[01:11] <Gibby_2> what is the mirobridge package name?
[01:17] <Gibby_2> I am getting this error on my backend when I open the control center: "Exception in captureState of plugin Mirobridgeconfig. Disabling Plugin." However I never installed the plugin
[01:39] <tgm4883> Gibby, IIRC, it's part of the mythbuntu-common package
[01:40] <tgm4883> rather, Gibby_2 ^
[01:55] <Gibby_2> hmm ok, i never installed it, but want to, however since it disables it, i can't
[01:58] <tgm4883> Gibby_2, launch mcc from the command line, it should print why it is getting disabled
[02:09] <Gibby_2> http://pastebin.com/hM4r781B
[02:18] <tgm4883> Gibby, hmm
[02:18] <tgm4883> MiroBridge requiries an Internet connection
[02:18] <Gibby_2> well i have 1 lol
[02:18] <tgm4883> are you going through a proxy?
[02:18] <Gibby_2> nope
[02:18] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:18]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[02:18] <Gibby_2> do you know how it tries to test?
[02:18] <tgm4883> maybe try in #mythtv-users
[02:18] <tgm4883> sec, let me look
[02:23] <Gibby_2> disregard i found it
[02:23] <tgm4883> Gibby_2, it tries to open google.com
[02:23] <tgm4883> urllib2.urlopen('http://www.google.com')
[02:25] <Gibby_2> that is what i found too, tested and it works, so i tried again and got a new error it has to do with a NFS mount with permissions
[02:29] <tgm4883> Gibby, yea, i'm having a similar issue
[02:30] <tgm4883> actually, i fixed that one now apparently
[02:31] <tgm4883> Gibby_2, looks like the NFS mount needs to have the group as mythtv
[02:33] <Gibby_2> yep fixed it, thanks tgm4883
[04:35] <Gibby_2> tgm4883: You there?
[04:35] <tgm4883> Gibby_2, yep
[04:37] <Gibby_2> n/m, I am following your Hulu Desktop guide and I don't have the /etc/lirc directory... well i don't have any remotes yet so that explains it I think
[17:09] <Gibby_2> ne1 got Hulu desktop working
[17:10] <Gibby_2> I did step 1 and 4 for http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/howto-huludesktop and still nothing
[17:15] <Gibby_2> Does Hulu Desktop have to be installed on the Frontend?
[18:11] <Gibby_2> ComradeHaz`: Insstall this http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb
[18:12] <ComradeHaz`> How does one install with ubuntu?
[18:12] <ComradeHaz`> I usually do things the Debian Way (tm)
[18:12] <Gibby_2> open a terminal and type wget http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/mythbuntu-repos.deb
[18:12] <Gibby_2> Almost the same in Ubuntu
[18:12] <ComradeHaz`> A'ight.
[18:12] <Gibby_2> Ubuntu is based of of Debian
[18:12] <ComradeHaz`> I know.
[18:12] <Gibby_2> once download do a dpkg -i mythbuntu-repos.deb
[18:13] <Gibby_2> Then do: dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[18:13] <Gibby_2> Select 0.23.1, Select PPA and yes for fixes
[18:14] <Gibby_2> Actually it is yes for testing PPA
[18:15] <ComradeHaz`> Oh, awesome, thanks.
[18:15] <Gibby_2> then apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, then lets see ifyou still have same issue with
[18:15] <Gibby_2> mythfronend was crashing right?
[18:16] <ComradeHaz`> Yup
[18:17] <ComradeHaz`> Seems to be replacing just about everything myth related.
[18:17] <Gibby_2> yep it will
[18:17] <ComradeHaz`> 120 odd megs of packages downloading.
[18:18] <ComradeHaz`> Hadn't really considered using further upsteam packages...
[18:18] <Gibby_2> anytime you have an issue, you will want to do a apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then see if the issues exists, you will not have 0.23.1 daily builds from the mythbuntu team
[18:18] <ComradeHaz`> It should have, I've ended up on debian unstable as I kept moving up to get fixes for things and ended up here :D
[18:19] <Gibby_2> o, you were on 0.24?
