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LetsGo67Anyone knows what 10.10 will be like?00:17
LetsGo67Best feature?00:17
jpds!best00:17
ubottuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.00:17
LetsGo67Worst feature?00:18
DrHalancan some epxlain me how to use the StreamSerialiser in Terrain::load00:19
DrHalanhttp://www.ogre3d.org/docs/api/html/classOgre_1_1Terrain.html#ae3fc60c0f8350b4872323ddf258d922d00:19
DrHalani want to parse terrain data from my internal format to Ogre00:19
DrHalanoh sorry wrong channel ;)00:21
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maurer_I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine?02:59
maurer_Damn, room's dead.03:19
maurer_Eh, sorry for the repost, but someone new is in the room, and nobody's talking: I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine?03:21
maurer_Note for anyone else who reads this and is having problems with maverick intel wifi: Install compat-wireless, it fixes this bug.03:43
sinurgewith this new updates putting in whenever i shutdown i get policy kit still running ....with 3 boxes shutdown anyways...wait... any idea what that could be04:34
sinurgegettin the following error when i am trying to remove the old kernals http://paste.ubuntu.com/484790/ any suggestions04:46
eightballhow to update from 10.4 without reinstaled?04:53
sinurgeeightball, rephrase your question pls04:59
IdleOneeightball: 10.10 is still alpha and not stable. it is not recommended you upgrade until the official release.05:08
KE1HAAny non-UK folks trying to sync maverick images ?  It's extremely slow, and has been all afternoon, was just wondering if anyone else seeing that also.05:08
eightballi know when it is relese in oct which  is  almost a month a way ?05:08
IdleOneoct 10 201005:08
eightballok05:09
eightballon that date or later when i download it how to upgrade it?05:09
KE1HAeightball:  Beta-3 is coming out next week, you can download and have a preview of what's in store for 10-10.05:10
IdleOnewhen it is released the upgrade manager will offer to upgrade for you05:10
eightballok so the upgrade manger takes care of every thing?05:11
eightballsorry still new to ubuntu05:11
eightballwill SSD work ?05:12
DanaGARGH, stupid Ubuntu kernel... makes my middle button not work.05:24
DanaGSo, to press my middle button... I have to press my middle button AND my right button!05:24
wick94DanaG tht sounds like a real pain in the u know wht05:26
DanaGyeah.05:26
DanaGHmm, try GL2 output in mplayer, perhaps.05:26
DanaGer, wrong tab.05:28
wick94lol05:30
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DanaGSay, anyone know if GMA950 can accelerate ANY codec with va-api?07:48
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DanaGargh, ubuntu... my middle button is not a freaking left button!08:59
DanaGIt's really, really really annoying... every single time I try to middle-click a link to open it in a new tab, it instead left-clicks and opens in the current tabl!09:02
DanaGtab!09:02
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/61259109:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 612591 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] Kernel treats 3-button touchpad as 1-button ClickPad" [Undecided,New]09:03
DanaGAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH, HULK SMASH.09:24
DanaGGIVE ME BACK MY MIDDLE BUTTON!09:24
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* penguin42 yawns at the Ucubed event in Manchester11:43
kulightevolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help?11:59
kulightevolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help?12:19
BUGabundoafternoon friends14:07
BUGabundowhat's the bug for the power policy agent that gets stuck?14:08
BUGabundoI always have to kill it on shutdown14:08
BUGabundodoes it make any sense to "spin off" ssd disks?14:30
BUGabundois it recommend to bind mount /dev/pts to do a chroot with xnest?15:55
penguin42when you say a chroot with xnest  what do you mean? xnest is not necessarily related to chroots15:56
BUGabundooh no ?15:57
BUGabundoso how do you launch apps ?15:57
penguin42BUGabundo: Well you can start an Xnest and then from outside the Xnest you can do something like export DISPLAY=:1 xterm &16:01
