[00:18] <BUGabundo> nite
[00:20] <mininessie> how do i use patch
[00:22] <penguin42> mininessie: cd into the directory you are going to patch and then   patch -p0 < thepatchfile    where the 0 might need changing to strip off bits of path
[00:24] <mininessie> penguin42, well bash: patch: No such file or directory
[00:25] <penguin42> mininessie: Well you need to install patch just like any other program; however if you don't realise that then I guess you aren't familiar with building code and debugging stuff so go back a step and what are you trying to do?
[00:25] <mininessie> penguin42, i installed it
[00:26] <mininessie> penguin42, should i move the patch file to the directory first
[00:26] <penguin42> mininessie: You shouldn't need to, just modify the path as appropriate
[00:27] <mininessie> penguin42, than why does it not work
[00:27] <penguin42> type    which patch
[00:27] <mininessie> /usr/bin/patch
[00:28] <penguin42> ok, so what exactly are you typing when it gave you the no such file or directory ?
[00:29] <mininessie> todd@todd:~/hybrid_wl$ patch -p0 < patch
[00:29] <penguin42> and where is the file called patch ?
[00:29] <mininessie> penguin42, patch came with the instructions on how to patch broadcom sta
[00:30] <penguin42> and where is the file called patch ?
[00:31] <mininessie> tmp
[00:31] <mininessie> its in tmp
[00:31] <penguin42> ok, so patch -p0 < /tmp/patch
[00:31] <mininessie> bash: /tmp/patch: No such file or directory
[00:32] <penguin42> you said the file was in /tmp ?
[00:32] <mininessie> penguin42, the zip file it came in was in tmp
[00:33] <penguin42> mininessie: patch doesn't know anything about zip files it was in or anything like that
[00:33] <penguin42> mininessie: it needs to know where the patch file is
[00:33] <mininessie> penguin42, so i should take the patch file out of there
[00:33] <penguin42> mininessie: patch just wants a text file
[00:33] <mininessie> penguin42, so yes
[00:34] <mininessie> patching file src/include/linuxver.h
[00:35] <mininessie> so did i do it right
[00:36] <yofel> does it say succeeded or failed?
[00:36] <mininessie> neither
[00:37] <yofel> hm, if it finished it should be fine I guess
[00:38] <mininessie> yofel, i won't know until 10.10 get done its about done downloading gotta install hope nothing happens in the install process
[00:39] <yofel> good luck, the kubuntu installer failed me 2 days ago, hope it doesn't happen in gnome
[00:40] <mininessie> yofel, yep
[00:41] <yofel> well, the installer failed at the end and the system seems to work fine, but the installer just vanishing isn't very good ^^
[00:52] <penguin42> yofel: Mind you, as far as I can tell the standard lucid installer normally fails at the end with a stream of cdrom errors
[00:52]  * penguin42 has had that on at least 3 or 4 machines
[00:53] <yofel> mine was killed by oom-killer thanks to >100 instances of plugininstall.py
[01:36] <FFForever> What is the best tool for music/management?
[02:15] <bjsnider> FFForever, whichever one of the thousands available that tickles your funny bone
[02:15] <bjsnider> none of them are perfect
[02:16] <bjsnider> there's banshee, listen, rhythmbox, exaile, amarok and about a thousand more
[02:34] <mickster04> does 10.10 really report sizes (files drives etc) in decimal?
[02:55] <lucidfox> After a recent Maverick update, too many right clicks in a row are generated
[02:55] <lucidfox> any ideas?
[02:56] <lucidfox> when I right click, the first item of the context menu is then selected
[02:58] <Jordan_U> lucidfox: Can you reproduce it with another mouse? It may be the debouncing that's broken (i.e. your hardware is actually sending two clicks, but software shoudld be working around that).
[02:58] <lucidfox> Jordan_U> it worked fine until very recently
[03:15] <alex_mayorga> hello all, stuck at a kernel panic similar to the one in Bug #615914 tips?
[03:18] <alex_mayorga> tried a live USB but seems like it doesn't like my video card :(
[03:23] <alex_mayorga> on recovery I get udevtrigger 409 terminated with status 1
[03:24] <alex_mayorga> is it borked beyond recover?
[03:25] <Dink> do you run windows on there also ?
[03:26] <Dink> guess you could try to point root= in your grub line or repair grub/mbr see if that helps
[03:31] <alex_mayorga> Dink, no win32 here
[03:31] <alex_mayorga> my laptop was full ubuntu by now :(
[03:32] <alex_mayorga> Dink: got a link to a how-to?
[03:34] <Dink> alex_mayorga, first try editing grub with root=/dev/blah, blah being root partition. If that don't work try repairing/rebuilding grub. There are many tutorials. You will need a live cd, chroot etc etc
[03:34] <alex_mayorga> Dink: guess first I'll need a live CD that does live on my laptop
[03:34] <Dink> This might not be the correct fix but it would be my first attempt to try to solve the issue. Or even try a previous kernel.
[03:35] <alex_mayorga> is nvidia broken on liveCD of maverick
[03:35] <Dink> no clue
[03:35] <Dink> I know X and nvidia haven't been playing nice recently
[03:36] <Dink> Hold shift I think it is now when it boots, hit e for edit and try root=/dev/sda1 or whatever then try to boot.
[03:38] <Dink> Again I am no expert. Just what I would try to do.
[03:38] <alex_mayorga> the start of my maverick jurney certainly started bumpy :(
[03:38] <Dink> Well it is alpha ;)
[03:40] <alex_mayorga> my other problems seems like some form of Bug #433943
[03:41] <alex_mayorga> Dink: so replace UUID for /dev/sd?