[18:19] <ComradeHaz`> No, no.
[18:19] <Gibby_2> OK
[18:19] <ComradeHaz`> Talking about my other machines.
[18:19] <Gibby_2> ahh ok, did you get the diskless going yet?
[18:19] <ComradeHaz`> Not yet.
[18:20] <ComradeHaz`> Gonna get this machine in and have a play with a test rig
[18:20] <ComradeHaz`> Did you write out the guide you were gonna put together?
[18:20] <Gibby_2> I have added some updates to that wiki, I used Oracle Virtual Box for testing the diskless
[18:20] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm? INteresting.
[18:20] <Gibby_2> http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/network-boot-mythbuntu-diskless
[18:21] <ComradeHaz`> I've no experience with diskless machines in any wayunder any os
[18:21] <Gibby_2> hopefully I didn't miss anything on it, should be painless
[18:22] <ComradeHaz`> Ehh...
[18:22] <ComradeHaz`> 'Mythbuntu diskless server'.....?
[18:22] <ComradeHaz`> Runs on what machine?
[18:23] <Gibby_2> i run it on my backend but it actually can be ran on any machine
[18:23]  * ComradeHaz` points out he doesn't run ubuntu machines other than this mythbuntu box
[18:23] <Gibby_2> the trickiest part is editing your dhcp server
[18:23] <Gibby_2> what is your backend?
[18:23] <ComradeHaz`> One box for front and back
[18:24] <ComradeHaz`> want that to network boot off a Debian box.
[18:24] <Gibby_2> ok, do that procedure on the backend
[18:24] <ComradeHaz`> o.O
[18:24] <ComradeHaz`> ie front and back are both running on the same machine.
[18:25] <Gibby_2> is that debian box your dhcp server also?
[18:25] <ComradeHaz`> Yes.
[18:26] <Gibby_2> hmmmm
[18:26] <ComradeHaz`> :)
[18:26] <ComradeHaz`> Quite.
[18:26] <Gibby_2> why not run it on the backend box?
[18:27] <ComradeHaz`> :D You're not reading!
[18:27] <Gibby_2> I know :0
[18:28] <Gibby_2> I should still work, what version of debian are you using i will test it
[18:28] <Gibby_2> or we can use teamviewer
[18:29] <ComradeHaz`> let's simplify this down. 2 machines in question: 1) My Debian server. (Contains my entire life on 6 1.5TB drives.) 2) Mythbuntu box that I want to network boot off 1).
[18:29] <ComradeHaz`> 'Unstable'. Bar about 2 weeks.
[18:29] <ComradeHaz`> but go with testing
[18:29] <ComradeHaz`> package issues on unstable atm.
[18:29] <Gibby_2> you can not network your backend
[18:30] <Gibby_2> only frontends
[18:30] <ComradeHaz`> What do you mean?
[18:30] <ComradeHaz`> Why?
[18:30] <Gibby_2> well that is wrong too actually, you could network boot your backend but I don't know why you would want to, since the backend is up all the time
[18:31] <ComradeHaz`> Well, yes, that's kind of the whole point
[18:31] <ComradeHaz`> I don;t want an HDD wherring away in my living room.
[18:31] <Gibby_2> Yep and when you backup the server that is your network boot server, it also backups all your frontends
[18:31] <ComradeHaz`> and the backend has to be in there for various reasons.
[18:32] <Gibby_2> the backend is in the living room also?
[18:32] <ComradeHaz`> :D
[18:32] <ComradeHaz`> Backend == frontend.
[18:32] <Gibby_2> ok, we can get this working :)
[18:33] <ComradeHaz`> The thing I couldn't see was how to make it so changes are written backl rather than it booting like a live cd.
[18:33] <Gibby_2> I think I understand your config now, you backend is also your frontend and it is in the living room and you don't want any hard drives in it right?