penguin42BUGabundo: But there are also ways of starting new gnome sessions which is a tad harder16:02
BUGabundoyeah16:02
BUGabundothat's what I'm doing16:02
BUGabundomaking a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it16:02
BUGabundoso I can still use what ever I have there and need porting16:02
BUGabundolooking at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot16:03
ali1234you should mount /dev/pts when chrooting16:03
* penguin42 looks16:03
BUGabundoali1234: thanks16:04
BUGabundothen the wiki needs editing16:04
BUGabundohttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD16:04
ali1234you should probably mount /sys as well16:04
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/484999/16:04
BUGabundohere's what I have so far16:04
ali1234no need to bind them all16:05
ali1234mount -t devpts none /media/320/dev/pts16:05
ali1234etc16:05
penguin42BUGabundo: OK, so actually just as a flag these days it's a hell of a lot easier to use a VM rather than a chroot/Xnest16:05
penguin42BUGabundo: But that looks reasonable16:06
BUGabundowiki fixed16:06
BUGabundopenguin42: well, its my old disk16:06
BUGabundomaking it into a VM just to start kmail or firefox is a bit overkill16:07
ali1234i agree16:07
ali1234you don't need the Xnest though16:07
ali1234also Xephyr is better than Xnest :)16:08
BUGabundowait16:08
BUGabundoWhat?16:08
BUGabundo!info Xephyr16:08
ubottuPackage Xephyr does not exist in maverick16:08
BUGabundo!info xephyr16:08
ubottuPackage xephyr does not exist in maverick16:08
penguin42xserver-xephyr16:08
BUGabundo!info x-server-xephyr16:09
ubottuPackage x-server-xephyr does not exist in maverick16:09
BUGabundo!info xserver-xephyr16:09
ubottuxserver-xephyr (source: xorg-server): nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.9.0-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 904 kB, installed size 2000 kB16:09
BUGabundoah there we go16:09
BUGabundohow does one use it ?16:09
ali1234same as Xnest pretty much16:09
penguin42BUGabundo: But, stop - why do you want the Xnest/xserver-xephyr16:09
BUGabundoI don't16:09
BUGabundoali1234 recommended it16:10
BUGabundoI just want to access my apps16:10
penguin42BUGabundo: Ah ok; it's just you can chroot into something and export the display back to the existing X server16:10
BUGabundowithout having to muck much of the system16:10
BUGabundotried that, no success16:10
BUGabundoso went with the next step: xnest16:10
penguin42ok16:10
ali1234getting Xauthority right can be tricky16:10
BUGabundoXnest -ac :1 is so easy :P16:11
BUGabundono idea what -ac does16:11
BUGabundonothing in MAN for it16:11
penguin42I think that turns off access control16:12
BUGabundomakes sense16:12
DaekdroomBleh, has anyone noticed that messaging-menu no longer tells you which apps among those are open and which aren't?16:12
BUGabundoso, xnest or xephyr ?16:12
BUGabundowhat the key points on both?16:13
penguin42xehpyr is newer and I don't know much about it16:13
BUGabundoahah16:13
BUGabundowill give it a try16:13
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/16:16
BUGabundohere is the lastest version16:16
BUGabundohttp://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/16:16
penguin42BUGabundo: You might want to bindmount /tmp - in particular it has the X socket in which lets export DISPLAY=/tmp16:18
BUGabundook16:19
BUGabundosudo mount --bind /tmp  /media/320/tmp  ?16:19
penguin42promising16:19
penguin42BUGabundo: So does that work?16:36
BUGabundoyep16:40
BUGabundomaking a few improvemtns16:40
BUGabundoadding comments, resolv.conf and spawing xnesty16:40
BUGabundopenguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485020/16:41
penguin42cool16:41
penguin42BUGabundo: One of the things I haven't got my head around is that in recent Ubuntu/Gnome there is a concept of a 'session' that is managed with policykit and friends; and in some of the cases what you really want is a new session16:47
BUGabundotrue16:47
BUGabundobut a nested X is handy too16:47
kklimondaBUGabundo: what are you breaking? :)16:48
BUGabundonothing, yet16:49
BUGabundocheck the pastebin16:49
kklimondaoh, why do you need nested X?16:52
BUGabundoagain?16:53