[03:41] <Dink> That would be my first attempt yeah.
[03:42] <Dink> I could be completely off in the solution.
[03:43] <alex_mayorga> no amd64 liveCDs?? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[03:44] <Dink> This a fresh install or upgrade ?
[03:45] <Dink> I don't think there are smd64 daily
[03:45] <Dink> amd*
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> I tried to upgrade form a fully updated 10.04
[03:46] <Dink> A new kernel just came out recently
[03:46] <Dink> linux-image-2.6.35-19
[03:46] <Dink> I haven't rebooted yet to try it ;)
[03:46] <Dink> You got me scared now. LOL
[03:47] <alex_mayorga> Dink: sorry, didn't mean to :)
[03:47] <Dink> no luck on the root= ?
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> there's no sd nor hd under /dev
[03:48] <Dink> huh
[03:49] <alex_mayorga> it's really weird
[03:49] <Dink> Did you edit through the grub menu right when you boot ?
[03:50] <Dink> Not sure what you are doing.
[03:51] <alex_mayorga> Dink: yes, I'm tryin to use TAB there to autocomplete
[03:51] <Dink> There is no autocomplete there
[03:51] <Dink> you have to type it in manually
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> Dink: thanks on all the help and patience :D
[03:53] <Dink> I am actually about to head to bed soon
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> tried an older kernel from the list, boots of sorts, but the mouse is non responsive and the icons in gdm show a red X
[03:54] <Dink> Ahh you have nvidia huh. Yeah sorry man I am clueless there. Try the link in topic or forum.
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> I guess I'll try to rescue my data with a lucid liveCD and forget about maverick for now
[03:55] <Dink> Yeah probably best especially if you using nvidia
[03:55] <alex_mayorga> !topic
[03:56] <Dink> Im off. Good luck !!
[03:58] <alex_mayorga> Dink: bye and thanks
[04:06] <mininessie> i upgraded from 10.04 to ubuntu 10.10 and haven't rebooted yet should i reboot and have it fail if it does or not and stay on as i know it work
[04:18] <alex_mayorga> mininessie: video card?
[04:18] <alex_mayorga> I for one got bitten badly by the meerkat so I'd say stick to what works
[04:19] <alex_mayorga> but maybe it's all user error and my own fault
[04:19] <alex_mayorga> anyhow, sleepy time here
[04:19] <alex_mayorga> mininessie: good luck
[04:44] <mininessie> i can't update 10.10
[04:45] <mininessie> or at least refresh and update update manager
[04:46] <mininessie> how do i know if i am actually search for updates with 10.10
[04:49] <mininessie> i need some help
[04:52] <bbordwell> mininessie, what do you need help with?
[04:53] <mininessie> bbordwell, todd@todd:~$ sudo aptitude upgrade
[04:53] <mininessie> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[04:53] <mininessie> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:53] <mininessie> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[04:53] <mininessie> bbordwell, and how do i know if it is actually search repos or whatever it search to update
[04:53] <bbordwell> mininessie, have you updated your sources yet? 'sudo apt-get update'
[04:53] <mininessie> bbordwell, yes
[04:54] <bbordwell> well when you run apt-get update that is when it searches the repos for updates, so if it is downloading files when you run update then it is searching
[04:56] <mininessie> bbordwell, how do i know if i have repos that it is searching
[04:57] <bbordwell> mininessie, when you run apt-get update it will print out all of the sources it is checking, like this: Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe Sources
[04:57] <bbordwell> Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe Packages
[04:58] <mininessie> bbordwell, well when i update using update manager gui it shows like downloading 1b
[05:01] <bbordwell> mininessie, well if you have updated recently it does not download anything new it just registers a hit, try again in a few hours and if it is still 1b then something is wrong
[05:18] <mininessie> why is 10.10 download so slow
[05:26] <thehizz> hey anyone know how to refresh the cd driver? i somehow have an unresponsive cd writer right now..
[05:27] <mininessie> um i'm having a problem Failed to download repository information
[05:27] <mininessie> Check your Internet connection. when running the update manager gui
[05:31] <Volkodav> dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.36-020636rc2-generic
[05:31] <Volkodav>  *       nvidia-current (256.44)...
[05:32] <Volkodav> [fail]  - anybody built nvidia against this kernel ?
[05:35] <mininessie> Volkodav, no god why don't you just run arch
[05:36] <Volkodav> because of regression with .35 on btrfs
[05:37] <mininessie> Volkodav, at least .35 works for i am running 10.10 on kernel .32
[05:37] <Volkodav> what fs ?
[05:38] <mininessie> idk
[05:38] <Volkodav> ?
[05:38] <mininessie> ?
[05:38] <Volkodav> I asked what file system do you run on your .32 ?
[05:38] <DanaG> I keep getting null-pointer dereference on btrfs.
[05:39] <mininessie> Volkodav, ext4
[05:39] <Volkodav> that's why you do not care/not affected
[05:40] <mininessie> Volkodav, who me
[05:40] <Volkodav> yes
[05:40] <mininessie> i am confused
[05:40] <thehizz> anyone know the command to refresh the cd/cd driver?
[05:41] <Volkodav> I said I do not run arch because I want .36 kernel because there is regression on btrfs on .35 kernel
[05:41] <mininessie> Volkodav, okay whatever
[05:41] <Volkodav> whatever is clever
[05:48] <thehizz> @tremolux boston, eh?
