[02:47] <bazhang> sure he knows
[02:50] <IdleOne> he also knows how to use the bot
[02:50] <IdleOne> or did he forget that he asked for lubottu to be rejoined to -sa
[02:51] <bazhang> I helped him set up a channel. he certainly knows
[02:52] <IdleOne> WinstonSmith: can we help you?
[02:52] <S4ry> Hey
[02:52] <IdleOne> S4ry: gimme a moment please
[02:52] <S4ry> 'Sup
[02:52] <S4ry> Tyt
[02:52] <WinstonSmith> ups no sry :|
[02:54] <IdleOne> S4ry: I would like to know why you are asking what the arabic channel is if you already know. I also would like to know why you told me to chill and why you seemed to be mouthing off to bazhang when you told him you were chatting in #ubuntu
[02:54] <IdleOne> you know the rules of #ubuntu
[02:54] <IdleOne> I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish
[02:55] <IdleOne> Could you please explain?
[02:55] <S4ry> IdleOne, I never once know about #ubuntu-arabic
[02:55] <S4ry> So , you people assumed that i did
[02:56] <S4ry> thats way i said IdleOne Chill
[02:56] <S4ry> Simple , you're though was wrong
[02:56] <IdleOne> S4ry: ok I will take your word that you did not know about #ubuntu-arabic but your attitude towards me and bazhang seemed combative
[02:56] <IdleOne> very not Ubuntu
[02:56] <bazhang> S4ry, what channel did I help you set up
[02:57] <S4ry> bazhang, that was ubuntu-sa
[02:57] <S4ry> I was asking about a General Support channel
[02:57] <S4ry> ubuntu-sa is my loco team channel
[02:58] <bazhang> S4ry, okay. just fyi: #ubuntu is for support only.
[02:58] <IdleOne> S4ry: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist this list will help you.
[02:58] <S4ry> bazhang, i know
[02:58] <maco> generally, regional loco channels DO provide support for users of their local language
[02:59] <S4ry> guest what guys  .. i never even knew about the ubuntu-offtopic
[02:59] <persia> (although there are also a number of language-specific support channels that span geography)
[02:59] <S4ry> thanks IdleOne
[02:59] <bazhang> S4ry, great. now you do
[02:59] <S4ry> bazhang, :)
[02:59] <S4ry> bazhang, do i still have that 2 chance !
[03:00] <bazhang> S4ry, what?
[03:00] <S4ry> maco, you mean i can join ubuntu-Kuwait or Egy
[03:01] <maco> if i wanted help with ubuntu in japanese, i would join the japanese loco's channel even though i'm in the US, for example
[03:01] <maco> persia will now laugh because he knows how rusty my japanese is
[03:02] <bazhang> heh
[03:02] <S4ry> Mmm
[03:02] <IdleOne> S4ry: I understand ilovefairuz is explaining to you the differences between #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic. I apologize if I caused any confusion.
[03:02] <IdleOne> S4ry: it is important that we follow channel rules and I just wanted you to understand them so we don't have problems in the future
[03:03]  * persia laughs more at the assumption of laughter than at the language skills
[03:04] <S4ry> Well , i remember once on ubuntu-sa a person joined , Right .. then one of the founder asked if he is a member ? and if he is no he should leave according to Ubuntu rule or something
[03:04] <persia> That's the sort of thing we like to see reported to #ubuntu-irc
[03:05] <bazhang> and nothing to do with the discussion at hand
[03:05] <IdleOne> S4ry: all Ubuntu irc channels should be accepting of every user. All users who join loco channels should learn the channel rules and follow them but membership should not be a requirement to be in a channel
[03:05] <S4ry> IdleOne, It's Alright :) , and i really appreciate it your attention
[03:06] <S4ry> IdleOne, noted
[03:06] <ilovefairuz> S4ry: You don't have to be a "member" of any thing to ask questions or help people on #ubuntu لا يتطلب منك ان تكون عضو لكى تسأل او تساعد أحد على
[03:07] <IdleOne> S4ry: Anyway now you have the list of ubuntu channels and you are welcome to ask for help and give help in #ubuntu. Please remember to be polite all the time.
[03:07] <IdleOne> social chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:07] <IdleOne> :)
[03:07] <ilovefairuz> S4ry: and when you're given advice, it's usually for the good of everyone around, there are no ill intentions ولا يمقدم لك احد النصيحة الا بغرض الاستفاد للجميع، بلا نوايا سيئة
[03:08] <bazhang> ilovefairuz, mind taking this to PM with S4ry ?
[03:08] <S4ry> Thanks a bunch IdleOne :) .. excuse me if was out a line or my tone was seemed to be ..
[03:08] <IdleOne> no worries and thank you for understanding
[03:09] <IdleOne> ilovefairuz: thanks for providing some translation :)
[03:09] <ilovefairuz> bazhang: i actually was but I thought I'd bring it here to save repetition for anyone involved :)
[03:09] <bazhang> not really an issue for here imo
[03:10] <IdleOne> ok now both of you get out :)
[03:10] <IdleOne> heh
[03:10] <ilovefairuz> lol cheers
[03:10] <S4ry> :D
[03:10] <S4ry> Thanks again Y'all
[03:10] <S4ry> See ya
[03:11] <IdleOne> later
[03:11] <S4ry> :)
[03:30] <bazhang> anyone checking wombatguy in -ot?