[18:33] <Gibby_2> The changes being saved are quite easy :)
[18:33] <ComradeHaz`> Correct.
[18:34] <Gibby_2> however, you current myth backend/frontend config will be whiped
[18:34] <Gibby_2> wiped i mean
[18:34] <ComradeHaz`> That's slightly saddening though not desperately so.
[18:35] <Gibby_2> hope you haven't gotten to far in the setup
[18:35] <ComradeHaz`> OK
[18:35] <ComradeHaz`> Looking good.
[18:35] <ComradeHaz`> (DVD playback)
[18:35] <Gibby_2> Your debian server, it runs DHCP right?
[18:35] <Gibby_2> A DHCP I mean
[18:36] <ComradeHaz`> dhcp3 running isc
[18:37] <Gibby_2> ok
[18:37] <ComradeHaz`> It seems my dinner is ready, which is kind of good and kind of irritating! :D
[18:37] <Gibby_2> i am going to stand up a debian test server and check the diskless setup on it
[18:37] <ComradeHaz`> Awesome.
[18:38] <ComradeHaz`> I will be back as fast as I can politely be! :D
[18:38] <Gibby_2> np
[18:42] <ComradeHaz`> OK. Meat not quite cooked :D
[18:42] <ComradeHaz`> Anything I can do?
[18:43] <ComradeHaz`> for example any of my configs you want to see?
[18:43] <Gibby_2> don't tink so
[18:45] <ComradeHaz`> Will any of this process modify (to the point of 'breaking') the current install on teh disk of my myth box or is it simply a case of copying files from it?
[18:46] <ComradeHaz`> Also, when I installed I noticed there was an option to install a vnc server. I think I did. What vnc server is it? I was expecting X11vnc...
[18:48] <Gibby_2> Ubuntu has a built in VNC, basically you just enabled it
[18:48] <Gibby_2> no it will not break the current install of myth but when you do the network boot, you will have to setup the backend/frontend again
[18:49] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm. I see.
[18:49]  * ComradeHaz` grabs a random box and installs Mythbuntu
[18:50] <ComradeHaz`> hmm, pointing a vnc viewer at my mythbox draws a blank....
[18:50] <ComradeHaz`> OK, food done. biab
[19:01] <Gibby_2> hmm the debian install is not going so well, the kernel part of the install is failing of Vbox
[19:26] <ComradeHaz`> hmm
[19:26] <ComradeHaz`> Well, what're you thinking?
[19:26] <ComradeHaz`> hmm
[19:26] <ComradeHaz`> wonder if I can rig up a box you can drop onto
[19:26] <ComradeHaz`> Shall I try?
[19:29] <ComradeHaz`> Really only got one spare box though
[19:29] <Gibby_2> nah that is ok for now, it is installing now i think
[19:29] <ComradeHaz`> Cool
[19:32] <Gibby_2> it is a net install so going to take awhile
[19:34] <ComradeHaz`> A'ight, no worries
[19:35] <ComradeHaz`> Just doing an install of Mythbuntu on an old box as I guess we'll be able to use that as our start point?
[19:35] <ComradeHaz`> Or at least as a test
[19:36] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm
[19:36] <ComradeHaz`> How do I use the vnc service?!
[19:36]  * ComradeHaz` begins to wonder if he did install one
[19:37] <Gibby_2> open the myth control center
[19:37] <ComradeHaz`> Oh gash :D
[19:37]  * ComradeHaz` plugs the monitor back in
[19:38] <Gibby_2> o
[19:40] <ComradeHaz`> Uh.... then what
[19:40]  * ComradeHaz` has just failed to figure it out on hs own!
[19:41] <ComradeHaz`> Got it.
[19:43] <ComradeHaz`> Oh, btw, Debian box is x64
[19:43] <ComradeHaz`> Not sure if it makes any odds.
[19:44] <ComradeHaz`> Heh
[19:44] <ComradeHaz`> !curse
[19:44] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about curse
[19:44] <ComradeHaz`> :D
[19:53] <Gibby_2> lol, so you got the VNC part?
