[01:11] what is the mirobridge package name? [01:17] I am getting this error on my backend when I open the control center: "Exception in captureState of plugin Mirobridgeconfig. Disabling Plugin." However I never installed the plugin [01:39] Gibby, IIRC, it's part of the mythbuntu-common package [01:40] rather, Gibby_2 ^ [01:55] hmm ok, i never installed it, but want to, however since it disables it, i can't [01:58] Gibby_2, launch mcc from the command line, it should print why it is getting disabled [02:09] http://pastebin.com/hM4r781B === Twiggy is now known as Twiggy2cents [02:18] Gibby, hmm [02:18] MiroBridge requiries an Internet connection [02:18] well i have 1 lol [02:18] are you going through a proxy? [02:18] nope [02:18] hmm [02:18] * tgm4883 shrugs [02:18] do you know how it tries to test? [02:18] maybe try in #mythtv-users [02:18] sec, let me look [02:23] disregard i found it [02:23] Gibby_2, it tries to open google.com [02:23] urllib2.urlopen('http://www.google.com') [02:25] that is what i found too, tested and it works, so i tried again and got a new error it has to do with a NFS mount with permissions [02:29] Gibby, yea, i'm having a similar issue [02:30] actually, i fixed that one now apparently [02:31] Gibby_2, looks like the NFS mount needs to have the group as mythtv [02:33] yep fixed it, thanks tgm4883 [04:35] tgm4883: You there? [04:35] Gibby_2, yep [04:37] n/m, I am following your Hulu Desktop guide and I don't have the /etc/lirc directory... well i don't have any remotes yet so that explains it I think [17:09] ne1 got Hulu desktop working [17:10] I did step 1 and 4 for http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/howto-huludesktop and still nothing [17:15] Does Hulu Desktop have to be installed on the Frontend? [18:11] ComradeHaz`: Insstall this http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb [18:12] How does one install with ubuntu? [18:12] I usually do things the Debian Way (tm) [18:12] open a terminal and type wget http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb [18:12] Almost the same in Ubuntu [18:12] A'ight. [18:12] Ubuntu is based of of Debian [18:12] I know. [18:12] once download do a dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb [18:13] Then do: dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos [18:13] Select 0.23.1, Select PPA and yes for fixes [18:14] Actually it is yes for testing PPA [18:15] Oh, awesome, thanks. [18:15] then apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, then lets see ifyou still have same issue with [18:15] mythfronend was crashing right? [18:16] Yup [18:17] Seems to be replacing just about everything myth related. [18:17] yep it will [18:17] 120 odd megs of packages downloading. [18:18] Hadn't really considered using further upsteam packages... [18:18] anytime you have an issue, you will want to do a apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then see if the issues exists, you will not have 0.23.1 daily builds from the mythbuntu team [18:18] It should have, I've ended up on debian unstable as I kept moving up to get fixes for things and ended up here :D [18:19] o, you were on 0.24? [18:19] No, no. [18:19] OK [18:19] Talking about my other machines. [18:19] ahh ok, did you get the diskless going yet? [18:19] Not yet. [18:20] Gonna get this machine in and have a play with a test rig [18:20] Did you write out the guide you were gonna put together? [18:20] I have added some updates to that wiki, I used Oracle Virtual Box for testing the diskless [18:20] Hmm? INteresting. [18:20] http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/network-boot-mythbuntu-diskless [18:21] I've no experience with diskless machines in any wayunder any os [18:21] hopefully I didn't miss anything on it, should be painless [18:22] Ehh... [18:22] 'Mythbuntu diskless server'.....? [18:22] Runs on what machine? [18:23] i run it on my backend but it actually can be ran on any machine [18:23] * ComradeHaz` points out he doesn't run ubuntu machines other than this mythbuntu box [18:23] the trickiest part is editing your dhcp server [18:23] what is your backend? [18:23] One box for front and back [18:24] want that to network boot off a Debian box. [18:24] ok, do that procedure on the backend [18:24] o.O [18:24] ie front and back are both running on the same machine. [18:25] is that debian box your dhcp server also? [18:25] Yes. [18:26] hmmmm [18:26] :) [18:26] Quite. [18:26] why not run it on the backend box? [18:27] :D You're not reading! [18:27] I know :0 [18:28] I should still work, what version of debian are you using i will test it [18:28] or we can use teamviewer [18:29] let's simplify this down. 2 machines in question: 1) My Debian server. (Contains my entire life on 6 1.5TB drives.) 