[03:43] <valorie> added my testing feedback from today at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha3/Kubuntu/Feedback
[03:43] <valorie> pretty much a bust!
[05:00] <valorie> BUT one of my loco members reminded me that I have a spare HD for this lappy
[05:00] <valorie> so tomorrow, I'll try again
[05:00] <valorie> if it's a bust again, so be it
[09:33] <apachelogger> good morning Kubuntu
[09:34] <ulysses> good morning apachelogger 
[09:34] <apachelogger> hey ulysses, I think we can publish the August report tomorrow?
[09:35] <apachelogger> (great work again :))
[09:35] <ulysses> thanks:)
[09:37] <apachelogger> valorie: btw, you can use @SIG@ verbatim in the wiki, it is a macro that expands to a full signature
[09:38] <valorie> ah, OK
[09:38] <valorie> reading the data page, I guess the difficulties we ran into were not new
[09:39] <valorie> BUT
[09:39] <valorie> I'm trying to figure out how to protect the data I have on this old spare HD now
[09:39] <valorie> so I can try again tomorrow
[09:40] <valorie> this time without worry of messing up my laptop
[09:40] <valorie> because if it doesn't work, I'll just put my present HD back in
[09:40] <apachelogger> valorie: just do not format it ;)
[09:40] <valorie> :-)
[09:40] <valorie> right
[09:40] <ulysses> something wrong with the window switcher, only the top left quarter appears
[09:40] <valorie> I'm using partionmanager, and trying to get it to shrink the partition to what is already there
[09:41] <apachelogger> valorie: what file system?
[09:41] <valorie> ext4
[09:41] <valorie> it seems to be ok with moving it one way or the other
[09:41] <valorie> but not shrinking
[09:42] <valorie> so I might have to sacrifice my old data
[09:42] <apachelogger> that is odd, ext4 should make no problems unless it is (or was) filled > 75%
[09:42] <valorie> I was hoping to have access to that music
[09:42] <valorie> it's about half full
[09:42] <apachelogger> that is odd then
[09:42] <valorie> 149 gig
[09:42] <apachelogger> with very full or long living file systems fragmentation could become a problem with resizing, but...
[09:42] <valorie> so I would have about 70 gigs to play with
[09:42] <apachelogger> very strange
[09:43] <valorie> eh
[09:43] <valorie> it's not serious
[09:43] <valorie> my new huge HD has a complete backup
[09:43] <valorie> knock on wood
[09:43] <valorie> lol
[09:55]  * apachelogger is wondering if his new laptop will arrive tomorrow
[10:02] <valorie> what does UPS tell you?
[10:03] <valorie> or are you counting on your countdown widget
[10:03] <valorie> :-)
[10:15] <apachelogger> valorie: on friday UPS said friday, which seemed a bit impossible given that it was noon and the thing only was in frankfurt at the time
[10:15] <apachelogger> then they changed to monday
[10:15] <apachelogger> and now nothing ^^
[10:15] <valorie> boo
[10:16] <valorie> new laptops are fun!
[10:16] <valorie> I hope you get it tomorrow
[10:18] <apachelogger> me too ^^
[10:18]  * apachelogger is wondering why that silly gobject foo always crashes on him :(
[10:44] <mfraz74> if i launch konsole and type something into it, my desktop disappears and then i'm logged in again.
[10:44] <mfraz74> if i launch konsole a second time, it works ok
[10:48] <mfraz74> any ideas?
[10:54] <mfraz74> in syslog i see X server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly
[11:00] <apachelogger> mfraz74: sounds like a graphics driver problem
[11:00] <mfraz74> it only started happening after doing the updates
[11:02] <mfraz74> driver is intel i915
[11:05] <apachelogger> mfraz74: on lucid?
[11:05] <mfraz74> no maverick
[11:05]  * apachelogger thinks that gobject's weird marshal stuff is causing his flipping segfaults -.-
[11:05] <apachelogger> mfraz74: IMHO intel drivers are all sorts of broken on mav
[11:05] <apachelogger> or X
[11:05] <apachelogger> or both
[11:06] <mfraz74> apachelogger: it must've been something that got upgraded yesterday as it was working fine before
[11:06] <mfraz74> anything i can do to track it down?
