| flan | Just one page left for the server. Yay. | 00:11 |
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| flan | (But it's a big one and I'll have to write at least one support page to feed it information) | 00:11 |
| godbyk | daker: pong. | 00:42 |
| godbyk | daker: Is that from a TeX Live installation? If so, you may want to try a different mirror. | 00:42 |
| Muscovy | Does the Maverick writing freeze mean it's just editing from then on? | 01:08 |
| godbyk | Muscovy: Basically, yeah. | 01:10 |
| Muscovy | I'd better get writing then. | 01:11 |
| Muscovy | :P | 01:11 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I know. We don't have a lot of time. :) | 01:11 |
| Muscovy | Yeah, let's not do this again for Natty. | 01:13 |
| godbyk | It's always a bit of a race since we're try to release the manual at the same time as Ubuntu is released. | 01:15 |
| godbyk | And it's hard to start writing and taking screenshots until after the UI freeze. | 01:15 |
| vish | hrm... | 06:09 |
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| thorwil | i wonder if a green-screening like approach could be applied to the wallpaper for screenshots | 14:47 |
| nisshh | thorwil: what do you mean> | 14:47 |
| nisshh | ? | 14:48 |
| thorwil | nisshh: suppose the default wallpaper will change before release, but we start taking screenshots now. could one switch to seldomly used solid color or a pattern as background, to later on replace all parts of it shining through with the final wallpaper? | 14:49 |
| thorwil | but that was just a quick thought, partial transparency willmake that non-trivial | 14:50 |
| nisshh | thorwil: hmm, yea its doable, but that would take AGES since each one would most likely have to be done individually | 14:50 |
| nisshh | it would be different for each screenshot so its probably not automagical | 14:51 |
| flan | Well, a lot of screenshots won't expose any part of the wallpaper at all. | 15:49 |
| flan | So we could define all of those on the Quickshot server once I finish its base implementation in a few hours and start capturing those. | 15:50 |
| flan | Then define the rest once we know what the final wallpaper will look like. | 15:50 |
| flan | start capturing them* | 15:50 |
| flan | Or define everything and just keep the wallpaper-exposing ones disabled until we're ready for them. | 15:51 |
| flan | The hold-up will be the QS client, which, though I'm sure it's getting close to being done, won't be available much before the freeze. | 15:52 |
| flan | I'll be switching focus to help Jenkins with it starting tomorrow. | 15:52 |
| flan | Any web-designer-types around right now? | 16:38 |
| thorwil | hmm | 16:38 |
| flan | (Simple question related to DOM-ordering, 'cause my mind's not working right at the moment) | 16:39 |
| thorwil | flan: that's not my thing, but how about you just ask? :) | 16:40 |
| flan | Because I'm not thinking right. =P | 16:40 |
| flan | <span id="x">Hello!</span> <!--How could I change the value of that element without innerHTML?--> | 16:41 |
| flan | I can't remember which node I need to tweak. | 16:41 |
| flan | And my code's not close enough to complete to just try it. | 16:41 |
| flan | Oh. .data. | 16:43 |
| flan | Issue resolved. | 16:43 |
| thorwil | glad i could be of help ;) | 16:43 |
| flan | Quite. =P | 16:45 |
| jenkins | flan: ping | 19:29 |
| jenkins | nisshh ping | 19:44 |
| flan | Hi. | 19:46 |
| jenkins | hey flan can you have a look at lp:quickshot please | 19:46 |
| flan | What do you want me to look for? | 19:46 |
| jenkins | quickly run does not work giving and error | 19:46 |
| jenkins | *an | 19:47 |
| jenkins | http://paste.ubuntu.com/485544/ | 19:47 |
| jenkins | but the folder is there, i moved everything to do with the program to the "source" folder and now it will not run. I am not sure if it has something to do with a missing package in mavrick as I have jsut changed to it. I thought I had it working again | 19:48 |
| flan | quickshot.py | 19:50 |
| jenkins | that error comes form the quickshot file in the source/bin folder | 19:51 |
| flan | I realize that. But Python expected a .py, .pyc, or .pyc file to match the name of the provided module, unless working with C extensions or doing something low-level with the import engine. | 19:52 |
| flan | expects* | 19:52 |
| flan | You're going to be breaking that monolithic file into smaller pieces anyway, so you might as well start separating it now. | 19:53 |
| flan | I should be (effectively) done with the server in about two hours. | 19:53 |
