[00:17] <LetsGo67> Anyone knows what 10.10 will be like?
[00:17] <LetsGo67> Best feature?
[00:17] <jpds> !best
[00:18] <LetsGo67> Worst feature?
[00:19] <DrHalan> can some epxlain me how to use the StreamSerialiser in Terrain::load
[00:19] <DrHalan> http://www.ogre3d.org/docs/api/html/classOgre_1_1Terrain.html#ae3fc60c0f8350b4872323ddf258d922d
[00:19] <DrHalan> i want to parse terrain data from my internal format to Ogre
[00:21] <DrHalan> oh sorry wrong channel ;)
[02:59] <maurer_> I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine?
[03:19] <maurer_> Damn, room's dead.
[03:21] <maurer_> Eh, sorry for the repost, but someone new is in the room, and nobody's talking: I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine?
[03:43] <maurer_> Note for anyone else who reads this and is having problems with maverick intel wifi: Install compat-wireless, it fixes this bug.
[04:34] <sinurge> with this new updates putting in whenever i shutdown i get policy kit still running ....with 3 boxes shutdown anyways...wait... any idea what that could be
[04:46] <sinurge> gettin the following error when i am trying to remove the old kernals http://paste.ubuntu.com/484790/ any suggestions
[04:53] <eightball> how to update from 10.4 without reinstaled?
[04:59] <sinurge> eightball, rephrase your question pls
[05:08] <IdleOne> eightball: 10.10 is still alpha and not stable. it is not recommended you upgrade until the official release.
[05:08] <KE1HA> Any non-UK folks trying to sync maverick images ?  It's extremely slow, and has been all afternoon, was just wondering if anyone else seeing that also.
[05:08] <eightball> i know when it is relese in oct which  is  almost a month a way ?
[05:08] <IdleOne> oct 10 2010
[05:09] <eightball> ok
[05:09] <eightball> on that date or later when i download it how to upgrade it?
[05:10] <KE1HA> eightball:  Beta-3 is coming out next week, you can download and have a preview of what's in store for 10-10.
[05:10] <IdleOne> when it is released the upgrade manager will offer to upgrade for you
[05:11] <eightball> ok so the upgrade manger takes care of every thing?
[05:11] <eightball> sorry still new to ubuntu
[05:12] <eightball> will SSD work ?
[05:24] <DanaG> ARGH, stupid Ubuntu kernel... makes my middle button not work.
[05:24] <DanaG> So, to press my middle button... I have to press my middle button AND my right button!
[05:26] <wick94> DanaG tht sounds like a real pain in the u know wht
[05:26] <DanaG> yeah.
[05:26] <DanaG> Hmm, try GL2 output in mplayer, perhaps.
[05:28] <DanaG> er, wrong tab.
[05:30] <wick94> lol
[07:48] <DanaG> Say, anyone know if GMA950 can accelerate ANY codec with va-api?
[08:59] <DanaG> argh, ubuntu... my middle button is not a freaking left button!
[09:02] <DanaG> It's really, really really annoying... every single time I try to middle-click a link to open it in a new tab, it instead left-clicks and opens in the current tabl!
[09:02] <DanaG> tab!
[09:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591
[09:24] <DanaG> AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH, HULK SMASH.
[09:24] <DanaG> GIVE ME BACK MY MIDDLE BUTTON!
[11:43]  * penguin42 yawns at the Ucubed event in Manchester
[11:59] <kulight> evolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help?
[12:19] <kulight> evolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help?
[14:07] <BUGabundo> afternoon friends
[14:08] <BUGabundo> what's the bug for the power policy agent that gets stuck?
[14:08] <BUGabundo> I always have to kill it on shutdown
[14:30] <BUGabundo> does it make any sense to "spin off" ssd disks?
[15:55] <BUGabundo> is it recommend to bind mount /dev/pts to do a chroot with xnest?
[15:56] <penguin42> when you say a chroot with xnest  what do you mean? xnest is not necessarily related to chroots
[15:57] <BUGabundo> oh no ?
[15:57] <BUGabundo> so how do you launch apps ?
