[01:13] Hey there everyone... my crazy life is slowly slowing [02:36] ScottK: Any news on kolabd? [02:41] ok, added more feedback on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MaverickMeerkat/Alpha3/Kubuntu/Feedback page [02:42] going offline to switch hard drives, and install Mav on the other one [03:26] ryanakca: Not yet. Need to work on it soon. [03:27] After Riddel is back and I don't have to play Kubuntu rm anymore [03:27] l/ll [03:29] ScottK: OK, thanks [03:43] damn it, that didn't work [03:43] HD has too many pins to fit into this lappy === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [05:50] any idea if/when will amd64 build be back? [05:51] Build of which? [05:51] the whole .iso [05:51] Oh. Probably in the next couple days. [05:52] In time for beta release I suppose? ;) [05:52] it's gone? [05:53] valorie: haven't seen it on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ for 3 days now [05:54] heh, probably moments after I downloaded [05:54] didn't work for me [05:56] it isn't available for ooo bun too either [05:56] so presumably the broken bits are in the common stack [05:59] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/maverick/ [05:59] netboot is available for ubuntu, however === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [07:57] apachelogger: who what? [08:37] well then [08:37] I fell asleep on my keyboard \o. [08:37] see, that is my left arm being broken [08:38] good morning Kubuntu :) [08:38] good morning apachelogger [08:41] I thought you were paying your bed a visit? [08:42] valorie: yeah, the night before ;) [08:42] sleep is good for your health [08:42] and your brain [08:42] not on a keyboad though :P [08:42] sleeping on keyboard, not so much [08:42] lol [08:42] * apachelogger feels very relaxed and full of energy for this new day ... ;) [08:43] jussi: so, the ninja cmd is missing quite some people, which made me think that maybe it would be a good idea to just have it draw names from launchpad [08:44] apachelogger: thats a lot of work. if you give me a list of names Ill update it now though. [08:44] apachelogger: however, patches will be taken ;) [08:45] dude, I had enough pyth0rn for the next decade or two [08:45] lol [08:45] apachelogger: thing is, Tsimpsons net is still down and while I can manipulate the bot well, writing new stuff is a little beyond me. [08:46] *nod* [08:46] well [08:46] I can craft an update manually [08:46] apachelogger: as I said, give me what you want there and Ill make it happen [08:46] which would of course be easier if someone had thought of maintaining the list in alphabetical order :P [08:46] lol [08:50] on that note, what happened to lex? [08:50] ...IIRC he did not say he would be away that long... [08:51] Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger [08:51] go package 4.5.1 :PPPPP [08:51] jussi: ^ [08:52] !-ninjas [08:52] ninjas-#kubuntu-devel has no aliases - added by stdin on 2009-01-10 18:22:18 - last edited by jussi01 on 2009-12-18 12:36:12 [08:52] !no, ninjas-#kubuntu-devel is Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger [08:52] I'll remember that jussi [08:52] thank you [09:08] apachelogger: if it ever gets out of date, just do exactly as I did there but with new names, and it will appear in -ops and someone can update it. [09:38] jussi: cool, thanks [09:38] now hopefully I remember that ^^ [09:38] :D [09:44] apachelogger, If not, there are logs. Just grep for jussi*ninjas* [09:44] !addfact | persia apachelogger [09:44] persia apachelogger: To add a factoid to the bot, use the following form (the factoid will then be forwarded to the ops to approve): !foo is bar [09:44] persia: just that my logs live in a postgres db on a server that is not mine ;) [09:46] * persia mumbles vaguely about the importance of control of one's personal data [09:56] Sput: you know, it would be cool to have an akonadi agent that interfaces with the quasselcore and holds a local cache of my logs so I have control over it in a way ;) [09:57] actually from an advertising POV it ought to be easily advertisable, even if it does not exactly have much use ^^ [09:59] 64 bit or 32 bit install for my new