[05:48] <thehizz> bump - anyone know the commandline command to refresh the cd drive?
[06:25] <S4ry> Hello Maverick :)
[06:26] <S4ry> Okay , i tried to install maverick from a usb flash .. that didn't work , then burned the iso to a DVD-R .. i noticed no GUI with the Live-CD
[06:26] <S4ry> Am i missing something !
[06:27] <S4ry> Maverick alpha 3 of course
[06:47] <Andre_Gondim> always my cpu is heating with flash player is it normal?
[06:53] <jpds> Andre_Gondim: Flash uses a lot of CPU; yes.
[06:55] <S4ry> jpds, how can i install maverick alpha 3 m in 'The right way ..
[06:58] <jpds> S4ry: Download the inso from http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/maverick/alpha-3/ and burn it to a device medium?
[06:59] <jpds> S4ry: If you want a GUI on install, then you probably want maverick-desktop-i386.iso.
[07:00] <S4ry> Yeah , i tried that with maverick-desktop-i386.iso .. still the GUI is missing
[07:00] <jpds> Hmm, odd.
[07:00] <S4ry> i even burned it to a usb flash .. didn't even boot
[07:01] <S4ry> i used startup disk creator ..
[07:01] <S4ry> Lemme  check it again
[07:01] <S4ry> thanks jpds
[07:02] <jpds> No worries.
[07:04] <voidmage> !info nvidia-current maverick
[07:05] <voidmage> !info xorg-server maverick
[07:05] <voidmage> !info xserver-xorg maverick
[07:10] <S4ry> Again , didn't boot from the usb flash
[07:10] <S4ry> very odd  , i 've always boot ubuntu from the flash or the DVD
[07:11] <S4ry> I installed the iso torrent .. if that count for something !
[07:15] <avi_> when Beta 1 comes out, will the UI be (almost) identical to the GM?
[08:57] <shcherbak>  
[09:42] <Drooling_Sheep> hi, I've been using maverick for a while now and it occasionally crashes to the busybox shell...up until now I've just rebooted and it's been fine, but I've rebooted maybe a dozen times and nothing's changed.  I think this is the relevant portion of dmesg http://pastebin.com/9YrzXrMx
[10:50] <Raydiation> hi any known issues with the live cd?
[10:50] <Raydiation> e.g. that it doesnt boot?
[10:50] <Raydiation> and which cd should i use to install?
[10:52] <Raydiation> alternate or desktop?
[10:53] <jussi> o/
[10:53] <Sargun> Heya
[10:53] <jussi> Araneidae: Ive 10.10 at home, its not too badly broken for me as of last night, but maybe someone broke it since
[10:54] <Sargun> How unsafe is it to upgrade to 10.10?
[10:54] <jussi> Sargun: if you have a production system, dont.
[10:54] <jussi> Sargun: most things work, but may break at any time.
[10:54] <Sargun> jussi, Isn't that true of most things?
[10:55] <jussi> hehe
[10:55]  * Raydiation has a production system and wants to install alpha3
[10:55] <Raydiation> i wont update til alpha4
[10:55]  * Sargun wants BTRfs
[10:56] <Sargun> and TRIM
[10:56] <Sargun> I'm getting an SSD on tuesday, and I might install alpha3, but have /boot and / separated (Ext4 for boot), and btrfs for /
[10:56] <Sargun> with TRIM
[10:57] <Sargun> From what I understand, it's fairly safe...
[10:58] <Raydiation> Sargun: dont use btrfs
[10:58] <Sargun> Raydiation, why not?
[10:58] <Raydiation> ive heard the opposite from a known linux magazine
[10:58] <Sargun> heard the opposite of?
[10:58] <Raydiation> lots of people complaining that they cant mount btrfs after some time
[10:59] <Raydiation> you have to be conservative with the filesystem
[10:59] <Sargun> whoa
[10:59] <Raydiation> just wait until it gets stable, then wait another 6 months
[11:00] <Sargun> Raydiation, ugh, I hate waiting
[11:00] <Raydiation> if youve already got an ssd, the performance boost of btrfs wont be as great as the transition form hd to ssd
[11:00] <Raydiation> got an ssd too
[11:01] <Raydiation> Sargun: i used ext4 when it was marked as stable -> i had to reinstall and lost my data in /home
[11:01] <Raydiation> so unless you can say: data loss is no problem for me
[11:01] <Raydiation> dont try anything else than ext4 and ext3
[11:02] <Sargun> I don't want to nuke my SSD
[11:02] <Sargun> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147064 < Brand, spankin new.
[11:02] <Sargun> I've already been through 2 hdds
[11:03] <Raydiation> thats an expensive one
[11:03] <Sargun> ...
[11:03] <KE1HA> with brtfs, unless your using the systems for multi-thousand hit requests, to massive database query's, the average user will not see any significant improvement.
[11:03] <Raydiation> Sargun: i got this one http://geizhals.at/a444063.html
[11:05] <KE1HA> And sure, Benchmarks, that really stress test a FS, will show some improvements, but reproducing those environments in real world situations is pretty tough to do.
[11:05] <Sargun> KE1HA, Okay, reasons I want BTRFS + SSD: I want my SSD to last longer, I want to be able to take snapshots without booting into a init 1 env, I don't want my drive to die from the vibrations I've been putting it through (that's more SSD than HDD).