[11:09] <apachelogger> look at /var/log/dpkg.log or apt.log or both
[11:10] <apachelogger> and ask in #ubuntu-x
[11:15] <mfraz74> looks like it might be related to bug #602899
[11:40] <apachelogger> hm
[11:40] <apachelogger> something is fishy about my pycallable
[11:40]  * apachelogger hates it when things get fishy
[11:56]  * jussi hands apachelogger a nice salmon slice
[11:59] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[11:59] <apachelogger> I am hungry
[11:59] <apachelogger> oh
[11:59] <apachelogger> already 1
[12:00] <apachelogger> time flies by when looking at pyth0rn segfaults
[12:00]  * apachelogger goes cooking
[12:32] <apachelogger> oh, so while I was almost cutting off my fingers I had an inspiration as to why my pyth0rn fails, actually pretty obvious ^^
[12:32] <apachelogger> cant wait to fix that
[12:32]  * apachelogger returns to cooking
[13:25] <sheytan> We now have a downloads center for Kubuntu http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/577448-829201030539PM :D
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/9HzvS.jpg
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> so true
[14:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: iff user == developer
[14:02] <apachelogger> that said, I do not deem C less developer friendly than python
[14:02] <apachelogger> Glib however is less friendly :P
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:03] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:04] <apachelogger> I have to play intermediate callback handler between gobject and pyth0rn
[14:04] <apachelogger> this is going to be kill
[14:08] <yofel> why does that remind me of http://www.deimeke.net/dirk/blog/index.php?/archives/2310-Programmer-Hierarchy-....html ...
[14:08]  * apachelogger gets some paper and a pen and starts drawing up a context
[14:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also the problemen defintion is the crap
[14:09] <apachelogger> yofel: that made ruby == web language
[14:09] <apachelogger> oh how I hate those rails users
[14:09]  * apachelogger swings fist
[14:11] <apachelogger> void (*callback)(void*, int*, ...) = (void (*)(void*, int*, ...))voidPtr;
[14:11] <apachelogger> any best on compilability of that? ^^
[14:11] <apachelogger> s/best/bets
[14:30] <sheytan> And here it comes. Our new Social stuff page :D http://i.imgur.com/iiYPU.jpg
[15:20] <ulysses> Translation files of KDE 4.5.1 are imported, or will be imported?
[15:58] <ulysses> If I try to change the KWin effects, the whole X/KDE freezes, I have to restart kdm from tty1
[15:58] <ulysses> anyone noticed that?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> yeah, on intel here
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> killing kwin from tty1 works
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> but then you have no wm and can't get one back due to focusing issues
[16:02] <ulysses> I have also Intel, an Intel GMA4500MHD
[16:09] <ulysses> I try to translate some KWin stuff, we are at the GlobalJam
[16:22] <mgraesslin> ulysses and JontheEchidna: alt+shift+f12 should still work
[16:22] <mgraesslin> problem is known
[16:23] <ulysses> mgraesslin: yes, I can turn off/on the effects, but I need them to see in work to make a proper translation
[16:28]  * apachelogger throws stones at gobject
[16:28] <apachelogger> (process:20839): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID: assertion `n_param_values == 1' failed
[16:28] <apachelogger> I think I will just tear ubuntu-sso-client apart and insert non-gobject dependent non-python module using invocatoin of the GUI
[16:30] <apachelogger> it is kind of perverted to have Qt hooked up with a C++ class that wraps a GObject and has a Python interface via SIP which tries to simulate the silly implications of the backend<->gui relation of the GTK+ UI 
[16:31] <apachelogger> it is like QObject has a baby with GObject that is officially living with Python but is really living with SIP
[16:32] <apachelogger> Nightrose: regarding the baby business ^
[16:32] <Nightrose> -.-
[16:32]  * apachelogger feels nukes the ugly stuff
[16:32] <apachelogger> that was a half way through writing change of mind
[16:33] <apachelogger> I blame it all on the uglyness
[16:34] <sheytan> Hey
[16:34] <sheytan> can i have a screenshot of the new kpk?
[16:35] <ulysses> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kepek/kpackagekit.png
[16:35] <sheytan> ulyssess in english please? :)
[16:35] <sheytan> it's for the wesite ;)
[16:39] <ulysses> hm, I have english language packs, but KPackageKit doesn't want to start in English:/
[16:41] <sheytan> ulysses ok, i'll find one :)
[17:16] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: do you know, how can I get backtrace from kolourpaint4 issue?