laptop? [10:00] * apachelogger never had a 64 install... [10:04] * persia always uses 64-bit [10:04] It only really matters if you have >2GB RAM. For that, you get better performance at 64-bit. [10:04] oh, that said [10:04] If you have less, it doesn't matter (although I run 64-bit on machines with less out of habit) [10:04] apachelogger: from an advertising POV, people seem to despise everything that mentions akonadi :P [10:04] I have 6 so I suppose 64 would make more sense ^^ [10:05] hm, I wonder why that it ... [10:05] might it be "FAIL!!? YOU STUPID USER MESSED MY SETUP UP!!!!!!!!!!!" [10:06] persia: are no amd64 dailies built? [10:06] Depends on the flavour. They are supposed to exist for kubuntu desktop/netbook [10:06] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ [10:06] nothing there [10:08] Probably because of http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54223991/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.qimageblitz_1:0.0.6-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz but I'd have to dig longer to be sure [10:09] Easy enough to make qimageblitz work on amd64/armel/powerpc and *not* i386, but I don't think that's really the right solution. [10:10] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/maverick/kubuntu/current/livecd-20100830-amd64.out says I'm wrong about that: the livefs got created. [10:11] persia: ubuntu does not have amd64 listed either http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [10:13] Odd. That's definitely a bug. [10:13] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/kubuntu/maverick/daily-20100830.log whines about "No alternate CD for amd64!" but I'm not quite sure why [10:17] Server is missing also, which makes me think there's some global messiness. [10:27] * apachelogger likes how k3b is not integrating properly into KDE [10:36] the manual partition thing is horrible to use [11:38] jtechidna: maybe knh should offer an option to turn off apport if crash reports are turned off, when I logged into gnome the other day the gtk ui of apport went crazy on me ^^ [11:39] also the toehr way around I do think that the application crashes item should not be shown unless apport is installed and enabled since it might be misleading otherwise [13:53] apachelogger: ok? [14:31] Hey [14:31] if i would make a mockup of kubuntu start screen would it be possible that someone will implement it? :D [14:35] sheytan: that would first require discussion at a meeting since we traditionally stick with KDE's artwork [14:36] apachelogger i would use KDE's artwork :) [14:36] then I am not sure what you mean [14:36] When i find sometime, i'll make one. Maybe for 11.04 :D [14:36] apachelogger when you put the cd, you get things like 'start kubuntu' 'check cd' and 'memory test' [14:36] this screen [14:36] it doesn't look nice right now :P [14:37] well [14:37] you dont have much options there [14:37] it is not like there i a larige color space available at that point [14:37] btw, someone could replace the bars that shows partitions usage with the oxygen one used in kde ( if possible) :D [14:37] maybe not, but we can make it look better :) [14:41] I am all in favor of making things look better ^^ [14:44] apachelogger who can i talk to about the partition usage bars? :D [14:44] sheytan: shtylman I suppose [14:45] apachelogger ok, thanks. I'll talk to him when he comes ;) [14:50] Btw, someone reeeeaaaaly should make a device action for system update. I mean, when you put the new release cd, it should be easy to run upgrade to the new release of Kubuntu === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: KDE 4.5.1 packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Maverick Beta Freeze is on - Universe still open for business | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Milestoned bugs tagged Kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 [14:51] apachelogger where can i request a feature? [14:51] Lanunchpad? [14:51] depends on the feature [14:51] apachelogger ^^^ [14:51] launchpad [14:51] will not be of much use though [14:52] I recommend proposing it on the mailing list and finding a developer who is going to implement