[03:40] <funkyHat> bazhang: what did he say that was off?
 and a funnel and some duct tape
[03:41] <bazhang> after atomic spark said : I need a beer and a woman
[03:41] <IdleOne> just sounded icky
[03:41] <IdleOne> and not right
[03:42] <funkyHat> Oh, I missed AtomicSpark's comments so I didn't make any sense of it :/
[04:10] <WinstonSmith> excuse me is it possible to give a suggestion to corrct
[04:10] <WinstonSmith> correct* the bot-help for portuguese?
[04:10] <WinstonSmith> eg !pt
[04:11] <WinstonSmith> or am i in the wrong channel?
[04:11] <persia> You can give a suggestion here, although they are typically given in #ubuntu-irc
[04:11] <WinstonSmith> ok !pt
[04:11] <WinstonSmith> !pt
[04:12] <WinstonSmith> Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa,faça "/join #ubuntu-pt". (sem as aspas) Obrigado
[04:13] <WinstonSmith> i just noticed that it didnt have the join command in it so for a newbie its not really helpful
[04:13] <WinstonSmith> ok thanx ppl keep up the good work & have a nice day
[04:14]  * persia would probably add another space between portuguêsa, and faça
[04:15] <persia> Also, is 'faça "..." ' typical usage to ask to run a command?
[04:15]  * persia has more portuguese vocabulary than either grammar or usage
[04:16] <WinstonSmith> yes right space is missing and the verb fazer is to do
[04:16] <persia> Right.  Just unsure of the idiom.
[04:17] <WinstonSmith> im german myself persia but ive lived in pt for 25 years so grammar is ok ;)
[04:17] <persia> So wanted to make sure it was a polite and common way to tell folks to execute commands.  Compare to e.g. ... o tipo de
[04:17] <persia> I believe you :)  Just wanted to double-confirm.
[04:18] <WinstonSmith> you could add por favor faça eg please do
[04:18]  * persia can't change it, but belives folks who can will read this in backscroll.
[04:18] <persia> "por favor faça" sounds better to me :)
[04:19] <bazhang> WinstonSmith, care to suggest an edit?
[04:19] <WinstonSmith> ok i hope they do cause i just had somebody coming into #ubuntu asking for help i did the !pt thing and he/she started to type just #ubuntu-br to no avail of course
[04:19] <bazhang> ie !factoid is <reply> etc etc etc etc
[04:20] <WinstonSmith> bazhang, could you tell me how to do that
[04:20] <bazhang> I just did
[04:20] <WinstonSmith> ok sry was typing :|
[04:20] <bazhang> hehe
[04:21] <WinstonSmith> so i do !pt is blabla?
[04:21] <WinstonSmith> or give me a link to read up...love manuals
[04:22] <persia> Yes.  Precisely that.
[04:22] <bazhang> !usage
[04:22] <bazhang> last link WinstonSmith
[04:23] <WinstonSmith> ok cheers can i suggest that on #ubuntu too so ill stop cluttering your channel?
[04:23] <bazhang> WinstonSmith, best in /msg with ubottu
[04:23] <WinstonSmith> ok will do you keep up the good work ;)
[04:23] <WinstonSmith> cya
[04:23] <bazhang> it'll then be forwarded here
[04:34] <IdleOne> looks good to me
[04:39] <persia> !pt is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em brasileiro. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado.
[04:39] <persia> But that just feels better to me: I could be mistaken.
[04:44] <bazhang> !no pt is <reply> Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em brasileiro. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado.
[04:44] <bazhang> !pt
[04:45] <bazhang> okay?
[04:47] <persia> Looks good to me.
[06:55] <IdleOne> TELL0 has quit (Quit: sudo rm ~/) already set a forward to here
[06:58] <funkyHat> IdleOne: you sould remove your ban where you missed the *, banlist will fill up!
[06:59] <IdleOne> will do
[07:10] <Xavierdarkness> I'm banned from #ubuntu?
[07:11] <Flannel> Xavierdarkness: you're forwarded here from #ubuntu
[07:11] <Xavierdarkness> Yes
[07:11] <Xavierdarkness> Then it says I'm banned
[07:12] <Flannel> Xavierdarkness: Sure, you're banned from #ubuntu.  It's semantics, and not terribly important.
[07:12] <Flannel> Xavierdarkness: Do you have any idea why you might be banned?
[07:12] <Xavierdarkness> Not really, I never said a word in there.
[07:12] <Flannel> Xavierdarkness: Your part message: su mount -o,rw /system rm -rf /
[07:13] <Xavierdarkness> Oh. Crap
[07:13] <Xavierdarkness> That I changed that...
