[00:00] <ScottK> Would you please file a bug.
[00:00] <yofel> sure
[00:01]  * ScottK is out for a while.
[00:19] <yofel> ScottK: bug 625586 - I'll leave the broken VM running for now, so ping me if you need something
[00:21] <CIA-71> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100827232112-1sj03i3wx8fa0kum * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add kubuntu_70_optimize_kratingspainter.diff to optimize the painting routine of KRatingPainter to not create so many unnecessary KIconEffect objects by using KIconEffect's static functions
[00:21] <CIA-71> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100827232149-095d98g4lmycxmbz * debian/changelog Correct changelog
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> apache2logger: turns out knewstuff's rating* classes are an exact duplicate of libnepomuk's, with the exception of not having 2 or 3 bugfix commits made over the last 5 months :P
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> doing a quick port for kde 4.6 ;)
[02:07] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[02:12] <valorie> developers, is there a page with useful stuff we can test tomorrow, *buntu global jam?
[02:12] <valorie> for instance, better to upgrade from Lucid to Mav
[02:12] <valorie> or install afresh?
[02:12] <valorie> etc.
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> Testing the new installer would help: (Use virtualbox environments) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> And rekonq could always use stress testing
[02:54] <valorie> I'll try rekonq again in Mav
[02:54] <valorie> I just got fed up in lucid
[02:54] <valorie> oh, I've never done virtualbox
[02:55] <valorie> mav isn't ready for prime time?
[02:55] <valorie> lucid beta was good
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> well, installers really need to be tested in virtual settings
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> unless you like toasting existing installs
[02:56] <valorie> I finally got a full backup of my /home and /usr
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:57] <valorie> I was figuring on saying goodbye to Lucid tomorrow
[02:57] <valorie> unless it's so bad I have to reinstall
[02:57] <valorie> but I guess learning to use a virtualbox would be good too
[02:59] <valorie> I guess I'll bum a blank CD off my hubby
[02:59] <valorie> I used my last one a few days ago and forgot to buy more
[03:05] <valorie> heh, connection must be great
[03:05] <valorie> 1:55 remaining
[03:05] <valorie> lol
[05:04] <valorie> ok, how much memory should be assigned for an installer test in virtualbox?
[05:04] <valorie> more than 512?
[05:05]  * valorie is blogging about it, for others who might be interested in doing the same thing
[05:28] <valorie> ah, I see that all of this can be adjusted as necessary
[05:28] <valorie> cool
[06:07] <valorie> damn good thing I didn't wait until tomorrow to dl that file
[06:07] <valorie> or that's all I could have accomplished on the library wireless
[06:07] <valorie> lol
[08:43] <apache2logger> JontheEchidna: and now we have a real example on why code copies are bad and software that does have them ought to be rejected from ubuntu on general principle unless there is good reason not to do so ;)
[09:01] <CIA-71> [marble] sitter * 1169039 * trunk/KDE/kdeedu/marble/src/bindings/python/README python bindings doc moved
[09:12]  * apache2logger tries sippping
[09:28] <debfx> why does qtcreator use private Qt classes :/
[09:31] <debfx> it fails to start after upgrading qt to 4.7 rc1 ...
[10:04] <apache2logger> debfx: probably because it is an internal thing :P
[10:04]  * apache2logger assumes it just needs a recompile due to abi changes
[10:07]  * apache2logger apparently just created his first cpp-python module
[10:11] <apache2logger> >>> from ubuntu_sso.kdegui import *
[10:11] <apache2logger> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:11] <apache2logger>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
[10:11] <apache2logger> ImportError: No module named kdegui
[10:11] <apache2logger> :(
[10:12] <debfx> yeah recompiling fixes it
[10:14] <debfx> qt assistant still looks crappy :(
[10:14] <apache2logger> hmmmmmm
[10:14]  * apache2logger is wondering why it works if he copies kdegui.so to pymodules
[10:14] <apache2logger> >>> Dialog
[10:14] <apache2logger> <class 'ubuntu_sso.kdegui.Dialog'>
[10:22] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828092202-609wqesuge0r5udq * src/ (13 files in 3 dirs) add python sip foo
[10:28] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828092730-4m22r6ofcqp5a3ws * src/ (CMakeLists.txt Dialog.cpp Dialog.h InfoSet.h) make dialog ctor more like the GTK gui python one, I await QString vs. pystr :(... infoset tracks winid and loginOnly too
[10:45] <apachelogger> I broke it \o/
[10:46] <debfx> :O
[11:06] <apachelogger> I fixed it \o/
[11:07] <apachelogger> silly ubuntu-sso uses silly names though
[11:07]  * apachelogger renames to silly
[11:11] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828101042-c7wi5l41jimn135w * src/ (Dialog.cpp Dialog.h) rename to silly(tm) ... Dialog -> UbuntuSSOClientGUI ... dont feel like renaming the files, that is left for a day with better weather...