[16:01] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Well you can start an Xnest and then from outside the Xnest you can do something like export DISPLAY=:1 xterm &
[16:02] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But there are also ways of starting new gnome sessions which is a tad harder
[16:02] <BUGabundo> yeah
[16:02] <BUGabundo> that's what I'm doing
[16:02] <BUGabundo> making a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it
[16:02] <BUGabundo> so I can still use what ever I have there and need porting
[16:03] <BUGabundo> looking at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[16:03] <ali1234> you should mount /dev/pts when chrooting
[16:03]  * penguin42 looks
[16:04] <BUGabundo> ali1234: thanks
[16:04] <BUGabundo> then the wiki needs editing
[16:04] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[16:04] <ali1234> you should probably mount /sys as well
[16:04] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/484999/
[16:04] <BUGabundo> here's what I have so far
[16:05] <ali1234> no need to bind them all
[16:05] <ali1234> mount -t devpts none /media/320/dev/pts
[16:05] <ali1234> etc
[16:05] <penguin42> BUGabundo: OK, so actually just as a flag these days it's a hell of a lot easier to use a VM rather than a chroot/Xnest
[16:06] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But that looks reasonable
[16:06] <BUGabundo> wiki fixed
[16:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: well, its my old disk
[16:07] <BUGabundo> making it into a VM just to start kmail or firefox is a bit overkill
[16:07] <ali1234> i agree
[16:07] <ali1234> you don't need the Xnest though
[16:08] <ali1234> also Xephyr is better than Xnest :)
[16:08] <BUGabundo> wait
[16:08] <BUGabundo> What?
[16:08] <BUGabundo> !info Xephyr
[16:08] <BUGabundo> !info xephyr
[16:08] <penguin42> xserver-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> !info x-server-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> !info xserver-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> ah there we go
[16:09] <BUGabundo> how does one use it ?
[16:09] <ali1234> same as Xnest pretty much
[16:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: But, stop - why do you want the Xnest/xserver-xephyr
[16:09] <BUGabundo> I don't
[16:10] <BUGabundo> ali1234 recommended it
[16:10] <BUGabundo> I just want to access my apps
[16:10] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Ah ok; it's just you can chroot into something and export the display back to the existing X server
[16:10] <BUGabundo> without having to muck much of the system
[16:10] <BUGabundo> tried that, no success
[16:10] <BUGabundo> so went with the next step: xnest
[16:10] <penguin42> ok
[16:10] <ali1234> getting Xauthority right can be tricky
[16:11] <BUGabundo> Xnest -ac :1 is so easy :P
[16:11] <BUGabundo> no idea what -ac does
[16:11] <BUGabundo> nothing in MAN for it
[16:12] <penguin42> I think that turns off access control
[16:12] <BUGabundo> makes sense
[16:12] <Daekdroom> Bleh, has anyone noticed that messaging-menu no longer tells you which apps among those are open and which aren't?
[16:12] <BUGabundo> so, xnest or xephyr ?
[16:13] <BUGabundo> what the key points on both?
[16:13] <penguin42> xehpyr is newer and I don't know much about it
[16:13] <BUGabundo> ahah
[16:13] <BUGabundo> will give it a try
[16:16] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/
[16:16] <BUGabundo> here is the lastest version
[16:16] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/
[16:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: You might want to bindmount /tmp - in particular it has the X socket in which lets export DISPLAY=/tmp
[16:19] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:19] <BUGabundo> sudo mount --bind /tmp  /media/320/tmp  ?
[16:19] <penguin42> promising
[16:36] <penguin42> BUGabundo: So does that work?
[16:40] <BUGabundo> yep
[16:40] <BUGabundo> making a few improvemtns
[16:40] <BUGabundo> adding comments, resolv.conf and spawing xnesty
[16:41] <BUGabundo> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485020/
[16:41] <penguin42> cool
[16:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: One of the things I haven't got my head around is that in recent Ubuntu/Gnome there is a concept of a 'session' that is managed with policykit and friends; and in some of the cases what you really want is a new session
[16:47] <BUGabundo> true
[16:47] <BUGabundo> but a nested X is handy too
[16:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: what are you breaking? :)
[16:49] <BUGabundo> nothing, yet
[16:49] <BUGabundo> check the pastebin
[16:52] <kklimonda> oh, why do you need nested X?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> again?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> don't you have a backlog ?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> LOL
[16:53] <BUGabundo> (2010-08-28 16:02:38) freenode: making a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it
[16:53] <BUGabundo> (2010-08-28 16:02:47) freenode: so I can still use what ever I have there and need porting
[17:05] <johnflux> Hi all
[17:06] <johnflux> I tried to install KDE 4.5.0  from lucid-backports, and screwed up my system :-D    Now KDE won't start
[17:06] <johnflux> it looks like I only need to update all the packages again, but the trouble is that since I can't login to KDE, I cannot get wireless working
[17:07] <johnflux> and without wireless I can't update the packages..