[19:53] <ComradeHaz`> Aye, working now
[19:57] <Gibby_2> wish my internet was faster, going to be awhile on this debian install
[19:57] <ComradeHaz`> :S
[19:57] <ComradeHaz`> What speed is it?
[19:58] <Gibby_2> 5/1 but barely get 1 down
[19:58] <ComradeHaz`> 5/1?
[19:58] <Gibby_2> 5down 1 up
[19:58] <ComradeHaz`> Oh.
[19:58] <ComradeHaz`> 1 up is a lot :D
[19:58] <ComradeHaz`> 5 down isn't :D
[19:59] <Gibby_2> 1 up is not alot, i had 10 down 10 up
[19:59] <ComradeHaz`> Well, yeah, we all went to uni once :D
[19:59] <Gibby_2> but my ISP is having a bandwidth issue
[19:59] <ComradeHaz`> 10 u/d at home?!!
[19:59] <Gibby_2> so they made everyone go back to 5 down and 1 up, i get about 1down and .5 up
[19:59] <ComradeHaz`> Awesome :D
[20:00] <Gibby_2> Yep, I have fiber to my house
[20:00] <ComradeHaz`> :S
[20:00] <ComradeHaz`> Less awesome.
[20:01] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm, SC?
[20:02] <Gibby_2> Yep
[20:02] <Gibby_2> Fiber1SC is the company, they SUCK
[20:02] <ComradeHaz`> Well, rather better than what I can get :d
[20:02] <ComradeHaz`> stick NR28 9LX into google earth :D
[20:04] <Gibby_2> don't have google earth :)
[20:05] <ComradeHaz`> well
[20:05] <ComradeHaz`> google maps
[20:05] <ComradeHaz`> sorry.
[20:05] <Gibby_2> ahh, my dad is over there now working
[20:05] <Gibby_2> well cambridge
[20:06] <ComradeHaz`> Ahh, just down the road, really :D
[20:07] <Gibby_2> what do you have?
[20:07] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm?
[20:07] <ComradeHaz`> broadband?
[20:07] <Gibby_2> speed?
[20:09] <ComradeHaz`> Slightly worse than usual today as raining
[20:09] <ComradeHaz`> http://www.speedtest.net/result/932676517.png
[20:09] <Zinn> [www.speedtest.net]
[20:11] <Gibby_2> b/c it is raining?
[20:11] <ComradeHaz`> Yep :D
[20:11] <ComradeHaz`> Don't laugh! It's not funny!
[20:12] <ComradeHaz`> OK
[20:12] <ComradeHaz`> Mythbuntu installed on a test-rig
[20:19] <ComradeHaz`> Right, Gibby old thing, what now?! :D
[20:27] <Gibby_2> what is the purpose of mythbuntu on the test-rig?
[20:28] <ComradeHaz`> Use as either the source of the network boot files or at least a 'practice run'
[20:28] <ComradeHaz`> Assuming you didn't missunderstand me earlier when I said "Will any of this process modify (to the point of 'breaking') the current install on teh disk of my myth box or is it simply a case of copying files from it?"
[20:32] <Gibby_2> well no we can not just copy files, there are database things that would need to be copied and I am not a DB person. However try following that procedure for the diskless install
[20:33] <ComradeHaz`> which procedure?
[20:34] <ComradeHaz`> at the moment I am trying to decide if I want to risk resizing my LVM's on my server so I have a special place for the Mythbuntu system or if I want to just stick it on an existing file-system
[20:36] <Gibby_2> i would stick in on the existing file-system in its own directory but that would depend on how your LVM is setup
[20:37] <ComradeHaz`> On a RAID 5 :D
[20:37] <Gibby_2> You said you wanted to use it as a practice run for a network server
[20:37] <ComradeHaz`> Could end badly.
[20:37] <ComradeHaz`> I did?
[20:37] <ComradeHaz`> I think you missunderstoodified again!
