| Gibby_2 | what is the mirobridge package name? | 01:11 |
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| Gibby_2 | I am getting this error on my backend when I open the control center: "Exception in captureState of plugin Mirobridgeconfig. Disabling Plugin." However I never installed the plugin | 01:17 |
| tgm4883 | Gibby, IIRC, it's part of the mythbuntu-common package | 01:39 |
| tgm4883 | rather, Gibby_2 ^ | 01:40 |
| Gibby_2 | hmm ok, i never installed it, but want to, however since it disables it, i can't | 01:55 |
| tgm4883 | Gibby_2, launch mcc from the command line, it should print why it is getting disabled | 01:58 |
| Gibby_2 | http://pastebin.com/hM4r781B | 02:09 |
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| tgm4883 | Gibby, hmm | 02:18 |
| tgm4883 | MiroBridge requiries an Internet connection | 02:18 |
| Gibby_2 | well i have 1 lol | 02:18 |
| tgm4883 | are you going through a proxy? | 02:18 |
| Gibby_2 | nope | 02:18 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 02:18 |
| * tgm4883 shrugs | 02:18 | |
| Gibby_2 | do you know how it tries to test? | 02:18 |
| tgm4883 | maybe try in #mythtv-users | 02:18 |
| tgm4883 | sec, let me look | 02:18 |
| Gibby_2 | disregard i found it | 02:23 |
| tgm4883 | Gibby_2, it tries to open google.com | 02:23 |
| tgm4883 | urllib2.urlopen('http://www.google.com') | 02:23 |
| Gibby_2 | that is what i found too, tested and it works, so i tried again and got a new error it has to do with a NFS mount with permissions | 02:25 |
| tgm4883 | Gibby, yea, i'm having a similar issue | 02:29 |
| tgm4883 | actually, i fixed that one now apparently | 02:30 |
| tgm4883 | Gibby_2, looks like the NFS mount needs to have the group as mythtv | 02:31 |
| Gibby_2 | yep fixed it, thanks tgm4883 | 02:33 |
| Gibby_2 | tgm4883: You there? | 04:35 |
| tgm4883 | Gibby_2, yep | 04:35 |
| Gibby_2 | n/m, I am following your Hulu Desktop guide and I don't have the /etc/lirc directory... well i don't have any remotes yet so that explains it I think | 04:37 |
| Gibby_2 | ne1 got Hulu desktop working | 17:09 |
| Gibby_2 | I did step 1 and 4 for http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/howto-huludesktop and still nothing | 17:10 |
| Gibby_2 | Does Hulu Desktop have to be installed on the Frontend? | 17:15 |
| Gibby_2 | ComradeHaz`: Insstall this http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb | 18:11 |
| ComradeHaz` | How does one install with ubuntu? | 18:12 |
| ComradeHaz` | I usually do things the Debian Way (tm) | 18:12 |
| Gibby_2 | open a terminal and type wget http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb | 18:12 |
| Gibby_2 | Almost the same in Ubuntu | 18:12 |
| ComradeHaz` | A'ight. | 18:12 |
| Gibby_2 | Ubuntu is based of of Debian | 18:12 |
| ComradeHaz` | I know. | 18:12 |
| Gibby_2 | once download do a dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb | 18:12 |
| Gibby_2 | Then do: dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos | 18:13 |
| Gibby_2 | Select 0.23.1, Select PPA and yes for fixes | 18:13 |
| Gibby_2 | Actually it is yes for testing PPA | 18:14 |
| ComradeHaz` | Oh, awesome, thanks. | 18:15 |
| Gibby_2 | then apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, then lets see ifyou still have same issue with | 18:15 |
| Gibby_2 | mythfronend was crashing right? | 18:15 |
| ComradeHaz` | Yup | 18:16 |
| ComradeHaz` | Seems to be replacing just about everything myth related. | 18:17 |
| Gibby_2 | yep it will | 18:17 |
| ComradeHaz` | 120 odd megs of packages downloading. | 18:17 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hadn't really considered using further upsteam packages... | 18:18 |
| Gibby_2 | anytime you have an issue, you will want to do a apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then see if the issues exists, you will not have 0.23.1 daily builds from the mythbuntu team | 18:18 |