[17:08] <penguin42> johnflux: Hmm an interesting loop!
[17:08] <penguin42> johnflux: Can you start kde in failsafe?
[17:09] <kklimonda> heh, they have backported a whole kde 4.5 through -backports?
[17:09] <johnflux> penguin42, I can get krunner and konsole up and running
[17:10] <penguin42> I wonder if you can get enough of the network manager stuff
[17:10] <johnflux> penguin42, it's provided by kde plasmoid...
[17:10] <yofel> well, you'll either need plasma running for wireless or configure it with wpa_supplicant in konsole
[17:11] <kklimonda> johnflux: you can configure wireless even from terminal
[17:11] <yofel> johnflux: can you try to start plasma-desktop in krunner and look if there's an error in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[17:11] <johnflux> kklimonda, only by reconfiguring it all manually right?
[17:12] <johnflux> yoasif, I'm current in windows, so I'd have to reboot...
[17:12] <johnflux> but I found an longish bug report about this
[17:13] <yofel> ah, well, for wireless, there are a few examples in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ and 'man wpa_supplicant.conf'
[17:15] <yofel> just stop network-manager, run 'wpa_supplicant -i <interface> -c <config file>' and run dhclient once you're connected if you use DHCP
[17:16] <johnflux> yoasif, okay I'll give that a try
[17:16] <johnflux> if I can remember the magic combination to get my wireless to work :-/
[17:16] <yofel> well, first see if you can manually start plasma-desktop and see if it prints any errors
[17:17] <BUGabundo> penguin42: kklimonda: stupid question: how can I declare a variable for the mount PATH in that script? so it can be changed only in one place
[17:17] <yofel> yoasif: have a cookie...
[17:17] <BUGabundo> auff
[17:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: you can always do something like export FOO=/whereever  and later do PATH=$FOO/whatever
[17:18] <BUGabundo> so, sudo mount --bind /tmp  $FOO/tmp  ?
[17:19] <penguin42> yeh
[17:24] <yoasif> yofel, :P
[17:28] <BUGabundo> penguin42: here is the current version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485034/
[17:46] <penguin42> bb later
[18:02] <knittl> hi. i don't have an image on my screen after sleep (using nouveau)
[18:02] <knittl> it worked with nvidia, but nvidia is currently broken
[18:06] <BUGabundo> AHSHDPDHGPSEIGOSE*GFPEJ*OGD
[18:06] <knittl> BUGabundo: your keyboard is broken ;)
[18:06] <BUGabundo> seems I can't access copy paste buffer from nested X
[18:06] <BUGabundo> :(
[18:07] <BUGabundo> ali1234: any parameter for Xephyr to work ?
[18:16] <BUGabundo> $ chromium-browser
[18:16] <BUGabundo> [2600:2600:17000195076:FATAL:base/shared_memory_posix.cc(193)] Creating shared memory in /dev/shm/.org.chromium.dUjVsZ failed. This is frequently caused by incorrect permissions on /dev/shm.  Try 'sudo chmod 777 /dev/shm' to fix.: No such file or directory
[18:16] <BUGabundo> Aborted (core dumped)
[18:16] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:16] <BUGabundo> something isn't okay on my chroot
[18:37] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[18:39] <JohnFlux> I'm using lucid-backports but when I run kdm it says "cannot find greeter"
[18:39] <JohnFlux> Any idea what would cause that?