that [14:52] apachelogger kubuntu-devel mailing list/ [14:52] ? [14:52] yus [14:53] i just unsubscribed couse i get to many messages from there :D [14:53] but i'll do it again [14:55] the installation take much more time with the new installer :( [15:20] bzr builddeb is the broken [15:20] oh noes [15:20] no I must manually merge [15:20] sheytan: really? it felt faster here [15:20] yofel yep [15:21] slow network connection maybe? as it seems to download more things now [15:21] launchpad sucks [15:21] 2mbps [15:21] launchpad is horrible hard. Find something there suuuucks :D [15:21] use google with 'site:launchpad.net' :P [15:22] I just don't want use lanuchpad :D [15:22] it's not *that* bad usually... [16:25] [kdeaccessibility] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100830152528-elsxvkk4bara28z5 * debian/changelog New upstream release [16:33] oh [16:33] bzr resolve also seems slightly out of line [16:34] hooray \o/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:50] [kdemultimedia] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100830155031-lfe4ro5cbviur3z5 * debian/changelog New upstream release [17:24] apachelogger: I take over kdeadmin [17:25] apachelogger: I need access to ktown [17:27] * shadeslayer waves to bulldog98 [17:27] bulldog98: rekonq maverick daily builds are a bit messed up, can you have a look when your free? [17:27] * bulldog98 waves to shadeslayer [17:28] bulldog98: you really just need someone to give you the tarball [17:28] apachelogger: so could you do that [17:28] i could upload it [17:28] no, but shadeslayer maybe [17:28] yeah hold on [17:28] I am currently wasting all my bandwith on kdegames [17:28] :) [17:28] shadeslayer: I look to that [17:28] yeah kdegames is huge :P [17:29] apachelogger: I’ll download with 54kbit/sec [17:29] * shadeslayer tries a ktown to people.ubuntu.com direct copy [17:32] bulldog98: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/packages/ [17:32] its still copying [17:32] and done... [17:38] hm [17:38] uploading kdegames and doing a windows upgrade cant be a good idea [17:40] shadeslayer: it would appear to me that the rekonq address bar is blocking while waiting for suggestions [17:40] which would, considering that I have a slowish connection, explain the laggyness [17:41] because now I am on my new laptop and it still fails to update as quickly as I type [17:41] so I think hardware and config problems fall flat as possible cases [17:55] Hello Kubuntu ! :) [17:58] lex79 \o/ [17:58] :-* [17:58] * apachelogger would order a welcome back party from kubotu, but since jussi stole the poor bot ... ;) [17:59] apachelogger: can you add this key in ktown? https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+sshkeys [17:59] and delete the old one please...thanks [18:00] lex79: done [18:00] ok thanks [18:00] hm, apparently dput failed at Uploading kdegames_4.5.1.orig.tar.bz2: 56672k/56673k [18:00] is stuck there for 5 minutes now :/ [18:00] * apachelogger grows ever so sad and restarts upload [18:03] [kdegames] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100830170327-y53a6yi9174tyt92 * debian/changelog New upstream release [18:04] apachelogger: Permission denied (publickey) [18:04] :( [18:04] lex79: maybe kate likes to eat remote files now [18:04] lets try again [18:05] uhm [18:05] apachelogger: use nano then :) [18:05] you did not just say that!?!?! [18:05] that reminds me [18:05] hihih :) [18:06] I know for a fact that Quintasan is not using vim [18:06] because vim makes UNRELEASED super duper red backgrounded so one notices [18:06] Quintasan did not notice for the rc we skipped and went on to 4.5.0 [18:06] lol [18:06] which either means he is close to blind OR not using vim [18:07] lex79: try agai [18:08] apachelogger: thanks it works now [18:08] ah [18:08] bbiab [18:11] * bulldog98 debuilding kdeadmin and 2 of 3 patches are now in Upstream [18:13] apachelogger: version number should be 4.5.