| ComradeHaz` | It should have, I've ended up on debian unstable as I kept moving up to get fixes for things and ended up here :D | 18:18 |
| Gibby_2 | o, you were on 0.24? | 18:19 |
| ComradeHaz` | No, no. | 18:19 |
| Gibby_2 | OK | 18:19 |
| ComradeHaz` | Talking about my other machines. | 18:19 |
| Gibby_2 | ahh ok, did you get the diskless going yet? | 18:19 |
| ComradeHaz` | Not yet. | 18:19 |
| ComradeHaz` | Gonna get this machine in and have a play with a test rig | 18:20 |
| ComradeHaz` | Did you write out the guide you were gonna put together? | 18:20 |
| Gibby_2 | I have added some updates to that wiki, I used Oracle Virtual Box for testing the diskless | 18:20 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm? INteresting. | 18:20 |
| Gibby_2 | http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/network-boot-mythbuntu-diskless | 18:20 |
| ComradeHaz` | I've no experience with diskless machines in any wayunder any os | 18:21 |
| Gibby_2 | hopefully I didn't miss anything on it, should be painless | 18:21 |
| ComradeHaz` | Ehh... | 18:22 |
| ComradeHaz` | 'Mythbuntu diskless server'.....? | 18:22 |
| ComradeHaz` | Runs on what machine? | 18:22 |
| Gibby_2 | i run it on my backend but it actually can be ran on any machine | 18:23 |
| * ComradeHaz` points out he doesn't run ubuntu machines other than this mythbuntu box | 18:23 | |
| Gibby_2 | the trickiest part is editing your dhcp server | 18:23 |
| Gibby_2 | what is your backend? | 18:23 |
| ComradeHaz` | One box for front and back | 18:23 |
| ComradeHaz` | want that to network boot off a Debian box. | 18:24 |
| Gibby_2 | ok, do that procedure on the backend | 18:24 |
| ComradeHaz` | o.O | 18:24 |
| ComradeHaz` | ie front and back are both running on the same machine. | 18:24 |
| Gibby_2 | is that debian box your dhcp server also? | 18:25 |
| ComradeHaz` | Yes. | 18:25 |
| Gibby_2 | hmmmm | 18:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | :) | 18:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | Quite. | 18:26 |
| Gibby_2 | why not run it on the backend box? | 18:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | :D You're not reading! | 18:27 |
| Gibby_2 | I know :0 | 18:27 |
| Gibby_2 | I should still work, what version of debian are you using i will test it | 18:28 |
| Gibby_2 | or we can use teamviewer | 18:28 |
| ComradeHaz` | let's simplify this down. 2 machines in question: 1) My Debian server. (Contains my entire life on 6 1.5TB drives.) 2) Mythbuntu box that I want to network boot off 1). | 18:29 |
| ComradeHaz` | 'Unstable'. Bar about 2 weeks. | 18:29 |
| ComradeHaz` | but go with testing | 18:29 |
| ComradeHaz` | package issues on unstable atm. | 18:29 |
| Gibby_2 | you can not network your backend | 18:29 |
| Gibby_2 | only frontends | 18:30 |
| ComradeHaz` | What do you mean? | 18:30 |
| ComradeHaz` | Why? | 18:30 |
| Gibby_2 | well that is wrong too actually, you could network boot your backend but I don't know why you would want to, since the backend is up all the time | 18:30 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, yes, that's kind of the whole point | 18:31 |
| ComradeHaz` | I don;t want an HDD wherring away in my living room. | 18:31 |
| Gibby_2 | Yep and when you backup the server that is your network boot server, it also backups all your frontends | 18:31 |
| ComradeHaz` | and the backend has to be in there for various reasons. | 18:31 |
| Gibby_2 | the backend is in the living room also? | 18:32 |
| ComradeHaz` | :D | 18:32 |
| ComradeHaz` | Backend == frontend. | 18:32 |
| Gibby_2 | ok, we can get this working :) | 18:32 |
| ComradeHaz` | The thing I couldn't see was how to make it so changes are written backl rather than it booting like a live cd. | 18:33 |
| Gibby_2 | I think I understand your config now, you backend is also your frontend and it is in the living room and you don't want any hard drives in it right? | 18:33 |
