[00:17] Anyone knows what 10.10 will be like? [00:17] Best feature? [00:17] !best [00:17] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [00:18] Worst feature? [00:19] can some epxlain me how to use the StreamSerialiser in Terrain::load [00:19] http://www.ogre3d.org/docs/api/html/classOgre_1_1Terrain.html#ae3fc60c0f8350b4872323ddf258d922d [00:19] i want to parse terrain data from my internal format to Ogre [00:21] oh sorry wrong channel ;) === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [02:59] I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine? [03:19] Damn, room's dead. [03:21] Eh, sorry for the repost, but someone new is in the room, and nobody's talking: I'm getting 25% packet loss on multiple different wireless networks. Any approaches to figure out what's going on with my machine? [03:43] Note for anyone else who reads this and is having problems with maverick intel wifi: Install compat-wireless, it fixes this bug. [04:34] with this new updates putting in whenever i shutdown i get policy kit still running ....with 3 boxes shutdown anyways...wait... any idea what that could be [04:46] gettin the following error when i am trying to remove the old kernals http://paste.ubuntu.com/484790/ any suggestions [04:53] how to update from 10.4 without reinstaled? [04:59] eightball, rephrase your question pls [05:08] eightball: 10.10 is still alpha and not stable. it is not recommended you upgrade until the official release. [05:08] Any non-UK folks trying to sync maverick images ? It's extremely slow, and has been all afternoon, was just wondering if anyone else seeing that also. [05:08] i know when it is relese in oct which is almost a month a way ? [05:08] oct 10 2010 [05:09] ok [05:09] on that date or later when i download it how to upgrade it? [05:10] eightball: Beta-3 is coming out next week, you can download and have a preview of what's in store for 10-10. [05:10] when it is released the upgrade manager will offer to upgrade for you [05:11] ok so the upgrade manger takes care of every thing? [05:11] sorry still new to ubuntu [05:12] will SSD work ? [05:24] ARGH, stupid Ubuntu kernel... makes my middle button not work. [05:24] So, to press my middle button... I have to press my middle button AND my right button! [05:26] DanaG tht sounds like a real pain in the u know wht [05:26] yeah. [05:26] Hmm, try GL2 output in mplayer, perhaps. [05:28] er, wrong tab. [05:30] lol === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [07:48] Say, anyone know if GMA950 can accelerate ANY codec with va-api? === standa is now known as stbulicek === stbulicek is now known as stbulicek_ === stbulicek_ is now known as stbulicek [08:59] argh, ubuntu... my middle button is not a freaking left button! [09:02] It's really, really really annoying... every single time I try to middle-click a link to open it in a new tab, it instead left-clicks and opens in the current tabl! [09:02] tab! [09:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591 [09:03] Launchpad bug 612591 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] Kernel treats 3-button touchpad as 1-button ClickPad" [Undecided,New] [09:24] AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH, HULK SMASH. [09:24] GIVE ME BACK MY MIDDLE BUTTON! === yofel_ is now known as yofel === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [11:43] * penguin42 yawns at the Ucubed event in Manchester [11:59] evolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help? [12:19] evolution keep start up on the contacts page instead of the mail page any one can help? [14:07] afternoon friends [14:08] what's the bug for the power policy agent that gets stuck? [14:08] I always have to kill it on shutdown [14:30] does it make any sense to "spin off" ssd disks? [15:55] is it recommend to bind mount /dev/pts to do a chroot with xnest? [15:56] when you say a chroot with xnest what do you mean? xnest is not necessarily related to chroots [15:57] oh no ? [15:57] so how do you launch apps ? [16:01] BUGabundo: Well you can start an Xnest and then from outside the Xnest you can do something like export DISPLAY=:1 xterm & [16:02] BUGabundo: But there are also ways of starting new gnome sessions which is a tad harder [16:02] yeah [16:02] that's what I'm doing [16:02] making a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it [16:02] so I can still use what ever I have there and need porting [16:03] looking at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot [16:03] you should mount /dev/pts when chrooting [16:03] * penguin42 looks [16:04] ali1234: thanks [16:04] then the wiki needs editing [16:04] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD [16:04] you should probably mount /sys as well [16:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/484999/ [16:04] here's what I have so far [16:05] no need to bind them all [16:05] mount -t devpts none /media/320/dev/pts [16:05] etc [16:05] BUGabundo: OK, so actually just as a flag these days it's a hell of a lot easier to use a VM rather than a chroot/Xnest [16:06] BUGabundo: But that looks reasonable [16:06] wiki fixed [16:06] penguin42: well, its my old disk [16:07] making it into a VM just to start kmail or firefox is a bit overkill [16:07] i agree [16:07] you don't need the Xnest though [16:08] also Xephyr is better than Xnest :) [16:08] wait [16:08] What? [16:08] !info Xephyr [16:08] Package Xephyr does not exist in maverick [16:08] !info xephyr [16:08] Package xephyr does not exist in maverick [16:08] xserver-xephyr [16:09] !info x-server-xephyr [16:09] Package x-server-xephyr does not exist in maverick [16:09] !info xserver-xephyr [16:09] xserver-xephyr (source: xorg-server): nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.9.0-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 904 kB, installed size 2000 kB [16:09] ah there we go [16:09] how does one use it ? [16:09] same as Xnest pretty much [16:09] BUGabundo: But, stop - why do you want the Xnest/xserver-xephyr [16:09] I don't [16:10] ali1234 recommended it [16:10] I just want to access my apps [16:10] BUGabundo: Ah ok; it's just you can chroot into something and export the display back to the existing X server [16:10] without having to muck much of the system [16:10] tried that, no success [16:10] so went with the next step: xnest [16:10] ok [16:10] getting Xauthority right can be tricky [16:11] Xnest -ac :1 is so easy :P [16:11] no idea what -ac does [16:11] nothing in MAN for it [16:12] I think that turns off access control [16:12] makes sense [16:12] Bleh, has anyone noticed that messaging-menu no longer tells you which apps among those are open and which aren't? [16:12] so, xnest or xephyr ? [16:13] what the key points on both? [16:13] xehpyr is newer and I don't know much about it [16:13] ahah [16:13] will give it a try [16:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/ [16:16] here is the lastest version [16:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/485006/ [16:18] BUGabundo: You might want to bindmount /tmp - in particular it has the X socket in which lets export DISPLAY=/tmp [16:19] ok [16:19] sudo mount --bind /tmp /media/320/tmp ? [16:19] promising [16:36] BUGabundo: So does that work? [16:40] yep [16:40] making a few improvemtns [16:40] adding comments, resolv.conf and spawing xnesty [16:41] penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485020/ [16:41] cool [16:47] BUGabundo: One of the things I haven't got my head around is that in recent Ubuntu/Gnome there is a concept of a 'session' that is managed with policykit and friends; and in some of the cases what you really want is a new session [16:47] true [16:47] but a nested X is handy too [16:48] BUGabundo: what are you breaking? :) [16:49] nothing, yet [16:49] check the pastebin [16:52] oh, why do you need nested X? [16:53] again? [16:53] don't you have a backlog ? [16:53] LOL [16:53] (2010-08-28 16:02:38) freenode: making a small script to bind my old disk and then xnest it [16:53] (2010-08-28 16:02:47) freenode: so I can still use what ever I have there and need porting [17:05] Hi all [17:06] I tried to install KDE 4.5.0 from lucid-backports, and screwed up my system :-D Now KDE won't start [17:06] it looks like I only need to update all the packages again, but the trouble is that since I can't login to KDE, I cannot get wireless working [17:07] and without wireless I can't update the packages.. [17:08] johnflux: Hmm an interesting loop! [17:08] johnflux: Can you start kde in failsafe? [17:09] heh, they have backported a whole kde 4.5 through -backports? [17:09] penguin42, I can get krunner and konsole up and running [17:10] I wonder if you can get enough of the network manager stuff [17:10] penguin42, it's provided by kde plasmoid... [17:10] well, you'll either need plasma running for wireless or configure it with wpa_supplicant in konsole [17:11] johnflux: you can configure wireless even from terminal [17:11] johnflux: can you try to start plasma-desktop in krunner and look if there's an error in ~/.xsession-errors ? [17:11] kklimonda, only by reconfiguring it all manually right? [17:12] yoasif, I'm current in windows, so I'd have to reboot... [17:12] but I found an longish bug report about this [17:13] ah, well, for wireless, there are a few examples in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ and 'man wpa_supplicant.conf' [17:15] just stop network-manager, run 'wpa_supplicant -i -c ' and run dhclient once you're connected if you use DHCP [17:16] yoasif, okay I'll give that a try [17:16] if I can remember the magic combination to get my wireless to work :-/ [17:16] well, first see if you can manually start plasma-desktop and see if it prints any errors [17:17] penguin42: kklimonda: stupid question: how can I declare a