2) Mythbuntu box that I want to network boot off 1). [18:29] 'Unstable'. Bar about 2 weeks. [18:29] but go with testing [18:29] package issues on unstable atm. [18:29] you can not network your backend [18:30] only frontends [18:30] What do you mean? [18:30] Why? [18:30] well that is wrong too actually, you could network boot your backend but I don't know why you would want to, since the backend is up all the time [18:31] Well, yes, that's kind of the whole point [18:31] I don;t want an HDD wherring away in my living room. [18:31] Yep and when you backup the server that is your network boot server, it also backups all your frontends [18:31] and the backend has to be in there for various reasons. [18:32] the backend is in the living room also? [18:32] :D [18:32] Backend == frontend. [18:32] ok, we can get this working :) [18:33] The thing I couldn't see was how to make it so changes are written backl rather than it booting like a live cd. [18:33] I think I understand your config now, you backend is also your frontend and it is in the living room and you don't want any hard drives in it right? [18:33] The changes being saved are quite easy :) [18:33] Correct. [18:34] however, you current myth backend/frontend config will be whiped [18:34] wiped i mean [18:34] That's slightly saddening though not desperately so. [18:35] hope you haven't gotten to far in the setup [18:35] OK [18:35] Looking good. [18:35] (DVD playback) [18:35] Your debian server, it runs DHCP right? [18:35] A DHCP I mean [18:36] dhcp3 running isc [18:37] ok [18:37] It seems my dinner is ready, which is kind of good and kind of irritating! :D [18:37] i am going to stand up a debian test server and check the diskless setup on it [18:37] Awesome. [18:38] I will be back as fast as I can politely be! :D [18:38] np [18:42] OK. Meat not quite cooked :D [18:42] Anything I can do? [18:43] for example any of my configs you want to see? [18:43] don't tink so [18:45] Will any of this process modify (to the point of 'breaking') the current install on teh disk of my myth box or is it simply a case of copying files from it? [18:46] Also, when I installed I noticed there was an option to install a vnc server. I think I did. What vnc server is it? I was expecting X11vnc... [18:48] Ubuntu has a built in VNC, basically you just enabled it [18:48] no it will not break the current install of myth but when you do the network boot, you will have to setup the backend/frontend again [18:49] Hmm. I see. [18:49] * ComradeHaz` grabs a random box and installs Mythbuntu [18:50] hmm, pointing a vnc viewer at my mythbox draws a blank.... [18:50] OK, food done. biab [19:01] hmm the debian install is not going so well, the kernel part of the install is failing of Vbox [19:26] hmm [19:26] Well, what're you thinking? [19:26] hmm [19:26] wonder if I can rig up a box you can drop onto [19:26] Shall I try? [19:29] Really only got one spare box though [19:29] nah that is ok for now, it is installing now i think [19:29] Cool [19:32] it is a net install so going to take awhile [19:34] A'ight, no worries [19:35] Just doing an install of Mythbuntu on an old box as I guess we'll be able to use that as our start point? [19:35] Or at least as a test [19:36] Hmm [19:36] How do I use the vnc service?! [19:36] * ComradeHaz` begins to wonder if he did install one [19:37] open the myth control center [19:37] Oh gash :D [19:37] * ComradeHaz` plugs the monitor back in [19:38] o [19:40] Uh.... then what [19:40] * ComradeHaz` has just failed to figure it out on hs