[17:55] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: no crash -> no backtrace
[17:58] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: from #ubuntu-desktop: <kklimonda> ari-tczew: looks like gnome-settings-daemon crashes, do you have a stacktrace?
[18:00] <apachelogger> well then you need backtrace of that crash and not kolourpaint4
[18:05] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: can you how do it?
[18:05] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: I don't know how one best gets a backtrace in GNOME, so better ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[18:06] <apachelogger> supposedly apport should be coming up in your notification area and help you with that
[18:09] <yofel> if it does not check if there's a .crash file in /var/crash too
[18:16] <apachelogger> "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad."
[18:16] <apachelogger> now that is wrong... lunchpad *is* wrong
[18:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lunchpad eating your head? :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> lunchpad - it eatz your brainz away!
[18:17] <apachelogger> cant even clean a ppa without it going time out on you
[18:18] <apachelogger> hm
[18:18] <apachelogger> there is still wine left
[18:18]  * apachelogger pours Nightrose a glass
[18:19] <apachelogger> "Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad."
[18:19] <apachelogger> ...
[18:19] <apachelogger> that reminds me of "computer says no" ^^
[18:20] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZAoMv_QnAU
[18:54] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: I got it!
[18:58] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_main_context_dispatch()
[18:59] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: you need to tell that kklimonda
[18:59] <apachelogger> also that information alone is not useful (i.e. one needs a whole backtrace ;))
[19:03] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: bug 626379 (current private)
[20:48] <sheytan> Hey apachelogger
[20:48] <sheytan> Will u1 be included to maverick?
[20:48] <sheytan> i mean out of the box
[20:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: not out of the box
[21:00] <apachelogger> currently it is even questionable if at all since upstream likes to introduce breakage
[21:00] <sheytan> apachelogger why not?
[21:00] <apachelogger> because it is not ready and because upstream likes to introduce breakage
[21:01] <apachelogger> if it gets included out of the box we need to be sure that it works in the next version and the one to come and the one after that...
[21:01] <sheytan> what about 11.04?
[21:02] <apachelogger> not unless either canonical devotes a developer to the KDE version or someone takes over maintainership who is willing and has time to actually make the ubuntuone team do proper free software development and not just open source stuff
[21:02] <apachelogger> sheytan: what I would like to see is owncloud support though, which will probably also still take some time
[21:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, is it just me or is the default KDE background not very vibrant?
[21:03] <apachelogger> in fact I would go as far as calling it cold
[21:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: honestly? i never see it :D
[21:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[21:04]  * apachelogger only noticed recently because he watched his mom play with windows 7's desktop theme stuff which has truely good packages available
[21:04] <apachelogger> and putting aside an off-the-shelf theme of windows 7 and KDE's default makes KDE look like GNOME default looks to KDE
[21:05]  * apachelogger probably should talk with nuno about this some day
[21:05] <apachelogger> also I need to get someone do things with kubuntu 10.04
[21:06] <apachelogger> you would not believe the things you come to notice when watching someone who does not have much clue of the backgrounds interact with a system
[21:08] <apachelogger> for example the fact that you can drag windows in 4.5 by issuing a drag on free space of the window is simply awesome since the regular person does not know about window decoration/borders it is sort of difficult to teach the concept of drag-your-window-bar-to-the-top-to-maximize
[21:09] <apachelogger> so instead it becomes dragy-your-window-to-the-top-to-maximize, which naturally will make people try to drag unused space
[21:09] <apachelogger> in oxygen that of course applies even more so since the window decoration and the window appear truely as a whole
[21:09]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[21:10] <Nightrose> *hug*
[21:10] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can you make the 10 remaining gsoc students send me a summary for the dot?
[21:10] <apachelogger> who would these nice persons be?
[21:10] <apachelogger> should I visit them personally?
[21:11] <Nightrose> i think that is appropriate by now - i've just sent them the 3rd email
[21:11] <apachelogger> if so I need to get a hair cut to look more intimidating
[21:11] <Nightrose> :D
[21:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: from that I gather they are not IRCing?
