[01:36] <jpds> 01:32:17 < Psi-Jack> !ops WitBier and Hopsa == Known troll.
[01:36] <jpds> -server
[01:37] <jpds> Flannel: IT isn't that strange actually.
[06:45] <bazhang> !idle | kron|k
[09:02] <ikonia> !ops | kron|k again idle in the channel without being active
[09:03] <ikonia> I'll look for whatever is forwarding him here and turn it to a straight ban
[09:06] <IdleOne> ikonia: I changed it to a straight ban
[09:06] <ikonia> thank you
[09:06] <ikonia> was there a forward that got removed ?
[09:07] <IdleOne> Can someone please remove kron|k until he is ready to be return and discuss his ban
[09:07] <IdleOne> ikonia: yes I removed the forward
[09:07] <ikonia> cool
[09:16] <Mamarok> he is apparently idling since 16+ hours
[09:17] <persia> But has only been here for ~10 hours: there was some cycle that caused the forward to redirect here.
[09:19] <Mamarok> still way too long IMHO
[09:20] <Mamarok> wow, 17 minutes since ops call...
[09:20] <ikonia> please remove him
[09:20] <ikonia> persia: do you see Seeker`'s point from yesterday 17 minutes since an op call
[09:21] <Mamarok> apparently no ops active, and all teh active ones aren't ops here
[09:21] <persia> I'd be more convinced if we had any supplicants needing handling in the meantime.
[09:21] <ikonia> persia: really ?
[09:21] <ikonia> so if a user is doing
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <persia> But as I said yesterday, I'm not opposed to more ops here, if there is a need for more coverage.
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <Mamarok> ikonia: you will get banned :)
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:21] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <ikonia> a
[09:22] <IdleOne> doesn't look like it
[09:22] <ikonia> aa
[09:22] <ikonia> as often happens
[09:22] <ikonia> I won't
[09:22] <ikonia> no-one is here
[09:22] <Mamarok> 20 minutes since op call...
[09:22] <ikonia> it's not urgent as the guy is doing no harm, however it does highlight Seeker`'s point
[09:22] <Mamarok> yep
[09:23] <persia> But since we don't have any misbehaving users (except ikonia who is failing to provoke me, and on-topic with the pointless traffic, amusingly), and we don't have any business with which we'd prefer not to be interrupted, I'm just not sure how it matters.
[09:23] <ikonia> persia: I'm not trying to provoke you
[09:23] <persia> I agree that we've exposed a lack of coverage.  I'm just not sure that it doesn't happen to be OK this time.
[09:24] <ikonia> it's not an issue at this time
[09:24] <Mamarok> no, I don't see why there is no op reaction after a call, that's the point
[09:24] <ikonia> there is no issue
[09:24] <Mamarok> urgent or not
[09:24] <persia> Oh.  I thought you wanted me to interrupt your
[09:24] <persia> a
[09:24] <persia> a
[09:24] <persia> a
[09:24] <ikonia> however I called the ops and no-one responded to it
[09:24] <persia> ...
[09:24] <ikonia> if that HAD have been an issue, it would still be going on
[09:24] <persia> Agreed.
[09:24] <Mamarok> likely
[09:24] <Mamarok> 22 minutes...
[09:25] <ikonia> I think we get the point, I'll stop the clock
[09:25] <IdleOne> there is an issue, the issue is there is a no idling policy in this channel if we let this user idle then we may as well let everybody.
[09:25] <persia> can't.  We all have logs of the op call.
[09:25] <Mamarok> IdleOne: +1
[09:25] <ikonia> IdleOne: agreed, however it's actually causing an "issue"
[09:26] <persia> 23 minutes is perhaps slow, but not extremely so, given regular levels of noise in the channel.
[09:26] <Mamarok> topyli: thank you :)
[09:26] <IdleOne> thanks topyli
[09:31] <NuclearStr1der> I've been banned on #ubuntu , but I have no idea why. I haven't even used FreeNode before today.