own! [19:41] Got it. [19:43] Oh, btw, Debian box is x64 [19:43] Not sure if it makes any odds. [19:44] Heh [19:44] !curse [19:44] Sorry I don't know about curse [19:44] :D [19:53] lol, so you got the VNC part? [19:53] Aye, working now [19:57] wish my internet was faster, going to be awhile on this debian install [19:57] :S [19:57] What speed is it? [19:58] 5/1 but barely get 1 down [19:58] 5/1? [19:58] 5down 1 up [19:58] Oh. [19:58] 1 up is a lot :D [19:58] 5 down isn't :D [19:59] 1 up is not alot, i had 10 down 10 up [19:59] Well, yeah, we all went to uni once :D [19:59] but my ISP is having a bandwidth issue [19:59] 10 u/d at home?!! [19:59] so they made everyone go back to 5 down and 1 up, i get about 1down and .5 up [19:59] Awesome :D [20:00] Yep, I have fiber to my house [20:00] :S [20:00] Less awesome. [20:01] Hmm, SC? [20:02] Yep [20:02] Fiber1SC is the company, they SUCK [20:02] Well, rather better than what I can get :d [20:02] stick NR28 9LX into google earth :D [20:04] don't have google earth :) [20:05] well [20:05] google maps [20:05] sorry. [20:05] ahh, my dad is over there now working [20:05] well cambridge [20:06] Ahh, just down the road, really :D [20:07] what do you have? [20:07] Hmm? [20:07] broadband? [20:07] speed? [20:09] Slightly worse than usual today as raining [20:09] http://www.speedtest.net/result/932676517.png [20:09] [www.speedtest.net] [20:11] b/c it is raining? [20:11] Yep :D [20:11] Don't laugh! It's not funny! [20:12] OK [20:12] Mythbuntu installed on a test-rig [20:19] Right, Gibby old thing, what now?! :D [20:27] what is the purpose of mythbuntu on the test-rig? [20:28] Use as either the source of the network boot files or at least a 'practice run' [20:28] Assuming you didn't missunderstand me earlier when I said "Will any of this process modify (to the point of 'breaking') the current install on teh disk of my myth box or is it simply a case of copying files from it?" [20:32] well no we can not just copy files, there are database things that would need to be copied and I am not a DB person. However try following that procedure for the diskless install [20:33] which procedure? [20:34] at the moment I am trying to decide if I want to risk resizing my LVM's on my server so I have a special place for the Mythbuntu system or if I want to just stick it on an existing file-system [20:36] i would stick in on the existing file-system in its own directory but that would depend on how your LVM is setup [20:37] On a RAID 5 :D [20:37] You said you wanted to use it as a practice run for a network server [20:37] Could end badly. [20:37] I did? [20:37] I think you missunderstoodified again! [20:37] lol [20:38] missunderstoodified? lol [20:38] ;) [20:38] Yeah, we still thake the piss out of Bush :D [20:39] Anyway. Should I be trying to do something, or am I essentially awaiting your pearls of Wisdom. [20:39] (?) [20:40] well i am confused then what the new mythtbuntu install you did is for [20:40] Me too. [20:40] Forget it! [20:41] lol ok, why not use it as the backend and then just have frontend in the living room [20:41] not powerful enough [20:41] barely enough power to turn on :d [20:41] hmmmmmmmm ok [20:41] (and I have nough machines running, any more and we won;t be able to pay our electric!) [20:42] lol, that is 1 problem of having a lot of computers [20:43] Yeah, further that witht eh fact I am cursed when it comes to HDD failurs and the less machines relying on individual drives I have the better. [20:45] hmmm, [20:46] as far as I can tell ifyou want to network boot your frontend/backend you will have to start all over on your backend configs [20:46] to repeat and clarify. 