[20:37] <Gibby_2> lol
[20:38] <Gibby_2> missunderstoodified? lol
[20:38] <ComradeHaz`> ;)
[20:38] <ComradeHaz`> Yeah, we still thake the piss out of Bush :D
[20:39] <ComradeHaz`> Anyway. Should I be trying to do something, or am I essentially awaiting your pearls of Wisdom.
[20:39] <ComradeHaz`> (?)
[20:40] <Gibby_2> well i am confused then what the new mythtbuntu install you did is for
[20:40] <ComradeHaz`> Me too.
[20:40] <ComradeHaz`> Forget it!
[20:41] <Gibby_2> lol ok, why not use it as the backend and then just have frontend in the living room
[20:41] <ComradeHaz`> not powerful enough
[20:41] <ComradeHaz`> barely enough power to turn on :d
[20:41] <Gibby_2> hmmmmmmmm ok
[20:41] <ComradeHaz`> (and I have nough machines running, any more and we won;t be able to pay our electric!)
[20:42] <Gibby_2> lol, that is 1 problem of having a lot of computers
[20:43] <ComradeHaz`> Yeah, further that witht eh fact I am cursed when it comes to HDD failurs and the less machines relying on individual drives I have the better.
[20:45] <Gibby_2> hmmm,
[20:46] <Gibby_2> as far as I can tell ifyou want to network boot your frontend/backend you will have to start all over on your backend configs
[20:46] <ComradeHaz`> to repeat and clarify. 2 boxes. My server (MUST NOT F*** UP) providing box in living room with a netwwork bootable Mythbuntu.
[20:47] <Gibby_2> and the living room will be both frontend/backend?
[20:47] <ComradeHaz`> Correct.
[20:47] <ComradeHaz`> Startig over is not a problem.
[20:47] <Gibby_2> ok, so yeah you will have to wait until i test making debian a network boot server with mythbuntu image or you can try
[20:48] <ComradeHaz`> Well, I am happy to try things (carefully)
[20:48] <ComradeHaz`> but I have no idea where to start!
[20:48] <Gibby_2> does debian recognize apt-get? or just dpkg?
[20:49] <ComradeHaz`> well, I use aptitude, but yeah, essentially most of that sort of thing seems to be same as Ubuntu.
[20:49] <ComradeHaz`> but you can of course just tell me to install X and allow me to interperate.
[20:49] <ComradeHaz`> I'm not a total noob
[20:49] <ComradeHaz`> just totally noob to this aspect of things!
[20:50] <Gibby_2> ok, well you need a tftpd server on your debian server and the mythbuntu-diskless package
[20:50] <ComradeHaz`> Right. The latter I will of course have to deal with manually/
[20:50] <Gibby_2> well getting the deb manually
[20:50] <ComradeHaz`> Aye.
[20:50] <ComradeHaz`> Will have to find that....
[20:54] <ComradeHaz`> Isn't mythbuntu-diskless just a frontend though?
[20:55] <Gibby_2> noep
[20:55] <Gibby_2> nope
[20:56] <Gibby_2> it is bascially a mythbuntu image, you can add any packages you want
[20:56] <Gibby_2> how much recording and commericial removing are you going to do?
[20:56] <ComradeHaz`> I see. And it's possible for changes to be written back so it doesn't just run like a live cd?
[20:56] <Gibby_2> yep
[20:56] <ComradeHaz`> Later potentially a fair bit of recording
[20:57] <ComradeHaz`> As for commercial removing, I've not played with things enough to even know what that entails)
[20:57] <Gibby_2> what kind of network do you have from your server to your livinig room? wireless/100mb/1000mb?
[20:57] <ComradeHaz`> gigabit.
[20:57] <ComradeHaz`> getting about 90MB/s read and write.
