[13:47] <AlanBell> hi all
[13:51] <Pendulum> hi AlanBell 
[14:20] <AlanBell> ok, so how are we doing these personas then?
[14:29] <Pendulum> let me look at the most up to date list and then I'll give you my ideas
[14:29] <Pendulum> (sorry, still waking up/doing breakfast/etc. here)
[14:35] <AlanBell> oh, there have been three more submissions
[14:36] <AlanBell> actually two sensible ones
[14:45] <Pendulum> \o/
[14:45] <Pendulum> do you want to add them in and then e-mail at least to me?
[15:12] <AlanBell> once we know what we are doing I will try and grab some extra helpers
[15:12] <Pendulum> I think the first thing we do is just group in terms of impairment
[15:20] <AlanBell> ok
[15:22] <Pendulum> the real reason to do this today is less a matter of it will take a lot of time so needs lots of people and more that I want to make sure we're all working off the same things and have the same spreadsheet :)
[15:22] <AlanBell> so there are a couple of deaf users, 1, 16, 27
[15:22] <AlanBell> a number of blind/vision impaired users
[15:23] <Pendulum> do any of them have other impairments? (multiple impairments are what will make this tricky)
[15:23] <AlanBell> yes
[15:23] <AlanBell> and I would expect the personas to have multiple impairments
[15:24] <Pendulum> or at least some of them
[15:24] <Pendulum> okay, let's do the easiest bits first
[15:24] <AlanBell> there are some users with mobility/strength/control issues
[15:26] <Pendulum> well I'm just thinking first we pull out the people who have a single impariment and group them
[15:26] <Pendulum> then we figure out how to group the people with multiple impairments
[15:27] <AlanBell> ok, I am just going to close the survey, don't want anyone else responding and wasting their time
[15:27] <Pendulum> ok
[15:27] <Pendulum> so 1 & 27 definitely go together because they're both deaf only
[15:31] <Pendulum> number 4 doesn't have any impairment info and doesn't seem to use accessibility software or hardware really
[15:31] <Pendulum> which to me means it should probably be taken out?
[15:32] <Pendulum> it's great that said person loves Ubuntu, but they don't really give us information useful to us
[15:35] <Pendulum> hiya charlie-tca 
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Hello, Pendulum 
[15:35] <charlie-tca> power issues today here
[15:35] <Pendulum> how're you?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Doing great! and you?
[15:36] <AlanBell> yeah, I should have skipped number 4
[15:38] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: i'm swimming along ;-)
[15:40] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Hoping to have things running long enough this weekend to hit the wiki, too
[15:40] <Pendulum> :)
[15:45] <AlanBell> I have re-ordered my rows a bit
[15:45] <Pendulum> okay
[15:45] <Pendulum> can you list out the new order by persona #?
[15:45] <Pendulum> err... peron
[15:45] <Pendulum> *person
[15:46] <Pendulum> or response number
[15:46] <Pendulum> or whatever the heck we're calling it that my brain isn't finding the word for?
[15:47] <AlanBell> 3, 5, 11, 16,20,21,22,26 are all partially sighted or blind
[15:47] <AlanBell> however that is two totally separate things really
[15:48] <Pendulum> it is, but putting them together to begin with makes sense
[15:48] <Pendulum> we can break down further once we've got initial breakdown done :)
[15:48] <AlanBell> 27 and 1 are deaf, and there are some interesting aspects to that like subtitles
[15:48] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:48] <Pendulum> and visual notification
[15:49] <AlanBell> and video chat
[15:49] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:49] <Pendulum> too bad MichelleQ and maco aren't here :P
[15:49] <AlanBell> and wanting more people to understand sign language
[15:50] <AlanBell> the rest are broadly speaking mobility related
[15:50] <AlanBell> things like hand strength and control
[15:51] <Pendulum> yeah
[15:51] <Pendulum> well and we have a couple people with learning difficulties/disabilities
[15:51] <Pendulum> one with motor + dyspraxia & dyslexia and #2 I think was cognitive in similar sort of ways
[15:51] <AlanBell> yes, memory difficulties
[15:54] <AlanBell> oh, 2 and 18 are the same
[15:54] <AlanBell> do hope they didn't actually forget they had done it the first time
[15:56] <AlanBell> looks like a double press of the submit button or something
[16:00] <Pendulum> *nods*
[16:01] <AlanBell> are there any impairments not represented in the responses?