[11:11] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828101128-nzqfsfn2zz2xthmj * src/ (main.cpp python/sip/Dialog.sip) move main and sip foo in line with silly rename(tm)
[11:11] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828101141-tszhuyfr4lniq696 * src/python/CMakeLists.txt make sip foo work
[11:12] <apachelogger> ah, right, that needs a QApp
[11:12] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[11:14] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828101402-k2b0ep0zjfuyta4p * src/ (Dialog.cpp Dialog.h main.cpp python/sip/Dialog.sip) revert silly rename(tm)... got a better idea
[11:16] <mfraz74> Anyone having problems with Kopete and this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=248584 ?
[11:18] <ulysses> mfraz74: you have to install kopete-gcall package
[11:19] <mfraz74> ulysses: I did that last time I had the bug and it cured it, did an update this morning and it is back
[11:20] <debfx> mfraz74: bug #625550
[11:21]  * apachelogger is wondering if that pyth0rn crap there makes any sense at all
[11:21] <mfraz74> debfx: thanks, that seems to be it
[11:23]  * apachelogger expects mainloop fight \\o/
[11:25] <mfraz74> last changes seem to have been made by Jonathan Riddell
[11:26] <debfx> mfraz74: it's already fixed in our bzr branch, just not uploaded yet
[11:26] <mfraz74> ok
[11:30] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828102959-dxm4vx692w7a380p * src/ (5 files in 2 dirs) UbuntuSSOClientGUI - wrapper to construct kapp and kaboutdata and run dialog...
[11:31] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828103102-72jgb5ktc3ll4798 * src/python/sip/UbuntuSSOClientGUI.sip add sip foo
[11:35] <debfx> apachelogger: what do you think about uploading this fix: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdenetwork/ubuntu/revision/103
[12:13]  * apachelogger notes that shadeslayer will get the pokes when he gets back for not fixing kopete
[12:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: ^ exceptable?
[12:14] <apachelogger> IIRC it breaks jabber sort of
[12:14] <persia> "acceptable" -> folks like it.  "exceptable" -> This may have issues (exceptions)
[12:21] <apachelogger> persia: I know exceptionable, but not exceptable (i.e. I thought to have made it up ^^)
[12:23] <persia> English allows made-up words with certain constructions.  "except-able" means roughly "Can be excepted", where "excepted" would be from the verb "except" which doesn't normally exist, but English (sadly) allows turning any part of speech (a preposition in this case) into a verb...
[12:23]  * persia wishes the standard global language was less flexible, hard to spell, and prone to miscommunication
[12:27] <apachelogger> well, exceptable is meant to say whether that thing is exceptable from freeze in here :P
[12:28] <apachelogger> oh my
[12:28] <apachelogger> rekonq devs know next to enough about the stuff they work with
[12:29]  * apachelogger shakes head and moves out to teach them a lesson
[12:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: !
[12:57] <Nightrose> apachelogger: !
[12:57] <debfx> apachelogger: while you're at it, couldyou  fix rekonq not saving the show bookmark toolbar state :)
[12:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: rantanplan!
[12:58] <Nightrose> \o/
[12:58]  * apachelogger moves weirdly
[12:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you think a gobject and a qobject can have babies?
[12:59] <apachelogger> debfx: I am not fixing no nothing there, the day I touch that ugly designed code I will have to sign myself up for a detox
[12:59] <Nightrose> probably - but it wouldn't be pretty would it?
[12:59] <apachelogger> dunnp
[12:59] <apachelogger> dunno
[12:59] <apachelogger> I will make them have babies now
[12:59]  * apachelogger puts them both in a bag and waits
[12:59] <Nightrose> -.-
[12:59] <apachelogger> /usr/include/glib-2.0/gobject/gsignal.h:26: fatal error: gobject/gclosure.h: No such file or directory
[12:59] <apachelogger> compilation terminated.