[20:57] <Gibby_2> ok good, 100bm or even wireless might cause a bottleneck for the backend
[20:58] <Gibby_2> nice, i have gigbit but don't get that have played with the settings enough yet
[20:58] <Gibby_2> haven't i meant
[20:58] <ComradeHaz`> Well, that's probably because the server is a raid5
[20:59] <ComradeHaz`> each HDD is probably doign about 30MB/s read/write
[20:59] <ComradeHaz`> but as it's essentially reading from 4 at once it ends up a bit faster
[20:59] <Gibby_2> true i am still in a raid 1 under LVM, going to raid1+0 when my other HD's show up
[21:00] <ComradeHaz`> Aye, I just ran ghost for a while
[21:00] <ComradeHaz`> but seemed to make sense to go this way when I wanted to up the storage.
[21:01] <ComradeHaz`> having twice the storage for redundancyfelt too expensive
[21:01] <ComradeHaz`> no 'spare drives' atm, but might change that soonish.
[21:02] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm,  mythbuntu-diskless-server is tiny
[21:02] <ComradeHaz`> was expecting a large package....
[21:03] <Gibby_2> nope not that large, at the point you biuld your image it downloads mythbuntu
[21:04] <ComradeHaz`> Ah, I see.
[21:04] <Gibby_2> do you have any other frontends you are going to network boot?
[21:05] <ComradeHaz`> Not at the moment
[21:05] <Gibby_2> ok, i have the deb's just got to figure out where to put them so you can grab them
[21:05] <ComradeHaz`> That, presumably, would require another image/
[21:05] <ComradeHaz`> debs for what?
[21:10] <ComradeHaz`> OK, Gibby_2, mythbuntu-diskless-server installed and hopefully all dependancies satisfied!
[21:10] <Gibby_2> Ahh ok, on your debian server?
[21:11] <ComradeHaz`> Yep.
[21:11] <Gibby_2> ok next install tftpd-hpa
[21:11] <ComradeHaz`> Done.
[21:14] <Gibby_2> Perfect, follow the howto from there
[21:14] <Gibby_2> Stop at Configure the DHCP server
[21:16] <ComradeHaz`> Could you link me again?
[21:16] <ComradeHaz`> Sorry!
[21:18] <Gibby_2> http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/network-boot-mythbuntu-diskless
[21:21] <ComradeHaz`> Thanks pal
[21:22] <ComradeHaz`> By the way, did you notice my server is 64 bit?
[21:22] <ComradeHaz`> Does that matter?
[21:23] <Gibby_2> it shouldn't
[21:24] <ComradeHaz`> Cool.
[21:24] <Gibby_2> what is your front/back end?
[21:24] <ComradeHaz`> TFTP_DIRECTORY="/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386" <--- will that not make it store the mythbuntu image in that location?
[21:24] <ComradeHaz`> As far as I know mythbuntu is only available as 32 bit.
[21:30]  * ComradeHaz` tentatively pokes Gibby_2
[21:33] <Gibby_2> zuj
[21:33] <ComradeHaz`> o.O
[21:33] <ComradeHaz`> wb :)
[21:33] <ComradeHaz`> Did you fall asleep!?
[21:33] <Gibby_2> was eating dinner
[21:33] <ComradeHaz`> Ah, furry :)
[21:34] <Gibby_2> that will be fine
[21:34] <ComradeHaz`> Where will it stick the bulk of the fiels/
[21:34] <ComradeHaz`> *files
[21:35] <Gibby_2> /opt/ltsp is where the orignal image will be, any changes will be saved in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless
[21:35] <ComradeHaz`> /opt?!
[21:35] <ComradeHaz`> I don't have a /opt partition....
[21:36] <ComradeHaz`> Oh
[21:36] <ComradeHaz`> bit I do have such a directory on root....
[21:36] <ComradeHaz`> Nothign in it.
[21:37] <ComradeHaz`> Can that be configured?
[21:37] <ComradeHaz`> My /root isn't huge.
[21:44] <ComradeHaz`> Gibby_2, not that comfortable with line: sudo ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-user-credentials="your-user-id-here:your-password-here"
[21:44] <ComradeHaz`> What password?