[18:49] <johnflux> When I try to run plasma-desktop I get:    symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_plasma-desktop.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Plasma6Corona12mapAnimationENS_8Animator9AnimationES2_
[18:50] <johnflux> This is using the ubuntu backport version of kde 4.5.0
[18:50] <yofel> johnflux: first, since we're talking about lucid let's move to #kubuntu
[18:51] <yofel> this channel is for maverick
[18:51] <johnflux> yes, but it's the backports
[18:51] <johnflux> which is kinda maverick :D
[18:51] <yofel> well, then #kubuntu-devel
[18:51] <yofel> but lucid-* is still lucid
[18:51] <yofel> 4.5 or not
[18:57] <BUGabundo> anyone know how to export all extensions of a chromium / chrome browser ?
[19:03] <sdk> On Maverick, is Emerald still used?
[19:04] <yofel> well, it's there, but I don't know if it actually works
[19:04] <sdk> I keep hearing that Emerald is goihng the way of the Dodo, but it keeps not happening.
[19:04] <sdk> yofel: what takes its place?
[19:04] <yofel> no idea, I don't follow gnome news
[19:04] <sdk> yofel:  fair enough.  :)
[19:12] <sdk> Grr .. very frustrating.  One of the most useful tools for a heavy computer user is the ability to have applications load on login to specific windows, i.e. terminals of a particular geometry in one workspace, browser in another, etc.  Apparently KDE supports that, but all Gnome'll do is set a default so EVERY time you open an app it will start in the same workspace.. Feh.
[19:33] <knittl> i'd like to provide information about not being able to properly resume after suspend with nouveau (black screen) – where can i get it?
[19:36] <txwikinger> Is there anything know about apport not being able to deal with crash files in maverick?
[19:39] <yofel> what happens?
[19:48] <txwikinger> hi yofel
[19:49] <txwikinger> it gives an erroe message
[19:49] <txwikinger> it gives an error message when opening the crash file
[19:49] <DanaG> argh, ubuntu kernel..... give me back my freaking middle button!
[19:49] <txwikinger> apport does not support reporting these crashes (assertion error)
[19:50] <yofel> txwikinger: hm, I know that is intentional, but I forgot why
[19:51] <txwikinger>  maybe you don't want to trace assertion errors?
[19:52] <yofel> probably, iirc has something to do with that xcb assertion where bugs were uselessly reported about it
[19:52] <txwikinger> ah
[19:53] <yofel> but I might be wrong, can you open the .crash file in an editor and check what the actual assertion error is?
[19:56] <IdleOne> ont he past few reboots I have received the following error http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html I'm not sure what package to report a bug against or if I even need to, any ideas?
[19:56] <IdleOne> on the*
[19:57] <IdleOne> if I click reboot anyway the system restarts and there does not seem to be any problems, just not sure what to do about this
[20:28] <dupondje> policykit broken ?
[20:29] <dupondje> it keeps asking me to kill it when I try to reboot/shutdown
[20:34] <rick_h_> howdy, we're testing the daily iso and found a bug with the builds. Where would I go to figure out how to submit a bug against it/check if it's already filed?
[20:35] <yofel> dupondje: IdleOne just posted http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html
[20:35] <rick_h_> I would have expected a bug report link here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100828/
[20:35] <yofel> rick_h_: well, what's the bug?
[20:35] <IdleOne> yofel: what package can I report a bug to concerning policykit?
[20:36] <rick_h_> we had to edit a syslinux.cfg file after running usb-creator
[20:36]  * greg-g waves
[20:36] <rick_h_> in order for the usb device to boot
[20:36] <rick_h_> so not really on a package installed/run per-se
[20:36] <yofel> rick_h_: ah wait, sounds familiar
[20:36] <yofel> bug 608382 ?
[20:36] <rick_h_> yea, it seems like everyong would have run into it, but trying to be good little ubj-ers
[20:36] <greg-g> probably should, there was a forums post about it
[20:37] <greg-g> yeah, that looks like it
[20:37] <yofel> rick_h_: and for reporting bugs follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs in general and come to #ubuntu-bugs if you have more questions
[20:37] <rick_h_> yea, that's the one
[20:37] <rick_h_> does it make any sense to add some text to the daily iso page for helping users get started with reporting bugs?