[11:06] <Sargun> I might use LVM instead
[11:06] <Sargun> but the performance loss from LVM is insane
[11:07] <Sargun> Raydiation, that's a decent drive
[11:08] <KE1HA> Sargun:  Me personally, I don't use LVM for any critical data storage, but certainly SSD speeds fer things like snapshot will be very snappy.
[11:10] <Sargun> We use LVM for a bunch of stuff at work
[11:11] <KE1HA> Sargun:  Here's a pretty descent comparison of EXT4 & BTRFS from Phronix: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux2635_btrfs&num=1
[11:12] <Araneidae> jussi, thanks.  I'll wait though ;)
[11:13] <Sargun> KE1HA, I'd love if they compared LVM
[11:15] <KE1HA> Sargun:  agreed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ditching on LVM, it's has its uses, but fer critical data storage and service, it's tough to beat a HW RAID system, SCSI, SAN, SATA in whatever flavor.
[11:15] <SwedeMike> Sargun: performance loss from using LVM? why? I haven't seen that.
[11:16] <Sargun> SwedeMike, from #ix?
[11:16] <SwedeMike> Sargun: yes.
[11:16] <Sargun> SwedeMike, I don't know why there is a performance loss..I just know there is one
[11:17] <Sargun> KE1HA, yes, because I can put a hardware raid controller in my laptop...and use FibreChannel and SCSI
[11:17] <SwedeMike> Sargun: read or write?
[11:17] <Sargun> SwedeMike, combo of both simultaneously.
[11:17] <SwedeMike> KE1HA: as long as you avoid 3ware hw-raid, because write performance is abysmal.
[11:17] <Sargun> SwedeMike, We use mostly adaptec gear, it works.
[11:18] <SwedeMike> Sargun: on what underlying media? md or some SAN or something?
[11:18] <Sargun> RAID0 of a bunch of disks.
[11:18] <Sargun> I think 8.
[11:18] <Sargun> 7200 RPM, nothing fancy
[11:18] <Sargun> software MD
[11:18] <Sargun> we performance tested each disk
[11:18] <Sargun> we performance tested the md
[11:19] <Sargun> we performance tested the LVM volume
[11:19] <Sargun> The MD beat all of them, and LVM was hurt significantly
[11:19] <KE1HA> The last big array I worked with was InfiniBand, it was insanely fast. Only thing that beat it was out cluster guys and their raw-write persl scripts, no FS at all. Still dont understand all that yet.
[11:20] <KE1HA> our*
[11:20] <SwedeMike> Sargun: did you test lvm on top of md?
[11:21] <Sargun> SwedeMike, yeah, that's what it was.
[11:21] <Sargun> KE1HA, again, I can't have a SAN in my laptop.
[11:22] <Sargun> KE1HA, We have a distributed cluster store that goes over 2 GigE (2 * 1 GigE (802.3ad)), and it works for me :-P
[11:22] <Sargun> for most object fetches, we can saturate the 10GigE uplinks of the cluster.
[11:22] <Sargun> and considering it was dirt cheap (<$100k) to build, I'm happy.
[11:23] <KE1HA> Indeed, that level of HW is big bucks. You have 2x SSD bays in your laptop ?
[11:25] <Sargun> Yes, but the second one is used for a CD-ROM Drive.
[11:25] <Sargun> ATM
[11:25] <Sargun> KE1HA, RAID1 + LVM?
[11:26] <Sargun> I might do the install on my SSD with LVM
[11:26] <Sargun> because it's not super hard to convert from LVM to non-LVM, just timeconsuming
[11:26] <KE1HA> Well, I'll probably just do with the RAID if possible, unless you really need the expansion capability from LVM, I dont know, LVM is still a bit quirky fer me.
[11:27] <Sargun> KE1HA, when did you last lose data with lvm?
[11:27] <KE1HA> I just split a 4TB array this week on my second workstation, had to many issues with big binary files.
[11:28] <KE1HA> So, now it's 2x2 but, it's solid.
[11:28] <Sargun> how was it implemented
[11:28] <KE1HA> LSI card.
[11:29] <SwedeMike> Sargun: and you got less than half the performance?
[11:29] <Sargun> SwedeMike, at times
[11:30] <KE1HA> I just stuck 2x fer data and 2 fer a backup
[11:30]  * Sargun has only had a few really bad issues with raid - 3ware, and nvraid
[11:32] <KE1HA> When's the Maverick AMD64 ISO's gonna roll out? I heard tomorrow, is that still on track
[11:35] <Cameron> where can I find the maverick daily x64 alternative iso ?
[11:35] <KE1HA> Oddly enough, NCommander jsut sent a note in the release channel about patching a bug that was preventing the AMD64's from building.
[11:36] <Cameron> its not in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[11:36] <Cameron> ok
[11:36] <KE1HA> The 64's have been down for the last 3 to 4 days or so.
[11:36] <Cameron> which is the release channel ?
[11:37] <KE1HA> ubuntu-release
[11:37] <Cameron> taa
[11:37] <KE1HA> B3 testing is due to kick off tomorrow, or the next day, so should be sorted by then I'd imaging.
[11:37] <KE1HA> imagine*
[11:37] <Cameron> I'd hope so :)
[11:42] <yofel> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/maverick/daily-20100830.log bwarfs at
[11:42] <yofel> /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/debian-cd/tools/boot/maverick/boot-amd64: line 113: mkfs.msdos: command not found
[11:42] <yofel> as do all other amd64 isos it seems
[13:04] <Raydiation> maverick is a current snapshot of debian sid right?