BUGabundodon't you have a backlog ?16:53
BUGabundoLOL16:53
BUGabundo(2010-08-28 16:02:38) freenode: making a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it16:53
BUGabundo(2010-08-28 16:02:47) freenode: so I can still use what ever I have there and need porting16:53
johnfluxHi all17:05
johnfluxI tried to install KDE 4.5.0  from lucid-backports, and screwed up my system :-D    Now KDE won't start17:06
johnfluxit looks like I only need to update all the packages again, but the trouble is that since I can't login to KDE, I cannot get wireless working17:06
johnfluxand without wireless I can't update the packages..17:07
penguin42johnflux: Hmm an interesting loop!17:08
penguin42johnflux: Can you start kde in failsafe?17:08
kklimondaheh, they have backported a whole kde 4.5 through -backports?17:09
johnfluxpenguin42, I can get krunner and konsole up and running17:09
penguin42I wonder if you can get enough of the network manager stuff17:10
johnfluxpenguin42, it's provided by kde plasmoid...17:10
yofelwell, you'll either need plasma running for wireless or configure it with wpa_supplicant in konsole17:10
kklimondajohnflux: you can configure wireless even from terminal17:11
yofeljohnflux: can you try to start plasma-desktop in krunner and look if there's an error in ~/.xsession-errors ?17:11
johnfluxkklimonda, only by reconfiguring it all manually right?17:11
johnfluxyoasif, I'm current in windows, so I'd have to reboot...17:12
johnfluxbut I found an longish bug report about this17:12
yofelah, well, for wireless, there are a few examples in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ and 'man wpa_supplicant.conf'17:13
yofeljust stop network-manager, run 'wpa_supplicant -i <interface> -c <config file>' and run dhclient once you're connected if you use DHCP17:15
johnfluxyoasif, okay I'll give that a try17:16
johnfluxif I can remember the magic combination to get my wireless to work :-/17:16
yofelwell, first see if you can manually start plasma-desktop and see if it prints any errors17:16
BUGabundopenguin42: kklimonda: stupid question: how can I declare a variable for the mount PATH in that script? so it can be changed only in one place17:17
yofelyoasif: have a cookie...17:17
BUGabundoauff17:17
penguin42BUGabundo: you can always do something like export FOO=/whereever  and later do PATH=$FOO/whatever17:18
BUGabundoso, sudo mount --bind /tmp  $FOO/tmp  ?17:18
penguin42yeh17:19
yoasifyofel, :P17:24
BUGabundopenguin42: here is the current version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485034/17:28
penguin42bb later17:46
knittlhi. i don't have an image on my screen after sleep (using nouveau)18:02
knittlit worked with nvidia, but nvidia is currently broken18:02
BUGabundoAHSHDPDHGPSEIGOSE*GFPEJ*OGD18:06
knittlBUGabundo: your keyboard is broken ;)18:06
BUGabundoseems I can't access copy paste buffer from nested X18:06
BUGabundo:(18:06
BUGabundoali1234: any parameter for Xephyr to work ?18:07
BUGabundo$ chromium-browser18:16
BUGabundo[2600:2600:17000195076:FATAL:base/shared_memory_posix.cc(193)] Creating shared memory in /dev/shm/.org.chromium.dUjVsZ failed. This is frequently caused by incorrect permissions on /dev/shm.  Try 'sudo chmod 777 /dev/shm' to fix.: No such file or directory18:16
BUGabundoAborted (core dumped)18:16
BUGabundohumm18:16
BUGabundosomething isn't okay on my chroot18:16
JohnFluxHey all18:37
JohnFluxI'm using lucid-backports but when I run kdm it says "cannot find greeter"18:39
JohnFluxAny idea what would cause that?18:39
johnfluxWhen I try to run plasma-desktop I get:    symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_plasma-desktop.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Plasma6Corona12mapAnimationENS_8Animator9AnimationES2_18:49
johnfluxThis is using the ubuntu backport version of kde 4.5.018:50
yofeljohnflux: first, since we're talking about lucid let's move to #kubuntu18:50
yofelthis channel is for maverick18:51
johnfluxyes, but it's the backports18:51
johnfluxwhich is kinda maverick :D18:51
yofelwell, then #kubuntu-devel18:51
yofelbut lucid-* is still lucid18:51
yofel4.5 or not18:51
BUGabundoanyone know how to export all extensions of a chromium / chrome browser ?18:57