[07:13] <Xavierdarkness> Thought*
[07:13] <Flannel> Xavierdarkness: We'd obviously appreciate it if you did :)
[07:14] <Xavierdarkness> It was meant as a joke for Droid Users. Seeing as that command would just annoy us. It's fixable for us. Sorry about that.
[07:15] <Flannel> Xavierdarkness: Sure.  Please be more careful in the future.  I've removed your forward.
[07:15] <Xavierdarkness> K, it's "Droid" now.
[07:27] <bazhang> TELL0, how may we help you
[07:30] <TELL0> I wanna replace gnome-panel with AWN, but keeping the shortcuts for Run Application (Alt+F2), gnome menu and Ctrl+Alt+Del
[07:32] <bazhang> TELL0, this is not a support channel; you've been forwarded here due to your quit message. Please change it.
[07:32] <TELL0> wich one?
[07:32] <TELL0> what message?
[07:32] <bazhang> TELL0, the one when you quit
[07:34] <bazhang> IdleOne, that bilgates spamming earlier? that was prabinmetals ban dodging again
[07:34] <IdleOne> bazhang: I'm not sure
[07:34] <TELL0> how can I go to #ubuntu?
[07:34] <bazhang> IdleOne, yep it matches in the bt
[07:35] <bazhang> his 2nd or 3rd time
[07:35] <bazhang> emma, how may we help you
[07:36] <TELL0> I wanna go to #ubuntu channel
[07:36] <bazhang> have to craft a better ban for that IP to catch him
[07:37] <IdleOne> TELL0: you can rejoin. Please make sure not to use any harmful commands as quit messages
[07:37] <TELL0> thank you
[07:38] <bazhang> Bilgates!~prabinmet@151.82.104.214 webdesigner!~prabinmet@151.82.39.170 bhatmas!~prabinmet@151.81.141.31
[07:38] <bazhang> tell0 is still banned in -ot
[07:38] <jussi> emma: is there something we can help you with today?
[07:39] <bazhang> perhaps @151.82.*
[07:39] <elky> nah, the last in your list is 81
[07:47] <IdleOne> emma: Did you want to discuss that situation in here?
[07:47] <IdleOne> if not that is fine.
[07:47] <bazhang> elky, right. tough one then
[07:48] <Flannel> Just ban 82 and 81, 2 is better than 256!
[07:48] <IdleOne> emma: ok I'll assume you don't want to talk here. I am going to ask that you part the channel please.
[07:49] <elky> Flannel, except we don't know if the next one he'll come back on will be 83 or 92
[07:52] <emma> Is there anything else that I can help you with?
[07:53] <bazhang> emma, did you need something here?
[07:53] <emma> No. I was assisting you.
[07:54] <emma> Is there anything else you might need?
[07:54] <bazhang> if there is nothing you need help with, please part the channel
[07:54] <IdleOne> emma: not at this time
[07:55] <IdleOne> thank you for your help.
[07:55] <emma> If there is nothing else you need help with, I"m going to have to ask you to excuse me because there are certain channels I do not allow to idle in my client.
[07:55] <bazhang> ?
[07:55] <persia> Have a good day emma.
[07:55] <emma> \o
[07:56] <bazhang> any clue what that was about?
[07:56] <IdleOne> yes
[07:56] <persia> She generally tries to be helpful, especially with folks new to Ubuntu, or those who feel put-upon.
[07:56] <IdleOne> http://pastebin.ca/GKE-nGQh
[07:56] <IdleOne> msg me for pass
[07:56] <bazhang> no thanks
[08:02] <elky> persia, it's not all bunnies and rainbows.
[08:03] <elky> The merry band of followers could do with accepting that the Code of Conduct is an essential part of Ubuntu rather than rebelling against its existence.
[08:04] <persia> Yeah, but the excessive helpfulness seemed to be the explanation for the join, apparent confusion, and departure, rather than the rest of the Club Ubuntu bits.
[08:05] <elky> Nah, I'd say xavierdarkness or droid|droid are in the merry band,.
[08:05] <elky> or, if not before, are now.
[08:49] <bazhang> ylmf os seems to have #ubuntu as the default irc site
[08:52] <persia> Easy enough to do if one fails to take sufficient care with branding.
[08:52] <bazhang> ubuntu in Chinese, made to look like xp
[08:53] <persia> Might be worth trying to create one shared master source of information about the default, and have all the clients depend on that, so that it7s changed in one place (making it easy for downstream)
[10:51] <ikonia> hello kron|k
[10:56] <ikonia> off to the gym please keep an eye out for ranjan ban dodging and goat-re was kicked as chipped_cpu earlier
[10:56] <ikonia> kron|k: if you don't need anything please check the topic of the channel
[10:56] <ikonia> !idle | kron|k
[11:07] <bazhang> kron|k, you've been ban forwarded here
[11:07] <bazhang> #ubuntu: 2010-08-27T05:56:08 <kron|k> su mount -o, rw /system rm -rf /
[11:51] <Mamarok> bazhang: he is still here...