[13:07] <gnomefreak> not really. we get packages from sid but even that is done with for this release
[13:19] <penguin42> ok, that took some figuring out - this laptop (which is always plugged in) I came back to find it hibernated
[13:20] <penguin42> it had auto hibernated because I'd actually forgotten to switch it on at the wall
[13:46] <flupke_> hello, I followed this guide to compile maverick kernel on lucid: http://blog.avirtualhome.com/2010/05/05/how-to-compile-a-ubuntu-lucid-kernel/ . but doing debian/rules editconfigs doesn't seem to save my changes
[13:50] <flupke_> are there instructions for building the maverick kernel found on launchpad ?
[13:50] <Sargun> After 10.10, what version will there be? 11.04?
[13:51] <gnomefreak> flupke_: not likely
[13:51] <gnomefreak> Sargun: yes
[13:51] <gnomefreak> flupke_: you should find a later kernel than what you are using in the backports repo
[13:51] <gnomefreak> not sure however what version it is
[13:53] <flupke_> gnomefreak, yes I already have 2.6.35 from the same PPA, but I need to compile it to enable vga_switcheroo
[13:54] <gnomefreak> flupke_: kernel compiling is not as nice to people as they expect. before compiling i suggest reading up on compiling kernels
[13:54] <gnomefreak> flupke_: we are not the place to ask about compiling apps. you may be best off trying #linux
[13:55] <flupke_> gnomefreak, I know how to compile a kernel, that's the ubuntu way of compiling a kernel I'm asking about.
[13:55] <gnomefreak> flupke_: the difference being?
[13:56] <yofel> you mean packaged / make install ?
[13:56] <flupke_> gnomefreak, you use debian/ folder scripts to do so
[13:57] <yofel> flupke_: you should be able to patch the kernel and run 'debuild' in the package directory to build it, but the kernel packaging is quite complicated so I can't guarantee it will work like that
[13:58] <flupke_> yofel, indeed, you don't use debuild to build it, but the debian/rules script
[13:58] <gnomefreak> add the option as a patch or try addding it to /rules
[13:58] <yofel> flupke_: debuild uses the debian/rules script, or rather it runs dpkg-buildpackage which uses debian/rules
[13:59] <gnomefreak> there is a kpackage IIRC that will build it for you
[13:59] <flupke_> I made it create the .deb files, but the resulting kernel seems to have the same options as the default one
[13:59] <penguin42> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile is a good page for the mechanics of building kernel debs
[13:59]  * gnomefreak perfers patching for something like this
[14:00] <flupke_> and when I look at debian.maverick/config/i386/config.flavour.myflavour, I don't see the flags I added with debian/rules editconfigs (although it did mentioned this config file)
[14:01] <flupke_> penguin42, that's the guide found on this page I followed (the link for maverick kernel on lucid)
[14:02] <penguin42> flupke_: Did you change the config in debian/config/whatever or in debian.master/config/whatever ?
[14:02] <flupke_> penguin42, in debian.maverick/
[14:03] <penguin42> flupke_: Are you sure you mean debian.maverick not debian.master ?
[14:03] <flupke_> penguin42, yes
[14:03] <penguin42> flupke_: Odd, I only have the debian and debian.master - I suggest you try changing it in the debian.master
[14:03]  * penguin42 has only used those instructions for adding patches not changing config
[14:04] <gnomefreak> please move this topic to another channel. we do not recommend compiling packages in here and definantly dont not support kernel compiling
[14:05] <penguin42> flupke_: The #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu-kernel channels can be quite helpful for this type of stuff
[14:05] <flupke_> gnomefreak, penguin42, ok, thanks for your help anyway
[14:05] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt use -kenrle or suggest it for support as it is not a support channel
[14:06] <gnomefreak> -kernel even
[14:07] <mortal> is the X issue resolved?
[14:09] <yofel> mortal: what card do you have?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> ati still has issues and so does nvidia
[14:12] <yofel> nvidia has a workaround implemented if you install it with jockey and will be properly fixed soon
[14:12] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/616023
[14:12] <gnomefreak> yofel: yeah i know but it doesnt work for everyone
[14:13] <mortal> yofel: intel
[14:13] <yofel> it doesn't work for people that don't use jockey and don't have the x-updates ppa enabled, if you're using either one it works
[14:13] <mortal> dg45fc
[14:14] <yofel> intel should work, my 945GME in my eeePC has rendering issues though with kwin compositing enabled
[14:16] <gnomefreak> intel has very little problems
[14:16]  * gnomefreak off
[14:20] <mortal> good, now upgrading
[14:21] <mortal> I can live with occasional brokenness and I like to report bugs
[14:21] <mortal> and it is nice to see the distribution maturing
[14:21] <Raydiation> does anyone run with all updates?
[14:21] <Raydiation> since alpha3
[14:27] <yofel> Raydiation: most of us do
[14:29] <Raydiation> yofel: with dist-upgrade too? any problems with nouveau?
[14:30] <yofel> Raydiation: I don't use nouveau, it had to many issues for me
[14:30] <mortal> intel is good
[14:30] <yofel> but the package installs fine
[14:32] <Raydiation1> haha, x just crashed
[14:32] <Raydiation1> so you recommend a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[14:33] <yofel> well, not if you're upgrading from lucid, but if you're running maverick that's the default way to install updates from the command line
[14:33] <Jibadeeha> have just updated my ubuntu 10.10 installation and now the mouse pointer isn't visible, yet the touch pad is working - anyone else here got this problem?