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 right? [18:13] +Epoche [18:13] bulldog98: yes [18:14] cause the number in bzr was 4.5.0b [18:16] apachelogger: should I bump the Build-Depends to 4.5.1? [18:17] apachelogger: If Quintasan gets sponsored to UDS, we can take a moment when his guardian is distracted and give him some "encouragement" about proper editor usage. [18:19] apachelogger: that server may comeback online soon.. company said they might upgrade my net... [18:19] ScottK: reported bug on plasma-widget-menubar per email: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/626935 [18:19] Launchpad bug 626935 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "mnemonics do not work in Kubuntu Maverick with plasma-netbook" [Undecided,New] [18:19] jjesse: Great. Hopefully agateau can have a look at it. [18:20] let me know how i can help [18:23] That's all I know of. We need to hear from agateau now. [18:24] * bulldog98 is thinking about weather it’s normal that there is a file gone since 4.5.0 [18:26] debfx: why you removed/changed so many our "conflicts/replaces" in Qt ? [18:26] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/111#debian/control [18:27] this is my error I get cause a file has gone in KDE: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/191 [18:27] Hi JontheEchidna ! [18:28] Hi [18:28] JontheEchidna: found your easter egg [18:28] ;-) [18:29] bulldog98: the Supercow power? where? [18:29] JontheEchidna: and translated it into German ;-) [18:29] ulysses: Ctrl+Shift+M [18:30] translated it? I don't think I made it translatable... (it requires a fixed-width font) [18:30] JontheEchidna: I did it and it works [18:30] JontheEchidna: it's translatable, but aptitude contains also a similar sentence, so there isn't any problem [18:30] and it's funny:) [18:30] JontheEchidna: found that only because I’ve translated it and I had to search the source code to use it [18:31] oh, right [18:31] but the picture isn't translateable ;) [18:31] I forgot there was another sentence in that dialog [18:31] JontheEchidna: yes [18:32] JontheEchidna: do you know if it can happen that KDE drops files with an new Bugfix release? [18:32] perhaps. It wouldn't be common but it would also not be impossible [18:33] e.g. even a file name change will show up as a removal + an addition [18:33] JontheEchidna: it’s an removal [18:35] It happens [18:36] btw is debuild multithreadable? [18:36] debuild is a wrapper, so it depends. [18:36] dpkg-buildpackage can do parallel builds if they are supported by the package. [18:36] hm ok ScottK but it is an picture of the doc. So I was asking if it would be OK. [18:37] Ok thanks ScottK for that information [18:48] I also got an new app [18:48] forgot about that but the app got new things [19:17] can I ignore knetworkconf because it was disabled in 4.4.3 [19:25] anybody interested in helping setup a daily build of scribus-ng? [19:25] i mailed Oleksander, the debian maintainer who is also an upstream committer [19:25] he takes very good care of (K)ubuntu users, has more recent packages in an archive with great docs etc [19:26] and he's keen to collaborate on a daily build [19:29] shadeslayer or yofel: Maybe you two would be interested ^^^ [19:34] hm, shouldn't be too hard if we use recipes, if the source on https://edge.launchpad.net/scribus is what should be used that is [19:35] sabdfl: ^^^ A volunteer. He's been working on KDE nightly builds, so should be just about perfect to help out. [19:46] bulldog98: no version bumps unless necessary [19:47] apachelogger: ok and to the knetworkconf? Should I enable it or not [19:48] ScottK: yeah, that is a very good idea ... now only if I got sponsored ^^ [19:48] jussi: cool [19:48] * jussi crosses fingers [19:48] bulldog98: that what the where the when? [19:49] /join ubuntu+1 [19:49] EagleScreen: loose the whitespaces there ;) [19:49] yofel, ScottK: coolio! [19:49] apachelogger: knetworkconf is enabled in control since 4.4.3 sync with debian [19:49] sabdfl: any way I can talk to Oleksander on irc? [19:50] * apachelogger notes that the free ati driver is super silly in making the flipping gpu fan spin like wild... and that fan is like super loud [19:50] very helicopter like ^^ [19:50] apachelogger: mind your computer is rising into the air [19:50] bulldog98: and what is the problem? [19:50] yofel: i bet he's on both freenode and