[21:45] <ComradeHaz`> or am I specifying the user and password the setup will create?
[21:46] <Gibby_2> yep you specify the userid and the password
[21:46] <Gibby_2> pick whatever you want just don't use mythtv
[21:46] <Gibby_2> Also you can make /opt its own FS if you want to
[21:47] <Gibby_2> What time is it there?
[21:47] <ComradeHaz`> 21:50
[21:47] <ComradeHaz`> *9:50
[21:47] <ComradeHaz`> ;)
[21:47] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm, I can't trivially do that without messing with my lvm's
[21:47] <Gibby_2> yes I know military time, very well... Trying to get ahold of my dad, we rent some servers and are changing
[21:48] <ComradeHaz`> how much space will this use in /opt?
[21:48] <Gibby_2> Sure you can
[21:48] <Gibby_2> give it 5Gigs
[21:48] <Gibby_2> do you have any free space on your LVM?
[21:48] <ComradeHaz`> Nope.
[21:49] <Gibby_2> you can make a symbolic link also
[21:49] <ComradeHaz`> $b$b /dev/mapper/vg00-root            5.0G  487M  4.2G  11% /
[21:49] <ComradeHaz`> Gonna have to.
[21:49] <Gibby_2> hold on
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> Daren't risk resizing now. I am notoriously bad at it!
[21:50] <ComradeHaz`> My friends teaze me for making catastophic cock-ups when configuring my machines!
[21:50] <Gibby_2> my /opt/ltsp direcotyr is only 2.1G so I would say make it 2.5G
[21:51] <Gibby_2> well all you would have to do is shrink a logical volume by 3 or 4 gis
[21:51] <Gibby_2> granted you will have to take it offline since you can only grow online
[21:54] <ComradeHaz`> Meh, I wanted to shrink home, but both my parents are working, so can't
[21:54] <ComradeHaz`> How would I go about making it a symbolic link?
[21:56] <ComradeHaz`> Bugger it. 2.1Gig you reckon? Let's try it.
[22:00] <Gibby_2> is it ext4?
[22:00] <ComradeHaz`> 3
[22:00] <ComradeHaz`> and I think there is an error at: sudo ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-user-credentials="your-user-id-here:your-password-here"
[22:00] <Gibby_2> let me get my procedure for it
[22:01] <ComradeHaz`> It seems one can specify the destination with --base
[22:02] <Gibby_2> so ltsp-build-client failed?
[22:02] <ComradeHaz`> I think that command is missing an option.
[22:03] <Gibby_2> use pastebin and put the error there
[22:04] <superm1> tgm4883, i knew about that.  it's supposed to be NA if the backend config file (/etc/default/mythtv-backend) isn't modified because it should be removed on upgrade
[22:04] <ComradeHaz`> unrecognized option mythbuntu and mythbuntu-user-cred.... etc
[22:04] <ComradeHaz`> they're not options, they're values of options.
[22:06] <ComradeHaz`> That said, I cannot see what options those values might apply to
[22:07] <ComradeHaz`> I am wondering if ltsp is 'customized' towards debian or ubuntu depending on who package it.
[22:07] <Gibby_2> what is the output of ltsp-build-client --extra-help
[22:07] <ComradeHaz`> A lot. One sec.
[22:07] <Gibby_2> use pastebin
[22:10] <Gibby_2> and the output of dpkg -l ltsp-server
[22:12] <ComradeHaz`> http://haz.red-army.org.uk/ltsp
[22:12] <Zinn> [haz.red-army.org.uk]
[22:13] <Gibby_2> you need ubuntu's version of ltsp-server
[22:14] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm, that could get messy, couldn't it?
[22:14] <Gibby_2> nope
[22:14] <ComradeHaz`> In terms of my package manager?
[22:14] <Gibby_2> you won't install from package manager, install from the deb
[22:15] <ComradeHaz`> A'ight. Let me try to find the ubuntu version
[22:17] <ComradeHaz`> Which version?
[22:18] <ComradeHaz`> Gah, there's no deb available.