[13:00] <apachelogger> that does not sound good
[13:00]  * apachelogger is worrid that the bag might break
[13:02] <apachelogger> and just so we are clear, I am not ever going to work again with people who have no idea of how to seperate gui from backend
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ubuntu one giving issues again? :P
[13:04] <apachelogger> issues?
[13:04] <apachelogger> haha
[13:04] <apachelogger> issues
[13:04] <apachelogger> windows is giving issues
[13:04] <apachelogger> u1
[13:04] <apachelogger> u1 is different
[13:04] <apachelogger> it causes pain
[13:04]  * shadeslayer notes that u1 is broken in maverick
[13:04] <apachelogger> it is like getting raped while having a car accident or so
[13:05] <shadeslayer> hmm.. my rekonq now has no icon :S
[13:06] <debfx> shadeslayer: rekonq doesn't save the show bookmarks toolbar state :(
[13:07] <debfx> also I want an option to make it not share bookmarks with konqueror :P
[13:07] <shadeslayer> ^ bookmark sharing is actually a feature :P
[13:07] <shadeslayer> i think there are plans to expand bookmark sharing with other browsers
[13:08] <shadeslayer> debfx: and i dont understand the first problem
[13:08]  * shadeslayer tries
[13:08] <debfx> well I use konqueror as a file manager, not as a browser
[13:08] <debfx> shadeslayer: disable the bookmarks toolbar and restart rekonq
[13:08]  * apachelogger wishes he could use plasma as a browser
[13:08] <apachelogger> oh
[13:08] <apachelogger> hold
[13:08] <apachelogger> on
[13:08] <apachelogger> I can
[13:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:09] <apachelogger> plasma is teh arrsome :D
[13:09] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[13:09] <shadeslayer> debfx: bookmarks toolbar?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> i dont even know what that is :P
[13:10] <shadeslayer> debfx: what is it called in the Confgiure toolbars dialog?
[13:11] <debfx> shadeslayer: it's an entry in the main menu
[13:11] <debfx> next to "History Panel"
[13:11] <debfx> do kde/cdbs packages complain about not installed files?
[13:11]  * shadeslayer delets rekonqrc
[13:12] <shadeslayer> where now?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> theres one entry called bookmarks and one called bookmarks panel
[13:13] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe I should just not do it ...
[13:13] <apachelogger> this is getting ugly
[13:14] <apachelogger> debfx: no they do not
[13:14] <apachelogger> debfx: unless the particular package wants to
[13:15] <debfx> shadeslayer: http://imagebin.ca/view/zZSAKKF.html
[13:16] <shadeslayer> ohhhh!
[13:16] <debfx> apachelogger: so how do I force it?
[13:16]  * debfx hopes debian gets rid of cdbs for kde 4.5 packages
[13:18] <apachelogger> debfx: add --list-missing to DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS
[13:18] <apachelogger> or --fail-missing
[13:18] <apachelogger> depending on what you want to archive
[13:18] <apachelogger> debfx: the list-missing hook is superior though
[13:20] <shadeslayer> debfx: confirmed on git
[13:21] <debfx> apachelogger: does --list-missing work even though cdbs calls dh_install for each package separately?
[13:24] <debfx> hm the cdbs manual says I should call fakeroot debian/rules list-missing
[13:28] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:28] <shadeslayer> void SettingsDialog::readConfig()
[13:28] <shadeslayer> {
[13:28] <shadeslayer> }
[13:28] <shadeslayer> debfx: i think thats causing it ^
[13:31] <apachelogger> ARHARGHGHABHej
[13:31] <apachelogger> I HATE THIS CRAP
[13:31] <apachelogger> aaaaahahahh
[13:31]  * apachelogger runs to Nightrose and starts crying
[13:31] <Nightrose> awwww
[13:31]  * Nightrose huggles apachelogger
[13:32] <shadeslayer> debfx: started discussion on rekonq AT kde DOT org
[13:33] <shadeslayer> im off to get some books for my exams 
[13:33] <shadeslayer> ciao people
[13:33] <debfx> shadeslayer: thanks
[13:33] <shadeslayer> no
[13:33] <shadeslayer> brr
[13:49] <sheytan> Hey guys
[13:49] <sheytan> about the installer
[13:49] <sheytan> in the slideshow, please make the icons smaller to fit whole icon into scree ;)
[13:49] <sheytan> sreen*
[13:50] <mfraz74> Using a fully updated Kubuntu 10.10, the first time I use Krunner by pressing Alt-F2 I'm forced out of my current session
[13:50] <mfraz74> next time I use it it works fine
[13:52] <sheytan> Btw, please remove the background from the slideshow. It will look way better without it ;)
[13:52] <sheytan> and use the Ubuntu new font ;D
[13:55]  * apachelogger must be too stupid to construct a simple gobject instance
[13:55] <mfraz74> at least you know what that means!