[09:34] <Mamarok> @login
[09:34] <Mamarok> @btlogin
[09:38] <Mamarok> I don't see any bans, are you sure?
[09:38] <IdleOne> Mamarok: 27482
[09:38] <Mamarok> hm
[09:38] <IdleOne> the ban seems to be a little to wide
[09:39] <ikonia> time to remove that probably
[09:39] <ikonia> it's quite old
[09:39] <Mamarok> apparently yes
[09:39] <IdleOne> yeah
[09:39] <IdleOne> you got it?
[09:39] <ikonia> however there are ISP's that are used for serious issues/attacks
[09:39] <ikonia> maybe worth checking it's not one of them
[09:39] <IdleOne> or shall I
[09:39] <ikonia> just doing a little research first
[09:39] <IdleOne> k
[09:42] <persia> I'm not sure that NuclearStr1der ever understood that the query was being investigated
[09:43] <IdleOne> ikonia: search padza in BT
[09:43] <IdleOne> also padxa
[09:43] <IdleOne> many many ban evasions
[09:52] <bazhang> the link dilberto posted is quite offensive
[09:52] <elky> persia, someone will contact him when a resolution is made
[09:52] <bazhang> also his quit message
[09:58] <persia> Ah cool.  I'm glad procedure covers that.
[09:59] <bazhang> this is the gnaa troll quit message: Haiti=Mierda
[10:00] <elky> bazhang, dilberto?
[10:00] <bazhang> elky, yes
[10:01] <topyli> i have it in pm, he claims he doesn't know how to set a quit message
[10:01] <bazhang> guess we have to wait til he quits again to ban forward here
[10:02] <topyli> makes you wonder how he set it in the first place
[10:02] <bazhang> he's lying
[10:03] <topyli> of course
[10:06] <MichealH> Hello?
[10:06] <bazhang> MichealH, hi
[10:07] <bazhang> MichealH, something you needed help with?
[10:09] <MichealH> There was something last night
[10:10] <MichealH> I came in here
[10:10] <bazhang> MichealH, right, -youth?
[10:10] <MichealH> Yes
[10:10] <bazhang> MichealH, wrong channel. try #ubuntu-irc
[10:10] <MichealH> kay
[10:11] <MichealH> Thanks fro the help
[10:11] <bazhang> MichealH, welcome
[10:13] <bazhang> * [ramnepal] (~prabinmet@151.83.186.91): prabinmetals  how can he get past that ban every time?
[10:14] <bazhang> *prabinmet*!*@*
[10:21] <elky> because you're puting "prabinmet" in the wrong place?
[10:23] <bazhang> *!*prabinmet@*  and *prabinmet!* are two other examples I see in the ban list
[10:26] <elky> find a staffer then I guess
[10:26] <bazhang> well both seem to be in use, just experiment I guess
[13:40]  * marienz isn't sure what to make of seekalana
[13:41] <Seeker`> no idea
[13:41] <Seeker`> as far as I can work out, they were silent for ages, then just went pop
[14:28] <ikonia> hello MichealH
[14:28] <MichealH> Hi
[14:28] <ikonia> how can we help you ?
[14:28] <MichealH> I am not too sure about asking in IRC personally
[14:29] <ikonia> asking what ?
[14:29] <bazhang> MichealH, about -youth?
[14:29] <MichealH> here are people who were involved last night in there and I dont want them to know
[14:29] <MichealH> *there
[14:29] <MichealH> bazhang: Yes
[14:29] <ikonia> am I missing something ?
[14:29] <bazhang> MichealH, its #ubuntu-irc not here.
[14:29] <bazhang> ikonia, he has the wrong channel
[14:29] <ikonia> you told him that earlier though didn't you ?
[14:30] <bazhang> MichealH, I told you this earlier. this channel has nothing to do with that
[14:30] <MichealH> Its just there are people in there who I dont want to know
[14:30] <bazhang> MichealH, #ubuntu-irc please, not here
[14:30] <MichealH> Can it be done via PM in there?
