[04:08] <extraclassic> i have a problem with gnome not aligning my icons even though I've made the auto align selection...http://content.screencast.com/users/j_barnett/folders/Default/media/eb672b79-1028-49bb-ac4b-476684d92cd5/gnome.png
[04:10] <devildante> bye all :)
[06:49] <^arky^> hi
[06:49] <micahg> hi
[06:51] <^arky^> good to see you micahg, still busy even on weekend
[06:51] <micahg> ^arky^: well, relaxing but available :)
[06:52] <^arky^> thanks, I might trouble you when I get stuck with bug cleaning up
[11:00]  * vish sighs at people who hit-n-run bugs, commenting without subscribing to the bug
[11:01] <vish> gah! if you comment and spam someone they atleast need to subscribe!! :/
[11:02] <nisshh> vish: you ranting again?
[11:02] <vish> yeah! well humphrey rants and he draws all the silly OMG folks to lp! :/
[11:03] <vish> now! i'm not gonna leave them ;p
[11:03] <vish> i'm subscribe them all to the bug ;p
[11:04] <nisshh> haha
[11:04] <nisshh> vish: we should make a website, just for your rants "www.mega-vish-rants.com
[11:04] <nisshh> "
[11:04] <vish> heh
[11:06] <vish> nisshh: half my voes would end if they close commenting on OMG, somehow it draws the crazzies , its like full moon to them ;p
[11:07] <nisshh> haha
[11:07] <vish> nisshh: seriously, some of the comment there hurt upstream sentiments :(  it saddens me how
[11:07] <vish> rude they can get..
[11:07] <nisshh> on OMG, you mean vish?
[11:08] <vish> yeah, upstreams do read it and the comments, they do take offense..
[11:09] <vish> nisshh: if people spent half the time they spend arguing on the comments, they can be useful! :p
[11:10] <nisshh> vish: yea, some of them do seem pretty...
[11:10]  * nisshh tries to think of the right word
[11:10] <nisshh> harsh
[11:11] <nisshh> vish: i prefer the "i hate it but if they did x it would be great!"
[11:11] <nisshh> comments
[11:13] <vish> yeah , no constructive comments..
[11:13] <jfi> software is like football, everybody has an opinion on everything, and nobody has the same
[11:14] <nisshh> jfi: and everyone disagrees with everyone
[11:14] <nisshh> :)
[11:14] <gorilla> nisshh: No we don't!
[11:14] <nisshh> gorilla: oh, the irony!...
[11:14] <vish> opinions are *good*, but its just "I hate it, hate it so much, and this much more. they are *** " and nothing useful ..
[11:15] <gorilla> nisshh: :-)
[11:15] <nisshh> yea
[11:15] <nisshh> wow, chromium is buggy atm
[11:16] <nisshh> my mouse laggs, the page scrolling laggs
[11:16] <nisshh> geez
[11:16] <nisshh> lagg is everywhere!
[11:16] <jfi> vish: well, that's because not every opinion are objective, that's like when you look a picture, you like or you don't like, there is not always formal argument, more about feeling
[11:17] <vish> not about the latest rant , but every rant in there ;)
[11:17] <jfi> which one? the one about the wallpaper?:)
[11:17] <nisshh> yea
[11:21] <leighman> found anyone who likes that wallpaper tho? :P
[11:21] <vish> meh , its just a wallpaper! if you dont like it you have other choices ;p
[11:22] <vish> if they took the time to write a huge lengthy rant in the comments and dont want to subscribe, it shows how much committed they actually are to make a change..
[11:22] <jfi> a dev should always consider that a bad comment, is a comment, the guy has taken the time to write something, it means that he pays attention on the software
[11:22] <nisshh> still, its pretty crappy, for a redo
[11:22] <jfi> if people write bad comments on the wallpaper that's because they use ubuntu, that's positive
[11:22] <nisshh> hmmm, true
[11:23] <vish> but as i said , it they dont want to subscribe , it really shows how much they are really interested
[11:23] <leighman> I think a lot of people maybe assume that commenting will subscribe them
[11:23] <jfi> I have use lp one or two months without seeing the subcribe option....
[11:23] <leighman> true many are just not interested in following up
[11:24] <jfi> I thought that I will be notified automaticly
[11:24] <vish> its just people want to speak their minds! and do you think that half those people really use the default wallpaper?