[11:56] <bazhang> !idle | kron|k
[12:20] <Seeker`> hmm
[12:20] <Seeker`> weren't all ops going to get ops in here?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> what do you mean? we dont op automaticly
[12:21] <gnomefreak> we do voice
[12:21] <Seeker`> I mean the ability to set mode +o on yourself in here
[12:21] <Mamarok> I am not an op here
[12:22] <gnomefreak> i think i am
[12:22]  * persia wouldn't want to be
[12:22] <Seeker`> Yes, I thoght at one point it was decided that all ops would gain that ability
[12:22] <gnomefreak> oh i see what you mean now
[12:22] <persia> I suspect any op who wants it can get it, but given that it's all ops here, there's not usually much point.
[12:23] <Seeker`> persia: there are occasions where it is only a couple of ops and a bad troll active in here
[12:23] <Mamarok> persia: well, the point would be that we could all kick idlers
[12:23] <gnomefreak> why would everyone need to be, we dont really need to be an op in here that often
[12:23] <Seeker`> and none of them have the ability to op up in here
[12:23] <Mamarok> or trolls, indeed
[12:23] <persia> Most leave when asked, for fear of repurcussions in other channels.
[12:24] <Seeker`> gnomefreak: what harm does it do giving +o powers to all of the ops in here?
[12:24] <Mamarok> but we have an op call in here as well, so setting all ops as admins is not really necessary
[12:24] <persia> And it's rare that anyone needs to op.
[12:24] <Seeker`> daytime UTC isn't too bad
[12:25] <Seeker`> its morning australia time that is a pain
[12:25] <gnomefreak> my point has been made and i didnt have to answer :)
[12:25] <persia> I think that if we discover a $time_of_day with no regular ops, it makes sense to force one of the folks usually around then to be granted that, but otherwise...
[12:25] <Seeker`> just don't think it makes sense to have to rely on a limited list of people being here
[12:26] <gnomefreak> this should be brought up to the IRCC if it is that important to you
[12:26] <persia> isn't elky usually about then?  Or mneptok?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> i used to see elky in the morning here
[12:26] <Seeker`> when, in theory, all ops should be able to be trusted to have some common sense with +o
[12:26] <Seeker`> elky works
[12:27] <persia> Seeker`, If *you* want +o in here, ask the IRCC.  Don't force it on the rest of us :)
[12:27] <Seeker`> persia: its not a power you *have* to use :P
[12:27] <gnomefreak> seeker what channels are you +o in?
[12:27] <Seeker`> #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-uk last time I checked
[12:28] <gnomefreak> k yeah bring it up to IRCC but i guess i am missing the importance of it
[12:28] <Seeker`> its not life and death or anything :P
[12:28] <gnomefreak> that would be like saying "i should be +o in all #u channels"
[12:29] <Seeker`> hardly
[12:29]  * gnomefreak would have thought +o in +1 would make more sense but please bring it up to IRCC they will decide
[12:30] <Seeker`> almost nothing happens in +1
[12:30] <gnomefreak> 1 last thing, i wouldnt use the excuse that there are times when no op in around
[12:31] <Seeker`> I have been here on several occasions where there was a persistent troll, and noone capable of +o in here
[12:32] <Tm_T> I've seen several times noone being active at all when there's been persistent troll...
[12:32] <gnomefreak> it needs to be done through IRCC there isnt one around so what for 1 or email them
[12:32] <persia> Tm_T, At what time of day?
[12:32] <Mamarok> there still is an ilder here, so what am I supposed to do, do the ops call forthat everytime?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Mamarok: who is it
[12:32] <persia> Unless there's a supplicant, idlers can wait a bit.
[12:32] <gnomefreak> Mamarok: normally ask nicly for them to /part
[12:33] <bazhang> * [ne0|Penguin] (~John-Smit@122.177.15.216): John-Smith jungli ban evading in -ot
[12:33] <Mamarok> gnomefreak: well, open your eyes, there is only one person not voiced
[12:33] <Mamarok> all ops have voice, no voice = idle
[12:33] <gnomefreak> Mamarok: that does not mean they do not blong but i guess it is more important than ban evading. brb
[12:34] <Mamarok> whatever...
[12:34] <gnomefreak> !idle Bryanstein
[12:34]  * Mamarok goes idling
[12:34] <Tm_T> persia: different times, there hasn't been one particular time of day I have seen being more problem than another really
[12:34] <jussi> Bryanstein: has permission to idle, as he is a shellium admin
[12:34] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:34] <Mamarok> well, give him voice then, so we can identyfy idlers easier
[12:34] <persia> Should folks with permission to idle be voiced, so as to avoid confusion?
[12:34] <Mamarok> I would say so
[12:35] <Seeker`> +1
[12:35] <gnomefreak> jussi: they make a good point
[12:35] <jussi> Mamarok: its an exception. and no, the people with +v are that that so people coming in can identify ops.
[12:35] <persia> Ah.  This makes sense.
[12:35]  * jussi diappears
[12:35] <gord> wouldn't it make more sense if the the ops were op'ed so you could identify them as ops?