[14:36]  * debfx uploads kdelibs 4.5.1 to ninjas ppa :O
[14:37]  * apachelogger is having a nervous break down from gobject
[14:51] <sheytan> Hey, i've got a bug about the new installer. Where can i report it?
[14:55] <persia> launchpad?
[15:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: That would be fine.
[16:43] <CIA-71> [kdenetwork] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100828154324-anakjx3pzjm00fpo * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu4
[17:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Accepted.  Thanks.
[17:30] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[17:57] <apachelogger> (process:16535): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.25.14/gobject/gsignal.c:2924: signal id `2' is invalid for instance `0x97c7900'
[17:57] <apachelogger> I think glib does this intentionally
[18:00] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: and what about kolourpaint-gnome issue? is it possible to do something in this case?
[18:00] <apachelogger> no
[18:00] <apachelogger> I do not know the case
[18:00] <apachelogger> s/case/cause
[18:01] <apachelogger> also it did not occur anymore 
[18:02] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: is it reproducible for you?
[18:03] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: always! 
[18:03] <apachelogger> interesting
[18:03] <apachelogger> need to take another look then
[18:09] <apachelogger> oh noes!
[18:09] <apachelogger> crash!
[18:09] <apachelogger> ah
[18:09] <apachelogger> :(
[18:10] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: so still problem exist? ;-D
[18:10] <apachelogger> other crash :P
[18:10] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: I did only stumble upon the theming issue by accident yesterday
[18:10]  * apachelogger is working on other things 
[18:13] <debfx> is there a good reason to enable the Qt OpenVG module in maverick?
[18:16] <debfx> Debian enabled it but I guess we should wait until natty
[18:22] <sheytan> apachelogger hey ;D
[18:23] <sheytan> did you see that one http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/07/kubuntu-orange-tapeta.html ?
[18:23] <sheytan> well, take a look at them all here http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/search/label/gimp :)
[18:25] <ari-tczew> sheytan: huh, next contributor from Poland :)
[18:25] <sheytan> ari-tczew Yep ;)
[18:25] <sheytan> I'm working on the new kubuntu website :D
[18:25] <sheytan> which is gonna rock ;D
[18:26] <ari-tczew> sheytan: kubuntu.org?
[18:27] <sheytan> yes ;)
[18:27] <ari-tczew> sheytan: current kubuntu.org is yours?
[18:27] <sheytan> nope. It's ofir's. We now work together on the whole new design with cool features like screenshots galleries, screencasts and manuals for new users ;)
[18:28] <sheytan> we have some stuff done so far. ;)
[18:31] <ari-tczew> nice, keep working
[18:34] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[18:34] <apachelogger> I think I finally unstood GObject
[18:34] <apachelogger> yay!
[18:34] <apachelogger> crash is gone \o/
[18:35] <apachelogger> my signal stuff does not work though :/
[18:36] <apachelogger> oh
[18:36] <apachelogger> mainloop issues, exactly as I thought
[18:36] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:36] <apachelogger> man how I hate poorly designed code -.-
[18:53] <johnflux> I'm using kde 4.5.0 backport in lucid, but everything crashes
[18:54] <apachelogger> kaboom
[18:54] <apachelogger> johnflux: if you could pastebin a backtrace or two it would be very helpful
[18:56] <johnflux> plasma-desktop: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_plasma-desktop.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Plasma6Corona12mapAnimationENS_8Animator9AnimationES2_
[18:56] <johnflux> This seems to be the cause
[18:56] <johnflux> I'm trying to --reinstall various libraries, include libplasma3
[18:57] <apachelogger> sheytan: the orange tapeta is very darky
[18:57] <johnflux> is there any way to ask apt-get  to check my system?