[21:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, you know, if it helps I can send a mail too ;)
[21:12] <Nightrose> :P
[21:12] <apachelogger> and if that not helps we can always send nakkid pics of nixternal and threaten to not stop unless they send you a summary
[21:12] <Nightrose> haha
[21:12] <Nightrose> i like that idea
[21:12] <apachelogger> Nightrose: also you can have a summary from me in case that helps ;)
[21:12] <Nightrose> it does not unfortunately :D
[21:12] <apachelogger> on that note, apparently ubuntuone-kde is perceived as very attracting
[21:13] <Nightrose> otoh...
[21:13] <apachelogger> so it indeed paied of that I shot the lead snapshot of my blog post like 30 times
[21:13] <Nightrose> *g*
[21:14]  * apachelogger likes how the colors of sheytan's wallpaper with the orangy ubuntu icon and the plasma theme form a beauty of snapshot
[21:15]  * sheytan wonders if apachelogger will share a screenshot :D
[21:15] <apachelogger> see blog post :P
[21:15] <nixternal> nekkid pics of me is not a good idea. will cause uncontrollable vomiting
[21:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, just tell me how I can help
[21:15] <apachelogger> meanwhile I am getting drunk :P
[21:15]  * apachelogger pours glass of white wine
[21:16]  * apachelogger also pours one for Nightrose
[21:16] <Nightrose> \o/
[21:16] <nixternal> i am at an ubuntu global jam right now. though i am not doing anything. i am as useless at the jam as I am here with kubuntu :)
[21:16] <Nightrose> nixternal: can i make you write a dot story?
[21:16] <Nightrose> about the 4.5 release parties?
[21:16] <apachelogger> I never thought that I would say that but this is one of the few enjoyable gruener veltiners
[21:16] <Nightrose> or at least email all the organizers?
[21:16]  * apachelogger has a lucky hand with wines ^^
[21:17] <Nightrose> asking them for a short summary and pics and links to blog posts
[21:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: as useless as you might be you are still part of the family *hug*
[21:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nooooo! not before he sends emails 
[21:17] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:18]  * Nightrose goes back to writing the gsoc dot story
[21:18]  * apachelogger notes that right now a lot of people are useless since KDE 4.5.1 is not yet packaged :P
[21:18]  * apachelogger thinks that ninjas need love
[21:18] <nixternal> i am the bastard child of the family :)
[21:19] <apachelogger> I agree :P
[21:19] <nixternal> Nightrose: I won't be able to do anything for the dot today. i am doing this jam thing for a few more minutes then I have to head home and get ready for my bike ride 
[21:19] <Nightrose> k
[21:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r_: pingy
[21:19] <Nightrose> anyone else?
[21:20] <valorie> nixternal: we only did kubuntu at our Jam yesterday
[21:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger: jarp?
[21:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: how would you like to become super duper ninja?
[21:21] <nixternal> i am doing nothing except enjoying a bagle and drink from starbucks
[21:22] <apachelogger> nixternal: is that the meaning of jamming?
[21:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ninjas are cool
[21:22]  * apachelogger never got the meaning
[21:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: but?
[21:22] <nixternal> apachelogger: I guess it could be the meaning. i am using cream cheese instead of jam though :)
[21:23] <apachelogger> you americans prefer cream cheese in the bagle dont you?
[21:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but what kind of ninja do you want i have to become
[21:23] <apachelogger> Xand3r: a packaging ninja?
[21:23] <apachelogger> or a promo ninja
[21:23] <apachelogger> or a fanboi ninja
[21:23] <apachelogger> any ninja you want
[21:24] <Xand3r> long time ago that i packaged something
[21:24] <Xand3r> hmm why not
[21:24] <Xand3r> what have i to do?
[21:25] <apachelogger> package KDE 4.5.1? :D
[21:25] <Xand3r> lol
[21:25] <apachelogger> Xand3r: seriously!
[21:25] <Xand3r> i will package kde 5.3
[21:26] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I can ship you a source tarball and you make it into a 4.5.1 package
[21:26] <apachelogger> something easy for starters, say kdewebdev?
[21:27] <Xand3r> apachelogger: you know, packaging makes no fun with 45kb/s down stream and a 1,6 GHz Celron M core
[21:27] <apachelogger> well, I did do packaging on a netbook :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> Qt to be exact :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: but maybe you want to try yourself on something else?