| Gibby_2 | The changes being saved are quite easy :) | 18:33 |
| ComradeHaz` | Correct. | 18:33 |
| Gibby_2 | however, you current myth backend/frontend config will be whiped | 18:34 |
| Gibby_2 | wiped i mean | 18:34 |
| ComradeHaz` | That's slightly saddening though not desperately so. | 18:34 |
| Gibby_2 | hope you haven't gotten to far in the setup | 18:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | OK | 18:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | Looking good. | 18:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | (DVD playback) | 18:35 |
| Gibby_2 | Your debian server, it runs DHCP right? | 18:35 |
| Gibby_2 | A DHCP I mean | 18:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | dhcp3 running isc | 18:36 |
| Gibby_2 | ok | 18:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | It seems my dinner is ready, which is kind of good and kind of irritating! :D | 18:37 |
| Gibby_2 | i am going to stand up a debian test server and check the diskless setup on it | 18:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | Awesome. | 18:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | I will be back as fast as I can politely be! :D | 18:38 |
| Gibby_2 | np | 18:38 |
| ComradeHaz` | OK. Meat not quite cooked :D | 18:42 |
| ComradeHaz` | Anything I can do? | 18:42 |
| ComradeHaz` | for example any of my configs you want to see? | 18:43 |
| Gibby_2 | don't tink so | 18:43 |
| ComradeHaz` | Will any of this process modify (to the point of 'breaking') the current install on teh disk of my myth box or is it simply a case of copying files from it? | 18:45 |
| ComradeHaz` | Also, when I installed I noticed there was an option to install a vnc server. I think I did. What vnc server is it? I was expecting X11vnc... | 18:46 |
| Gibby_2 | Ubuntu has a built in VNC, basically you just enabled it | 18:48 |
| Gibby_2 | no it will not break the current install of myth but when you do the network boot, you will have to setup the backend/frontend again | 18:48 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm. I see. | 18:49 |
| * ComradeHaz` grabs a random box and installs Mythbuntu | 18:49 | |
| ComradeHaz` | hmm, pointing a vnc viewer at my mythbox draws a blank.... | 18:50 |
| ComradeHaz` | OK, food done. biab | 18:50 |
| Gibby_2 | hmm the debian install is not going so well, the kernel part of the install is failing of Vbox | 19:01 |
| ComradeHaz` | hmm | 19:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, what're you thinking? | 19:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | hmm | 19:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | wonder if I can rig up a box you can drop onto | 19:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | Shall I try? | 19:26 |
| ComradeHaz` | Really only got one spare box though | 19:29 |
| Gibby_2 | nah that is ok for now, it is installing now i think | 19:29 |
| ComradeHaz` | Cool | 19:29 |
| Gibby_2 | it is a net install so going to take awhile | 19:32 |
| ComradeHaz` | A'ight, no worries | 19:34 |
| ComradeHaz` | Just doing an install of Mythbuntu on an old box as I guess we'll be able to use that as our start point? | 19:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | Or at least as a test | 19:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm | 19:36 |
| ComradeHaz` | How do I use the vnc service?! | 19:36 |
| * ComradeHaz` begins to wonder if he did install one | 19:36 | |
| Gibby_2 | open the myth control center | 19:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | Oh gash :D | 19:37 |
| * ComradeHaz` plugs the monitor back in | 19:37 | |
| Gibby_2 | o | 19:38 |
| ComradeHaz` | Uh.... then what | 19:40 |
| * ComradeHaz` has just failed to figure it out on hs own! | 19:40 | |
| ComradeHaz` | Got it. | 19:41 |