[12:35] <Mamarok> whatever, at least tell everybody who is allowed to idle then
[12:36] <Mamarok> by mail, so nobody misses the announcements
[12:36] <jussi> we have, several times
[12:36] <Mamarok> gord: :)
[12:36]  * gnomefreak goes to patrol
[12:36] <Mamarok> jussi: well, I have never seen that name before, and I read all mails I am supposed to get
[12:39] <Seeker`> jussi: any comments on people getting +o in here?
[12:39] <jussi> Seeker`: email the ircc.
[12:43] <Mamarok> bureaucracy when you hit...
[12:43]  * Mamarok goes back to work
[12:43] <persia> emailing the ircc isn't bureaucracy, it's transparency
[12:52] <ikonia> bazhang: niko is on the job now
[12:52] <ikonia> at a staff level
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ikonia: for who?
[12:54] <ikonia> jungli
[12:54] <ikonia> enough is enough
[12:54] <ikonia> a guy should not have 10+ bans across many channels, let alone in one
[12:54] <bazhang> ikonia, thanks. gord re-banned the new nick/IP
[12:54] <gnomefreak> staff has been on him pleanty of times
[12:54] <ikonia> I saw
[12:54] <ikonia> no, they have tried to resolve his "issue"
[12:55] <ikonia> now I'm actually making a complaint (not against them, but against the user)
[12:55] <ikonia> normally a word from staff can sort the user out, but it's beyond that now
[12:55] <gnomefreak> other than they can make a wide ban there isnt much difference
[12:56] <ikonia> well, it's up to them how they deal with it
[12:56] <ikonia> they are here to support us, and I'm asking for a little support depending on how they suggest best handling it
[13:00] <jpds> smallfoot- in -motu.
[13:00] <bazhang> ugh
[13:00] <jpds> persia: Look at that reaction time. ↑
[13:01]  * gnomefreak confused but watches when i get back from smoke
[13:01]  * persia is also confused
[13:01] <persia> Oh, reference to prior history with smallfoot- ?
[13:05] <gnomefreak> i assume so since he is in right place
[13:07] <gnomefreak> jrib is on top of just about everything
[13:07] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:08]  * jrib has no idea what is going on :P
[13:08] <bazhang> oh a gnaa troll
[13:08] <bazhang> dilberto
[13:09] <gnomefreak> hes mine
[13:09] <bazhang> he'll be klined soon enough
[13:10] <gnomefreak> god i hope so
[13:15] <gnomefreak> isnt ljl still an op?
[13:15] <bazhang> nope
[13:15] <gnomefreak> oh
[13:16] <gnomefreak> lots of people have turned in thier ops in the past say year
[13:16] <bazhang> not for a very long time now
[13:20] <gnomefreak> i think ljl's point is more of a repeat offender
[13:21] <bazhang> he's inconsistent. sometimes he sticks up for serious trolls and claims op abuse
[13:21] <gnomefreak> of all people i wouldnt have expected that from him
[13:24] <gnomefreak> oh this is going to get bad
[13:24] <bazhang> nah
[13:24] <gnomefreak> i see what you mean
[13:25] <bazhang> Seeker`, just let it go
[13:26] <gnomefreak> see whta i mean
[13:26] <gnomefreak> any op, he is just moving trhoug
[13:26] <gnomefreak> through
[13:26] <bazhang> just waiting for dilberto in other channels
[13:27] <ikonia> what the devil is sudo gem install
[13:27] <gnomefreak> ikonia: never heard of it
[13:27] <gnomefreak> i was wondering the same
[13:27] <ikonia> some guys' just suggested it in #ubuntu where you can use --prefix to change package layouts ??
[13:27] <ikonia> that seems impossible
[13:29] <persia> If you modify --prefix and rebuild from source, it works, but the results are very much unsupported.
[13:31] <ikonia> but that's rebuilding it from source
[13:31] <ikonia> which is not what the guy was suggesting,
[13:31] <ikonia> I think he was just talking nonsense
[13:31] <jrib> ikonia: gems is to ruby what cpan is to perl basically
[13:32] <bazhang> (Quit: Haiti=Mierda)
[13:32] <bazhang> gnaa troll
[13:33] <ikonia> jrib: that makes even less sense that it can be installed with prefix options
[13:33] <jrib> ikonia: maybe he's talking about the gem packages?  no idea, didn't even read the original context
[13:33] <persia> jrib, Only more so, unfortuantely
[13:33] <ikonia> I've done +r for 5 minutes to stop these hit and runs
[13:34] <persia> ikonia, gems are compiled on demand at runtime, and can be configured with --prefix at install time.
[13:34] <ikonia> jrib: maybe I'll have a look when I get chance
[13:34] <gnomefreak> ikonia: isnt it just him?
[13:34] <ikonia> persia: even through apt ?
[13:34] <ikonia> gnomefreak: scroll back suggests a few hit and runs
[13:34] <ikonia> I'll remove it if you're not comfortable
[13:34] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[13:35] <persia> ikonia, gems through apt are odd beasts, and you *can* reconfigure what apt installs to live somewhere else, if you set your environment differently than default.