variable for the mount PATH in that script? so it can be changed only in one place [17:17] yoasif: have a cookie... [17:17] auff [17:18] BUGabundo: you can always do something like export FOO=/whereever and later do PATH=$FOO/whatever [17:18] so, sudo mount --bind /tmp $FOO/tmp ? [17:19] yeh [17:24] yofel, :P [17:28] penguin42: here is the current version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485034/ [17:46] bb later [18:02] hi. i don't have an image on my screen after sleep (using nouveau) [18:02] it worked with nvidia, but nvidia is currently broken [18:06] AHSHDPDHGPSEIGOSE*GFPEJ*OGD [18:06] BUGabundo: your keyboard is broken ;) [18:06] seems I can't access copy paste buffer from nested X [18:06] :( [18:07] ali1234: any parameter for Xephyr to work ? [18:16] $ chromium-browser [18:16] [2600:2600:17000195076:FATAL:base/shared_memory_posix.cc(193)] Creating shared memory in /dev/shm/.org.chromium.dUjVsZ failed. This is frequently caused by incorrect permissions on /dev/shm. Try 'sudo chmod 777 /dev/shm' to fix.: No such file or directory [18:16] Aborted (core dumped) [18:16] humm [18:16] something isn't okay on my chroot [18:37] Hey all [18:39] I'm using lucid-backports but when I run kdm it says "cannot find greeter" [18:39] Any idea what would cause that? [18:49] When I try to run plasma-desktop I get: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_plasma-desktop.so: undefined symbol: _ZN6Plasma6Corona12mapAnimationENS_8Animator9AnimationES2_ [18:50] This is using the ubuntu backport version of kde 4.5.0 [18:50] johnflux: first, since we're talking about lucid let's move to #kubuntu [18:51] this channel is for maverick [18:51] yes, but it's the backports [18:51] which is kinda maverick :D [18:51] well, then #kubuntu-devel [18:51] but lucid-* is still lucid [18:51] 4.5 or not [18:57] anyone know how to export all extensions of a chromium / chrome browser ? [19:03] On Maverick, is Emerald still used? [19:04] well, it's there, but I don't know if it actually works [19:04] I keep hearing that Emerald is goihng the way of the Dodo, but it keeps not happening. [19:04] yofel: what takes its place? [19:04] no idea, I don't follow gnome news [19:04] yofel: fair enough. :) [19:12] Grr .. very frustrating. One of the most useful tools for a heavy computer user is the ability to have applications load on login to specific windows, i.e. terminals of a particular geometry in one workspace, browser in another, etc. Apparently KDE supports that, but all Gnome'll do is set a default so EVERY time you open an app it will start in the same workspace.. Feh. [19:33] i'd like to provide information about not being able to properly resume after suspend with nouveau (black screen) – where can i get it? [19:36] Is there anything know about apport not being able to deal with crash files in maverick? [19:39] what happens? [19:48] hi yofel [19:49] it gives an erroe message [19:49] it gives an error message when opening the crash file [19:49] argh, ubuntu kernel..... give me back my freaking middle button! [19:49] apport does not support reporting these crashes (assertion error) [19:50] txwikinger: hm, I know that is intentional, but I forgot why [19:51] maybe you don't want to trace assertion errors? [19:52] probably, iirc has something to do with that xcb assertion where bugs were uselessly reported about it [19:52] ah [19:53] but I might be wrong, can you open the .crash file in an editor and check what the actual assertion error is? [19:56] ont he past few reboots I have received the following error http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html I'm not sure what package to report a bug against or if I even need to, any ideas? [19:56] on the* [19:57] if I click reboot anyway the system restarts and there does not seem to be any problems, just not sure what to do about this === 31NABCMDC is now known as uRock [20:28] policykit broken ? [20:29] it keeps asking me to kill it when I try to reboot/shutdown [20:34] howdy, we're testing the daily iso and found a bug with the builds. Where would I go to figure out how to submit a bug against it/check if it's already filed? [20:35] dupondje: IdleOne just posted http://imagebin.ca/view/wpiA1zQM.html [20:35] I would have expected a bug report link here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100828/ [20:35] rick_h_: well, what's the bug? [20:35] yofel: what package can I report a bug to concerning policykit? [20:36] we had to edit a syslinux.cfg file after running usb-creator [20:36] * greg-g waves [20:36] in order for the usb device to boot [20:36] so not really on a package installed/run per-se [20:36] rick_h_: ah wait, sounds familiar [20:36] bug 608382 ? [20:36] yea, it seems like everyong would have run into it, but trying to be good little ubj-ers [20:36] Launchpad bug 608382 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Maverick