[14:33] <Raydiation1> im running maverick
[14:34] <yofel> Raydiation1: then either use update-manager or run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' to make sure you have all updates installed
[14:59] <kroson> hi, are the packages still being updated for beta at the moment?
[15:00] <Raydiation1> kroson: hm isnt alpha4 coming before beta?
[15:01] <kroson> Raydiation1: well, no
[15:01] <kroson> xD
[15:04] <Raydiation1> will maverick ship ff 4.0?
[15:04] <penguin42> doesn't look like, it's too late
[15:05] <kroson> Raydiation1: well youll be able to get it when its released easily
[15:05] <kroson> penguin42: do you know if they still update packages for the beta release?
[15:05] <Raydiation1> didnt canonical say they will update it because of mozilla security policy
[15:06] <Raydiation1> kroson: what do you mean with update?
[15:06] <Raydiation1> only bugfixes iirc
[15:06] <penguin42> Raydiation1: Oh, not sure - I guess it's possible; but I haven't followed that
[15:06] <kroson> Raydiation1: like ubiquity, for example
[15:06] <kroson> is the new theme already integrated with the dailys?
[15:06] <Raydiation1> kroson: thats the installer right?
[15:06] <kroson> yes
[15:07] <Raydiation1> i dont know, there will be updates for sure and the installer is normally something they work on for a lot longer
[15:07] <Raydiation1> im quite sure there will be more changes
[15:07] <Raydiation1> kroson: im just updating ill tell you
[15:08] <Raydiation1> @theme
[15:08] <kroson> Raydiation1: ok :)
[15:08] <kroson> isnt there a way to use fglrx at the moment?
[15:08] <Raydiation1> kroson: imho open source driver > fglrx
[15:09] <Raydiation1> causes less problems
[15:09] <kroson> Raydiation1: do you have power management?
[15:09] <Raydiation1> ill stick to nouveau too until the beta is released
[15:09] <Raydiation1> kroson: for the gpu?
[15:09] <kroson> yes
[15:10] <Raydiation1> hm, dunno but it works quite well in my laptop
[15:10] <Raydiation1> i can reduce screen brightness too
[15:11] <kroson> Raydiation1: thats normal, i was thinking about the reduce of fan noise and heat...
[15:12] <Raydiation1> kroson: not sure, but i dont have problems with that
[15:13] <kroson> ok, thank you :)
[15:13] <kroson> but you really dont know if theres a way to install fglrx?
[15:13] <Raydiation1> if i were you i wouldnt do it
[15:14] <Raydiation1> theyre upgrading the xserver and ati is slow on updating their drivers
[15:14] <Raydiation1> plus i only had problems with fglrx
[15:14] <Raydiation1> you can always try to install it manually
[15:15] <Raydiation1> but i dont think it will work
[15:32] <gnomefreak> Raydiation: the update policy you are refering to doesnt apply to 3.6 -> * 3.6 will run its course. IIRC we decided not to ship 4.0 in Maverick but im waiting on an answer to make sure
[15:32] <gnomefreak> tb3.1 or ff4.0 will not make it and im waiting on what one it is
[15:32] <Raydiation> gnomefreak: ah k thx
[15:33] <gnomefreak> np
[15:38] <yofel> gnomefreak: thunderbird 3.1 is already in maverick
[15:38] <yofel> !info thunderbird
[15:38] <gnomefreak> thank it is 4.0 that will not end up in Maverick
[15:38] <yofel> right, that's still beta
[15:39] <gnomefreak> s/thank/thanks than
[15:39] <gnomefreak> one of these days i have find a workaround for nvidia
[15:40] <yofel> Raydiation, kroson: the new update manager is already used in the daily images and will be used for beta too, and it's updated regularily till release
[15:40] <yofel> er...
[15:40] <yofel> s/update manager/installer/
[15:40] <kroson> yofel: :)
[15:41] <kroson> and as for ubiquity will this one be used for beta?
[15:41] <yofel> !info ubiquity
[15:41] <yofel> that will be used for beta
[15:41] <kroson> yes, that one, which is the latest xD
[15:42] <kroson> yofel: so you think that the daily that is now available is very similar to the beta release?
[15:43] <yofel> kroson: yes, there are only bugfixes till beta now so the images shouldn't change much
[15:43] <kroson> yofel: but they have not been shipping 64-bit live dailys
[15:43] <kroson> whats happening?
[15:44] <yofel> here's what happened:
[15:44] <yofel> /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/debian-cd/tools/boot/maverick/boot-amd64: line 113: mkfs.msdos: command not found
[15:44] <yofel> it's being worked on
[15:44] <yofel> (from the iso build log)
[15:45] <kroson> yofel: ok, thank you :)
[15:48] <kroson> yofel: the default theme is already the beta one too?
[15:50] <yofel> I think yes, but as I use KDE someone else might now more
[15:50] <kroson> ok, tks
[15:54] <killer99> I get this error when I add any ppa "the repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems"
[16:02] <Raydiation> language installation doesnt work yet
[16:04] <Zil_> hi
[16:04] <Zil_> i'm willing to test nouveau 3d drivers, how to install them ?
[16:06] <yofel> you need the default nouveau drivers and one additional package, now I need to remember which one that was...
[16:07] <yofel> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[16:07] <yofel> install that and you should have 3D in nouveau
[16:07] <Zil_> nouveau-firmware also ?