sdkOn Maverick, is Emerald still used?19:03
yofelwell, it's there, but I don't know if it actually works19:04
sdkI keep hearing that Emerald is goihng the way of the Dodo, but it keeps not happening.19:04
sdkyofel: what takes its place?19:04
yofelno idea, I don't follow gnome news19:04
sdkyofel:  fair enough.  :)19:04
sdkGrr .. very frustrating.  One of the most useful tools for a heavy computer user is the ability to have applications load on login to specific windows, i.e. terminals of a particular geometry in one workspace, browser in another, etc.  Apparently KDE supports that, but all Gnome'll do is set a default so EVERY time you open an app it will start in the same workspace.. Feh.19:12
knittli'd like to provide information about not being able to properly resume after suspend with nouveau (black screen) – where can i get it?19:33
txwikingerIs there anything know about apport not being able to deal with crash files in maverick?19:36
yofelwhat happens?19:39
txwikingerhi yofel19:48
txwikingerit gives an erroe message19:49
txwikingerit gives an error message when opening the crash file19:49
DanaGargh, ubuntu kernel..... give me back my freaking middle button!19:49
txwikingerapport does not support reporting these crashes (assertion error)19:49
yofeltxwikinger: hm, I know that is intentional, but I forgot why19:50
txwikinger maybe you don't want to trace assertion errors?19:51
yofelprobably, iirc has something to do with that xcb assertion where bugs were uselessly reported about it19:52
txwikingerah19:52
yofelbut I might be wrong, can you open the .crash file in an editor and check what the actual assertion error is?19:53
IdleOneont he past few reboots I have received the following error http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html I'm not sure what package to report a bug against or if I even need to, any ideas?19:56
IdleOneon the*19:56
IdleOneif I click reboot anyway the system restarts and there does not seem to be any problems, just not sure what to do about this19:57
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dupondjepolicykit broken ?20:28
dupondjeit keeps asking me to kill it when I try to reboot/shutdown20:29
rick_h_howdy, we're testing the daily iso and found a bug with the builds. Where would I go to figure out how to submit a bug against it/check if it's already filed?20:34
yofeldupondje: IdleOne just posted http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html20:35
rick_h_I would have expected a bug report link here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100828/20:35
yofelrick_h_: well, what's the bug?20:35
IdleOneyofel: what package can I report a bug to concerning policykit?20:35
rick_h_we had to edit a syslinux.cfg file after running usb-creator20:36
* greg-g waves20:36
rick_h_in order for the usb device to boot20:36
rick_h_so not really on a package installed/run per-se20:36
yofelrick_h_: ah wait, sounds familiar20:36
yofelbug 608382 ?20:36
rick_h_yea, it seems like everyong would have run into it, but trying to be good little ubj-ers20:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608382 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Maverick images build on lucid fail to boot - different syslinux version" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60838220:36
greg-gprobably should, there was a forums post about it20:36
greg-gyeah, that looks like it20:37
yofelrick_h_: and for reporting bugs follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs in general and come to #ubuntu-bugs if you have more questions20:37
rick_h_yea, that's the one20:37
rick_h_does it make any sense to add some text to the daily iso page for helping users get started with reporting bugs?20:37
yofelIdleOne: there is policykit-1 but I'm not sure if that's the right one20:38
IdleOneyofel: I tried that and got back an error saying the package does not exist20:39
IdleOnelet me try again to make sure20:39
yofelrick_h_: not sure, usually people know that bugs should be filed on Launchpad20:39
IdleOnehmm now it works20:39
IdleOnethank yofel20:39
MarkDudedupondje, - YES, policykit is a known bug. The way it prevents shutdown20:44
dupondjeis there a bugreport about it ?20:45