[11:24] <jfi> vish, and about the wallpaper, I thing that it is very very very important, that's the first thing that new people see
[11:24] <nisshh> probably not
[11:24] <jfi> vish, and first impression is very important
[11:25] <leighman> I use the Lucid default, I certainly won't be using the Maverick default :P
[11:25] <nisshh> jfi: well, for noobs it is, geeks would change it i about 10 minutes
[11:26] <leighman> it's like Windows default wallpaper being one of those joke 'broken Vista' ones
[11:26] <jfi> nisshh, of course everybody is changing the default wallpaper, even lambda users... but that's the first visual impression!
[11:26] <vish> some people go to lengths to make up stories, that their co-worker go a migraine from using the wallpaper! Maverick isnt even released ! , which company uses pre-release software in their production environment!
[11:26] <nisshh> jfi: yea, i guess
[11:26] <leighman> I just think the design team have done some amazing work the last year but that is not one of them!
[11:27] <leighman> that was quite amusing, but not to say he couldn't have used the walpaper
[11:27] <nisshh> well, we dont even know if that wallpaper is genuine
[11:27] <nisshh> the new maverick theme is better than lucids though
[11:27] <nisshh> thats one good thing at least
[11:27] <vish> yea
[11:51] <jfi> somebody to confirm #625371 ? I am ready to help compiling the small programm to reproduce the issue:)
[11:52] <gorilla> bug 625371
[11:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625371 in indicator-application "app_indicator_set_status does not change the application indicator icon (affects: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625371
[11:52] <gorilla> jfi: that description isn't good.
[11:53] <jfi> gorilla, ha.. why? I am ready to improve it!
[11:54] <gorilla> jfi: I was going to object to the underscores but it's correct.
[11:55] <jfi> gorilla, yes, that's the name of the C function in the lib, you can see it in /usr/include/libappindicator-0.1/libappindicator/app-indicator.h
[11:56] <jfi> I have double checked, it is correct
[11:56] <gorilla> Yep... just looks odd.
[12:50] <penguin42> can anyone suggest what to do with bug 625169
[12:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625169 in ubuntu "ubuntu server 10.04amd64 fails to boot after installation on lvm+raid5 (affects: 1) (heat: 3142)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625169
[12:50] <penguin42> it's a pretty nasty failure , but the reporter is saying he thinks the culmination of 3 other bugs
[12:51] <penguin42> it doesn't seem right to dupe it to any one of them
[14:20] <simar> micahg: hi
[14:21] <devildante> am I the only one who has too much timeout problems with lp? :p
[14:21] <simar> micahg: i hope you can see this .. i have queries there.
[14:21] <simar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625853
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625853 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The Google Maps API server rejected you request. The "Client" parameter specified in the request is invalid (dup-of: 624981)" [Low,Invalid]
[14:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 26) (dups: 5) (heat: 134)" [Critical,Fix committed]
[14:22] <simar> devildante: i hope you are also affected with the bug.. is it same
[14:22] <simar> devildante: see link
[14:22] <devildante> simar: yes, this is bugging me too
[14:23] <simar> devildante: what else you get?
[14:23] <devildante> simar: everyone is affected
[14:23] <simar> devildante: ya
[14:23] <devildante> simar: apart from that, only the usual timeout errors :p
[14:24] <simar> devildante: no i'm sure i dinnt get any timeout errors ...
[14:25] <simar> devildante: launchpad seems to turn old now :P
[14:25] <devildante> simar: not always
[14:25] <devildante> simar: but it's annoying when you get it
[14:25] <simar> sense: hey r u there ..
[14:25] <devildante> simar: even more annoying on the edge server
[14:25] <sense> hello simar
[14:25] <yofel> well, I get a lot of timeouts, but I'm using edge
[14:26] <yofel> note: edge has a shorter timeout limit than production
[14:26] <simar> devildante: ya .. atleast i have got a taste of it sometimes before ;-)
[14:26] <penguin42> it seems OK for me at the moment
[14:26] <simar> sense: heya ... how were u?
[14:26] <devildante> yofel: yeah I know ;)
[14:27] <simar> sense: how were you holidays ..
[14:27] <sense> simar: They were great, thanks for askin. How have you been? Busy with bug fixing?
[14:28] <simar> sense: ya, but now a days i got more busy with actual life in university..
[14:29] <sense> simar: Ah, real life is calling.
[14:29] <simar> sense: ya sure :P
[14:29] <simar> sense: sense: i'm trying to see something in security team.. some testing as of now.
[14:29] <sense> ok
[14:29] <sense> Wide interests. :)
[14:29] <simar> sense: ya ..
[14:30] <simar> sense: i have got one of my mentees in touchpad area..
[14:30] <sense> :)
[14:30] <simar> sense: so you can expect some good support there ;-))
[14:32] <sense> Good!
[14:32] <simar> sense: though i'm now in bug control but i still get some issues in triaging sometimes ..