[16:04] <Pendulum> mental illness, but I suspect people with mental illness are less likely to need adaptions
[16:05] <Pendulum> I wish we had more learning/cognitive, but we have some
[16:09] <AlanBell> no mention of autism
[16:10] <Pendulum> yeah
[16:10] <AlanBell> I did describe myself as "almost neurotypical" in the test post that I deleted
[16:10] <Pendulum> heh
[16:11] <Pendulum> btw, one of the ones in the VI/blind group is actually also mobility impaired, he just barely mentions it
[16:12] <AlanBell> ok, so how many personas can we boil this down to?
[16:12] <Pendulum> I'd like to see if we can boil down to 5ish
[16:12] <Pendulum> but it may take 6 or 7
[16:12] <AlanBell> deaf, partially sighted, blind, mobility, cognitive?
[16:12] <Pendulum> yeah
[16:12] <Pendulum> that was my initial thought
[16:13] <AlanBell> as principal impairments, with a bit of overlap
[16:13] <Pendulum> right
[16:13] <Pendulum> I mean, having the partially sighted also have hearing loss, would make sense as a bit of overlap
[16:14] <Pendulum> (for example)
[16:14] <AlanBell> should also have a range of ages
[16:14] <AlanBell> maybe one quite elderly
[16:15] <Pendulum> yeah
[16:15] <Pendulum> ranging to kids
[16:15] <Pendulum> or, a kid
[16:15] <Pendulum> rather
[16:16] <Pendulum> sorry, I'm doing a lot of lack of brain function today
[16:16] <AlanBell> one or two rather successful in what they are doing (in business, sport or something)
[16:17] <Pendulum> at least one who works as a programmer or sysadmin or something similar
[16:17] <AlanBell> they need to be awesome people that we want to help
[16:17] <Pendulum> yes!
[16:18] <AlanBell> what countries do they live in?
[16:19] <Pendulum> hmm... good question
[16:19] <Pendulum> tbh, I'm not even sure we need to answer all these questions today
[16:21] <Pendulum> my main goal for the personas was to get things grouped and sorted so that we had a starting point and then hopefully can get people to commit to working on one persona
[16:23] <Pendulum> AlanBell: what hours would be good for you for a meeting on Wednesday?
[16:24] <Pendulum> nigelb: ping
[16:27] <Pendulum> (or any other day of the week, I'm flexible other than not being able to do anything after about 19:00 on Monday and Wednesday)
[16:30] <AlanBell> I am pretty good all day on wednesday
[17:00] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: are you interested in working on the personas?
[17:13] <Pendulum> ooh... this is cool http://www.frostbitesystems.com/
[17:14] <Pendulum> oh, nevermind, it seems they already do
[17:14] <Pendulum> they just don't have Ubuntu on their list
[17:14] <Pendulum> bah, wrong channel
[17:14] <Pendulum> but the frostbite systems link is for us
[17:15] <Pendulum> they sell systems running Linxu and optimised for people who are VI or blind
[17:15] <Pendulum> *Linux
[17:16] <Pendulum> and they do do Ubuntu installs
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: I don't think I can
[18:30] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: no worries :) was just curious
[20:35] <maco> im awake now what happened?
[20:35] <Pendulum> maco: I can't remember. something about deafness :P
[23:50] <AlanBell> I am awake too
[23:51] <Pendulum> AlanBell: why are you awake, it's late for you :P
[23:51] <AlanBell> beer is keeping me awake
[23:51] <Pendulum> heh
[23:51] <Pendulum> good reason
[23:51] <AlanBell> just got back from the pub with theopensourcerer
[23:52] <Pendulum> :)