| ComradeHaz` | Oh, btw, Debian box is x64 | 19:43 |
| ComradeHaz` | Not sure if it makes any odds. | 19:43 |
| ComradeHaz` | Heh | 19:44 |
| ComradeHaz` | !curse | 19:44 |
| Zinn | Sorry I don't know about curse | 19:44 |
| ComradeHaz` | :D | 19:44 |
| Gibby_2 | lol, so you got the VNC part? | 19:53 |
| ComradeHaz` | Aye, working now | 19:53 |
| Gibby_2 | wish my internet was faster, going to be awhile on this debian install | 19:57 |
| ComradeHaz` | :S | 19:57 |
| ComradeHaz` | What speed is it? | 19:57 |
| Gibby_2 | 5/1 but barely get 1 down | 19:58 |
| ComradeHaz` | 5/1? | 19:58 |
| Gibby_2 | 5down 1 up | 19:58 |
| ComradeHaz` | Oh. | 19:58 |
| ComradeHaz` | 1 up is a lot :D | 19:58 |
| ComradeHaz` | 5 down isn't :D | 19:58 |
| Gibby_2 | 1 up is not alot, i had 10 down 10 up | 19:59 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, yeah, we all went to uni once :D | 19:59 |
| Gibby_2 | but my ISP is having a bandwidth issue | 19:59 |
| ComradeHaz` | 10 u/d at home?!! | 19:59 |
| Gibby_2 | so they made everyone go back to 5 down and 1 up, i get about 1down and .5 up | 19:59 |
| ComradeHaz` | Awesome :D | 19:59 |
| Gibby_2 | Yep, I have fiber to my house | 20:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | :S | 20:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | Less awesome. | 20:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm, SC? | 20:01 |
| Gibby_2 | Yep | 20:02 |
| Gibby_2 | Fiber1SC is the company, they SUCK | 20:02 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, rather better than what I can get :d | 20:02 |
| ComradeHaz` | stick NR28 9LX into google earth :D | 20:02 |
| Gibby_2 | don't have google earth :) | 20:04 |
| ComradeHaz` | well | 20:05 |
| ComradeHaz` | google maps | 20:05 |
| ComradeHaz` | sorry. | 20:05 |
| Gibby_2 | ahh, my dad is over there now working | 20:05 |
| Gibby_2 | well cambridge | 20:05 |
| ComradeHaz` | Ahh, just down the road, really :D | 20:06 |
| Gibby_2 | what do you have? | 20:07 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm? | 20:07 |
| ComradeHaz` | broadband? | 20:07 |
| Gibby_2 | speed? | 20:07 |
| ComradeHaz` | Slightly worse than usual today as raining | 20:09 |
| ComradeHaz` | http://www.speedtest.net/result/932676517.png | 20:09 |
| Zinn | [www.speedtest.net] | 20:09 |
| Gibby_2 | b/c it is raining? | 20:11 |
| ComradeHaz` | Yep :D | 20:11 |
| ComradeHaz` | Don't laugh! It's not funny! | 20:11 |
| ComradeHaz` | OK | 20:12 |
| ComradeHaz` | Mythbuntu installed on a test-rig | 20:12 |
| ComradeHaz` | Right, Gibby old thing, what now?! :D | 20:19 |
| Gibby_2 | what is the purpose of mythbuntu on the test-rig? | 20:27 |
| ComradeHaz` | Use as either the source of the network boot files or at least a 'practice run' | 20:28 |
| ComradeHaz` | Assuming you didn't missunderstand me earlier when I said "Will any of this process modify (to the point of 'breaking') the current install on teh disk of my myth box or is it simply a case of copying files from it?" | 20:28 |
| Gibby_2 | well no we can not just copy files, there are database things that would need to be copied and I am not a DB person. However try following that procedure for the diskless install | 20:32 |
| ComradeHaz` | which procedure? | 20:33 |
| ComradeHaz` | at the moment I am trying to decide if I want to risk resizing my LVM's on my server so I have a special place for the Mythbuntu system or if I want to just stick it on an existing file-system | 20:34 |
| Gibby_2 | i would stick in on the existing file-system in its own directory but that would depend on how your LVM is setup | 20:36 |
| ComradeHaz` | On a RAID 5 :D | 20:37 |
| Gibby_2 | You said you wanted to use it as a practice run for a network server | 20:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | Could end badly. | 20:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | I did? | 20:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | I think you missunderstoodified again! | 20:37 |
