[00:45] does jamin work for anyone [02:27] hey i neet to install a lot of programs on ubuntu studio for multivedia, i am talkina about that program tha does not came in the reposittorio [02:28] i neet the name of tha programs [09:34] I am having noooo luck getting our firewire audio to work under lucid [09:35] I've just installed the abog. rt kernel (as the official lucid-rt kernel didn't work at all) under the impression this would be compiled with the old firewire stack but I guess not- how do I check? [09:36] Anyone else here have a focusrite pro 26? [09:37] I have had it working under DEbian squeeze but on a non-rt kernel and only at 44.1 but I want to use either 48 or 96Khz [09:38] bstard thing works straight away under osx :( [09:44] OK, its in /boot/config-kernel version and it looks like the bogani rt kernel has both old and new firewire compiled as modules [10:40] anyone here relieve me of my firewire misery? [10:41] like, should be I be using the old or new fw stack under lucid and how do I properly blacklist the old firewire modules? [10:41] (if I should be using the new) [10:55] hmm [10:55] i've managed to get firewire working with only a little fuss [13:56] I'm trying to install ubuntustudio in vmplayer and after it seems to have installed and configured everything, i just find myself at a commandline prompt, with things like x not even installed. what's going on with that? [15:13] is there a successor app to replace Audacity? [15:14] Audacity is still fairly active. What's missing for you? [15:14] it crashes, it locks solid, it saves a file as a string of zeros, I love it, I forgive it, but I get annoyed [15:14] Did you file a bundle of bugs? [15:15] so I wondered why these things didn't get fixed and sometimes that means everyone has jumped ship to some other app [15:15] eons ago, yes [15:15] hard to replicate these issues, they are not rare, but sporadic. I just learn to workflow around them, always verify an export wav etc [15:15] occasionally I forget :( [15:16] Annoying. The only bugfix that I see that isn't already in lucid is one dealing with multiple ALSA devices. [15:16] Debian bug #584605 [15:16] Debian bug 584605 in audacity "audacity: segfault with multiple ALSA devices" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/584605 [15:17] Dunno if there are more pending somewhere, but at least I don't see the patches sitting around somewhere obvious :( [15:17] I'd reported mine to the developers; it was previous to my adopting ubuntu at ver 7 [15:18] It's still open on the audacity bug tracker? [15:18] don't know. so long ago, I gave up following it. [15:18] and just treat it's reliability like it was a Windows program ;) [15:19] Well, it's *also* a windows program. [15:19] But maybe worth checking. [15:19] haven't found anything better, that supports all the 3rd party effects and as nicely designed, so I just learned to tolerate it. [15:20] Is there a channel to ask a general video editing question [15:20] been editing a field recording today and it has locked up three times in a row, I recover, re-edit, it locks again, so I just thought I'd ask, just in case there was something else people were using instead. [15:20] Wiesshund, You can ask here, and if someone knows the answer, they will share. I don't know of any general linux-video channels. [15:21] garym, Some folks use muse, and the "professional" grade app is ardour. Depends on what you need, and what level of complexity you're willing to accept to get it. [15:21] haven't tried muse. ardour is nice for multitrack, but I don't like it for large wav file massaging. [15:22] snd is nice too, although the interface is crude [15:22] snd lets you do everything, as long as you know precisely how :) [15:22] yes [15:22] I wish it was command line, although I believe it does support a lot of command line actions making it like the netpbm for sound [15:22] When capturing VHS source, to be converted to DVD for television use, during the processing you should leave interleaving correct? [15:22] never got off my butt to learn how to do that tho. [15:23] for television use, yes [15:23] otherwise you lose information [15:25] garym ok thanks that is what i was thinking. Would you also reccomend not resizing as well? vhs is being hardware captured @ 704X480 motion jpeg [15:26] yes, resizing can distort the image with line averaging, although from 704 to 720 isn't a big jump, but I like to keep videos at the original resolution and let the display device