[14:30] <bazhang> MichealH, up to you.
[14:30] <Seeker`> MichealH: who do you not wish to talk to?
[14:30] <ikonia> MichealH: talk in the channel, once an operator responds, ask them to talk in a pm
[14:30] <MichealH> Okay Thanks
[14:31] <MichealH> Seeker`: The people involved... I dont want them to see
[14:31] <Seeker`> Well, they are the ops of -youth?
[14:31] <MichealH> Yes
[14:31] <bazhang> ikonia, yes, he's been told 3 times now
[14:31] <MichealH> I will be going now
[14:31] <Seeker`> they kinda have to be involved if you are looking towards being unbanned
[14:31] <MichealH> Thanks anyway
[14:32] <Seeker`> how does he think he will be unbanned without the -youth ops knowing?
[14:32] <bazhang> no idea
[14:32] <bazhang> -irc is where things are worked out though, not here.
[14:43] <ikonia> oooo jungli ?
[14:56] <bazhang> ikonia, looked like it was jungli
[14:56] <ikonia> it did to me
[14:57] <marienz> oh dear
[14:57] <marienz> where?
[14:57] <ikonia> in #ubuntu
[14:57] <ikonia> but not %100
[14:57] <marienz> nick?
[14:57] <jussi> marienz: could I have a momant of your time?
[14:57] <ikonia> oooo
[14:57] <elky> wait, the guy who started -youth is now banned from it?
[14:57] <ikonia> that doesn't make sense
[14:58] <marienz> jussi: sure
[14:58] <bazhang> seems tyrannical but not our issue
[14:58] <jussi> I thought lhavelund started -youth...
[14:58] <ikonia> this looks a tricky situation
[14:58] <ikonia> jussi: acctually, you're right,
[14:59] <jussi> michealh isnt a bad guy, just a youngun. (12 or so last time I remember him saying)
[14:59] <ikonia> I don't think (from what I'm reading) anyone is saying he's a bad guy, but he won't follow instruction
[15:00] <ikonia> which no matter what his age is, if it causes a disruption to the channel will end in tears
[15:01] <Seeker`> sounds like someone from #kubuntu
[15:02] <Seeker`> cant remember the name though
[15:03] <bazhang> don't think its our issue
[15:03] <Seeker`> no, but will contiunute with bickering until it is sorted
[15:13] <ikonia> that's not good when an op is swearing at people
[15:13] <bazhang> indeed not
[15:14] <Seeker`> I wonder what the average age of op in -youth is
[15:15] <ikonia> not enough  I'm guessing
[15:16] <Seeker`> could probably do with some weighting towards the right side of 12
[15:18] <Seeker`> anyone else want to lend some thoughts in -irc?
[15:19] <bazhang> no
[15:19] <ikonia> Seeker`: just pondering
[15:19] <ikonia> I don't think the banning op is in a position to be able to ban people
[15:20] <ikonia> but clearly don't want to say that
[15:20] <Seeker`> I dont think he deserved a ban for what he did
[15:20] <Seeker`> sounds like he has been irritiating, but not actually done anything to warrant a ban
[15:21] <Seeker`> I reckon lift the ban in 48 hours, on the condition that michealH realises that he may not get assigned all of the projects he wants
[15:22] <bazhang> seems like their issue to resolve as none of us are ops in there
[15:22] <Seeker`> bazhang: yes, it is
[15:22] <Seeker`> but they are kids, and will just go on bickering from here to eternity
[15:22] <Seeker`> we are trying to guide them in a sensible direction
[15:30] <ikonia> if members are leaving due to this guy being in the channel, there is clearly more than meets the eye
[15:34] <Seeker`> -14:32:38- Seeker`: I haven't seen any examples of behaviour that would warrent people leaving the project
[15:35] <Seeker`> -14:32:55- zkriesse: Ok first ever meeting of the team.