| Gibby_2 | lol | 20:37 |
| Gibby_2 | missunderstoodified? lol | 20:38 |
| ComradeHaz` | ;) | 20:38 |
| ComradeHaz` | Yeah, we still thake the piss out of Bush :D | 20:38 |
| ComradeHaz` | Anyway. Should I be trying to do something, or am I essentially awaiting your pearls of Wisdom. | 20:39 |
| ComradeHaz` | (?) | 20:39 |
| Gibby_2 | well i am confused then what the new mythtbuntu install you did is for | 20:40 |
| ComradeHaz` | Me too. | 20:40 |
| ComradeHaz` | Forget it! | 20:40 |
| Gibby_2 | lol ok, why not use it as the backend and then just have frontend in the living room | 20:41 |
| ComradeHaz` | not powerful enough | 20:41 |
| ComradeHaz` | barely enough power to turn on :d | 20:41 |
| Gibby_2 | hmmmmmmmm ok | 20:41 |
| ComradeHaz` | (and I have nough machines running, any more and we won;t be able to pay our electric!) | 20:41 |
| Gibby_2 | lol, that is 1 problem of having a lot of computers | 20:42 |
| ComradeHaz` | Yeah, further that witht eh fact I am cursed when it comes to HDD failurs and the less machines relying on individual drives I have the better. | 20:43 |
| Gibby_2 | hmmm, | 20:45 |
| Gibby_2 | as far as I can tell ifyou want to network boot your frontend/backend you will have to start all over on your backend configs | 20:46 |
| ComradeHaz` | to repeat and clarify. 2 boxes. My server (MUST NOT F*** UP) providing box in living room with a netwwork bootable Mythbuntu. | 20:46 |
| Gibby_2 | and the living room will be both frontend/backend? | 20:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | Correct. | 20:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | Startig over is not a problem. | 20:47 |
| Gibby_2 | ok, so yeah you will have to wait until i test making debian a network boot server with mythbuntu image or you can try | 20:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, I am happy to try things (carefully) | 20:48 |
| ComradeHaz` | but I have no idea where to start! | 20:48 |
| Gibby_2 | does debian recognize apt-get? or just dpkg? | 20:48 |
| ComradeHaz` | well, I use aptitude, but yeah, essentially most of that sort of thing seems to be same as Ubuntu. | 20:49 |
| ComradeHaz` | but you can of course just tell me to install X and allow me to interperate. | 20:49 |
| ComradeHaz` | I'm not a total noob | 20:49 |
| ComradeHaz` | just totally noob to this aspect of things! | 20:49 |
| Gibby_2 | ok, well you need a tftpd server on your debian server and the mythbuntu-diskless package | 20:50 |
| ComradeHaz` | Right. The latter I will of course have to deal with manually/ | 20:50 |
| Gibby_2 | well getting the deb manually | 20:50 |
| ComradeHaz` | Aye. | 20:50 |
| ComradeHaz` | Will have to find that.... | 20:50 |
| ComradeHaz` | Isn't mythbuntu-diskless just a frontend though? | 20:54 |
| Gibby_2 | noep | 20:55 |
| Gibby_2 | nope | 20:55 |
| Gibby_2 | it is bascially a mythbuntu image, you can add any packages you want | 20:56 |
| Gibby_2 | how much recording and commericial removing are you going to do? | 20:56 |
| ComradeHaz` | I see. And it's possible for changes to be written back so it doesn't just run like a live cd? | 20:56 |
| Gibby_2 | yep | 20:56 |
| ComradeHaz` | Later potentially a fair bit of recording | 20:56 |
| ComradeHaz` | As for commercial removing, I've not played with things enough to even know what that entails) | 20:57 |
| Gibby_2 | what kind of network do you have from your server to your livinig room? wireless/100mb/1000mb? | 20:57 |
| ComradeHaz` | gigabit. | 20:57 |
| ComradeHaz` | getting about 90MB/s read and write. | 20:57 |
| Gibby_2 | ok good, 100bm or even wireless might cause a bottleneck for the backend | 20:57 |
| Gibby_2 | nice, i have gigbit but don't get that have played with the settings enough yet | 20:58 |