[14:32] <simar> sense: here is one https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625853
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625853 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The Google Maps API server rejected you request. The "Client" parameter specified in the request is invalid (dup-of: 624981)" [Low,Invalid]
[14:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 26) (dups: 5) (heat: 134)" [Critical,Fix committed]
[14:33] <simar> sense: i hope you are still there for my querries :P
[14:33] <sense> simar: Of course, let me take a look.
[14:33] <simar> sense: :--)))
[14:34] <sense> simar: I'll answer your questions here.
[14:34] <simar> sense: ok
[14:35] <sense> simar: The Launchpad Registry is a separate project on Launchpad. Therefore you cannot report bugs against it using Apport, which only reports bugs for the Ubuntu project.
[14:35] <sense> Also, you cannot change the affected package to another project, because that is a different thing.
[14:35] <sense> You can only change to a package in the distribution.
[14:36] <yofel> there was a bug open about that as that *should* be made possible :/ (it is possible for questions)
[14:37] <simar> sense: ok .. do you mean i try to change package from firefox to launchpad-registry it will fail??
[14:37] <sense> yofel: Yeah
[14:37] <sense> simar: Yes, because 'launchpad-registry' is not a source package inside the Ubuntu distribution project, but a separate project.
[14:38] <simar> ok i'm more clear now ..
[14:39] <yofel> simar: there is a 'File a bug' button on the main page of every project launchpad.net/<project> - it's just that the ubuntu one redirects to the wiki page for normal users
[14:39] <simar> sense: so this can justify when we see different projects like xserver-xorg-input-udev in Lucid and xserver-xorg-input-udev in Karmic  when it affects both or one of them ..
[14:40] <simar> yofel ok.
[14:40] <sense> simar: That are not projects, but source packages. Distribution projects like Ubuntu differ from regular projects like Launchpad Registry in that they have source packages. Regular projects don't.
[14:41] <simar> sense: ok
[14:43] <simar> sense: Thanks .. :-))
[14:43] <sense> You're welcome.
[14:45] <simar> sense: :)
[14:53] <drew2121> micahg: even though bug 18995 needs to be handled upstream, can i still try developing a fix for it? and just post the patch upstream?
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 18995 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MASTER] "Open With" dialog not user-friendly (affects: 48) (dups: 17) (heat: 373)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18995
[14:54] <devildante> Can someone triage bug 503041?
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 503041 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse lags while moving it and clicking any keys (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503041
[14:55]  * drew2121 looking
[14:57] <drew2121> it looks like its being handled upstream
[14:58] <devildante> drew2121: it's me who reported the bug upstream
[14:58] <penguin42> drew2121: There is nothing that stops you looking at and fixing a bug in upstream; of course you'll have to persuade the upstream guys to take it
[15:01] <devildante> but is this related to this bug being triaged? :p
[15:01] <drew2121> devildante: no...
[15:02] <drew2121> devildante: if its reported upstream and linked to the upstream tracker its "triaged"
[15:02] <devildante> so can someone mark it as Triaged?
[15:03] <ari-tczew> !weekend | devildante
[15:03] <ubot2> devildante: It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week.
[15:04] <devildante> ari-tczew, I know :)
[15:04] <ari-tczew> extra
[15:07] <drew2121> devildante: you cant mark upstream tasks as triaged
[15:08] <devildante> drew2121: I'm talking about the ubuntu package
[15:11] <drew2121> devildante: OH! I'm not familiar with xorg, I'll wait for one of the more familiar Xorg bugcontrol members to judge wether  its triaged or not.
[15:12] <devildante> drew2121: okay :)
[15:13] <drew2121> devildante: sorry, i worded that terribly =P. And i was under the assumption that you wanted me to mark the upstream task triaged =P
[15:14] <devildante> drew2121: nah, I'm no beginner
[15:14] <drew2121> lol, i still am, I'm really only familiar with firefox bugs, even then i still feel like there is tons to learn =)
[15:15] <drew2121> devildante: why haven't you applied to bugcontrol yet if you're so experienced?
[15:15] <devildante> drew2121: but I'm also no expert :p
[15:15] <devildante> maybe later
[15:16] <drew2121> devildante: you dont need to be an expert =P, its whenever you feel comfortable marking bugs triaged =)
[15:16]  * drew2121 <----- Prime example
[15:16] <devildante> hmm...