IdleOnedupondje: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/62381920:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 623819 in policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] policykit is not responding" [Medium,Triaged]20:46
* penguin42 yawns21:25
* penguin42 has spent the day at a local Ubuntu meet up21:26
jpdsWas it that bad?21:31
penguin42no, it was very good - I'm just rather tired now21:32
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/61259121:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 612591 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] Kernel treats 3-button touchpad as 1-button ClickPad" [Undecided,New]21:33
DanaGargh, give me back my freaking middle button, Ubuntu!21:33
jpdsDanaG: Erm, it currently is freaking out, isn't that the problem?21:34
DanaG"it"?   What's "it"?21:35
Dinkhmm where can I find more info on a bug. Every time I try to open/save a doc in oowriter I get an "Illegal instruction (core dumped)"21:35
bjsniderDanaG, don't you have that bug during every release cycle?21:35
penguin42Dink: apport or gdb should get you a backtrace especially if you install the -dbgsym packages, however it's still hard to track an OOo bug down21:35
DanaGNope, that bug is new.21:36
DanaGIt's saying "ClickPad Mode Enabled"... and thus treating my middle button as a left button.21:36
DanaGThat trips me up 100% of the time I try to open a link in a new tab.21:36
bjsnideryou didn't have a huge touchpad problem in the lucid cycle?21:36
penguin42DanaG: I've had a few weirdo touchpad issues in the last few weeks; it seems happyish at the moment21:36
DanaGA problem I had last time (and still have) was with my other system, a netbook -- the touchpad "spazzing" all over the screen.21:37
DanaGIt seems to happen less frequently now.21:37
Dinkpenguin42, nothing gets triggered. I only noticed that message when I ran it via cli21:37
penguin42Dink: you could try running it in gdb, or you might find that apport has dropped a log in /var/crash21:38
Dinkahh there it goes thanks21:39
DanaGI have tons of my bugs that have had zero comments this whole time.21:40
DanaGOr rather, most of my bug reports this cycle seem to have been ignored.21:40
penguin42DanaG: Want to share some? I'm happy to see if I also see them21:40
yofelfor kernel bugs that's not really surprising, there are too few developers for too many bugs21:40
penguin42it's true for most; you have to be pretty lucky to get them looked at21:41
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/~danagoyette21:41
yofelyeah, but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~danagoyette/+reportedbugs lists only 6 and at least one is confirmed :P21:43
penguin42DanaG: Have you got your Xorg.0.log to attach to the clickpad one?21:43
yofelI have unanswered ones too, so don't be unhappy https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+reportedbugs21:44
DanaGIt's a kernel bug, not an Xorg bug.21:44
DanaGSame issue happens even with evtest at console.21:44
penguin42https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-treblig/+reportedbugs21:44
DanaGhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/33208121:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 332081 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Panel volume icon state changes to "mute" when volume reaches zero" [Low,New]21:44
DanaGAnd this one, I even attached a patch for.21:44
penguin42your extace one seems to have a fix for21:47
penguin42yofel: Your 'every second time it boots' one is great on console misalignment21:50
yofelplease don't ask me, that's what happened, and I rebooted over a dozen times...21:50
penguin42yeh, its a kind of fun bug21:51
* penguin42 drops a pin22:49
* charlie-tca can't hear the pin drop23:01
* BUGabundo cleans charlie-tca ears with a 20" pole23:02
DinkIs there a way to stop mutter from trying to maximize everything I open ?23:09
Dinkerr Unity23:10
BUGabundono23:10
BUGabundoat least not from design23:10
DanaGargh, stupid mtools... I tried to name a fat16 volume angstrom-boot, it instead made it ANGSTROM-BO23:27
DanaGWHY HELLO THERE, CAPS!23:27
penguin42ah technology23:42

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