[00:45] <carl_fr> does jamin work for anyone
[02:27] <cxmatias> hey i neet to install a lot of programs on ubuntu studio for multivedia, i am talkina about that program tha does not came in the reposittorio
[02:28] <cxmatias> i neet the name of tha programs
[09:34] <iatn> I am having noooo luck getting our firewire audio to work under lucid
[09:35] <iatn> I've just installed the abog. rt kernel (as the official lucid-rt kernel didn't work at all) under the impression this would be compiled with the old firewire stack but I guess not- how do I check?
[09:36] <iatn> Anyone else here have a focusrite pro 26?
[09:37] <iatn> I have had it working under DEbian squeeze but on a non-rt kernel and only at 44.1 but I want to use either 48 or 96Khz
[09:38] <iatn> bstard thing works straight away under osx :(
[09:44] <iatn> OK, its in /boot/config-kernel version and it looks like the bogani rt kernel has both old and new firewire compiled as modules
[10:40] <iatn> anyone here relieve me of my firewire misery?
[10:41] <iatn> like, should be I be using the old or new fw stack under lucid and how do I properly blacklist the old firewire modules?
[10:41] <iatn> (if I should be using the new)
[10:55] <Blank__> hmm
[10:55] <Blank__> i've managed to get firewire working with only a little fuss
[13:56] <markie-> I'm trying to install ubuntustudio in vmplayer and after it seems to have installed and configured everything, i just find myself at a commandline prompt, with things like x not even installed. what's going on with that?
[15:13] <garym> is there a successor app to replace Audacity?
[15:14] <persia> Audacity is still fairly active.  What's missing for you?
[15:14] <garym> it crashes, it locks solid, it saves a file as a string of zeros, I love it, I forgive it, but I get annoyed
[15:14] <persia> Did you file a bundle of bugs?
[15:15] <garym> so I wondered why these things didn't get fixed and sometimes that means everyone has jumped ship to some other app
[15:15] <garym> eons ago, yes
[15:15] <garym> hard to replicate these issues, they are not rare, but sporadic.  I just learn to workflow around them, always verify an export wav etc
[15:15] <garym> occasionally I forget :(
[15:16] <persia> Annoying.  The only bugfix that I see that isn't already in lucid is one dealing with multiple ALSA devices.
[15:16] <persia> Debian bug #584605
[15:17] <persia> Dunno if there are more pending somewhere, but at least I don't see the patches sitting around somewhere obvious :(
[15:17] <garym> I'd reported mine to the developers; it was previous to my adopting ubuntu at ver 7
[15:18] <persia> It's still open on the audacity bug tracker?
[15:18] <garym> don't know. so long ago, I gave up following it.
[15:18] <garym> and just treat it's reliability like it was a Windows program ;)
[15:19] <persia> Well, it's *also* a windows program.
[15:19] <persia> But maybe worth checking.
[15:19] <garym> haven't found anything better, that supports all the 3rd party effects and as nicely designed, so I just learned to tolerate it.
[15:20] <Wiesshund> Is there a channel to ask a general video editing question
[15:20] <garym> been editing a field recording today and it has locked up three times in a row, I recover, re-edit, it locks again, so I just thought I'd ask, just in case there was something else people were using instead.
[15:20] <persia> Wiesshund, You can ask here, and if someone knows the answer, they will share.  I don't know of any general linux-video channels.
[15:21] <persia> garym, Some folks use muse, and the "professional" grade app is ardour.  Depends on what you need, and what level of complexity you're willing to accept to get it.
[15:21] <garym> haven't tried muse.  ardour is nice for multitrack, but I don't like it for large wav file massaging.
[15:22] <garym> snd is nice too, although the interface is crude
[15:22] <persia> snd lets you do everything, as long as you know precisely how :)
[15:22] <garym> yes
[15:22] <garym> I wish it was command line, although I believe it does support a lot of command line actions making it like the netpbm for sound
[15:22] <Wiesshund> When capturing VHS source, to be converted to DVD for television use, during the processing you should leave interleaving correct?
[15:22] <garym> never got off my butt to learn how to do that tho.
[15:23] <garym> for television use, yes
[15:23] <garym> otherwise you lose information
[15:25] <Wiesshund> garym ok thanks that is what i was thinking. Would you also reccomend not resizing as well? vhs is being hardware captured @ 704X480 motion jpeg
[15:26] <garym> yes, resizing can distort the image with line averaging, although from 704 to 720 isn't a big jump, but I like to keep videos at the original resolution and let the display device sort it out.