| jenkins | i am not following completly, that line (that is causing the error) worked before whats wrong with it? | 19:54 |
| flan | From what I can see of your paste, it's that it can't find a module named 'quickshot'. | 19:54 |
| flan | Which is where it expects to find the class you defined. | 19:55 |
| flan | When the 'quickshot' executable file is run directly, its module-name is '__main__', not 'quickshot'. | 19:55 |
| jenkins | I always read that line ( from quickshot import AboutQuickshotDialog ) to be from the folder quickshot import the file AboutQuickshotDialog | 19:56 |
| flan | Nope. | 19:57 |
| flan | From the file 'quickshot.py'. | 19:57 |
| flan | (Or pyc or pyo) | 19:57 |
| flan | It expects to find it either in the current package or in the process's root path, by default. | 19:58 |
| jenkins | well the file AboutQuickshotDialog is in a folder called "quickshot" :/ so has that bit of code always been screwed? | 19:58 |
| flan | import sys; print sys.path to see its search targets and order. | 19:58 |
| flan | Where's the file that holds the definition? | 19:59 |
| jenkins | the path is imported before the line from.... | 19:59 |
| jenkins | http://paste.ubuntu.com/485549/ is the file | 20:00 |
| flan | ...An insert into sys.path? | 20:00 |
| flan | Did you write that or was it Simon? | 20:01 |
| jenkins | I don't know who wrote it may have been tommy | 20:01 |
| flan | Eew... | 20:01 |
| jenkins | http://imagebin.org/111924 is the file layout | 20:01 |
| flan | Not Tommy. But that code. | 20:01 |
| jenkins | lol | 20:01 |
| flan | Looks like this is gonna be a busy week. | 20:02 |
| jenkins | yea I have to start learning stuff, I have reached my limit on knoledge | 20:03 |
| flan | That import's going to fail because 'quickshot' isn't resolvable. | 20:03 |
| flan | First, you'll need to define an __init__.py in quickshot/ so Python will recognize the directory as a package. | 20:04 |
| flan | Second, you'll need to make that "import quickshot.AboutQuickshotDialog as AboutQuickshotDialog", unless you're like me and prefer infrequently used references to be explicit. | 20:05 |
| flan | In that case, you'd drop 'as' and refer to the full dotted path every time. | 20:05 |
| jenkins | ok I will have a go at the __inti.py | 20:06 |
| flan | touch __init__.py && bzr add __init__.py | 20:06 |
| flan | It can be empty. | 20:06 |
| jenkins | o it turns out that is just a file :P | 20:06 |
| jenkins | just worked that out | 20:07 |
| flan | It probably should be empty, until you're comfortable with writing packages as libraries. | 20:07 |
| flan | (We won't need to do that here, since you're writing application-level code) | 20:08 |
| jenkins | adding the init file makes it all work again I wonder if I removed it accedently | 20:10 |
| jenkins | yey got it working again fixed another problem | 20:19 |
| flan | Yay. | 20:19 |
| nisshh | jenkins: sorry, i was afk for a while, did you want something? | 20:21 |
| jenkins | hey nisshh I was just going to say i will try and finish my chapter off for the manual. I have been real busy with work lately | 20:21 |
| nisshh | jenkins: cool, i was going to do some work on the dev manual today, but i didnt get home till later so it didnt really work out | 20:22 |
| jenkins | just have to wait for another day then :) | 20:23 |
| nisshh | hehe | 20:23 |
| jenkins | flan: what would be the best way to make a spinner from http://imagebin.org/111925 | 20:23 |
| nisshh | jenkins: anyway, im off to bed its nearly 4am here | 20:23 |
| nisshh | night | 20:23 |
| jenkins | night | 20:23 |
| jenkins | I have the gkt spinner source code but it is not in python http://paste.ubuntu.com/485557/ | 20:25 |
| flan | That should be in pyGTK somewhere. | 20:26 |
| jenkins | i can use it in pyhton but it gives an awful spinner that looks weedy | 20:27 |
| flan | Can you provide a screenshot? | 20:27 |
| flan | It might not be bad as a placeholder. | 20:27 |
| flan | We don't have much time left, and a spinner's less important than having a clean codebase. | 20:28 |
| flan | Making that one work wouldn't be hard, but it'd take time that might be better spent elsehwree at this point. | 20:28 |
| flan | (It'd basically be a matter of loading the image, splitting it into pieces, and blitting those to a widget at regular intervals) | 20:29 |
| jenkins | I will post a screenshot when I can make the spinner work again :) I lost the file with it in | 20:29 |
| flan | If it's not hyper-critical, leave it aside and focus on functionality. | 20:30 |