[15:16]  * yofel was a bugsquad member for half a year until hggdh bugged him to finally apply to BC :P
[15:16] <drew2121> haha =P
[15:17] <devildante> if you bug me enough, I'll apply ;)
[15:17] <yofel> you really just need some experience and have to understand the general policy
[15:17]  * vish too similar to yofel, dint apply until someone said 'stop bothering me with status' you know it already! ;p
[15:18] <devildante> meh
[15:18] <drew2121> i've been triaging bugs on and off since October in 2009
[15:18] <yofel> vish: yeah I remember that, we did apply at the same time iirc :D
[15:18] <devildante> okay, I'll apply
[15:19] <devildante> today or tomorrow :)
[15:19] <vish> yofel: hehe, yeah.. i think it was hggdh who pushed me to apply too! , i think he just got fed up with us :D
[15:19] <drew2121> lol
[15:19]  * penguin42 should do the bugsquad thing at some point rather than just doing flyby triaging
[15:20] <devildante> penguin42, yes, you should
[15:21] <vish> drew2121: hey, are you considering mentoring?  there are a few members who have applied they are in the same time slot as yours, but since ddecator is MIA , there is no one to take care ;)
[15:22] <drew2121> vish: I'm actually on my way out, we can talk later about my availability, because my times has changed a little bit, i need to update my wiki page.
[15:23] <penguin42> devildante: Maybe next time I have a week off to spend some proper time on it
[15:23] <vish> kermiac: i tried ^ :D ... so stlsaint might have to wait for drew2121's reply .. ;)
[15:23] <vish> drew2121: np.. ;)
[15:33]  * devildante finally finished closing bugs in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100708
[15:36] <devildante> vish, thanks for triaging ;)
[15:36] <vish> yw..
[15:39] <penguin42> does anyone know where the source for the daily kernel builds comes from - is it in a git/bzr somewhere?
[15:41] <yofel> we have daily build kernels?
[15:42] <penguin42> yofel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/
[15:43] <yofel> hm, not sure, maybe they're on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git somewhere
[15:47] <penguin42> ah, yeh, it looks like that comes from one of those repos
[15:48]  * hggdh considers vish absolutelty correct -- apply for BC, and bother us on something really important (not just to change status)
[15:48] <hggdh> :-)
[15:49] <vish> yofel: see^ :D
[15:49] <yofel> right :)
[16:15] <micahg> simar: I duped your bug and the fix has been committed, what more is there?
[16:15] <micahg> drew2121: well, you can try, but it's not a papercut
[16:19] <simar> micahg: nothing .. i cleared all remaining issues here  ..thanks though
[16:19] <micahg> simar: so, to answer your questions, launchpad-registry is not part of Ubuntu, hence you can't use ubuntu-bug, and that should answer question 2 as well since there's a bug open for malone (launchpad bugs) about moving tasks
[16:23] <micahg> simar: bug 80902 is why I had to add another task
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 80902 in malone "Can't refile bug report from project to distribution, or vice versa (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 15)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80902
[16:41]  * devildante will be afk for a while
[18:20] <devildante> aye, someone marked bug 1 as Invalid! fortunately, Bilal was fast enough :)
[18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 18 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 557) (heat: 2856)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[18:23] <penguin42> haha
[19:26] <drew2121> vish: Alright, i'm back and i have updated my availablities to my current class/work schedule
[19:27] <drew2121> micahg: i know, i wanted to do it as a school project for my honors class... i would spend some serious time on it =), as it would have to be a completed working implementation, requires at least 4 hours a week of work...
[19:27] <micahg> drew2121: have you tested ff4.0 to see if it's in there?
[19:28] <drew2121> micahg: no...
[19:28] <drew2121> let me boot my VM
[19:29] <drew2121> bah my VM is way outdated... how do i specify newer versions from the ubuntu repos?
[19:32] <micahg> drew2121: use testdrive?
[19:34] <drew2121> micahg: i already have my VM set up though, can i use test drive to just install the FF4.0 packages
[19:34] <micahg> drew2121: no
[19:34] <micahg> drew2121: why not just upgrade?
[19:34] <micahg> drew2121: what do you mean specify new versions?
[19:35] <drew2121> i want to know how to test firefox 4.0, do i need to install it from source?
[19:35] <micahg> drew2121: ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[19:35] <drew2121> thanks
[19:41] <ari-tczew> devildante: Bilal is very young, motivated and promising developer.
[19:42] <devildante> ari-tczew: yeah, he's a really cool guy :)
[19:42] <devildante> and he's probably younger than us all
[19:43] <ari-tczew> devildante: he needs gain a little more expierence with packaging and I'd see him in MOTU crew.
[19:43] <devildante> although I'm ~17 years old, so I'm not that far :p
[19:44] <devildante> ari-tczew: yeah!
[19:45] <drew2121> devildante: dont let youth make you afraid to achieve greatness... physics is a good example, Einstein made all his great findings before he was 25 =).