2 boxes. My server (MUST NOT F*** UP) providing box in living room with a netwwork bootable Mythbuntu. [20:47] and the living room will be both frontend/backend? [20:47] Correct. [20:47] Startig over is not a problem. [20:47] ok, so yeah you will have to wait until i test making debian a network boot server with mythbuntu image or you can try [20:48] Well, I am happy to try things (carefully) [20:48] but I have no idea where to start! [20:48] does debian recognize apt-get? or just dpkg? [20:49] well, I use aptitude, but yeah, essentially most of that sort of thing seems to be same as Ubuntu. [20:49] but you can of course just tell me to install X and allow me to interperate. [20:49] I'm not a total noob [20:49] just totally noob to this aspect of things! [20:50] ok, well you need a tftpd server on your debian server and the mythbuntu-diskless package [20:50] Right. The latter I will of course have to deal with manually/ [20:50] well getting the deb manually [20:50] Aye. [20:50] Will have to find that.... [20:54] Isn't mythbuntu-diskless just a frontend though? [20:55] noep [20:55] nope [20:56] it is bascially a mythbuntu image, you can add any packages you want [20:56] how much recording and commericial removing are you going to do? [20:56] I see. And it's possible for changes to be written back so it doesn't just run like a live cd? [20:56] yep [20:56] Later potentially a fair bit of recording [20:57] As for commercial removing, I've not played with things enough to even know what that entails) [20:57] what kind of network do you have from your server to your livinig room? wireless/100mb/1000mb? [20:57] gigabit. [20:57] getting about 90MB/s read and write. [20:57] ok good, 100bm or even wireless might cause a bottleneck for the backend [20:58] nice, i have gigbit but don't get that have played with the settings enough yet [20:58] haven't i meant [20:58] Well, that's probably because the server is a raid5 [20:59] each HDD is probably doign about 30MB/s read/write [20:59] but as it's essentially reading from 4 at once it ends up a bit faster [20:59] true i am still in a raid 1 under LVM, going to raid1+0 when my other HD's show up [21:00] Aye, I just ran ghost for a while [21:00] but seemed to make sense to go this way when I wanted to up the storage. [21:01] having twice the storage for redundancyfelt too expensive [21:01] no 'spare drives' atm, but might change that soonish. [21:02] Hmm, mythbuntu-diskless-server is tiny [21:02] was expecting a large package.... [21:03] nope not that large, at the point you biuld your image it downloads mythbuntu [21:04] Ah, I see. [21:04] do you have any other frontends you are going to network boot? [21:05] Not at the moment [21:05] ok, i have the deb's just got to figure out where to put them so you can grab them [21:05] That, presumably, would require another image/ [21:05] debs for what? [21:10] OK, Gibby_2, mythbuntu-diskless-server installed and hopefully all dependancies satisfied! [21:10] Ahh ok, on your debian server? [21:11] Yep. [21:11] ok next install tftpd-hpa [21:11] Done. [21:14] Perfect, follow the howto from there [21:14] Stop at Configure the DHCP server [21:16] Could you link me again? [21:16] Sorry! [21:18] http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/network-boot-mythbuntu-diskless [21:21] Thanks pal [21:22] By the way, did you notice my server is 64 bit? [21:22] Does that matter? [21:23] it shouldn't [21:24] Cool. [21:24] what is your front/back end? [21:24] TFTP_DIRECTORY="/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386" <--- will that not make it store the mythbuntu image in that location? [21:24] As far as I know mythbuntu is only available as 32 bit. [21:30] * ComradeHaz` tentatively pokes Gibby_2 [21:33] zuj [21:33] o.O [21:33] wb :) [21:33] Did you fall asleep!? [21:33] was eating dinner [21:33] Ah, furry :) [21:34] that will be fine [21:34] Where will it stick the bulk of the fiels/ [21:34] *files [21:35] /opt/ltsp is where the orignal image will be, any changes will be saved in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless [21:35] /opt?! [21:35] I don't have a /opt partition.... [21:36] Oh [21:36] bit I do have such a directory on root.... [21:36] Nothign in it. [21:37] Can that be configured? [21:37] My /root isn't huge. [21:44] Gibby_2, not that comfortable with line: sudo ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-user-credentials="your-user-id-here:your-password-here" [21:44] What password? [21:45] or am I specifying the user and password the setup will create? [21:46] yep you specify the userid and the password [21:46] pick whatever you want just don't