[18:58] <johnflux> like, check if I have any dependencies broken, or even check if all the files exist and are correct
[18:58] <apachelogger> apt-get check
[18:58] <apachelogger> johnflux: support is in #kubuntu btw
[18:58] <apachelogger> johnflux: and that crash is indeed coming from an outdated library
[18:58] <johnflux> sorry, I was just told to come here from #ubuntu+1  because it's from backports
[18:58] <johnflux> I guess my questions are going back and forth a bit
[18:59] <apachelogger> johnflux: no, I am sending you to #kubuntu which is different from #ubuntu+1 :P
[18:59] <apachelogger> johnflux: anyhow, it is some flux in your current installation that can only be resolved via support, nothing we can do in development about it ;)
[19:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: qobject and gobject have babies now
[19:00] <apachelogger> but gobject is having an affair with python
[19:01] <johnflux> apachelogger: well I'm worried that it might be a problem in backport packages themselves
[19:01] <apachelogger> just that python does not want to go all in with someone who is in a compiled relationship
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Oo
[19:01] <apachelogger> very twisted
[19:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: btw - meeting in 2h
[19:01] <apachelogger> johnflux: unlikely since we did not change them lately and if there was breakage in such an essential library it would have been reported ^^
[19:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: are you implying I should be preparing?
[19:02] <Nightrose> apachelogger: no - just be there
[19:02] <johnflux> apachelogger: I found a long bug report from last week on this issue
[19:03] <johnflux> apachelogger: but it looked like it was fixed for other people
[19:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thanks for the reminder then ... because I wanted to prepare a bit ^^
[19:03] <apachelogger> johnflux: got the url?
[19:03] <Nightrose> hehe
[19:03] <Nightrose> yw
[19:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: first I feel like making amarok less scary though... that new configure mass storage stuff is all sorts of horrible
[19:04]  * apachelogger will probably fail at the load of amarok code though
[19:04] <Nightrose> -.-
[19:05]  * apachelogger actually feels like removing it
[19:05] <apachelogger> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoptg1751
[19:06] <apachelogger> those icons there on the Elements collection are next to useless
[19:06] <apachelogger> a) they are cluttering b) they are out of context c) they have no tooltips d) they are inconsistent with the locale collaction entry
[19:25]  * apachelogger does not find where that stuff is done
[19:26]  * apachelogger gives up
[19:29] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, some people like dark walls ;)
[19:30] <sheytan> btw is there in german or english a word 'tapeta' ? :D
[19:30] <sheytan> with my 9 years german knowledge i didn't hear that :D
[19:31] <yofel> I didn't hear that either, and I'm german, if anything I can think of 'Tapete' but not 'tapeta'
[19:31] <sheytan> well, tapeta in polish means wallpaper :D
[19:31] <ari-tczew> sheytan: wallpaper
[19:31] <sheytan> yep ;D
[19:32] <ari-tczew> sheytan: http://translate.google.com
[19:32] <sheytan> maybe apachelogger just used it from my blog post ;D
[19:32] <apachelogger> the realation between tapete and tepeta is pretty obvious :P
[19:32] <yofel> sheytan: well, it means that in croation too, but not in german :P
[19:32] <yofel> *croatian
[19:32] <apachelogger> sheytan: I am a language borg :P
[19:32] <apachelogger> assimilating every bit of language I can get hold of ;)
[19:32] <sheytan> oh :D
[19:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: aint that right? ;)
[19:32] <sheytan> so now you speak a bit of polish :D
[19:32] <Nightrose> yes yes yes
[19:33] <yofel> hm, desktoptapete...
[19:33] <yofel> rofl
[19:35] <sheytan> well, germans use lots of english words. While watching some tv i hear that :D
[19:35] <yofel> indeed
[19:36] <sheytan> dantti: hey. I have something to tell you about kpk, but i forget. Give me a sec :D
[19:41] <dantti> sheytan: remembered?
[19:42] <sheytan> dantti: just a second ;)
[19:42] <sheytan> i have to make a list of such things :D
[19:42] <dantti> wow it's that big?