[19:45] <drew2121> i shouldn't say all, most...
[19:45] <devildante> drew2121: I'll just try my best :)
[19:45] <drew2121> devildante: thats all thats required =)
[19:46] <drew2121> hopefully i'm not the only one with a bug with the maps in LP... anyone else getting a "client" parameter error?
[19:46] <micahg> drew2121: bug 624981
[19:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 30) (dups: 6) (heat: 154)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624981
[19:46] <drew2121> micahg: thanks
[19:47] <devildante> drew2121: that's plaguing us all
[19:48] <drew2121> devildante: i figured it was
[19:48] <devildante> dammit, google :p
[19:48]  * penguin42 would have thought someone would have just quickly commented out the map thing
[19:50] <drew2121> penguin42: i don't think it affects everyone, but they have added a checkbox you can use to remove it =)
[19:50] <charlie-tca> You have to uncheck the box everytime you access the page, though
[19:53] <drew2121> =X
[20:24] <drew2121> firefox 4.0 is called minefield?
[20:25] <charlie-tca> hmmm, does the name fit the appliction?
[20:27] <micahg> drew2121: that's the trunk codename
[20:27] <drew2121> micahg: ok... weird =P
[20:32] <vish> drew2121: hey, yeah, you can add yourself to the list : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors with the time you are available
[20:32] <drew2121> Lol, its different every day, but mostly nights =)
[20:33] <vish> drew2121: heh, well, its the same way you did with ddecator ;) .. no one is available everyday..
[20:34] <drew2121> holy cow, is there a graphical editor? it looks like a mess when i try to edit it =X
[20:34] <micahg> drew2121: for what?
[20:34] <drew2121> the bugsquad mentors list =P
[20:36] <drew2121> micahg: i figured it out... Lol I'm just lazy =D
[20:36] <trinikrono> hey guys if a person attaches a patch to a buig report that fixes a problem
[20:36] <trinikrono> what should we do with it
[20:37] <trinikrono> ask them to send it upstream?
[20:37] <drew2121> trinikrono: bug #?
[20:38] <trinikrono> hey drew2121 bug 236046
[20:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 236046 in checkgmail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "checkgmail tray background colour cannot be changed (affects: 27) (heat: 144)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236046
[20:41] <drew2121> You can send it upstream for them since there is an upstream task, but I would refer credit to Corona. I'm not sure really if it applies though, i'm not familiar with the checkgmail package...
[20:41] <trinikrono> you can install it :D
[20:41] <drew2121> trinikrono: haha, maybe later =D
[20:41] <trinikrono> its just to tell you when you get a new gmail
[20:42] <trinikrono> without logging in all the time
[20:42] <drew2121> i use thunderbird =), and i check it often
[20:42] <trinikrono> drew2121: lemme ask you something
[20:42] <trinikrono> you ever had to try to track a memory leak?
[20:42] <micahg> trinikrono: you should try to make sure to use dep-3: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[20:42] <trinikrono> using valgrind
[20:42] <drew2121> trinikrono: nope =X
[20:43] <trinikrono> micahg: O.o
[20:43] <drew2121> vish: I added myself to the list
[20:44] <trinikrono>  micahg so we should send the patch to the debian package?
[20:45] <drew2121> why is my name drew2121?!
[20:46] <micahg> trinikrono: you can check if Debian has a similar bug filed, if so, then yes, otherwise, just send straight upstrea,
[20:46] <micahg> *upstream
[20:46] <trinikrono> oo i go in the debian bug tracker then
[20:52] <trinikrono> micahg: well its not in the debian bug tracker
[20:52] <drew212> thanks micahg for hooking trinikrono up =)
[20:56] <vish> drew212: You've Got Mail! ;)
[20:56] <drew212> vish: sweet =)
[20:57] <micahg> drew212: np
[20:58] <drew212> micahg: my professor approved my honors project: fixing bug 18995 =)
[20:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 18995 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MASTER] "Open With" dialog not user-friendly (affects: 48) (dups: 17) (heat: 387)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18995
[20:59] <drew212> hopefully this will get my good experience in the triaging/bugfixing process and put me in a position to fix more FF bugs =)
[21:55] <trinikrono> when a bug title has failed to update/upgrade returned exit status 2
[21:55] <trinikrono> should the bug be filed against the package or update manager
[21:56] <lifeless> usually the package
[22:38] <stlsaint> vish: :D
[22:53]  * penguin42 looks at a backtrace and wonders wth to report it against; it's an abort in an X library while running Synergy, but the assert is very odd
[23:35]  * stlsaint patiently awaits the contact from drew212 ;)