use mythtv [21:46] Also you can make /opt its own FS if you want to [21:47] What time is it there? [21:47] 21:50 [21:47] *9:50 [21:47] ;) [21:47] Hmm, I can't trivially do that without messing with my lvm's [21:47] yes I know military time, very well... Trying to get ahold of my dad, we rent some servers and are changing [21:48] how much space will this use in /opt? [21:48] Sure you can [21:48] give it 5Gigs [21:48] do you have any free space on your LVM? [21:48] Nope. [21:49] you can make a symbolic link also [21:49] $b$b /dev/mapper/vg00-root 5.0G 487M 4.2G 11% / [21:49] Gonna have to. [21:49] hold on [21:50] Daren't risk resizing now. I am notoriously bad at it! [21:50] My friends teaze me for making catastophic cock-ups when configuring my machines! [21:50] my /opt/ltsp direcotyr is only 2.1G so I would say make it 2.5G [21:51] well all you would have to do is shrink a logical volume by 3 or 4 gis [21:51] granted you will have to take it offline since you can only grow online [21:54] Meh, I wanted to shrink home, but both my parents are working, so can't [21:54] How would I go about making it a symbolic link? [21:56] Bugger it. 2.1Gig you reckon? Let's try it. [22:00] is it ext4? [22:00] 3 [22:00] and I think there is an error at: sudo ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-user-credentials="your-user-id-here:your-password-here" [22:00] let me get my procedure for it [22:01] It seems one can specify the destination with --base [22:02] so ltsp-build-client failed? [22:02] I think that command is missing an option. [22:03] use pastebin and put the error there [22:04] tgm4883, i knew about that. it's supposed to be NA if the backend config file (/etc/default/mythtv-backend) isn't modified because it should be removed on upgrade [22:04] unrecognized option mythbuntu and mythbuntu-user-cred.... etc [22:04] they're not options, they're values of options. [22:06] That said, I cannot see what options those values might apply to [22:07] I am wondering if ltsp is 'customized' towards debian or ubuntu depending on who package it. [22:07] what is the output of ltsp-build-client --extra-help [22:07] A lot. One sec. [22:07] use pastebin [22:10] and the output of dpkg -l ltsp-server [22:12] http://haz.red-army.org.uk/ltsp [22:12] [haz.red-army.org.uk] [22:13] you need ubuntu's version of ltsp-server [22:14] Hmm, that could get messy, couldn't it? [22:14] nope [22:14] In terms of my package manager? [22:14] you won't install from package manager, install from the deb [22:15] A'ight. Let me try to find the ubuntu version [22:17] Which version? [22:18] Gah, there's no deb available. [22:19] i will get you the deb hold on [22:24] Hmm, I am being warned off installing the ubuntu version of ltsp by the debian guru's :S [22:28] Why? you don't need it for anything else [22:30] Well, I can't make an informed decision as I don't understand how it works.... [22:31] hmm well we are stuck then [22:31] Can you shed light on how it works and what you might see as potential risks [22:31] ? [22:32] From what I have seen of that guys chatting before he seems knowledgable [22:32] though he is refusing to assist on this as he claims it's not a debian issue even though the base system is debian..... [22:33] how what works ltsp? No clue really, I know we need it to build the boot image [22:34] should have been installed with the mythbuntu-diskless package [22:34] Could we build the boot image elsewhere and import it? [22:34] maybe ........ but I don't know enough about it [22:35] Could I, for example, do it on the mythbuntu box. [22:35] yes, but i wouldn't know how to port it to your debian box [22:36] Well, what actually happens after it's been built. Presumably it just sits somehere until something calls on it? [22:37] what is that something and where does it feature in your guide? [22:37] mostly [22:37] tftp calls it [22:38] At what point? [22:38] Does it call the program ltsp, or just the files created by it? [22:38] I'm trying to make sense of the latter part of your guide but failing. [22:39] not ltsp [22:39] but you need ltsp to update/upgrade the image [22:39] or to save any changes [22:40]