[19:43] <sheytan> nope, but when i have lots of things todo, i forgot some ;D
[19:43] <dantti> i see
[19:45] <sheytan> dantti: ive got it :D Please dont' put '>>' on the 'details' button :D
[19:46] <dantti> sheytan: well that't not me, It'd kdelibs
[19:46] <sheytan> dantti: but you can fix it, right? :)
[19:46] <dantti> *that's not me, it's kdelibs :P
[19:46] <dantti> well
[19:46] <dantti> the problem is that if I do so I'll break strings again
[19:48] <apachelogger> hm
[19:48] <dantti> after 0.6.1 I can do that since I'll have to break strings anyway to do the application installer thing
[19:48] <sheytan> ok :D
[19:48] <apachelogger> sheytan: when I have lots of things to do I forget them all and when I have few things to do I forgot most of them ;)
[19:49] <apachelogger> we should de->> kdelibs I say!
[19:49] <dantti> apachelogger: that's good practice :)
[19:49] <sheytan> apachelogger try yellow notes :D Helps me :D But well, sometimes i forget to write what i should remember :D
[19:49] <apachelogger> dantti: keeps me at a healthy rate of trying to remember things and watching tv series ;)
[19:52]  * sheytan back to work on kubuntu site
[19:52] <sheytan> btw we now have Core technologies in Kubuntu subpage :D
[19:52] <sheytan> will be more about KDE and Linux
[20:16] <sheytan> Hey Kubuntu devs
[20:16] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ssup
[20:16] <sheytan> will this be ok if you were looking for IDE's http://a.imageshack.us/img375/4467/development.jpg 
[20:16] <sheytan> ?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> seems good to me
[20:18] <shadeslayer> add eclipse
[20:18] <sheytan> Of course the text info is changable ;)
[20:18] <shadeslayer> idk if anyone uses that, but the techbase lists it
[20:18] <sheytan> well, i would remove one of already there
[20:18] <sheytan> we only can have 5 things there
[20:19] <shadeslayer> id say kate :P
[20:19] <shadeslayer> its not a proper dev env
[20:19] <sheytan> shadeslayer, well, i'll remember to change it :)
[20:20] <shadeslayer> sheytan: get a second opinion as well :P
[20:20] <sheytan> shadeslayer i already did and someone mentioned kate :D
[20:20] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:20] <sheytan> i think it was Riddell
[20:20] <sheytan> that's why it's on the list
[20:20] <shadeslayer> isnt Riddell off?
[20:20] <shadeslayer> i mean.. hes gone till monday
[20:20] <sheytan> yep, but i asked two days ago :D
[20:21] <yofel> remove either kate or emacs, eclipse is at least recommended by the java folks in my old university 
[20:22] <shadeslayer> id rather say kate than emacs
[20:22]  * shadeslayer fears wrath of emacs lovers
[20:22] <yofel> hm, remove kate, emacs is an ide of some sort, right
[20:22] <yofel> btw...
[20:22] <yofel> hi shadeslayer :P
[20:22]  * shadeslayer waves to yofel 
[20:23] <sheytan> but, yeah, say it's the best looking web sites with IDE's :D
[20:23] <yofel> I don't care about hate of emacs lovers, I'm a vim guy *evil grin*
[20:24]  * shadeslayer uses qtcreator...
[20:25] <superfly> sheytan: I would suggest you ask a native English speaker to just make sure all the English is right, but for look and layout and things, that looks really good
[20:26] <sheytan> superfly i will, trust me :D
[20:26] <sheytan> and thank you :)
[20:26] <superfly> :-)
[20:26] <apachelogger> emacs?
[20:26] <apachelogger> where is emacs?
[20:26]  * apachelogger gets his gun
[20:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: here : http://a.imageshack.us/img375/4467/development.jpg
[20:27]  * shadeslayer runs as far as possible
[20:28] <shadeslayer> also.. rekonq 0.5.82 is going to be released with faster urlbar specially for you apachelogger 
[20:28] <apachelogger> OH MY LORD
[20:28] <apachelogger> YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING
[20:28]  * apachelogger throws rotten tomatos after sheytan
[20:28] <apachelogger> vim is supreme!!!!!!!!