| Gibby_2 | haven't i meant | 20:58 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, that's probably because the server is a raid5 | 20:58 |
| ComradeHaz` | each HDD is probably doign about 30MB/s read/write | 20:59 |
| ComradeHaz` | but as it's essentially reading from 4 at once it ends up a bit faster | 20:59 |
| Gibby_2 | true i am still in a raid 1 under LVM, going to raid1+0 when my other HD's show up | 20:59 |
| ComradeHaz` | Aye, I just ran ghost for a while | 21:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | but seemed to make sense to go this way when I wanted to up the storage. | 21:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | having twice the storage for redundancyfelt too expensive | 21:01 |
| ComradeHaz` | no 'spare drives' atm, but might change that soonish. | 21:01 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm, mythbuntu-diskless-server is tiny | 21:02 |
| ComradeHaz` | was expecting a large package.... | 21:02 |
| Gibby_2 | nope not that large, at the point you biuld your image it downloads mythbuntu | 21:03 |
| ComradeHaz` | Ah, I see. | 21:04 |
| Gibby_2 | do you have any other frontends you are going to network boot? | 21:04 |
| ComradeHaz` | Not at the moment | 21:05 |
| Gibby_2 | ok, i have the deb's just got to figure out where to put them so you can grab them | 21:05 |
| ComradeHaz` | That, presumably, would require another image/ | 21:05 |
| ComradeHaz` | debs for what? | 21:05 |
| ComradeHaz` | OK, Gibby_2, mythbuntu-diskless-server installed and hopefully all dependancies satisfied! | 21:10 |
| Gibby_2 | Ahh ok, on your debian server? | 21:10 |
| ComradeHaz` | Yep. | 21:11 |
| Gibby_2 | ok next install tftpd-hpa | 21:11 |
| ComradeHaz` | Done. | 21:11 |
| Gibby_2 | Perfect, follow the howto from there | 21:14 |
| Gibby_2 | Stop at Configure the DHCP server | 21:14 |
| ComradeHaz` | Could you link me again? | 21:16 |
| ComradeHaz` | Sorry! | 21:16 |
| Gibby_2 | http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/network-boot-mythbuntu-diskless | 21:18 |
| ComradeHaz` | Thanks pal | 21:21 |
| ComradeHaz` | By the way, did you notice my server is 64 bit? | 21:22 |
| ComradeHaz` | Does that matter? | 21:22 |
| Gibby_2 | it shouldn't | 21:23 |
| ComradeHaz` | Cool. | 21:24 |
| Gibby_2 | what is your front/back end? | 21:24 |
| ComradeHaz` | TFTP_DIRECTORY="/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386" <--- will that not make it store the mythbuntu image in that location? | 21:24 |
| ComradeHaz` | As far as I know mythbuntu is only available as 32 bit. | 21:24 |
| * ComradeHaz` tentatively pokes Gibby_2 | 21:30 | |
| Gibby_2 | zuj | 21:33 |
| ComradeHaz` | o.O | 21:33 |
| ComradeHaz` | wb :) | 21:33 |
| ComradeHaz` | Did you fall asleep!? | 21:33 |
| Gibby_2 | was eating dinner | 21:33 |
| ComradeHaz` | Ah, furry :) | 21:33 |
| Gibby_2 | that will be fine | 21:34 |
| ComradeHaz` | Where will it stick the bulk of the fiels/ | 21:34 |
| ComradeHaz` | *files | 21:34 |
| Gibby_2 | /opt/ltsp is where the orignal image will be, any changes will be saved in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless | 21:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | /opt?! | 21:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | I don't have a /opt partition.... | 21:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | Oh | 21:36 |
| ComradeHaz` | bit I do have such a directory on root.... | 21:36 |
| ComradeHaz` | Nothign in it. | 21:36 |
| ComradeHaz` | Can that be configured? | 21:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | My /root isn't huge. | 21:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | Gibby_2, not that comfortable with line: sudo ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-user-credentials="your-user-id-here:your-password-here" | 21:44 |
| ComradeHaz` | What password? | 21:44 |
| ComradeHaz` | or am I specifying the user and password the setup will create? | 21:45 |
