[04:08] i have a problem with gnome not aligning my icons even though I've made the auto align selection...http://content.screencast.com/users/j_barnett/folders/Default/media/eb672b79-1028-49bb-ac4b-476684d92cd5/gnome.png [04:10] bye all :) [06:49] <^arky^> hi [06:49] hi [06:51] <^arky^> good to see you micahg, still busy even on weekend [06:51] ^arky^: well, relaxing but available :) [06:52] <^arky^> thanks, I might trouble you when I get stuck with bug cleaning up === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [11:00] * vish sighs at people who hit-n-run bugs, commenting without subscribing to the bug [11:01] gah! if you comment and spam someone they atleast need to subscribe!! :/ [11:02] vish: you ranting again? [11:02] yeah! well humphrey rants and he draws all the silly OMG folks to lp! :/ [11:03] now! i'm not gonna leave them ;p [11:03] i'm subscribe them all to the bug ;p [11:04] haha [11:04] vish: we should make a website, just for your rants "www.mega-vish-rants.com [11:04] " [11:04] heh [11:06] nisshh: half my voes would end if they close commenting on OMG, somehow it draws the crazzies , its like full moon to them ;p [11:07] haha [11:07] nisshh: seriously, some of the comment there hurt upstream sentiments :( it saddens me how [11:07] rude they can get.. [11:07] on OMG, you mean vish? [11:08] yeah, upstreams do read it and the comments, they do take offense.. [11:09] nisshh: if people spent half the time they spend arguing on the comments, they can be useful! :p [11:10] vish: yea, some of them do seem pretty... [11:10] * nisshh tries to think of the right word [11:10] harsh [11:11] vish: i prefer the "i hate it but if they did x it would be great!" [11:11] comments [11:13] yeah , no constructive comments.. [11:13] software is like football, everybody has an opinion on everything, and nobody has the same [11:14] jfi: and everyone disagrees with everyone [11:14] :) [11:14] nisshh: No we don't! [11:14] gorilla: oh, the irony!... [11:14] opinions are *good*, but its just "I hate it, hate it so much, and this much more. they are *** " and nothing useful .. [11:15] nisshh: :-) [11:15] yea [11:15] wow, chromium is buggy atm [11:16] my mouse laggs, the page scrolling laggs [11:16] geez [11:16] lagg is everywhere! [11:16] vish: well, that's because not every opinion are objective, that's like when you look a picture, you like or you don't like, there is not always formal argument, more about feeling [11:17] not about the latest rant , but every rant in there ;) [11:17] which one? the one about the wallpaper?:) [11:17] yea [11:21] found anyone who likes that wallpaper tho? :P [11:21] meh , its just a wallpaper! if you dont like it you have other choices ;p [11:22] if they took the time to write a huge lengthy rant in the comments and dont want to subscribe, it shows how much committed they actually are to make a change.. [11:22] a dev should always consider that a bad comment, is a comment, the guy has taken the time to write something, it means that he pays attention on the software [11:22] still, its pretty crappy, for a redo [11:22] if people write bad comments on the wallpaper that's because they use ubuntu, that's positive [11:22] hmmm, true [11:23] but as i said , it they dont want to subscribe , it really shows how much they are really interested [11:23] I think a lot of people maybe assume that commenting will subscribe them [11:23] I have use lp one or two months without seeing the subcribe option.... [11:23] true many are just not interested in following up [11:24] I thought that I will be notified automaticly [11:24] its just people want to speak their minds! and do you think that half those people really use the default wallpaper? [11:24] vish, and about the wallpaper, I thing that it is very very very important, that's the first thing that new people see [11:24] probably not [11:24] vish, and first impression is very important [11:25] I use the Lucid default, I certainly won't be using the Maverick default :P [11:25] jfi: well, for noobs it is, geeks would change it i about 10 minutes [11:26] it's like Windows default wallpaper being one of those joke 'broken Vista' ones [11:26] nisshh, of course everybody is changing the default wallpaper, even lambda users... but that's the first visual impression! [11:26] some people go to lengths to make up stories, that their co-worker go a migraine from using the wallpaper! Maverick isnt even released ! , which company uses pre-release software in their production environment! [11:26] jfi: yea, i guess [11:26] I just think the design team have done some amazing work the last year but that is not one of them! [11:27] that was quite amusing, but not to say he couldn't have used the walpaper [11:27] well, we dont even know if that wallpaper is genuine [11:27] the new maverick theme is better than lucids though [11:27] thats one good thing at least [11:27] yea [11:51] somebody to confirm #625371 ? I am ready to help compiling the small programm to reproduce the issue:) [11:52] bug 625371 [11:52] Launchpad bug 625371 in indicator-application "app_indicator_set_status does not change the application indicator icon (affects: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625371 [11:52] jfi: that description isn't good. [11:53] gorilla, ha.. why? I am ready to improve it! [11:54] jfi: I was going to object to the underscores but it's correct. [11:55] gorilla, yes, that's the name of the C function in the lib, you can see it in /usr/include/libappindicator-0.1/libappindicator/app-indicator.h [11:56] I have double checked, it is correct [11:56] Yep... just looks odd. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:50] can anyone suggest what to do with bug 625169 [12:50] Launchpad bug 625169 in ubuntu "ubuntu server 10.04amd64 fails to boot after installation on lvm+raid5 (affects: 1) (heat: 3142)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625169 [12:50] it's a pretty nasty failure , but the reporter is saying he thinks the culmination of 3 other bugs [12:51] it doesn't seem right to dupe it to any one of them [14:20] micahg: hi [14:21] am I the only one who has too much timeout problems with lp? :p [14:21] micahg: i hope you can see this .. i have queries there. [14:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625853 [14:21] Launchpad bug 625853 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The Google Maps API server rejected you request. The "Client" parameter specified in the request is invalid (dup-of: 624981)" [Low,Invalid] [14:21] Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 26) (dups: 5) (heat: 134)" [Critical,Fix committed] [14:22] devildante: i hope you are also affected with the bug.. is it same [14:22] devildante: see link [14:22] simar: yes, this is bugging me too [14:23] devildante: what else you get? [14:23] simar: everyone is affected [14:23] devildante: ya [14:23] simar: apart from that, only the usual timeout errors :p [14:24] devildante: no i'm sure i dinnt get any timeout errors ... [14:25] devildante: launchpad seems to turn old now :P [14:25] simar: not always [14:25] simar: but it's annoying when you get it [14:25] sense: hey r u there .. [14:25] simar: even more annoying on the edge server [14:25] hello simar [14:25] well, I get a lot of timeouts, but I'm using edge [14:26] note: edge has a shorter timeout limit than production [14:26] devildante: ya .. atleast i have got a taste of it sometimes before ;-) [14:26] it seems OK for me at the moment [14:26] sense: heya ... how were u? [14:26] yofel: yeah I know ;) [14:27] sense: how were you holidays .. [14:27] simar: They were great, thanks for askin. How have you been? Busy with bug fixing? [14:28] sense: ya, but now a days i got more busy with actual life in university.. [14:29] simar: Ah, real life is calling. [14:29] sense: ya sure :P [14:29] sense: sense: i'm trying to see something in security team.. some testing as of now. [14:29] ok [14:29] Wide interests. :) [14:29] sense: ya .. [14:30] sense: i have got one of my mentees in touchpad area.. [14:30] :) [14:30] sense: so you can expect some good support there ;-)) [14:32] Good! [14:32] sense: though i'm now in bug control but i still get some issues in triaging sometimes .. [14:32] sense: here is one https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625853 [14:32] Launchpad bug 625853 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The Google Maps API server rejected you request. The "Client" parameter specified in the request is invalid (dup-of: 624981)" [Low,Invalid] [14:32] Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 26) (dups: 5) (heat: 134)" [Critical,Fix committed] [14:33] sense: i hope you are still there for my querries :P [14:33] simar: Of course, let me take a look. [14:33] sense: :--))) [14:34] simar: I'll answer your questions here. [14:34] sense: ok [14:35] simar: The Launchpad Registry is a separate project on Launchpad. Therefore you cannot report bugs against it using Apport, which only reports bugs for the Ubuntu project. [14:35] Also, you cannot change the affected package to another project, because that is a different thing. [14:35] You can only change to a package in the distribution. [14:36] there was a bug open about that as that *should* be made possible :/ (it is possible for questions) [14:37] sense: ok .. do you mean i try to change package from firefox to launchpad-registry it will fail?? [14:37] yofel: Yeah [14:37] simar: Yes, because 'launchpad-registry' is not a source package inside the Ubuntu distribution project, but a separate project. [14:38] ok i'm more clear now .. [14:39] simar: there is a 'File a bug' button on the main page of every project launchpad.net/ - it's just that the ubuntu one redirects to the wiki page for normal users [14:39] sense: so this can justify when we see different projects like xserver-xorg-input-udev in Lucid and xserver-xorg-input-udev in Karmic when it affects both or one of them .. [14:40] yofel ok. [14:40] simar: That are not projects, but source packages. Distribution projects like Ubuntu differ from regular projects like Launchpad Registry in that they have source packages. Regular projects don't. [14:41] sense: ok [14:43] sense: Thanks .. :-)) [14:43] You're welcome. [14:45] sense: :) [14:53] micahg: even though bug 18995 needs to be handled upstream, can i still try developing a fix for it? and just post the patch upstream? [14:53] Launchpad bug 18995 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MASTER] "Open With" dialog not user-friendly (affects: 48) (dups: 17) (heat: 373)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18995 [14:54] Can someone triage bug 503041? [14:54] Launchpad bug 503041 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Mouse lags while moving it and clicking any keys (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503041 [14:55] * drew2121 looking [14:57] it looks like its being handled upstream [14:58] drew2121: it's me who reported the bug upstream [14:58] drew2121: There is nothing that stops you looking at and fixing a bug in upstream; of course you'll have to persuade the upstream guys to take it [15:01] but is this related to this bug being triaged? :p [15:01] devildante: no... [15:02] devildante: if its reported upstream and linked to the upstream tracker its "triaged" [15:02] so can someone mark it as Triaged? [15:03] !weekend | devildante [15:03] devildante: It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week. [15:04] ari-tczew, I know :) [15:04] extra [15:07] devildante: you cant mark upstream tasks as triaged [15:08] drew2121: I'm talking about the ubuntu package [15:11] devildante: OH! I'm not familiar with xorg, I'll wait for one of the more familiar Xorg bugcontrol members to judge wether its triaged or not. [15:12] drew2121: okay :) [15:13] devildante: sorry, i worded that terribly =P. And i was under the assumption that you wanted me to mark the upstream task triaged =P [15:14] drew2121: nah, I'm no beginner [15:14] lol, i still am, I'm really only familiar with firefox bugs, even then i still feel like there is tons to learn =) [15:15] devildante: why haven't you applied to bugcontrol yet if you're so experienced? [15:15] drew2121: but I'm also no expert :p [15:15] maybe later [15:16] devildante: you dont need to be an expert =P, its whenever you feel comfortable marking bugs triaged =) [15:16] * drew2121 <----- Prime example [15:16] hmm... [15:16] * yofel was a bugsquad member for half a year until hggdh bugged him to finally apply to BC :P [15:16] haha =P [15:17] if you bug me enough, I'll apply ;) [15:17] you really just need some experience and have to understand the general policy [15:17] * vish too similar to yofel, dint apply until someone said 'stop bothering me with status' you know it already! ;p [15:18] meh [15:18] i've been triaging bugs on and off since October in 2009 [15:18] vish: yeah I remember that, we did apply at the same time iirc :D [15:18] okay, I'll apply [15:19] today or tomorrow :) [15:19] yofel: hehe, yeah.. i think it was hggdh who pushed me to apply too! , i think he just got fed up with us :D [15:19] lol [15:19] * penguin42 should do the bugsquad thing at some point rather than just doing flyby triaging [15:20] penguin42, yes, you should [15:21] drew2121: hey, are you considering mentoring? there are a few members who have applied they are in the same time slot as yours, but since ddecator is MIA , there is no one to take care ;) [15:22] vish: I'm actually on my way out, we can talk later about my availability, because my times has changed a little bit, i need to update my wiki page. [15:23] devildante: Maybe next time I have a week off to spend some proper time on it [15:23] kermiac: i tried ^ :D ... so stlsaint might have to wait for drew2121's reply .. ;) [15:23] drew2121: np.. ;) [15:33] * devildante finally finished closing bugs in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100708 [15:36] vish, thanks for triaging ;) [15:36] yw.. [15:39] does anyone know where the source for the daily kernel builds comes from - is it in a git/bzr somewhere? [15:41] we have daily build kernels? [15:42] yofel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/ [15:43] hm, not sure, maybe they're on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git somewhere [15:47] ah, yeh, it looks like that comes from one of those repos [15:48] * hggdh considers vish absolutelty correct -- apply for BC, and bother us on something really important (not just to change status) [15:48] :-) [15:49] yofel: see^ :D [15:49] right :) [16:15] simar: I duped your bug and the fix has been committed, what more is there? [16:15] drew2121: well, you can try, but it's not a papercut [16:19] micahg: nothing .. i cleared all remaining issues here ..thanks though [16:19] simar: so, to answer your questions, launchpad-registry is not part of Ubuntu, hence you can't use ubuntu-bug, and that should answer question 2 as well since there's a bug open for malone (launchpad bugs) about moving tasks [16:23] simar: bug 80902 is why I had to add another task [16:23] Launchpad bug 80902 in malone "Can't refile bug report from project to distribution, or vice versa (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 15)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80902 [16:41] * devildante will be afk for a while [18:20] aye, someone marked bug 1 as Invalid! fortunately, Bilal was fast enough :) [18:20] Launchpad bug 1 in tilix (and 18 other projects) "Microsoft has a majority market share (affects: 557) (heat: 2856)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [18:23] haha [19:26] vish: Alright, i'm back and i have updated my availablities to my current class/work schedule [19:27] micahg: i know, i wanted to do it as a school project for my honors class... i would spend some serious time on it =), as it would have to be a completed working implementation, requires at least 4 