[13:36] <ikonia> I'll have to have a look at that
[13:38] <persia> It's a painful mess.  If you look at it and develop a clear idea of how it should work, please publish widely.
[14:45] <bazhang> * MicrosoftBil (~prabinmet@151.83.223.174) has joined #ubuntu  need a good new ban for this guy
[14:46] <bazhang> ban evaded multiple times now
[14:49] <bazhang> @151.* seems too broad
[14:52] <bazhang> * [sluttyduck] (~slut@66.161.224.139): slut  family friendly?
[14:53] <Pici> Are they being a problem?
[14:53] <bazhang> not yet. just joined
[14:54] <bazhang> any hints on a good lasting ban in microsoftbil?
[14:55] <bazhang> err on
[15:05]  * gnomefreak just got back and still very confused :(
[15:06] <gnomefreak> nevermind it looks like it was a PM
[15:06] <bazhang> so he has multiple bans now. would like to have just the one to stop further ban evasion
[15:06] <gnomefreak> just not sure why i got the PM ive beena  good boy
[15:08] <bazhang> prabinmet@151.83.223.174 prabinmet@151.82.104.214 prabinmet@151.82.39.170 prabinmet@151.81.141.31
[15:08] <bazhang> and @151.* seems too broad
[15:08] <Pici> prabinmet
[15:10] <bazhang> prabinmet*!*@*  ?
[15:10] <Pici> sur
[15:10] <Pici> e
[15:10] <bazhang> thank
[15:10] <bazhang> s
[15:20] <bazhang> smallfoot- is in +1 as well?
[15:24] <gnomefreak> im wathcing +1 atm
[15:25] <gnomefreak> i would rather wait to see what he does before acting
[15:26] <bazhang> just in #ubuntu from what I'm in at least
[15:26] <marienz> can you please prod me the next time you see jungli?
[15:27] <gnomefreak> i will if im here. hes been nothing but a pain
[15:28] <bazhang> marienz, thanks! will do
[15:28] <marienz> also, he is currently supposed to be banned everywhere ubuntu-related?
[15:28] <gnomefreak> i guess you are staff?
[15:28] <marienz> I'm staff, yes
[15:28] <gnomefreak> ah
[15:28] <bazhang> yep :)
[15:28] <bazhang>   /msg ubottu staff
[15:29] <marienz> I'm currently planning to tell him to just stay out of #ubuntu and the #ubuntu-* namespace entirely, and that we'll start removing him from the network if he doesn't comply
[15:29] <marienz> (staff is best recognized by /whois-ing them and looking for a freenode/staff cloak)
[15:50] <ikonia> marienz: apologies, earlier when talking to niko I called you Maria, it was a typo on my part, I had other stuff on my mind and wasn't concentrating
[15:50] <ikonia> if niko mentions maria, I meant you
[15:50] <Pici> heh
[15:51] <ikonia> too many things, not enough brain cells
[15:51] <ikonia> my fault
[15:55] <marienz> ikonia: I was considering pointing that out, tbh (I get mistaken for female on irc pretty often but I think this is the first time someone munged my name like that)
[15:55] <bazhang> hehe
[15:56] <ikonia> marienz: juggling too many things, my mistake. Sorry
[15:56] <marienz> no worries
[15:59]  * gnomefreak cant juggle
[16:05] <elky> Those pudgy gnommish hands make it hard to catch things
[16:11] <gnomefreak> why would you email the irc mailing list about wireless problems :(
[16:12] <ikonia> gnomefreak: maybe he wants ops in this channel ?
[16:13] <gnomefreak> i think it was jussi who answered but no it was about him not getting a wireless connection that he tried to set up
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[16:13] <Pici> It was topylì
[16:13] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[16:14] <Pici> I get emails all the time from LP's 'contact this person', but this was sent to the mailing list.. odd.
[16:19] <bazhang> * GuitarShredder (~prabinmet@151.81.227.210) has joined #ubuntu that failed
[16:21] <bazhang> he got past the +b prabinmet*!*@*
[16:22] <topyli> Pici: i finally got around to crratong a boiletplate reply this morning, to the LP support requests
[16:22] <bazhang> would not including the ~ make a difference?
[16:22] <topyli> people get polite answers now!
[16:23] <elky> bazhang, ha, the only other person in @151.8* is ljl
[16:23] <bazhang> elky, heh
[16:24] <topyli> @login
[16:24] <bazhang> just whack a mole then.
[16:24] <topyli> @btlogin
[16:24] <Pici> topyli: I'm going to steal it.
[16:26] <topyli> Pici: just ask me for support and you'll have a copy in no time!
[16:27] <elky> "Dear Mister Topyli, please tell me how to get a perfect desktop setup"
[16:31] <topyli> "just copy mine! HTH, HAND"
[17:04] <Pici> jrib: Not sure if you saw the conversation earlier, but thats the second time that hes enabled that script.