[15:35] <Seeker`> -14:33:26- zkriesse: Micheal got mad as people were discussing his attitude and he starting kick banning people
[15:35] <ikonia> he's an op ???
[15:35] <Seeker`> he was, apparently
[15:35] <Seeker`> not for a while Ithink
[15:35] <bazhang> any reason to post that here?
[15:35] <ikonia> we where discussing it
[15:36] <Seeker`> so ikonia could see it, and any other op that may be interested
[15:36] <bazhang> didn't know that -youth was a core channel
[15:36] <ikonia> it's not, we are just discussing it
[15:36] <Seeker`> a) It isn't interrupting any ongoing discussion b) They are clearly struggling, some of us here have quite a lot of experience as ops, and want to try and help them
[15:37] <Tm_T> it's our duty to help them IMO
[15:37] <bazhang> sure. in -irc
[15:40] <bazhang> xzil0 wants instructions to break his machine?
[15:42] <Seeker`> buffre overflow isn't really "breaking"
[15:56] <bazhang>  Invalid target: ^^MoYzY^^  strange error when trying to remove that nick
[16:19] <ikonia> hi Gerry__
[16:22] <Gerry__> hi ikonia
[16:22] <ikonia> how can we help you
[16:22] <Gerry__> i just came in to thank you guys
[16:22] <ikonia> for what ?
[16:22] <Gerry__> for changing my life
[16:23] <bazhang> ?
[16:23] <ikonia> what are you talking about ?
[16:23] <Gerry__> i used to be a well known troll
[16:23] <Gerry__> but now i am a valued member of the dutch ubuntu community
[16:23] <ikonia> yes, we know fujisan
[16:23] <ikonia> do you need anything form us ?
[16:23] <ikonia> you are well known
[16:23] <ikonia> from
[16:23] <Gerry__> nope
[16:23] <Gerry__> may i leave no
[16:23] <Gerry__> w
[16:23] <Gerry__> :)
[16:23] <bazhang> yes
[16:23] <Gerry__> and have a nice day
[16:23] <Gerry__> bu bye :)
[17:30] <elky> O.... Kay...
[18:05] <Mamarok> hm, I have some difficulties to believe Gerry...
[18:05] <ikonia> no-one does
[18:06] <Mamarok> he has been trolling as Fujisan not so long ago in the KDE channels
[18:06] <Mamarok> and apparently is ban-evading, unless somebody lifted the ban on his presence in Freenode
[18:07] <ikonia> he was klined go knows how many times
[18:07] <Mamarok> yep
[18:07] <ikonia> he's got a perm ban in the ubuntu channels
[18:07] <Mamarok> ditto for the KDE ones AFAIK
[18:07] <ikonia> and he's certainly not a part of ubuntu-nl
[18:07] <Mamarok> and of course in #amarok, where he was stalking
[18:36] <Seeker`> Nece228: hi, how can we help you?
[18:37] <Nece228> Hi i want to talk with funkyHat, but as i see he's away
[18:45] <lhavelund> jussi: I did.
[18:51] <IdleOne> !idle | Nece228
[18:58] <Nece228> IdleOne: thats why i am here. Ill be back, now i need to make some apple juice
[19:39] <Nece228> Hi funkyHat, can i be unbanned?
[19:57] <ikonia> where are you banned ?
[19:58] <Nece228> ubuntu-offtopic
[19:58] <ikonia> I see lots of bans/kicks in the logs
[19:58] <ikonia> why are you constantly getting banned/kicked ?
[19:59] <ikonia> do you understand why you are getting kicked/banned all the time ?
[20:01] <ikonia> Nece228: hello ?
[20:01] <Nece228> yes i do
[20:01] <ikonia> ok - so why do you keep doing it ?
[20:01] <Nece228> i got two or three kicks in total, and one ban
[20:01] <ikonia> you have more kicks
[20:01] <ikonia> and it's not about the numbers - more the intent
[20:01] <Nece228> really?