sort it out. [15:28] thanks, i kept reading stuff saying to shrink vhs captures to 512X384 and 512X480 352X480 etc and it got confusing and made less and less sense [15:28] 704 is also way more than the resolution of the VHS in the first place [15:28] vhs is iirc about 470something [15:29] i thought vhs was around 400 lines at best [15:29] so you've got oversampling going on, that should capture the original experience no matter what you do with scaling [15:29] it also depends on your display gear, you may want to do some short tests and view them [15:29] Wiesshund, unless you've got an excellent software de-interlacer, best leave that job for the receiving end [15:30] Blank__, I'm not totally sure, maybe I'm thinking of Beta? I know vhs is better than broadcast but not by much [15:30] wikipedia will know :) [15:30] 704 is the hardware device's native resolution i guess youd say [15:30] yes [15:30] Wiesshund, i'd recommend cropping, if there are any parts of the screen that are garbled, such is life with vhs [15:31] they will only waste data [15:31] maybe I was thinking of superVCD? video formats drive me nuts [15:31] BLank so far aside from the small line at the bottom otherwise known as macrovision, no garbling yet on the raw captures [15:31] * garym has to go back to editing his recording and thanks everyone for their advice [15:32] the line at the bottom isn't macrovision, is it? i thought it was merely due to calibration [15:32] or miscalibration [15:32] Im trying to save the kids old vhs movies for thier kids, mostly disney movies. [15:33] but yeah, i tend to replace that with black, because that means the mpeg encoder will put more data into the actual frame, where it counts [15:34] hmm... now i think about it, vhs is actually something closer to 320 lines [15:34] 340? [15:34] Blank__ no the line is not present on vhs playback, only seen after capture, its the noise injection macrovision does. I had a hell of a time coming up with a capture machine that didnt shut off when it saw macrovision [15:34] ah, so it's not what i think it is... i've read up on how macrovision works [15:35] something like lines just outside the frame that are unusually intense, and cause most screens to lose sync [15:35] or more accurately, if run through anything but a tv, cause sync problems [15:36] you can buy processors that remove it [15:36] think its 352X480 vhs up to 400 for svhs but its interleaved and pc resolutions are not [15:36] Well the game plan is simply to get the aging vhs tapes, to dvd, for tv viewing [15:37] and not make them look any worse in the process [15:37] oh... vhs are actually closer to 250 lines [15:37] which is pretty dismal [15:37] but it's interleaved, true [15:38] its kind of confusing though, cause if you take something at say 384X240 on a pc and blow it up to full screen, it looks like ass [15:38] breaker breaker 7-1-9 anybody got their ears on? [15:39] In modern-day digital terminology, VHS is roughly equivalent to 333x480 pixels luma and 40x480 chroma resolutions. [15:40] odd isnt it? you can display 333X480 at full screen on a 27" tv and it looks great, then try it ful screen on a 24" pc monitor and it looks like pixelated ass [15:41] probably poor upsampling on pc [15:41] i'd go as far to say that analog upsampling looks a lot better than digital [15:42] yea, guess the pc wasnt exactly meant to try displaying vhs data [15:44] :p [15:44] well i'm off to bed [15:44] good luck with the vhs capturing, i've been trying to do the same for our family videos [15:44] unfortunately i've stuck with using windows and virtualdub because i could never find what i needed in linux [15:47] im kin of in the same boat [15:47] there's nothing really available for analog capture [15:48] at least, nothing that i can use as simply as virtualdub in capture mode :( [15:48] For the capture box, i had to find something that was macrovision unaware. which wound up being an old matrox rainbow runner studio mjpeg hardware capture board [15:48] for dv cameras there certainly did [15:48] certainly are* [15:48] i've been using a tv tuner for my captures [15:49] you doing mostly home video? [15:49] ideally i'd be running s-video from the video camera to the card but we didn't end up getting one with s-video, only composite [15:49] yeah, all home videos [15:49] from video8 [15:49] lucky you, no macrovision to hassel with [15:49] true [15:49] even if there were i'd look at getting a video stabiliser [15:50] i understand why they