[20:29] <apachelogger> not to mention that jr is like the only emacs user in here anyway
[20:29] <shadeslayer> well..not actually released... adjam just pushed it into git repo
[20:29]  * yofel pats apachelogger on the shoulder
[20:29] <yofel> not everyone understands us
[20:29] <sheytan> come down, come down :D
[20:29] <sheytan> it's all changable ;D
[20:29] <sheytan> please don't kill me ;D
[20:30] <apachelogger> phew
[20:30] <apachelogger> very well
[20:30] <sheytan> apachelogger what should i put there? :D
[20:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: I shall excuse that error in judgment this one time
[20:31] <apachelogger> sheytan: quite frankly I would leave it at kdevelop, creator and kate
[20:31] <apachelogger> everyone who would wish to use vim or emacs is a long time geek anyway and knows about that foo
[20:31] <sheytan> apachelogger i need 5 things there ;)
[20:31] <apachelogger> and I do not see no need to explcitly advertise it
[20:31] <apachelogger> sheytan: why dont you add something one could use for webdevelopment 
[20:31] <apachelogger> whatever one uses for that
[20:32] <sheytan> apachelogger is quanta alive?
[20:32] <apachelogger> milian is/did revie(d) it
[20:32] <apachelogger> sheytan: question is more, should we advertise it ;)
[20:33] <sheytan> apachelogger do you know any other cool app for KDE? :D
[20:33] <sheytan> i mean webdev app
[20:33] <apachelogger> no
[20:33] <apachelogger> emacs is not kde either :P
[20:33] <apachelogger> also plasmate will not be ready for 10.10
[20:33] <apachelogger> so that ought to go as well
[20:33] <sheytan> yeah, but well, i don't know devs tools so good, so i asked, and got that ;D
[20:34] <apachelogger> people were playing tricks on you, I see :P
[20:34] <sheytan> in plasmate case we can write it's not ready yet :D
[20:34] <sheytan> ahahahha :D
[20:34] <sheytan> you think? :D
[20:34] <apachelogger> it is not even available
[20:34] <apachelogger> there is no point in having it listed
[20:34] <sheytan> this sucks ;D
[20:34] <sheytan> what tools are you using? :D
[20:34] <apachelogger> quite frankly I would leave it at kdevelop, qtcreator and kate
[20:34] <apachelogger> since those are about anything you will need
[20:35] <superfly> There's also Eric for PyQt/PyKDE
[20:35] <apachelogger> oh
[20:35] <apachelogger> dont get me started on eric
[20:35] <apachelogger> seriously
[20:35] <superfly> it's a little... different
[20:35] <apachelogger> emacs is terrific compared with eric
[20:35] <apachelogger> sheytan: you could list Qt Assistant for API documentation browsing thingy
[20:36] <superfly> eric starts off as overkill, I usually hide almost all the toolbars when I start
[20:36] <sheytan> apachelogger, ok, one more :D
[20:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: also doxygen can generaete qt assistant files which enables it to get documentation on projects written in just about every programming language there is
[20:36] <ari-tczew> hmm, has Debian got kde 4.5 now?
[20:37] <sheytan> apachelogger so lets add  those two for doc. stuff
[20:37] <ari-tczew> I'm asking due to this change: debian/control: Build-Depends on libqt4-webkit-dev due to QtWebKit is no longer part of libqt4-dev
[20:37] <apachelogger> sheytan: you should not list doxygen :P
[20:37] <sheytan> :D
[20:37] <apachelogger> but maybe use it in the description of assitant
[20:37] <apachelogger> as addtional bonus point to use qt assitant
[20:37] <sheytan> apachelogger well is qt assistant only online?