[21:28] <apachelogger> promotion maybe?
[21:28] <Xand3r> maybe but you're a pro.
[21:29] <Xand3r> promotion? i cant write without faults
[21:29] <apachelogger> we always proof read each other's stuff
[21:30] <apachelogger> also promotion is not just about writing
[21:30] <apachelogger> you could also create a plan on how we should and could improve our public image
[21:30] <apachelogger> how we should and could communicate our greatness to the public
[21:31] <Xand3r> thats not so easy
[21:32] <apachelogger> Xand3r: how so?
[21:33] <Xand3r> hmmm, maybe i will find something, but right now my head is full of my problems withe my moving to jena and giving away my ferrets.
[21:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you are ferretsless? :O you are moving to jena? :O
[21:34]  * apachelogger is clearly not up to speed with what is going on in the family, oh dear
[21:35] <Xand3r> yarp thats the sad but best plan i have
[21:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  i am family for you? you are so sweet^^
[21:36]  * Xand3r afk
[21:36]  * apachelogger considers everyone in Kubuntu family :)
[21:38] <Tm_T> apachelogger: yes, son
[21:39]  * apachelogger hugs mom
[21:40] <debfx> apachelogger: do we still have that trigger to highlight all ninjas on irc?
[21:43] <sheytan> Hey
[21:43] <sheytan> is it possible to remove all config files from apps that are not installed anymore?
[21:44] <Tm_T> atleast synaptic has such package group, "residual config" or so
[21:45]  * valorie hugs all the grandkids here
[21:45] <valorie> :-)
[21:45] <valorie> Xand3r: sorry to hear about your ferrets
[21:45] <valorie> I used to have them, and really loved them
[21:45] <valorie> such sweeties
[21:55] <Quintasan> urgh
[21:55] <Quintasan> damn awerty
[21:56] <Xand3r> valorie: true thing
[21:56] <Quintasan> \o
[22:08] <apachelogger> !ninjas
[22:08] <apachelogger> time for KDE 4.5.1!!!!
[22:08] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: stable release?
[22:08] <apachelogger> jussi: ^ it is dated out very much ... do you think we could hook that up with the launchpad team?
[22:09] <apachelogger> debfx: ^
[22:09] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: yes
[22:12] <Quintasan> gah
[22:12]  * Quintasan is heading back home tomorrow
[22:12] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: 1 September is coming, are you afraid? ;-D
[22:14] <Quintasan> ot really
[22:14] <Quintasan> not
[22:14] <Quintasan> TBH I wanted to go to school
[22:14] <ari-tczew> are you f*ckin' kiddin' me? :D
[22:15] <Quintasan> The second half of August is getting boring
[22:15] <Quintasan> I have great classmates so it is not boring for me to go to school
[22:15] <Quintasan> "D
[22:15] <Quintasan> gah
[22:15] <valorie> I love school
[22:16] <Quintasan> </3 awerty
[22:16] <yofel> school is nice, be happy as long as you're there, after that life gets hard :P
[22:16] <ari-tczew> hearing "shut up donkey!" or "are you lazy, go to work!" omg ;p
[22:16] <yofel> haha
[22:17] <Quintasan> Well. I do not hear that very often, unless I'n trying to make someone angry
[22:17] <Quintasan> VERY angry
[22:17] <Quintasan> :3
[22:18] <ari-tczew> to make his/her a rageman?
[22:18] <Quintasan> oh yes
[22:19] <Quintasan> Troll is a art
[22:19] <Quintasan> (mistakes intended)
[22:30] <stanos> stan online
[22:32] <stanos> freeze is on 4 buz ,i am right?
[22:33] <stanos> no buz here i will quit ,another day
[22:39] <valorie> wow, patient person
[22:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can't go in the archive until after Thursday thought (4.5.1)
[22:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, but the longer it takes to package it the less time we can spend on QA, the less time we spend on QA the worse the quality, the worse the quality the more users will be annoyed, the more users are annoyed the harder it is to turn them into contributors
[23:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sure.  I agree with all that.  Just making sure it was all clear.
[23:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: it feels way too cold for uploads anyway ^^