oftc [19:50] apachelogger: should i enable it or not [19:51] it’s only uncommenting the lines [19:51] bulldog98: you just said that it is enabled since 4.4.3? [19:51] apachelogger: it’s disabled since 4.4.3 [19:51] then leave it disabled? ^^ [19:51] apachelogger: sorry writing mistake [19:52] apachelogger: ok [19:52] * bulldog98 builds kdeadmin in pbuilder to satify it’s deps [19:53] also [19:53] bulldog98: you need to do more careful research [19:53] it is disabled since 4.2.1-0ubuntu3 (jaunty time) [19:53] and the changelog entry says that it is disabled because it is utterly broken [19:54] apachelogger: the last says the same [19:54] well, then, why do you ask :P [19:54] clearly the only reason to turn it on again would be that it got unbroken [19:54] which is not the case [19:54] so ... :) [19:54] apachelogger: to make sure the things I do are right [19:54] :) [19:55] point taken ^^ [19:56] oh [19:57] shadeslayer: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot1.png [19:57] what i that then? [20:20] [kdetoys] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100830192034-krummcj2mao6xaed * debian/changelog New upstream release [20:23] debfx: in case you lost my last message, why you removed/changed so many our "conflicts/replaces" in Qt ? [20:23] debfx: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/111#debian/control [20:31] what to do if pbuilder ended successfully (I’m not an kubuntu-member) [20:43] apachelogger: would it be clever to undo the build of knetworkconf, too? So launchpad doesn’t get that much work? [20:44] bulldog98: not worth the effort IMHO [20:44] that would probably only cut one minute of the build time [20:55] * apachelogger notes that building with an i7 is very nice [20:57] * yofel agrees [20:59] * rbelem would like to own a computer with i7 :'( [20:59] [kdewebdev] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100830195942-y48cgwvk3zi135ba * debian/changelog New upstream release [21:02] rbelem: write a letter to intel ... dear intelz, I very much luv your products, especially the i7, but I do not posses a PC to put an i7 in, also I have no i7 I could put into a PC, which is very sad. it would be super awesome if you could send me a PC and an i7 to put into that PC. yada yada regards. [21:03] note that it must be a letter, they wont believe you if you send an email [21:03] LOL [21:03] that will not work [21:04] are ou sure it will work? [21:04] :-D [21:05] it will, you'll won two PCs [21:05] rbelem: well, it would be worth a try, would it not? also intel is a large company, so there are bound to be spare PCs standing around in some room no one knows about because the person who knew was sacked [21:05] yofel: I'd look up his email address and email him about IRC contact. [21:06] ehehe [21:06] i think i will try [21:06] rbelem: before you try be sure to erase your name from google :P [21:07] I do not think intel employees get payed for googling [21:07] apachelogger: finished what to do to upload it [21:07] ScottK: mark cc'd me to the mails so I will [21:07] yofel: Great. [21:07] bulldog98: are you member of kubuntu-ninjas? [21:07] apachelogger: yes [21:08] suffix the version with ~ppa1 and set the target series to maverick [21:08] dantti_work, you should try too, as far as i remember you computer is a little bit old too, isn't it? [21:08] Any one having any luck with Kubuntu Maverick beta installs (Live) [21:08] then build a source package and dput it to ppa:kubuntu-ninjas [21:08] then debcommit your bzr changes and push the branch [21:08] apachelogger: debcommit? [21:08] then find someone to check your commit [21:09] bulldog98: man debcommit [21:09] oh, you cannot commit [21:09] you are not kubuntu member ;) [21:09] rbelem: my wife returned my core2duo when I brought her a vaio :P [21:09] bulldog98: either create a bzr merge directive (bzr send --help) or a regular patch (bzr diff) and send it to apachelogger@ubuntu.com [21:09] ehehe [21:10] lex79: these conflicts aren't necessary for lucid->maverick upgrades [21:10] rbelem: now I want a vaio :P don't you wanna buy a Dell? [21:10] dont buy dells with ati cards :P [21:10] you will get a helicopter for