[22:19] <Gibby_2> i will get you the deb hold on
[22:24] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm, I am being warned off installing the ubuntu version of ltsp by the debian guru's :S
[22:28] <Gibby_2> Why? you don't need it for anything else
[22:30] <ComradeHaz`> Well, I can't make an informed decision as I don't understand how it works....
[22:31] <Gibby_2> hmm well we are stuck then
[22:31] <ComradeHaz`> Can you shed light on how it works and what you might see as potential risks
[22:31] <ComradeHaz`> ?
[22:32] <ComradeHaz`> From what I have seen of that guys chatting before he seems knowledgable
[22:32] <ComradeHaz`> though he is refusing to assist on this as he claims it's not a debian issue even though the base system is debian.....
[22:33] <Gibby_2> how what works ltsp? No clue really, I know we need it to build the boot image
[22:34] <Gibby_2> should have been installed with the mythbuntu-diskless package
[22:34] <ComradeHaz`> Could we build the boot image elsewhere and import it?
[22:34] <Gibby_2> maybe ........ but I don't know enough about it
[22:35] <ComradeHaz`> Could I, for example, do it on the mythbuntu box.
[22:35] <Gibby_2> yes, but i wouldn't know how to port it to your debian box
[22:36] <ComradeHaz`> Well, what actually happens after it's been built. Presumably it just sits somehere until something calls on it?
[22:37] <ComradeHaz`> what is that something and where does it feature in your guide?
[22:37] <Gibby_2> mostly
[22:37] <Gibby_2> tftp calls it
[22:38] <ComradeHaz`> At what point?
[22:38] <ComradeHaz`> Does it call the program ltsp, or just the files created by it?
[22:38] <ComradeHaz`> I'm trying to make sense of the latter part of your guide but failing.
[22:39] <Gibby_2> not ltsp
[22:39] <Gibby_2> but you need ltsp to update/upgrade the image
[22:39] <Gibby_2> or to save any changes
[22:40] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm.
[22:40] <ComradeHaz`> Gash :/
[22:40] <ComradeHaz`> Virtual machine maybe?
[22:40] <Gibby_2> yes that would work
[22:41] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm, suggestions on best way to do that?
[22:41] <Gibby_2> xen probably
[22:42] <ComradeHaz`> OK, let's explore this avenue verbally.
[22:42] <ComradeHaz`> What are the downsides?
[22:42] <Gibby_2> ... none really
[22:43] <ComradeHaz`> 1) permanently running a copy of ubuntu on top of my usual server chores <---- no biggy, hardly stress the system.
[22:43] <Gibby_2> yep and xen is this best i hear
[22:43] <ComradeHaz`> 2) is the virtual layer 'visible enough' to the network to actually respond to the netboot request?
[22:43] <Gibby_2> yep
[22:44] <ComradeHaz`> 3) have I got enough tea left in my pot to make progress with this tonight?
[22:44] <Gibby_2> yes, but i can't help with the xen part
[22:45] <Gibby_2> shouldn't that be pot in the tea...... like grandma's boy
[22:45] <ComradeHaz`> hahaha.
[22:45] <ComradeHaz`> Nope, never touch it.
[22:45] <ComradeHaz`> My brain's too slow already!
[22:46] <ComradeHaz`> Hmm
[22:47] <ComradeHaz`> I am tempted to be lazy and use something like virtual-box
[22:47] <Gibby_2> oracle VB?
[22:48] <ComradeHaz`> yeah
[22:48] <ComradeHaz`> is that a bad idea?
[22:48] <Gibby_2> no, i use it, however it doesn't support auto boot
[22:49] <ComradeHaz`> as in boot the virtual box on system reboot?
[22:49] <ComradeHaz`> Surely a little script could see to that?
[22:52] <Gibby_2> correct
[23:28] <ComradeHaz`> I say Gibby_2 old bean! Are you still around?
[23:28] <ComradeHaz`> Do I need concern myself as what user I run the virtual machine?