| Gibby_2 | yep you specify the userid and the password | 21:46 |
| Gibby_2 | pick whatever you want just don't use mythtv | 21:46 |
| Gibby_2 | Also you can make /opt its own FS if you want to | 21:46 |
| Gibby_2 | What time is it there? | 21:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | 21:50 | 21:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | *9:50 | 21:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | ;) | 21:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm, I can't trivially do that without messing with my lvm's | 21:47 |
| Gibby_2 | yes I know military time, very well... Trying to get ahold of my dad, we rent some servers and are changing | 21:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | how much space will this use in /opt? | 21:48 |
| Gibby_2 | Sure you can | 21:48 |
| Gibby_2 | give it 5Gigs | 21:48 |
| Gibby_2 | do you have any free space on your LVM? | 21:48 |
| ComradeHaz` | Nope. | 21:48 |
| Gibby_2 | you can make a symbolic link also | 21:49 |
| ComradeHaz` | $b$b /dev/mapper/vg00-root 5.0G 487M 4.2G 11% / | 21:49 |
| ComradeHaz` | Gonna have to. | 21:49 |
| Gibby_2 | hold on | 21:49 |
| ComradeHaz` | Daren't risk resizing now. I am notoriously bad at it! | 21:50 |
| ComradeHaz` | My friends teaze me for making catastophic cock-ups when configuring my machines! | 21:50 |
| Gibby_2 | my /opt/ltsp direcotyr is only 2.1G so I would say make it 2.5G | 21:50 |
| Gibby_2 | well all you would have to do is shrink a logical volume by 3 or 4 gis | 21:51 |
| Gibby_2 | granted you will have to take it offline since you can only grow online | 21:51 |
| ComradeHaz` | Meh, I wanted to shrink home, but both my parents are working, so can't | 21:54 |
| ComradeHaz` | How would I go about making it a symbolic link? | 21:54 |
| ComradeHaz` | Bugger it. 2.1Gig you reckon? Let's try it. | 21:56 |
| Gibby_2 | is it ext4? | 22:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | 3 | 22:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | and I think there is an error at: sudo ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-user-credentials="your-user-id-here:your-password-here" | 22:00 |
| Gibby_2 | let me get my procedure for it | 22:00 |
| ComradeHaz` | It seems one can specify the destination with --base | 22:01 |
| Gibby_2 | so ltsp-build-client failed? | 22:02 |
| ComradeHaz` | I think that command is missing an option. | 22:02 |
| Gibby_2 | use pastebin and put the error there | 22:03 |
| superm1 | tgm4883, i knew about that. it's supposed to be NA if the backend config file (/etc/default/mythtv-backend) isn't modified because it should be removed on upgrade | 22:04 |
| ComradeHaz` | unrecognized option mythbuntu and mythbuntu-user-cred.... etc | 22:04 |
| ComradeHaz` | they're not options, they're values of options. | 22:04 |
| ComradeHaz` | That said, I cannot see what options those values might apply to | 22:06 |
| ComradeHaz` | I am wondering if ltsp is 'customized' towards debian or ubuntu depending on who package it. | 22:07 |
| Gibby_2 | what is the output of ltsp-build-client --extra-help | 22:07 |
| ComradeHaz` | A lot. One sec. | 22:07 |
| Gibby_2 | use pastebin | 22:07 |
| Gibby_2 | and the output of dpkg -l ltsp-server | 22:10 |
| ComradeHaz` | http://haz.red-army.org.uk/ltsp | 22:12 |
| Zinn | [haz.red-army.org.uk] | 22:12 |
| Gibby_2 | you need ubuntu's version of ltsp-server | 22:13 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm, that could get messy, couldn't it? | 22:14 |
| Gibby_2 | nope | 22:14 |
| ComradeHaz` | In terms of my package manager? | 22:14 |
| Gibby_2 | you won't install from package manager, install from the deb | 22:14 |
| ComradeHaz` | A'ight. Let me try to find the ubuntu version | 22:15 |
| ComradeHaz` | Which version? | 22:17 |
| ComradeHaz` | Gah, there's no deb available. | 22:18 |