free [21:11] dantti_work, mine is a core2duo too, but it takes too long to compile [21:11] no, it's a NVidia 8400gs [21:11] well, if you want that then get a machine with ati chip [21:11] ultimately HD [21:11] rbelem: which clock? mine is 2.4 pretty fast [21:11] 2.2 [21:12] * apachelogger is about to finish uprading to vista sp1 \\o/ [21:12] rbelem: buy server hardware (two 8 Cores and 64GiBi Ram) and you won’t have to worry anymore [21:12] ehehe [21:12] writing a letter to IBM? [21:12] ScottK: I'll try the installation again in a moment, but is 'try kubuntu' supposed to work currently? I get the installer with a slideshow and nothing else http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/live.png [21:12] the problem here is money :-D [21:12] dear I bee em... [21:13] beem [21:13] scotty! [21:13] \o/ [21:13] it would be nice to receive a big black box with the ibm brand :-D [21:13] oh [21:13] you know [21:13] rbelem: you will know that when your child is born, no more money for tech stuff :P [21:14] there is one aspect about server hardware that no one considers [21:14] running that stuff is flipping expensive [21:14] !!! [21:14] like srsly [21:14] cooling alone [21:14] * apachelogger just started crying [21:15] dantti_work, i'm already preparing myself for that :'( [21:15] eh [21:15] Oo [21:15] does apport disobey my orders from /etc/default/apport now [21:16] or is it that hook stuff that thinks I want to hear crap from apport? [21:17] apachelogger, i imagine that servers should make the energy bill much more expensive [21:18] unless you are married to the boss of the energy provider [21:18] eheheh [21:19] or something similar, while he is married to someone else [21:19] ... [21:21] yofel: It hasn't been updated since Friday when it didn't work, but it's not clear if that was a one time failure of if everything fails. [21:27] ScottK: well, the 'try kubuntu' option gives me only the slideshow no matter how often I try it [21:27] * yofel goes looking at .xsession-errors [21:27] Thanks. [21:27] yofel: It doesn't look like bug 625586 does it? [21:27] Launchpad bug 625586 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity killed by OOM killer" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625586 [21:28] no, there's plenty of memory left and no oom-killer messages, it just doesn't do anything [21:28] erm, as what user is the installer being run? [21:29] No idea. [21:29] I do know it's supposed to start installing as soon as it can and be working on installing stuff while it asks you questions. [21:30] ScottK: yeah, but I'm not trying to *install* it, I want to try the live disk [21:30] Right. [21:30] but the installer doesn't let me [21:30] IIRC that worked. [21:45] apachelogger: send that mail [21:47] hm [21:48] bulldog98: [21:48] -usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ksystemlog/groupby-hour.png [21:48] +#usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/ksystemlog/groupby-hour.png [21:48] what is the story behind that? [21:48] +debian-changes-4:4.5.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 [21:48] and that is 100% wrong [21:48] apachelogger: that file is gone in the sourcepackage [21:49] so why did you comment it out? [21:49] apachelogger: maybe it’ll come back [21:49] bulldog98: what makes you think that? [21:50] apachelogger: hm normally I wouldn’t purge an picture for an doc [21:50] maybe an mistake [21:51] well [21:51] why did it disappear from the source? [21:51] apachelogger: I don’t know [21:52] bulldog98: see, that is the wrong answer ;) [21:52] bulldog98: I recommend you take a look at KDE websvn and try to find a trace of that file and what happened to it [21:52] because it might very well be that its removal was accidential and now the the documentation would be broken [21:53] apachelogger: I’ll do that [21:58] apachelogger: ok that picture was defently old [22:00] apachelogger: and that was an doc update [22:01] apachelogger: next time I know for what I have to check [22:04] bulldog98: :) [22:04] bulldog98: once you have a new patch, just send it my way [22:04] * apachelogger is going to go to bed, properly, not keyboard ^^ [22:05]