[16:08] <yofel> not sure, it worked without on my NVS 3100M
[16:09] <Zil_> ubuntu netbook is unusable without those drivers
[16:10] <yofel> ION? don't know much about those cards
[16:11] <Zil_> no ti's a desktop pc with gts250
[16:12] <Zil_> but i'm loving netbook UI
[16:12] <yofel> heh
[16:32] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey guys. How can i install the maverick radiance and ambiance themes? I can only find packages that installs ambiance
[16:33] <kroson> ChrisBuchholz: have you updated maverick?
[16:33] <kroson> the latest ubuntu-light package should bring them
[16:33] <ChrisBuchholz> kroson: oh, sorry. I'm on lucid. I just wish to try the themes
[16:35] <kroson> i know there was a ppa but dont remember wich one was
[16:36] <ChrisBuchholz> kroson: yeah, thats the problem :P
[16:37] <kroson> https://launchpad.net/~murrine-daily/+archive/ppa
[16:39] <ChrisBuchholz> kroson: i believe i have tried that earlier, and now again with the same result: I dont see the radiance theme, only ambiance and ambiance-dark
[16:41] <mortal> now running maverick on dg45fc, intel gfx, everything is verry good
[16:41] <mortal> for some reason the hd seeks are more audible
[16:45] <kulight> Evolution opens on the contact list instead of the mail page. can any one help?
[17:10] <kulight> Evolution opens on the contact list instead of the mail page. can any one help?
[18:08]  * S4ry just had to update the kernel on maverick alpha 3
[18:15] <dandi8> Hi, can someone help me? I've installed Ubuntu maverick on my laptop and it's very slow - idles on 20-30% and every time I do anything CPU usage goes up to 100%
[18:15] <S4ry> Mmm
[18:16] <S4ry> dandi8, i just installed Maverick myself .. updated
[18:16] <S4ry> and everything is just fine
[18:16] <dandi8> well, I insalled it because 10.04 gave me a black screen after splash
[18:16] <dandi8> and it may be because of my graphics card - Intel 82852
[18:17] <S4ry> Thats odd !
[18:17] <dandi8> I really don't know what to do, I'm kinda new to Linux, although a long time Windows user
[18:17] <dandi8> I've tried pretty much everything I could
[18:18] <dandi8> even created a xorg.conf which I'm not sure even works
[18:18] <S4ry> Mmm , i don't think it's related to the graphic card , but you may wana check if its Active
[18:18] <dandi8> I'm on a Toshiba Satelite A10 btw.
[18:18] <S4ry> Nice
[18:18] <dandi8> how to do it?
[18:18] <S4ry> Try this
[18:18] <S4ry> Go to system
[18:19] <S4ry> Admin
[18:19] <S4ry> Additional
[18:19] <S4ry> Thats for Drives
[18:19] <dandi8> additional drivers?
[18:19] <dandi8> nothing there
[18:19] <S4ry> Yep
[18:19] <S4ry> hum !
[18:20] <dandi8> but I've seen some intel drivers presumably installed in synaptic
[18:21] <dandi8> I'm also able to do some basic word processing like running XChat or surfing the web so that's why I think it may be the GFX card
[18:21] <dandi8> although SysMon says CPU spikes to 100%
[18:21] <S4ry> Mmm
[18:21] <dandi8> oh and games usually work, although very slow or with no FPS at all
[18:22] <dandi8> I'm able to play Tux Racer, although it's choppy, the Tux mario clone flickers, etc.
[18:22] <dandi8> and other 3D games are pretty much still images once I launch them XD
[18:22] <S4ry> :)
[18:22] <S4ry> dandi8, Lets take it to #ubuntu
[18:22] <dandi8> and on WinXP I was able to play games with good FPS without problems
[18:22] <dandi8> they just told me to go away from there XD
[18:23] <S4ry> Nah  ! they did
[18:23] <dandi8> they said that since it's maverick, I should go to ubuntu+1
[18:23] <S4ry> Okay. thats fine
[18:23] <S4ry> Lets take it step by step
[18:24] <dandi8> I just hope it can be done... I could really use this laptop in school
[18:24] <S4ry> Have ya updated maverick
[18:24] <dandi8> yeah
[18:24] <S4ry> And upgraded
[18:24] <S4ry> Nice
[18:24] <dandi8> if by updated you mean ran the updater
[18:24] <dandi8> upgraded? not sure
[18:24] <S4ry> Yep
[18:25] <dandi8> I just installed it yesterday
[18:25] <dandi8> with a newly downloaded DVD
[18:25] <S4ry> Okay , upgrade with the follow command
[18:25] <dandi8> well, CD, actually, which, to my amazement, worked on a dvd
[18:25] <dandi8> follow command?
[18:25] <S4ry> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:26] <S4ry> Yeah , i installed it from a CD too
[18:26] <dandi8> ok, updating
[18:27] <S4ry> Nice
[18:27] <S4ry> BRB
[18:27] <dandi8> also, funny thing - I've got no mouse cursor on the monitor after bootup until I suspend and restore
[18:29] <dandi8> ok, it seems to have updated now
[18:29] <dandi8> what do I do now?
[18:34] <S4ry> Back
[18:34] <S4ry> dandi8, nice
[18:35] <S4ry> you should reboot after that , just for the kernel
[18:35] <S4ry> Also
[18:35] <S4ry> Make sure to set the sources for maverick
[18:35] <penguin42> if any of you are seeing really bad flickering and rendering artifacts on the open source radeon drivers, I've got a ppa with a fix in
[18:38] <S4ry> dandi8, System -Administration- Software sources .. on other software make sure o check mark the / ubuntu maverick partner
[18:38] <yofel> S4ry: just as a note, the recommended way to upgrade is 'update-manager -d' or 'do-release-upgrade -d' not dist-upgrade
[18:38] <dandi8> I think i have all the sources checked
[18:38] <S4ry> close - reload
[18:39] <dandi8> so I should reboot the system now?