| flan | We can pack a widget into the box during the pre-Maverick cycle. | 20:30 |
| flan | We'll be using that period as a buffer for testing and polish anyway. (unfortunately) | 20:30 |
| flan | (Stupid me-moving) | 20:30 |
| jenkins | http://imagebin.org/111927 | 20:32 |
| flan | Looks fine to me. Until we have time to do something better. | 20:33 |
| flan | But that one has the advantage of improving authomatically. | 20:33 |
| flan | As GTK gets better (or the user gets better themes for the engine), the spinner should look better, too. | 20:33 |
| jenkins | I need to work out this whole inheritance thing. Can i use the inheritance thing to import a spinner and a text box into the space of the tables whilst the data is being downlaoded? | 20:34 |
| flan | Re-inventing the wheel (literally) may be counter-productive here. | 20:34 |
| jenkins | well there is a better spinner in evolution and other programs | 20:34 |
| flan | Y...es... but probabky not the way you're imagining it. | 20:34 |
| flan | You'll probably want a library of UI eyecandy for that. | 20:35 |
| flan | With functions you can call that return appropriate GTK objects to pack into boxes. | 20:35 |
| flan | Data's going to download pretty fast now. | 20:35 |
| jenkins | ok I will leave them out for now | 20:36 |
| flan | The whole bzr layer's gone and it's running in SQLite/filesystem stuff. | 20:36 |
| flan | It should be no slower than the time it takes to ping, plus a millisecond or ten. | 20:36 |
| flan | http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/10-04/en_CA/_progress However long it takes for you to download this is how long the user'd need to wait to get data from the network. | 20:37 |
| jenkins | cool that is fast so how do i get the data into the program? | 20:37 |
| flan | http://pastebin.com/PvJiGeKv | 20:39 |
| flan | It'll be faster once I turn off debug mode ont he server. | 20:39 |
| flan | Just create a session using one of the two profvided functions and then call query_progress(). | 20:40 |
| flan | It returns data in much the same way as the old system. | 20:40 |
| flan | (needed, pending, accepted) | 20:40 |
| flan | The main difference is that you'll get both a localized friendly name and the internal system name. | 20:40 |
| flan | The user needs to see the friendly name, while the server needs to get the system name in any upload/download requests. | 20:41 |
| jenkins | which provided functions? | 20:42 |
| flan | client/__init__.py They're near the bottom. | 20:42 |
| flan | Everything's documented. | 20:42 |
| flan | Put client/ into a lib/ directory and import it as 'lib/client'. | 20:43 |
| flan | You can rename it if you want. | 20:43 |
| flan | Er... | 20:43 |
| flan | lib/client* | 20:43 |
| flan | lib.client* | 20:43 |
| * flan eats keyboard. | 20:43 | |
| jenkins | ok thanks I will have a read and paly | 20:44 |
| flan | Usage samples can be found in r142 on the server branch. | 20:44 |
| flan | It'll provide details like screen resolution, too. | 20:45 |
| flan | It's worth playing around with the library from an interpreter. | 20:45 |
| jenkins | will do | 20:46 |
| jenkins | night all, thanks for you help flan | 21:28 |
| flan | G'night~ | 21:28 |
| * flan pushes support for rejecting screenshots. | 21:28 | |
| flan | Just two more features left~ | 21:28 |
| flan | Aww... He left too quickly. :( | 21:29 |
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| flan | QS server's effectively done. Yay. | 23:03 |
| flan | Just need to comment it all (hundreds of functions!) and get feedback from real users... which, unfortunately, won't happen until it's actually needed. | 23:04 |
| flan | Hooray for moving! | 23:04 |
| flan | godbyk, it seems I have no trouble hosting it from home, and I still need to write a couple of support scripts and document how to host it on something common, like mod_wsgi, so I'll probably just run the site through this cycle. It'll make it easier to fix any bugs that might come up, too. | 23:08 |
| flan | If hosting from home becomes an issue, I'll move it to my webhost or put it on one of my Debian boxes at work and bounce DNS from my host. | 23:10 |
| flan | (Or let you set up a DNS record for it) | 23:11 |
| flan | (Which we could also do for hosting from home, if you want things to look consistent) | 23:11 |
| flan | (Just cname against hamsterx.homelinux.org, since my home IP is technically dynamic) | 23:11 |
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