[13:47] hi all [13:51] hi AlanBell [14:20] ok, so how are we doing these personas then? [14:29] let me look at the most up to date list and then I'll give you my ideas [14:29] (sorry, still waking up/doing breakfast/etc. here) [14:35] oh, there have been three more submissions [14:36] actually two sensible ones [14:45] \o/ [14:45] do you want to add them in and then e-mail at least to me? [15:12] once we know what we are doing I will try and grab some extra helpers [15:12] I think the first thing we do is just group in terms of impairment [15:20] ok [15:22] the real reason to do this today is less a matter of it will take a lot of time so needs lots of people and more that I want to make sure we're all working off the same things and have the same spreadsheet :) [15:22] so there are a couple of deaf users, 1, 16, 27 [15:22] a number of blind/vision impaired users [15:23] do any of them have other impairments? (multiple impairments are what will make this tricky) [15:23] yes [15:23] and I would expect the personas to have multiple impairments [15:24] or at least some of them [15:24] okay, let's do the easiest bits first [15:24] there are some users with mobility/strength/control issues [15:26] well I'm just thinking first we pull out the people who have a single impariment and group them [15:26] then we figure out how to group the people with multiple impairments [15:27] ok, I am just going to close the survey, don't want anyone else responding and wasting their time [15:27] ok [15:27] so 1 & 27 definitely go together because they're both deaf only [15:31] number 4 doesn't have any impairment info and doesn't seem to use accessibility software or hardware really [15:31] which to me means it should probably be taken out? [15:32] it's great that said person loves Ubuntu, but they don't really give us information useful to us [15:35] hiya charlie-tca [15:35] Hello, Pendulum [15:35] power issues today here [15:35] how're you? [15:36] Doing great! and you? [15:36] yeah, I should have skipped number 4 [15:38] charlie-tca: i'm swimming along ;-) [15:40] heh [15:40] Hoping to have things running long enough this weekend to hit the wiki, too [15:40] :) [15:45] I have re-ordered my rows a bit [15:45] okay [15:45] can you list out the new order by persona #? [15:45] err... peron [15:45] *person [15:46] or response number [15:46] or whatever the heck we're calling it that my brain isn't finding the word for? [15:47] 3, 5, 11, 16,20,21,22,26 are all partially sighted or blind [15:47] however that is two totally separate things really [15:48] it is, but putting them together to begin with makes sense [15:48] we can break down further once we've got initial breakdown done :) [15:48] 27 and 1 are deaf, and there are some interesting aspects to that like subtitles [15:48] yeah [15:48] and visual notification [15:49] and video chat [15:49] yeah [15:49] too bad MichelleQ and maco aren't here :P [15:49] and wanting more people to understand sign language [15:50] the rest are broadly speaking mobility related [15:50] things like hand strength and control [15:51] yeah [15:51] well and we have a couple people with learning difficulties/disabilities [15:51] one with motor + dyspraxia & dyslexia and #2 I think was cognitive in similar sort of ways [15:51] yes, memory difficulties [15:54] oh, 2 and 18 are the same [15:54] do hope they didn't actually forget they had done it the first time [15:56] looks like a double press of the submit button or something [16:00] *nods* [16:01] are there any impairments not represented in the responses? [16:04] mental illness, but I suspect people with mental illness are less likely to need adaptions [16:05] I wish we had more learning/cognitive, but we have some [16:09] no mention of autism [16:10] yeah [16:10] I did describe myself as "almost neurotypical" in the test post that I deleted [16:10] heh [16:11] btw, one of the ones in the VI/blind group is actually also mobility impaired, he just barely mentions it [16:12] ok, so how many personas can we boil this down to? [16:12] I'd like to see if we can boil down to 5ish [16:12] but it may take 6 or 7 [16:12] deaf, partially sighted, blind, mobility, cognitive? [16:12] yeah [16:12] that was my initial thought [16:13] as principal impairments, with a bit of overlap [16:13] right [16:13] I mean, having the partially sighted also have hearing loss, would make sense as a bit of overlap [16:14] (for example) [16:14] should also have a range of ages [16:14] maybe one quite elderly [16:15] yeah [16:15] ranging to kids [16:15] or, a kid [16:15] rather [16:16] sorry, I'm doing a lot of lack of brain function today [16:16] one or two rather successful in what they are doing (in business, sport or something) [16:17] at least one who works as a programmer or sysadmin or something similar [16:17] they need to be awesome people that we want to help [16:17] yes! [16:18] what countries do they live in? [16:19] hmm... good question [16:19] tbh, I'm not even sure we need to answer all these questions today [16:21] my main goal for the personas was to get things grouped and sorted so that we had a starting point and then hopefully can get people to commit to working on one persona [16:23] AlanBell: what hours would be good for you for a meeting on Wednesday? [16:24] nigelb: ping [16:27] (or any other day of the week, I'm flexible other than not being able to do anything after about 19:00 on Monday and Wednesday) [16:30] I am pretty good all day on wednesday [17:00] charlie-tca: are you interested in working on the personas? [17:13] ooh... this is cool http://www.frostbitesystems.com/ [17:14] oh, nevermind, it seems they already do [17:14] they just don't have Ubuntu on their list [17:14] bah, wrong channel [17:14] but the frostbite systems link is for us [17:15] they sell systems running Linxu and optimised for people who are VI or blind [17:15] *Linux [17:16] and they do do Ubuntu installs [18:25] Pendulum: I don't think I can [18:30] charlie-tca: no worries :) was just curious [20:35] im awake now what happened? [20:35] maco: I can't remember. something about deafness :P [23:50] I am awake too [23:51] AlanBell: why are you awake, it's late for you :P [23:51] beer is keeping me awake [23:51] heh [23:51] good reason [23:51] just got back from the pub with theopensourcerer [23:52] :)