[15:28] <Wiesshund> thanks, i kept reading stuff saying to shrink vhs captures to 512X384 and 512X480 352X480 etc and it got confusing and made less and less sense
[15:28] <garym> 704 is also way more than the resolution of the VHS in the first place
[15:28] <garym> vhs is iirc about 470something
[15:29] <Blank__> i thought vhs was around 400 lines at best
[15:29] <garym> so you've got oversampling going on, that should capture the original experience no matter what you do with scaling
[15:29] <garym> it also depends on your display gear, you may want to do some short tests and view them
[15:29] <Blank__> Wiesshund, unless you've got an excellent software de-interlacer, best leave that job for the receiving end
[15:30] <garym> Blank__, I'm not totally sure, maybe I'm thinking of Beta?  I know vhs is better than broadcast but not by much
[15:30] <garym> wikipedia will know :)
[15:30] <Wiesshund> 704 is the hardware device's native resolution i guess youd say
[15:30] <garym> yes
[15:30] <Blank__> Wiesshund,  i'd recommend cropping, if there are any parts of the screen that are garbled, such is life with vhs
[15:31] <Blank__> they will only waste data
[15:31] <garym> maybe I was thinking of superVCD?  video formats drive me nuts
[15:31] <Wiesshund> BLank so far aside from the small line at the bottom otherwise known as macrovision, no garbling yet on the raw captures
[15:31]  * garym has to go back to editing his recording and thanks everyone for their advice
[15:32] <Blank__> the line at the bottom isn't macrovision, is it? i thought it was merely due to calibration
[15:32] <Blank__> or miscalibration
[15:32] <Wiesshund> Im trying to save the kids old vhs movies for thier kids, mostly disney movies.
[15:33] <Blank__> but yeah, i tend to replace that with black, because that means the mpeg encoder will put more data into the actual frame, where it counts
[15:34] <Blank__> hmm... now i think about it, vhs is actually something closer to 320 lines
[15:34] <Blank__> 340?
[15:34] <Wiesshund> Blank__ no the line is not present on vhs playback, only seen after capture, its the noise injection macrovision does. I had a hell of a time coming up with a capture machine that didnt shut off when it saw macrovision
[15:34] <Blank__> ah, so it's not what i think it is... i've read up on how macrovision works
[15:35] <Blank__> something like lines just outside the frame that are unusually intense, and cause most screens to lose sync
[15:35] <Blank__> or more accurately, if run through anything but a tv, cause sync problems
[15:36] <Blank__> you can buy processors that remove it
[15:36] <Wiesshund> think its 352X480 vhs up to 400 for svhs but its interleaved and pc resolutions are not
[15:36] <Wiesshund> Well the game plan is simply to get the aging vhs tapes, to dvd, for tv viewing
[15:37] <Wiesshund> and not make them look any worse in the process
[15:37] <Blank__> oh... vhs are actually closer to 250 lines
[15:37] <Blank__> which is pretty dismal
[15:37] <Blank__> but it's interleaved, true
[15:38] <Wiesshund> its kind of confusing though, cause if you take something at say 384X240 on a pc and blow it up to full screen, it looks like ass
[15:38] <prep> breaker breaker 7-1-9 anybody got their ears on?
[15:39] <Blank__> In modern-day digital terminology, VHS is roughly equivalent to 333x480 pixels luma and 40x480 chroma resolutions.
[15:40] <Wiesshund> odd isnt it? you can display 333X480 at full screen on a 27" tv and it looks great, then try it ful screen on a 24" pc monitor and it looks like pixelated ass
[15:41] <Blank__> probably poor upsampling on pc
[15:41] <Blank__> i'd go as far to say that analog upsampling looks a lot better than digital
[15:42] <Wiesshund> yea, guess the pc wasnt exactly meant to try displaying vhs data
[15:44] <Blank__> :p
[15:44] <Blank__> well i'm off to bed
[15:44] <Blank__> good luck with the vhs capturing, i've been trying to do the same for our family videos
[15:44] <Blank__> unfortunately i've stuck with using windows and virtualdub because i could never find what i needed in linux
[15:47] <Wiesshund> im kin of in the same boat
[15:47] <Blank__> there's nothing really available for analog capture
[15:48] <Blank__> at least, nothing that i can use as simply as virtualdub in capture mode :(
[15:48] <Wiesshund> For the capture box, i had to find something that was macrovision unaware. which wound up being an old matrox rainbow runner studio mjpeg hardware capture board
[15:48] <Blank__> for dv cameras there certainly did
[15:48] <Blank__> certainly are*
[15:48] <Blank__> i've been using a tv tuner for my captures
[15:49] <Wiesshund> you doing mostly home video?
[15:49] <Blank__> ideally i'd be running s-video from the video camera to the card but we didn't end up getting one with s-video, only composite
[15:49] <Blank__> yeah, all home videos
[15:49] <Blank__> from video8
[15:49] <Wiesshund> lucky you, no macrovision to hassel with
[15:49] <Blank__> true
[15:49] <Blank__> even if there were i'd look at getting a video stabiliser
[15:50] <Wiesshund> i understand why they used it, but in retrospect making a degradable media non backupable is dumb
[15:52] <prep> Need assistance with ppa
[15:52] <Wiesshund> yea i lucked out still having the old rainbow runner, it does true hardware mjpeg and has some onboard video stabilization. down side is to use it i an forced to run win98 on the capture box, as that was the last OS that card ran in
[15:53] <Wiesshund> So im processing the raw captures on my normal pc where i dont have to wait 5 years hehe
[15:54] <Blank__> yeah
[15:54] <Blank__> well i'm off
[15:54] <Blank__> probably catch you later :p
[15:54] <Wiesshund> ok cya later
[19:02] <ManDay> Does anyone know an LADSPA plugin which can do multiband fitlering like an equalizer just with less load on the CPU?
