups: 4) (heat: 341)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/554099
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> [reed] - the status of the lucid task for linux-backports-modules would suggest it's already in lucid-proposed for testing
[22:42] <chrisccoulson> (although i'm not particularly familiar with how the kernel team works)
[22:42] <[reed]> chrisccoulson: yeah, that's what I thought, too, but if I pull lucid-proposed, I don't see linux-backports-modules-wwan-lucid-generic
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> oh, the status has a different meaning to every other team it seems
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/554099/comments/115
[22:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 554099 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 9 other projects) "Qualcomm Gobi 2000 3G (gobi_loader/qcserial) broken (affects: 56) (dups: 4) (heat: 341)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. it's actually sat in the queue now
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> it just needs approving by someone on the SRU team
[22:43] <[reed]> which queue
[22:44] <[reed]> how can I get the packages to install myself for now?
[22:44] <[reed]> jdstrand: aren't you on the SRU team? :p
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> [reed] - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[22:44] <chrisccoulson> although you can only access the source packages there
[22:45] <chrisccoulson> they don't get built until they've been approved
[22:45] <[reed]> ah
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's a public holiday here on monday
[23:02] <chrisccoulson> so i won't be working again until tuesday next week
[23:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll watch for regressions/new builds on FF3.6.9 and take appropriate action, thanks for the heads up
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[23:03] <micahg> chrisccoulson: enjoy your day off :)
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> i need to get someone to approve ff3.6.9 actually. i'd like to see it built and published before i get up in the morning
[23:03] <micahg> hopefully I'll have the xul192 nspr issue solved by tuesday
[23:04] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[23:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, if it's not built by Sat night, I'll try to get someone to push it through
[23:05] <micahg> I'm about to take off as well, ttyl
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> ok, no problem
[23:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if I get the issue solved, is it worth me trying to find someone to push up the builds for Thunderbird/xulrunner-1.9.2 or can it wait till you get back tuesday?
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> i'll speak to you on tuesday (although i might pop online occasionally at the weekend)
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> tuesday will probably be a bit late to do any more builds, so those will likely have to wait until after beta
[23:07] <[reed]> chrisccoulson: what holiday is Monday?
[23:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: even in the security PPA?
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> [reed] - it's just a public holiday here in the UK
[23:07] <chrisccoulson> it's the "summer" bank holiday, although it doesn't feel much like summer ;)
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> micahg, oh, yeah, we can get them in to the security PPA
[23:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that's what I'm wondering, should I get one of the security people to push to the security PPA or wait till you get back tuesday
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind. i suppose it can probably wait until tuesday
[23:08] <[reed]> ah
[23:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, thanks
[23:18] <fta> mdeslaur, also, for ffmpeg 0.6, we need libvpx.. NEW in lucid :0
[23:44] <[reed]> GAH
[23:44] <[reed]> I added ppa:kernel-ppa/pre-proposed
[23:44] <[reed]> and apparently, those packages aren't compatible with each other
[23:44] <[reed]> site
[23:44] <[reed]> sigh
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> [reed] -you could try asking in #ubuntu-kernel
[23:47] <chrisccoulson> although, i suspect a lot of them might be sleeping now though
[23:57] <[reed]> yeah
[23:57] <[reed]> I guess I'll build my kernel the hard way :)
[23:58] <chrisccoulson> heh, i've not done that for a while ;)