used it, but in retrospect making a degradable media non backupable is dumb [15:52] Need assistance with ppa [15:52] yea i lucked out still having the old rainbow runner, it does true hardware mjpeg and has some onboard video stabilization. down side is to use it i an forced to run win98 on the capture box, as that was the last OS that card ran in [15:53] So im processing the raw captures on my normal pc where i dont have to wait 5 years hehe [15:54] yeah [15:54] well i'm off [15:54] probably catch you later :p [15:54] ok cya later [19:02] Does anyone know an LADSPA plugin which can do multiband fitlering like an equalizer just with less load on the CPU? [19:03] ManDay: you could route the audio through the plugin [19:03] and record a new track [19:04] then it wouldnt be using any processing power at mixdown [19:04] you would just need to re-record that track each time you need to tweak th EQ [19:04] but usually that is something you set and forget [19:07] is this something your doing in realtime? [19:08] * holstein uses rakarrack for whatever realtime processing i can get away with [19:08] it seems to run rather light weight [19:23] erm [19:23] thanks but this is for live playback [19:28] ManDay: try rakarrack then [19:28] is that ladspa? [19:28] nah [19:28] its standalone [19:28] i try to do that with pulse [19:29] pulse? [19:29] JACK is the way to go [19:29] | irc: disconnected from server [19:29] | irc: disconnected from server [19:29] hmmm [19:29] jack is a little overhead in my case [19:29] im just a simple minded user [19:29] no need for fancy plugging [19:29] well, it does more than that [19:29] lol [19:29] its the sound server for your needs [19:30] that doesnt give me any more reason [19:30] doing realtime effects processing in pulse wont work [19:30] im fine with pulse, i just want to equalize my stuff without the CPU load [19:30] a high pass would already do [19:30] your 'stuff' ? [19:30] like guitar in? [19:30] music [19:30] OH [19:30] no, im a simple end produc user [19:30] yeah, just use one of the EQ's in VLC or something [19:30] something in a player [19:31] nah thats so cumbersome [19:31] there are so many ladspa plugins, one must offer that [19:31] sure [19:31] but then your adding things [19:31] if you use VLC [19:31] its already lightweight [19:31] I think if I ran my output through VLC id get more overhead than with a Multiband eq [19:31] and its got that capacity right there [19:32] holstein: you mean using VLC on its own? [19:32] i wont leave mpd, i love it [19:32] ManDay: why not just edit the audio in audacity or something? [19:32] it needs to be system wide [19:32] filtering [19:32] yeah, just edit the track [19:32] besides, i dont want it to be persistant [19:32] hmmm [19:32] that could do irreversible damage [19:33] well, there not really a lighter-weight way to do it [19:33] maybe an MPD plugin? [19:33] im pretty sure that there are no plugins (like that) [19:33] actualyl ive never heard of an MPD plugin [19:33] but there is most likely no equalizer one [19:34] thats why on their website they suggest jack [19:34] if one needs an eq. but pulse is a little more suitable in my case, if just that ladspa plugin... [19:34] ok thanks tho [19:34] ManDay_: is this the one your using? [19:34] http://www.thedigitalmachine.net/alsaequal.html [19:39] im not using anything right now [19:39] i vent seen that eq tho [19:39] thanks! [19:41] :) [19:42] hm [19:43] so that uses ladspa too [19:43] haha, how funny [19:43] pulse can use the same plugin, with the only difference that it cannot do runtime adjustments to the plugins inputs [19:48] ManDay_: have you read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578 [19:51] i would think the karmic info would be mostly relevant to lucid === ManDay_ is now known as ManDay [20:18] im doing this for a non ubuntu pc, i just came here because i remembered that you guy are expert on the field :) [20:18] hope you dont mind [20:19] ManDay: fine with me :) [20:19] there is also #opensourcemusicians [20:20] i took the alsa mixer now, i have yet to plug it in but it looks good [20:20] thanks a lot holstein you helped me a lot [20:20] :) [20:24] Holstein i need some advice [20:24] i need a new stopmotion program because stopmotion doesn't work for me do you know of any good programs that could replace that? [20:41] * holstein not sure Davidmp [20:42] hm [20:42] * holstein running out for some food [20:42] mkay [20:42] i'll poke around a bit when i get back though :)