[17:04] <jrib> Pici: I saw, I'm in pm with him
[17:04] <Pici> jrib: okay :)
[17:04] <jrib> :)
[17:14] <Pici> jrib: What was the upshot with chrisbuntunerd?
[17:14] <Pici> I only ask because he has it enabled in -offtopic still.
[17:15] <jrib> Pici: he couldn't figure out how to make his script stop so he quit and rejoined.  He's trying to figure out how to make it work on a single channel though.  I advised him to test it after leaving #ubuntu or with a different account and warned him he would likely be banned if it happened again
[17:46] <Pici> kron|k: You've been forwarded from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-ops, please fix your quit message.
[18:23] <Pici> marienz: around?
[18:23] <marienz> Pici: yeah
[18:24] <Pici> marienz: Looks like jungli is back, in #ubuntu-offtopic as John-Smith.  I haven't done anything yet.
[18:24] <marienz> yay
[18:24] <marienz> I'll talk to him
[18:28] <topyli> marienz: fyi, i already banned him once some time ago, for ban dodging as john-smith
[18:29] <Pici> topyli: I need to go to a meeting, could you take care of whatever is needed here?
[18:29] <topyli> Pici: sure
[18:29] <Pici> topyli: I haven't banned him yet this time around.
[18:29] <Pici> Thanks :)
[18:29] <topyli> i'm sick, can't go anywhere :)
[18:32] <marienz> is there an appeals process jungli is supposed to be following but hasn't?
[18:33] <IdleOne> !appeals
[18:33] <IdleOne> and yes probably
[18:33] <topyli> marienz: he could try emailing the irc council
[18:33] <marienz> afaik redirecting him here again would be bad?
[18:34] <IdleOne> his first option I believe has been burnt to the ground
[18:34] <topyli> marienz: i think he's pretty much done here, no progress
[18:34] <marienz> that's what I thought, yes
[18:34] <marienz> I'll mention the council
[18:35] <marienz> (assuming that's ok with you folks, I don't really want to send him down a path he's already unsuccessfully tried)
[18:35] <IdleOne> marienz: I seriously doubt he has tried the appeals process
[18:35] <IdleOne> besides coming here and like topyli already said, no progress
[18:35]  * marienz nods
[18:36] <topyli> marienz: no, he hasn't contacted the council
[18:36]  * marienz nods
[19:53] <MichealH> Hello?
[19:54] <mneptok> yessss?
[19:54] <MichealH> Someone in -offtopic is being plain annoying towards me
[19:54]  * mneptok slithers out from under the coffee table
[19:54] <mneptok> MichealH: /ignore
[19:54] <MichealH> Its just he is repeating what I ay... Just highlighting me
[19:55] <MichealH> Just being a general nusance
[19:55] <mneptok> again, /ignore
[19:55] <MichealH> Yeah
[19:55] <MichealH> Thanks
[19:55] <mneptok> np
[19:55] <MichealH> Do I need to leave now or?
[19:56] <mneptok> we do not allow idling, so unless you have something else, it's best you /part
[19:56] <MichealH> Okay
[19:56] <IdleOne> MichealH: there is a no idling rule here so, please :)
[19:56] <MichealH> Okay
[21:14] <seeker^> Is ubottu.com down?
[21:15] <rww> bazhang: "would not including the ~ make a difference?" ==> yes. the ban you set doesn't match him because it misses the tilde; you probably wanted *prabinmet!*@* .
[21:17] <rww> bazhang_: (repeat) "would not including the ~ make a difference?" ==> yes. the ban you set doesn't match him because it misses the tilde; you probably wanted *prabinmet!*@* .
[21:17]  * rww presumes you didn't get it the first time :)
[21:18] <seeker^> Is ubottu.com down?
[21:18] <rww> seeker^: wfm
[21:19] <seeker^> :/
[21:19] <seeker^> Can't connect
[21:20] <jpds> seeker^: Which ISP are you on?
[21:20] <seeker^> Be
[21:23] <jpds> seeker^: I'm on Be and I can get to it fine
[21:24] <mneptok> seeker^: quit and restart the browser
[21:25] <seeker^> I mean ssh
[21:25] <mneptok> why do you ssh to ubottu.com?
[21:25] <seeker^> That's where my shell is
[21:26] <mneptok> can you ssh elsewhere?
[21:26] <jpds> seeker^: ssh -v - is your friend.
[21:27] <Seeker`> hmm
[21:28] <seeker^> Works with a different hostname
[21:28] <jpds> Then it's probably your DNS being dumb.
[21:29] <jpds> seeker^: Oh, apparently their IGP is being a bit daft.
[21:29] <seeker^> :/
[22:05] <MichealH> Hello
[22:06] <MichealH> Just gotten abiuse from an op in -youth
[22:06] <Seeker`> which op?
[22:06] <MichealH> He isnt an official op
[22:06] <MichealH> He is zkreiess
[22:07] <MichealH> *zkreiesse
[22:07] <MichealH> Dont Tell him off yet
[22:07] <Seeker`> never heard of him
[22:07] <Seeker`> what happeneed?