[20:38] <yofel> IdleOne: there is policykit-1 but I'm not sure if that's the right one
[20:39] <IdleOne> yofel: I tried that and got back an error saying the package does not exist
[20:39] <IdleOne> let me try again to make sure
[20:39] <yofel> rick_h_: not sure, usually people know that bugs should be filed on Launchpad
[20:39] <IdleOne> hmm now it works
[20:39] <IdleOne> thank yofel
[20:44] <MarkDude> dupondje, - YES, policykit is a known bug. The way it prevents shutdown
[20:45] <dupondje> is there a bugreport about it ?
[20:46] <IdleOne> dupondje: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/623819
[21:25]  * penguin42 yawns
[21:26]  * penguin42 has spent the day at a local Ubuntu meet up
[21:31] <jpds> Was it that bad?
[21:32] <penguin42> no, it was very good - I'm just rather tired now
[21:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591
[21:33] <DanaG> argh, give me back my freaking middle button, Ubuntu!
[21:34] <jpds> DanaG: Erm, it currently is freaking out, isn't that the problem?
[21:35] <DanaG> "it"?   What's "it"?
[21:35] <Dink> hmm where can I find more info on a bug. Every time I try to open/save a doc in oowriter I get an "Illegal instruction (core dumped)"
[21:35] <bjsnider> DanaG, don't you have that bug during every release cycle?
[21:35] <penguin42> Dink: apport or gdb should get you a backtrace especially if you install the -dbgsym packages, however it's still hard to track an OOo bug down
[21:36] <DanaG> Nope, that bug is new.
[21:36] <DanaG> It's saying "ClickPad Mode Enabled"... and thus treating my middle button as a left button.
[21:36] <DanaG> That trips me up 100% of the time I try to open a link in a new tab.
[21:36] <bjsnider> you didn't have a huge touchpad problem in the lucid cycle?
[21:36] <penguin42> DanaG: I've had a few weirdo touchpad issues in the last few weeks; it seems happyish at the moment
[21:37] <DanaG> A problem I had last time (and still have) was with my other system, a netbook -- the touchpad "spazzing" all over the screen.
[21:37] <DanaG> It seems to happen less frequently now.
[21:37] <Dink> penguin42, nothing gets triggered. I only noticed that message when I ran it via cli
[21:38] <penguin42> Dink: you could try running it in gdb, or you might find that apport has dropped a log in /var/crash
[21:39] <Dink> ahh there it goes thanks
[21:40] <DanaG> I have tons of my bugs that have had zero comments this whole time.
[21:40] <DanaG> Or rather, most of my bug reports this cycle seem to have been ignored.
[21:40] <penguin42> DanaG: Want to share some? I'm happy to see if I also see them
[21:40] <yofel> for kernel bugs that's not really surprising, there are too few developers for too many bugs
[21:41] <penguin42> it's true for most; you have to be pretty lucky to get them looked at
[21:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~danagoyette
[21:43] <yofel> yeah, but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~danagoyette/+reportedbugs lists only 6 and at least one is confirmed :P
[21:43] <penguin42> DanaG: Have you got your Xorg.0.log to attach to the clickpad one?
[21:44] <yofel> I have unanswered ones too, so don't be unhappy https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+reportedbugs
[21:44] <DanaG> It's a kernel bug, not an Xorg bug.
[21:44] <DanaG> Same issue happens even with evtest at console.
[21:44] <penguin42> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-treblig/+reportedbugs
[21:44] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081
[21:44] <DanaG> And this one, I even attached a patch for.
[21:47] <penguin42> your extace one seems to have a fix for
[21:50] <penguin42> yofel: Your 'every second time it boots' one is great on console misalignment
[21:50] <yofel> please don't ask me, that's what happened, and I rebooted over a dozen times...
[21:51] <penguin42> yeh, its a kind of fun bug
[22:49]  * penguin42 drops a pin
[23:01]  * charlie-tca can't hear the pin drop
[23:02]  * BUGabundo cleans charlie-tca ears with a 20" pole
[23:09] <Dink> Is there a way to stop mutter from trying to maximize everything I open ?
[23:10] <Dink> err Unity
[23:10] <BUGabundo> no
[23:10] <BUGabundo> at least not from design
[23:27] <DanaG> argh, stupid mtools... I tried to name a fat16 volume angstrom-boot, it instead made it ANGSTROM-BO
[23:27] <DanaG> WHY HELLO THERE, CAPS!
[23:42] <penguin42> ah technology