[18:00] <charlie-tca> Do we know the date of the next meeting?
[18:10] <Pendulum> the next full team meeting is September 15th
[18:10] <Pendulum> (I actually remembered to put it in the topic for once!)
[18:16] <charlie-tca> heh, Everything happens given time...
[18:19] <charlie-tca> You mean I should have read it?
[18:19] <Pendulum> haha
[18:19] <charlie-tca> change the date here to update the meeting times on the wiki now
[18:19] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Header
[18:19] <Pendulum> nah, I don't really expect people to read the topic if they've been around for a while
[18:19] <Pendulum> *nods*
[18:20] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: btw, since I'm sure you wouldn't have notcied the topic, we have logs now :P
[18:20] <charlie-tca> You are right! Thanks
[18:21] <Pendulum> they're on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[19:37] <webczat> Hey.
[19:37] <webczat> Why I can't access synaptic from ubuntu-10? I mean i can't use it with orca.
[19:48] <Pendulum> webczat: what exactly are you trying to do? could you potentially add the package you're looking for from the command line instead?
[19:48] <Pendulum> (Sorry, I have no real experience with Orca so can't tell you exactly what the problem is)
[19:49] <webczat> Pendulum: i can use command line but things like update manager use synaptics i think
[19:49] <Pendulum> ah, okay
[19:50] <Pendulum> you can also update by doing "sudo apt-get update" (without the quotation marks)
[19:51] <webczat> it's upgrade i think. i meant upgrading the system
[19:51] <webczat> it's update manager. or upgrade manager.
[19:51] <Pendulum> what are you trying to upgrade to?
[19:52] <webczat> not trying to upgrade to. it's just an example of a program using synaptics
[19:52] <Pendulum> ah, okay
[19:52] <webczat> also, language support when installing packages. i just can't see anything/any progress bar or whatever
[19:52] <Pendulum> *nods*
[19:53] <webczat> update manager also does the same but it just returns after updating. the language manager first notifies (when in root) that it installed the package and requires me to press close while nothing talks to me.
[19:53] <Pendulum> I'm really sorry, I wish I could help, but I really know nothing about Orca. Have you tried asking either on the mailing list, forums, or filing a bug?
[19:53] <AlanBell> oh, I know this one
[19:54] <AlanBell> I saw a bug about it today
[19:54] <AlanBell> it is because you run synaptic with sudo access
[19:54] <webczat> no, irc is faster if someone is on it
[19:54] <AlanBell> and the root user you switch to does not have at-spi (or orca or it is disconnected from your session or something)
[19:55] <Pendulum> oh dear, that's a rather major bug
[19:56] <AlanBell> it was a blueprint I saw, not a bug https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/sudo-admin-atspi
[19:57] <Pendulum> that's really old, though
[19:57] <AlanBell> that is a 2006 blueprint, might be done by now
[19:57] <Pendulum> the whiteboard says it was done and submitted for Feisty
[19:58] <Pendulum> webczat: what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[19:58] <webczat> Pendulum: lucid.
[19:59] <Pendulum> hmm... this is a year old, but I wonder if the same fix would work http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com/msg03527.html
[19:59] <Pendulum> webczat: have you tried running synaptic from the command line as "sudo synaptic"?
[20:00] <AlanBell> just trying it with orca on my laptop, it doesn't read synaptic after the gksudo prompt
[20:01] <Pendulum> yeah, that seems to be the issue
[20:01] <AlanBell> and sudo gedit from the command prompt doesn't read gedit
[20:01] <Pendulum> there's a question from this month on the Orca list, I think, but no one has answered
[20:03] <Pendulum> webczat: you're not the Milton who posted a question to orca-list about this issue last week, right?
[20:07] <webczat> no
[20:07] <webczat> what about making orbit enable ipv4 and disable unix? can someone try to enable it for both root and user?
[20:08] <AlanBell> that would make sense
[20:08] <AlanBell> I was trying to run orca with sudo but it doesn't want to start
[20:09] <webczat> AlanBell: Try it. Can you? If you'll enable this thing in orbit and relogin, it should probably use user's at-spi
[20:10] <webczat> I don't have the ubuntu laptop yet.
[20:10] <webczat> like, i have it but i currently can't use it
[20:11] <webczat> but i want to have it accessible at wednesday. also, i was required to manually set accessibility to true and as mandatory in gconf editor to be able to set accessible login in gdm
[20:11] <webczat> s/at/on
[20:11] <webczat> i mean i can set it but it doesn't really enable at-spi even if restarted
[20:13] <webczat> also, i can do sudo-u gdm <gconftoolusagehere) to enable accessibility in gdm, it doesn't do that itself. but it's cool that i can, for example, run orca preferences in gdm
[20:14] <charlie-tca> some work done on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility ; review in progress
[20:19] <AlanBell> not sure how to get it to use IP sockets, all the documentation I see is about the move to dbus
[20:19] <AlanBell> just wondering if this has been addressed in vinux
[20:29] <webczat> AlanBell: wait, i'll give you the config
[20:30] <webczat> file is .orbitrc in homedir
[20:31] <webczat> http://equal.cluenet.org/~webczat/orbitconf do you get it?
[20:35] <webczat> AlanBell: try to put it in /root, if doesn't work, then also in your homedir and relogin then
[20:41] <AlanBell> ok, put that in /root/.orbitrc and /home/alan/.orbitrc and now rebooting
[20:44] <AlanBell> doesn't seem to help
[20:45] <AlanBell> just going to try booting into Maverick
[20:48] <AlanBell> broken in Maverick too
[20:50] <webczat> Wait for a while, i'm now trying to set up the workflow for bugs in trac repo. or i will try
[20:53] <webczat> Hmm, or not. anyway, going off.
[20:54] <AlanBell> ok, I will mention it to themuso if I see him online later webczat 
[21:40] <webczat> re