[22:08] <MichealH> He had banned me and then said they had opped me to join a channel and not I am pera banned from all -youth channels
[22:08] <MichealH> He is saying some bad things
[22:08] <Seeker`> sorry, that makes no sense
[22:08] <MichealH> Hetricked me saying I was a op
[22:08] <MichealH> *He tricked me
[22:08] <MichealH> He said I was a op
[22:08] <MichealH> And to join a channel so I did
[22:09] <MichealH> And now I am auto banned by ChanServ on entry
[22:09] <MichealH> And His reply:
 Ha
 That was a joke...
 Like hell we'd let you op
[22:09] <MichealH> he is a Ubuntu Memebr
[22:09] <Seeker`> which channel did he tell you to join?
[22:10] <MichealH> #ubuntu-youth-ops
[22:10] <MichealH> Please
[22:10] <MichealH> He is not afraid to ban me fromevery channel he can
[22:10] <MichealH> I need advice
[22:11] <MichealH> I am just shocked ect. at all this
[22:11] <MichealH> I need to go...
[22:11] <Flannel> I think #ubuntu-youth falls into #ubuntu-irc, not here.  We certainly aren't operators there.
[22:11] <MichealH> Can you passthis on to them
[22:11] <MichealH> I really needtogo
[22:12] <MichealH> Can this be dealt with by you?
[22:12] <MichealH> Or the IRC people
[22:12] <Flannel> MichealH: I suggest you go there the next time you're around.  It won't hurt to resolve it in a day instead of immediately
[22:13] <MichealH> Okay
[22:13] <MichealH> Its #ubuntu-irc right?
[22:13] <Flannel> MichealH: You'll need to get the operator(s) involved in -youth to join -irc to discuss it with you, which we can try and help with.
[22:13] <Flannel> MichealH: yes
[22:13] <MichealH> He will make it worse
[22:14] <MichealH> I think Im just gonna have t accept that
[22:15] <Flannel> MichealH: I wouldn't be too sure.  Let's just see how it goes the next time you're around.
[22:15] <MichealH> Okay
[22:15] <MichealH> Thanks (although im depressed)
[22:15] <MichealH> Bye
[22:15] <IdleOne> Flannel: youth-ops auto bans anybody not on the access list
[22:15] <IdleOne> You have been kicked from #ubuntu-youth-ops by ChanServ (You are not authorized to be on this channel)
[22:15] <IdleOne> * Cannot join #ubuntu-youth-ops (You are banned).
[22:16] <Flannel> IdleOne: Does that ban you from #ubuntu-youth as well?
[22:16] <MichealH> It was a dummy channel?
[22:16] <IdleOne> no
[22:16] <Flannel> MichealH: Bye
[22:16] <MichealH> Bye
[22:16] <IdleOne> -youth is auto voice but it does not ban you from -youth
[22:17] <Flannel> IdleOne: One wonders what the purpose of -youth-ops is then.
[22:17] <Flannel> Since it's obviously not to discuss your bans
[22:17] <IdleOne> just for the ops I assume
[22:18] <Flannel> The topic says "only youth ops zone here" (whatever that means, I must be out of touch with my vernacular).  It seems that -council is the place to go to discuss disputes.
[22:20] <Flannel> MichaelH is banned by cloak, and by nick.  I guess it's not enough to ban once anymore.
[22:21] <IdleOne> I believe Seeker` is making inquiries
[22:21] <IdleOne> I also joined to idle
[22:31] <jpds> Oh dear God.
[22:31] <jpds> Seriously.
[22:31] <Flannel> *!*@* being +v is awesome, by the way!
[22:34] <IdleOne> makes us all equal
[22:34] <IdleOne> well except for those who have @ all the time
[22:34] <IdleOne> they are more equal
[22:34] <mneptok> i thought it was a requirement that people that run channels in the #ubuntu namespace idle in -irc in order to ensure things run smoothly
[22:35] <IdleOne> it is
[22:39] <topyli> i can't remember the wording, if it's "required" or "strongly recommnded". whatever, it's "smart" anyway
[22:42] <charlie-tca> required
[22:42] <topyli> Flannel: agreed, i like auto-voice :)
[22:42] <charlie-tca> unless it has been changed. That is why I idle here. I am only an op in #xubuntu
[22:48] <IdleOne> xubuntu is a core channel so you are required to be here I believe
[22:49] <Flannel> This whole thing is strange.  Apparently MichaelH had zkriesse as his mentor in the beginners team.
[22:49] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah. that's right
[22:49] <Seeker`> I tihnk there should be a closer link between ops here an ops in other channels
[23:06] <topyli> well at minimum, we should idle at -irc
[23:06] <Seeker`> I do, but there is a whole load of opping experience here, and there are a lot of groups starting up with no idea how to run channels
[23:07] <topyli> aye
[23:08] <Pici> interesting.
[23:08] <Seeker`> Pici: hmm?
[23:09] <Pici> Seeker`: Just reading the scrollback here.
[23:18] <IdleOne> kron|k: can we help you?