[19:03] <holstein> ManDay: you could route the audio through the plugin
[19:03] <holstein> and record a new track
[19:04] <holstein> then it wouldnt be using any processing power at mixdown
[19:04] <holstein> you would just need to re-record that track each time you need to tweak th EQ
[19:04] <holstein> but usually that is something you set and forget
[19:07] <holstein> is this something your doing in realtime?
[19:08]  * holstein uses rakarrack for whatever realtime processing i can get away with
[19:08] <holstein> it seems to run rather light weight
[19:23] <ManDay> erm
[19:23] <ManDay> thanks but this is for live playback
[19:28] <holstein> ManDay: try rakarrack then
[19:28] <ManDay> is that ladspa?
[19:28] <holstein> nah
[19:28] <holstein> its standalone
[19:28] <ManDay> i try to do that with pulse
[19:29] <holstein> pulse?
[19:29] <holstein> JACK is the way to go
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[19:29] <holstein> hmmm
[19:29] <ManDay_> jack is a little overhead in my case
[19:29] <ManDay_> im just a simple minded user
[19:29] <ManDay_> no need for fancy plugging
[19:29] <holstein> well, it does more than that
[19:29] <ManDay_> lol
[19:29] <holstein> its the sound server for your needs
[19:30] <ManDay_> that doesnt give me any more reason
[19:30] <holstein> doing realtime effects processing in pulse wont work
[19:30] <ManDay_> im fine with pulse, i just want to equalize my stuff without the CPU load
[19:30] <ManDay_> a high pass would already do
[19:30] <holstein> your 'stuff' ?
[19:30] <holstein> like guitar in?
[19:30] <ManDay_> music
[19:30] <holstein> OH
[19:30] <ManDay_> no, im a simple end produc user
[19:30] <holstein> yeah, just use one of the EQ's in VLC or something
[19:30] <holstein> something in a player
[19:31] <ManDay_> nah thats so cumbersome
[19:31] <ManDay_> there are so many ladspa plugins, one must offer that
[19:31] <holstein> sure
[19:31] <holstein> but then your adding things
[19:31] <holstein> if you use VLC
[19:31] <holstein> its already lightweight
[19:31] <ManDay_> I think if I ran my output through VLC id get more overhead than with a Multiband eq
[19:31] <holstein> and its got that capacity right there
[19:32] <ManDay_> holstein: you mean using VLC on its own?
[19:32] <ManDay_> i wont leave mpd, i love it
[19:32] <holstein> ManDay: why not just edit the audio in audacity or something?
[19:32] <ManDay_> it needs to be system wide
[19:32] <ManDay_> filtering
[19:32] <holstein> yeah, just edit the track
[19:32] <ManDay_> besides, i dont want it to be persistant
[19:32] <holstein> hmmm
[19:32] <ManDay_> that could do irreversible damage
[19:33] <holstein> well, there not really a lighter-weight way to do it
[19:33] <holstein> maybe an MPD plugin?
[19:33] <ManDay_> im pretty sure that there are no plugins (like that)
[19:33] <ManDay_> actualyl ive never heard of an MPD plugin
[19:33] <ManDay_> but there is most likely no equalizer one
[19:34] <ManDay_> thats why on their website they suggest jack
[19:34] <ManDay_> if one needs an eq. but pulse is a little more suitable in my case, if just that ladspa plugin...
[19:34] <ManDay_> ok thanks tho
[19:34] <holstein> ManDay_: is this the one your using?
[19:34] <holstein> http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html
[19:39] <ManDay_> im not using anything right now
[19:39] <ManDay_> i vent seen that eq tho
[19:39] <ManDay_> thanks!
[19:41] <holstein> :)
[19:42] <ManDay_> hm
[19:43] <ManDay_> so that uses ladspa too
[19:43] <ManDay_> haha, how funny
[19:43] <ManDay_> pulse can use the same plugin, with the only difference that it cannot do runtime adjustments to the plugins inputs
[19:48] <holstein> ManDay_: have you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578
[19:51] <holstein> i would think the karmic info would be mostly relevant to lucid
[20:18] <ManDay> im doing this for a non ubuntu pc, i just came here because i remembered that you guy are expert on the field :)
[20:18] <ManDay> hope you dont mind
[20:19] <holstein> ManDay: fine with me :)
[20:19] <holstein> there is also #opensourcemusicians
[20:20] <ManDay> i took the alsa mixer now, i have yet to plug it in but it looks good
[20:20] <ManDay> thanks a lot holstein you helped me a lot
[20:20] <ManDay> :)
[20:24] <Davidmp> Holstein i need some advice
[20:24] <Davidmp> i need a new stopmotion program because stopmotion doesn't work for me do you know of any good programs that could replace that?
[20:41]  * holstein not sure Davidmp 
[20:42] <Davidmp> hm
[20:42]  * holstein running out for some food
[20:42] <Davidmp> mkay
[20:42] <holstein> i'll poke around a bit when i get back though :)