[20:01] <ikonia> why do you keep doing it ?
[20:02] <Nece228> i was joking
[20:02] <ikonia> but you keep getting kicked for it and told to stop
[20:02] <ikonia> why do you keep "joking"
[20:02] <Nece228> but people accept my jokes as trolling
[20:02] <Nece228> its partially true
[20:02] <ikonia> ok - so why do you keep doing it
[20:03] <Nece228> ah, i actually never thought that those jokes can lead to ban, i mean i thinked i wont get ban because this message wont be very bad
[20:03] <ikonia> you've been kicked/warned enough time
[20:03] <ikonia> did that not give you a clue you're not welcome with those "jokes"
[20:04] <Nece228> you see, it was hard to understand all the kicks, because sometimes i even had no serious clue why i was kicked
[20:04] <ikonia> yet you've just told me you know/understand why you get kicked
[20:04] <ikonia> that's a direct contradiction
[20:04] <Nece228> now i understand
[20:04] <Nece228> in past i didnt
[20:04] <ikonia> after what
[20:05] <ikonia> what made you understand ?
[20:06] <Nece228> while ubuntu-offtopic is offtopic channel, but i still need to have all the rules in my mind
[20:06] <ikonia> this may seem a pointless discussion but I'm reading through the logs of your behaviour and I see nothing positive in it at all
[20:06] <ikonia> I see you adding no value to the channel or discussions, just making stupid comments to try to provoke people then getting kicked
[20:06] <ikonia> I don't see a reason to allow you to participate in that channel
[20:07] <Nece228> yes i understand that my comments were stupid and kinda provoked a kick
[20:07] <Nece228> and i apologise for that
[20:07] <ikonia> I'll leave the ban to funkyhat, but I see no reason to allow you back into the channel as you have a history of these comments, and I don't see a reason to waste the channels time with more of the same
[20:08] <Nece228> listen we all do foults until some serious problems happen, but after that lots of people are good
[20:08] <ikonia> yes, however you do a lot of these issues
[20:10] <Nece228> but i do regret
[20:10] <Nece228> come on :(
[20:10] <ikonia> you should have regretted a lot sooner
[20:11] <ikonia> I'll leave the ban to funkyHat - if it was more straight forward or more an obvious minor issue I'd remove it,
[20:11] <Nece228> when someone gets a ban, its definitely not a minor issue
[20:11] <ikonia> however as you have a history of persistantly being an issue in that channel and my view of the log is that you ad no value and just troll the channel with stupid comments, I won't act while funkyHat's not here
[20:12] <Nece228> ok
[20:12] <Nece228> funkyhat said he might unban me in this week ending
[20:12] <ikonia> yes, I've read the comment
[20:13] <Nece228> you read private messages?
[20:13] <ikonia> no, there is a note in our ban system saying the same thing
[20:14] <Nece228> oh
[20:14] <Nece228> funkyhat is still away :/
[20:15] <ikonia> yes, it looks that way
[20:36] <ikonia> Nece228: I suggest you come back later when funkyHat is available
[20:36] <Nece228> yeah i know
[20:36] <IdleOne> well if you know, please part
[20:39] <Nece228> oh, so i cant be in this channel without reason?
[20:40] <IdleOne> correct
[20:40] <Nece228> then sorry
[20:40] <Nece228> bye
[22:07] <topyli> hrm. bantracker items for the sailor above is depressing reading
[22:42] <veryhappy> can you please help me?
[22:43] <veryhappy> im sorry
[22:49] <jrib> what are you bots talking about...
[22:49] <Flannel> jrib: probably the m m m m m mm m m m m
[22:50] <jrib> yeah but he quieted and blocked unidentified users for that :/
[22:50] <Flannel> Just letting us know so we can look into it incase it was part of something larger I imagine
[22:54] <jrib> Flannel: just seemed weird that the floodbot didn't just quiet the guy until he shutup