hours a week of work... [19:27] drew2121: have you tested ff4.0 to see if it's in there? [19:28] micahg: no... [19:28] let me boot my VM [19:29] bah my VM is way outdated... how do i specify newer versions from the ubuntu repos? [19:32] drew2121: use testdrive? [19:34] micahg: i already have my VM set up though, can i use test drive to just install the FF4.0 packages [19:34] drew2121: no [19:34] drew2121: why not just upgrade? [19:34] drew2121: what do you mean specify new versions? [19:35] i want to know how to test firefox 4.0, do i need to install it from source? [19:35] drew2121: ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa [19:35] thanks [19:41] devildante: Bilal is very young, motivated and promising developer. [19:42] ari-tczew: yeah, he's a really cool guy :) [19:42] and he's probably younger than us all [19:43] devildante: he needs gain a little more expierence with packaging and I'd see him in MOTU crew. [19:43] although I'm ~17 years old, so I'm not that far :p [19:44] ari-tczew: yeah! [19:45] devildante: dont let youth make you afraid to achieve greatness... physics is a good example, Einstein made all his great findings before he was 25 =). [19:45] i shouldn't say all, most... [19:45] drew2121: I'll just try my best :) [19:45] devildante: thats all thats required =) [19:46] hopefully i'm not the only one with a bug with the maps in LP... anyone else getting a "client" parameter error? [19:46] drew2121: bug 624981 [19:46] Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 30) (dups: 6) (heat: 154)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624981 [19:46] micahg: thanks [19:47] drew2121: that's plaguing us all [19:48] devildante: i figured it was [19:48] dammit, google :p [19:48] * penguin42 would have thought someone would have just quickly commented out the map thing [19:50] penguin42: i don't think it affects everyone, but they have added a checkbox you can use to remove it =) [19:50] You have to uncheck the box everytime you access the page, though [19:53] =X [20:24] firefox 4.0 is called minefield? [20:25] hmmm, does the name fit the appliction? [20:27] drew2121: that's the trunk codename [20:27] micahg: ok... weird =P [20:32] drew2121: hey, yeah, you can add yourself to the list : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors with the time you are available [20:32] Lol, its different every day, but mostly nights =) [20:33] drew2121: heh, well, its the same way you did with ddecator ;) .. no one is available everyday.. [20:34] holy cow, is there a graphical editor? it looks like a mess when i try to edit it =X [20:34] drew2121: for what? [20:34] the bugsquad mentors list =P [20:36] micahg: i figured it out... Lol I'm just lazy =D [20:36] hey guys if a person attaches a patch to a buig report that fixes a problem [20:36] what should we do with it [20:37] ask them to send it upstream? [20:37] trinikrono: bug #? [20:38] hey drew2121 bug 236046 [20:38] Launchpad bug 236046 in checkgmail (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "checkgmail tray background colour cannot be changed (affects: 27) (heat: 144)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/236046 [20:41] You can send it upstream for them since there is an upstream task, but I would refer credit to Corona. I'm not sure really if it applies though, i'm not familiar with the checkgmail package... [20:41] you can install it :D [20:41] trinikrono: haha, maybe later =D [20:41] its just to tell you when you get a new gmail [20:42] without logging in all the time [20:42] i use thunderbird =), and i check it often [20:42] drew2121: lemme ask you something [20:42] you ever had to try to track a memory leak? [20:42] trinikrono: you should try to make sure to use dep-3: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ [20:42] using valgrind [20:42] trinikrono: nope =X [20:43] micahg: O.o [20:43] vish: I added myself to the list [20:44] micahg so we should send the patch to the debian package? [20:45] why is my name drew2121?! [20:46] trinikrono: you can check if Debian has a similar bug filed, if so, then yes, otherwise, just send straight upstrea, [20:46] *upstream [20:46] oo i go in the debian bug tracker then === drew2121 is now known as drew212 [20:52] micahg: well its not in the debian bug tracker [20:52] thanks micahg for hooking trinikrono up =) [20:56] drew212: You've Got Mail! ;) [20:56] vish: sweet =) [20:57] drew212: np [20:58] micahg: my professor approved my honors project: fixing bug 18995 =) [20:58] Launchpad bug 18995 in mozilla-thunderbird (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MASTER] "Open With" dialog not user-friendly (affects: 48) (dups: 17) (heat: 387)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18995 [20:59] hopefully this will get my good experience in the triaging/bugfixing process and put me in a position to fix more FF bugs =) [21:55] when a bug title has failed to update/upgrade returned exit status 2 [21:55] should the bug be filed against the package or update manager [21:56] usually the package [22:38] vish: :D [22:53] * penguin42 looks at a backtrace and wonders wth to report it against; it's an abort in an X library while running Synergy, but the assert is very odd === JanC_ is now known as JanC [23:35] * stlsaint patiently awaits the contact from drew212 ;)