images build on lucid fail to boot - different syslinux version" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608382 [20:36] probably should, there was a forums post about it [20:37] yeah, that looks like it [20:37] rick_h_: and for reporting bugs follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs in general and come to #ubuntu-bugs if you have more questions [20:37] yea, that's the one [20:37] does it make any sense to add some text to the daily iso page for helping users get started with reporting bugs? [20:38] IdleOne: there is policykit-1 but I'm not sure if that's the right one [20:39] yofel: I tried that and got back an error saying the package does not exist [20:39] let me try again to make sure [20:39] rick_h_: not sure, usually people know that bugs should be filed on Launchpad [20:39] hmm now it works [20:39] thank yofel [20:44] dupondje, - YES, policykit is a known bug. The way it prevents shutdown [20:45] is there a bugreport about it ? [20:46] dupondje: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/623819 [20:46] Launchpad bug 623819 in policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] policykit is not responding" [Medium,Triaged] [21:25] * penguin42 yawns [21:26] * penguin42 has spent the day at a local Ubuntu meet up [21:31] Was it that bad? [21:32] no, it was very good - I'm just rather tired now [21:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/612591 [21:33] Launchpad bug 612591 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] Kernel treats 3-button touchpad as 1-button ClickPad" [Undecided,New] [21:33] argh, give me back my freaking middle button, Ubuntu! [21:34] DanaG: Erm, it currently is freaking out, isn't that the problem? [21:35] "it"? What's "it"? [21:35] hmm where can I find more info on a bug. Every time I try to open/save a doc in oowriter I get an "Illegal instruction (core dumped)" [21:35] DanaG, don't you have that bug during every release cycle? [21:35] Dink: apport or gdb should get you a backtrace especially if you install the -dbgsym packages, however it's still hard to track an OOo bug down [21:36] Nope, that bug is new. [21:36] It's saying "ClickPad Mode Enabled"... and thus treating my middle button as a left button. [21:36] That trips me up 100% of the time I try to open a link in a new tab. [21:36] you didn't have a huge touchpad problem in the lucid cycle? [21:36] DanaG: I've had a few weirdo touchpad issues in the last few weeks; it seems happyish at the moment [21:37] A problem I had last time (and still have) was with my other system, a netbook -- the touchpad "spazzing" all over the screen. [21:37] It seems to happen less frequently now. [21:37] penguin42, nothing gets triggered. I only noticed that message when I ran it via cli [21:38] Dink: you could try running it in gdb, or you might find that apport has dropped a log in /var/crash [21:39] ahh there it goes thanks [21:40] I have tons of my bugs that have had zero comments this whole time. [21:40] Or rather, most of my bug reports this cycle seem to have been ignored. [21:40] DanaG: Want to share some? I'm happy to see if I also see them [21:40] for kernel bugs that's not really surprising, there are too few developers for too many bugs [21:41] it's true for most; you have to be pretty lucky to get them looked at [21:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~danagoyette [21:43] yeah, but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~danagoyette/+reportedbugs lists only 6 and at least one is confirmed :P [21:43] DanaG: Have you got your Xorg.0.log to attach to the clickpad one? [21:44] I have unanswered ones too, so don't be unhappy https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+reportedbugs [21:44] It's a kernel bug, not an Xorg bug. [21:44] Same issue happens even with evtest at console. [21:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-treblig/+reportedbugs [21:44] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/332081 [21:44] Launchpad bug 332081 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Panel volume icon state changes to "mute" when volume reaches zero" [Low,New] [21:44] And this one, I even attached a patch for. [21:47] your extace one seems to have a fix for [21:50] yofel: Your 'every second time it boots' one is great on console misalignment [21:50] please don't ask me, that's what happened, and I rebooted over a dozen times... [21:51] yeh, its a kind of fun bug [22:49] * penguin42 drops a pin [23:01] * charlie-tca can't hear the pin drop [23:02] * BUGabundo cleans charlie-tca ears with a 20" pole [23:09] Is there a way to stop mutter from trying to maximize everything I open ? [23:10] err Unity [23:10] no [23:10] at least not from design [23:27] argh, stupid mtools... I tried to name a fat16 volume angstrom-boot, it instead made it ANGSTROM-BO [23:27] WHY HELLO THERE, CAPS! [23:42] ah technology