[20:38] <apachelogger> no, offline documentation browsing
[20:38] <apachelogger> it is like khelpcenter, just working and for API documentation
[20:38] <apachelogger> that said
[20:38] <sheytan> ok, thank you :)
[20:38] <apachelogger> sheytan: unless you want to list installable applications you could add the KDE TechBase
[20:39] <apachelogger> as reference point, since they have loads of great tutorials and foo over there
[20:39] <sheytan> apachelogger can i make this as 'Need help? Read KDE's tutorials to get started'
[20:40] <sheytan> linked to teach base
[20:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: more generic maybe ... "Need Help? Check out KDE's brilliant website for developers"
[20:41] <apachelogger> it is not just tutorials ;)
[20:42] <sheytan> ok, thank you :)
[20:42]  * sheytan still looks for an app Kubuntu devs are using and it's not kdevelop, qt creator, plasmate, kate, vim or emacs :D
[20:43] <apachelogger> no such app :P
[20:43] <shadeslayer> true ^ :P
[20:43] <apachelogger> well, there is kwrite, but it essentially is just kate trimmed down for one document at a time
[20:43] <apachelogger> not sure if it worth mentioning
[20:44] <shadeslayer> oh boy.. i requested a rekonq build 2 weeks ago and its still not built
[20:44] <apachelogger> you could mention lokalize as the transltors tool to translate 
[20:44] <apachelogger> after all, any app developer likes a well localized application so that users pay him loads and loads of money
[20:44] <apachelogger> or other services.... ;)
[20:45] <sheytan> apachelogger so the list will be: kdevelop, qtcreator, kate, localize, and quanta(or qt assistant) :D
[20:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: someone complained about the same thing in #launchpad today iirc
[20:46] <apachelogger> lunchpad
[20:46] <apachelogger> lunchpad - we eat your builds
[20:46] <yofel> lol
[20:46] <shadeslayer> haha
[20:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: even the google maps stuff isnt working
[20:46] <yofel> yep, and then it times out while it goes fetching replacements :P
[20:46] <shadeslayer> i get the error
[20:47] <shadeslayer> s/the/some
[20:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: right, the #lp topic says they're working on it
[20:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: the daily builds are the last ones to be processed, and lp buildd was pretty overloaded for the past week
[20:48] <shadeslayer> so i guess thats sort of normal
[20:48] <yofel> yeah
[20:49]  * shadeslayer actually finds lp better on rekonq than chromium
[20:49] <shadeslayer> gmail looks better on chromium tho
[20:50] <yofel> well, I'll go doing something useful for now after breaking my lucid machine twice today
[20:50]  * yofel goes into hiding
[20:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: how can you break it twice?
[20:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:51] <shadeslayer> its a LTS... its supposed to break once...
[20:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: intentionally breaking grub to gather information for bug 441941 :P
[20:53] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:15] <sheytan> apachelogger shadeslayer and the rest http://a.imageshack.us/img411/4467/development.jpg :D
[21:48] <txwikinger> where are the iso-testing on iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[21:48] <txwikinger> for maverick
[21:53] <apachelogger> sheytan: much better
[21:54] <sheytan> apachelogger thank you :D
[22:26]  * apachelogger hands Nightrose a glass of wine
[22:26] <Nightrose> hmmmm wine
[22:26] <Nightrose> thx
[22:26] <apachelogger> omg
[22:26] <apachelogger> look at the color :O
[22:27] <apachelogger> that is ruby red
[22:27] <apachelogger> most beautiful
[22:27] <apachelogger> oh dear
[22:27]  * apachelogger is in love with this wine
[22:31] <apachelogger> sheytan: that new website design is very terrific btw
[22:32] <sheytan> apachelogger why?
[22:32] <apachelogger> sheytan: way too beauitful
[22:33] <apachelogger> makes me feel that we need ot polish kubuntu a bit more to make it fit the website ^^
[22:34] <sheytan> apachelogger well, i would recomend to replace the qucikaccess plasmoid with folder view one :D
[22:34] <sheytan> and btw, we have just fnished one of download pages terrific
[22:34] <sheytan> ah, sorry
[22:34] <sheytan> http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/381411-8292010123227AM
[22:34] <sheytan> and this is not a mockup :D
[22:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^ can you remove quickacces? ;)
[22:35] <sheytan> The point is, that it even doesn't have that cool animations others have :)
[22:36] <sheytan> btw german wine is cool :D
[22:36] <sheytan> Ok guys :) It's time for me
[22:36] <sheytan> going to sleep
[22:36] <apachelogger> o/ sheytan
[22:36] <sheytan> See  you tomorrow :)
[22:36] <sheytan> Good night everyone :)
[22:38]  * apachelogger tunes in seven deadly sins by flogging molly and takes Nightrose for a dance
[23:03] <apachelogger> "Ensure this value has at most 1000 characters (it has 1195)."
[23:03] <apachelogger> lol
[23:04] <apachelogger> seems I was too verbose again