| Gibby_2 | i will get you the deb hold on | 22:19 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm, I am being warned off installing the ubuntu version of ltsp by the debian guru's :S | 22:24 |
| Gibby_2 | Why? you don't need it for anything else | 22:28 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, I can't make an informed decision as I don't understand how it works.... | 22:30 |
| Gibby_2 | hmm well we are stuck then | 22:31 |
| ComradeHaz` | Can you shed light on how it works and what you might see as potential risks | 22:31 |
| ComradeHaz` | ? | 22:31 |
| ComradeHaz` | From what I have seen of that guys chatting before he seems knowledgable | 22:32 |
| ComradeHaz` | though he is refusing to assist on this as he claims it's not a debian issue even though the base system is debian..... | 22:32 |
| Gibby_2 | how what works ltsp? No clue really, I know we need it to build the boot image | 22:33 |
| Gibby_2 | should have been installed with the mythbuntu-diskless package | 22:34 |
| ComradeHaz` | Could we build the boot image elsewhere and import it? | 22:34 |
| Gibby_2 | maybe ........ but I don't know enough about it | 22:34 |
| ComradeHaz` | Could I, for example, do it on the mythbuntu box. | 22:35 |
| Gibby_2 | yes, but i wouldn't know how to port it to your debian box | 22:35 |
| ComradeHaz` | Well, what actually happens after it's been built. Presumably it just sits somehere until something calls on it? | 22:36 |
| ComradeHaz` | what is that something and where does it feature in your guide? | 22:37 |
| Gibby_2 | mostly | 22:37 |
| Gibby_2 | tftp calls it | 22:37 |
| ComradeHaz` | At what point? | 22:38 |
| ComradeHaz` | Does it call the program ltsp, or just the files created by it? | 22:38 |
| ComradeHaz` | I'm trying to make sense of the latter part of your guide but failing. | 22:38 |
| Gibby_2 | not ltsp | 22:39 |
| Gibby_2 | but you need ltsp to update/upgrade the image | 22:39 |
| Gibby_2 | or to save any changes | 22:39 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm. | 22:40 |
| ComradeHaz` | Gash :/ | 22:40 |
| ComradeHaz` | Virtual machine maybe? | 22:40 |
| Gibby_2 | yes that would work | 22:40 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm, suggestions on best way to do that? | 22:41 |
| Gibby_2 | xen probably | 22:41 |
| ComradeHaz` | OK, let's explore this avenue verbally. | 22:42 |
| ComradeHaz` | What are the downsides? | 22:42 |
| Gibby_2 | ... none really | 22:42 |
| ComradeHaz` | 1) permanently running a copy of ubuntu on top of my usual server chores <---- no biggy, hardly stress the system. | 22:43 |
| Gibby_2 | yep and xen is this best i hear | 22:43 |
| ComradeHaz` | 2) is the virtual layer 'visible enough' to the network to actually respond to the netboot request? | 22:43 |
| Gibby_2 | yep | 22:43 |
| ComradeHaz` | 3) have I got enough tea left in my pot to make progress with this tonight? | 22:44 |
| Gibby_2 | yes, but i can't help with the xen part | 22:44 |
| Gibby_2 | shouldn't that be pot in the tea...... like grandma's boy | 22:45 |
| ComradeHaz` | hahaha. | 22:45 |
| ComradeHaz` | Nope, never touch it. | 22:45 |
| ComradeHaz` | My brain's too slow already! | 22:45 |
| ComradeHaz` | Hmm | 22:46 |
| ComradeHaz` | I am tempted to be lazy and use something like virtual-box | 22:47 |
| Gibby_2 | oracle VB? | 22:47 |
| ComradeHaz` | yeah | 22:48 |
| ComradeHaz` | is that a bad idea? | 22:48 |
| Gibby_2 | no, i use it, however it doesn't support auto boot | 22:48 |
| ComradeHaz` | as in boot the virtual box on system reboot? | 22:49 |
| ComradeHaz` | Surely a little script could see to that? | 22:49 |
| Gibby_2 | correct | 22:52 |
| ComradeHaz` | I say Gibby_2 old bean! Are you still around? | 23:28 |
| ComradeHaz` | Do I need concern myself as what user I run the virtual machine? | 23:28 |
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