[18:39] <S4ry> yofel, thats right .. dandi8 has already installed maverick
[18:39] <S4ry> dandi8, Yep
[18:39] <dandi8> alright, and then come back here?
[18:39] <S4ry> Sure :)
[18:39] <dandi8> be back in a sec then
[18:40] <S4ry> Tyt
[18:40] <yofel> S4ry: right, didn't read the whole backlog :/ just got the impression from what you were saying..
[18:41] <S4ry> yofel, dandi8 , has an issue on maverick .. maybe related to his G card .. if you scroll up you may have a clue whats the issue is
[18:42] <S4ry> O' , thanks yofel ..
[18:44] <yofel> hm, there are no additional drivers for intel, but I remember hearing about the 8* card issues. maverick has a newer driver so it might help, but since xserver 1.9 is a bit buggy for me on my 945GME
[18:46] <dandi8> and I'm back
[18:50] <S4ry> WB dandi8
[19:02] <abhijjeet> how to add compiz asa startup item in the maverick
[19:19] <S4ry> abhijjeet,  try Adding it to the Start up programs
[19:22] <abhijjeet> how to add in the startup programme what command to give in the command option
[19:25] <Andre_Gondim> abhijjeet, in terminal you can add in /etc/rc.local, if is it in X, you can add in System --> Preferences --> Statup...
[19:51] <Chipaca> I've got an intel video card, and am finding it works very poorly in maverick. What should I do?
[19:53] <S4ry> Chipaca, is i active on maverick
[19:54] <S4ry> it*
[19:54] <Chipaca> "works very poorly" means: with the default kernel, does not work at all. With some 2.6.36 (from kernel.ubuntu.com), it only works if I turn off the splash, and even then only in 16bps (looks like)
[19:54] <Chipaca> S4ry: i didn't understand the question :-/
[19:55] <S4ry> Chipaca, You can check if the drive is active from System - Additional Drivers
[19:55] <penguin42> Chipaca: Do you know which Intel card?   (lspci | grep -i vga  )
[19:56] <Chipaca> penguin42: "Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)"
[19:57] <Chipaca> S4ry: i thought that was just for proprietary drivers
[19:57] <penguin42> Chipaca: OK, something like an i3 or i5 processor?
[19:57] <Chipaca> penguin42: i7, yes
[19:57] <penguin42> Chipaca: Hmm I thought those were supposed to work with the normal Intel drivers
[19:58] <penguin42> Chipaca: Pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg output ?
[19:58] <S4ry> Someone is also missing the right intel drive for his toshiba
[19:59] <S4ry> His CPU : Intel Celeron 2.5GHz
[20:00] <Chipaca> penguin42: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/485975/
[20:02] <penguin42> Chipaca: Well, its found the intel driver and looks mostly happy
[20:02] <Chipaca> penguin42: yeah, but the default maverick background looks aweful, moire'ed
[20:03] <Chipaca> penguin42: 16bpp-like (although xdpyinfo seems to say 24bpp)
[20:03] <penguin42> ah, I'm not using the default background
[20:03] <Chipaca> dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485977/
[20:03] <penguin42> Chipaca: How about if you just look at one of your own pictures?
[20:04] <Chipaca> penguin42: also, this is only with the splash off, and then only after switching to console and back; otherwise, blank screen
[20:04] <Chipaca> penguin42: why would I do that? I'm way too ugly
[20:04] <Chipaca> penguin42: :)
[20:04] <penguin42> Chipaca: I meant ones you had taken of less ugly people of course
[20:06] <Chipaca> anything with a gradient looks banded
[20:06] <penguin42> Chipaca: Well, there is one warning in the Xorg.0.log about not being able to allocate memory for fbcon, but I don't know how serious that is
[20:06] <penguin42> Chipaca: The dmesg shows power or thermal limit errors/warnings - that could explain your performance problem
[20:06] <Chipaca> not seeing performance problems
[20:07] <Chipaca> not sure what those warnings are about :)
[20:07] <penguin42> Chipaca: Oh ok, I thought you said stuff was slow; anyway, you shouldn't have to play around with all that mess of switching to console and back, so bug report it
[20:07] <penguin42> Chipaca: You could try booting with nomodeset to see if it's related to KMS makes any difference
[20:08] <Chipaca> I've already filed 13 bugs against the intel driver today because apport prompted me to :)
[20:08] <Machtin> why do i have frequent freezes? i know it's alpha.. but twice a day or more, seriously?
[20:08] <Chipaca> penguin42: nomodeset won't work in maverick
[20:08] <Chipaca> penguin42: the X in maverick needs modeset
[20:08] <penguin42> Chipaca: Really? Oh odd
[20:09] <penguin42> Chipaca: OK, well I'm out of suggestions really - I'd go and figure out what those temperature warnings are about; if the cooling isn't happy then it could explain random crashes and the apport errors
[20:10] <dandi8> I've installed Maverick on my laptop with an Intel 82852/855 gfx card and CPU usage spikes up to 100% every time I do anything at all, help?
[20:11] <penguin42> Chipaca: Ah - you're running 2.6.36 ?!
[20:11] <penguin42> Chipaca: There are some messages going past on the lkml in the last day or two about 2.6.36 hosing Intel displays - swit
[20:12] <Chipaca> penguin42: yes; 2.6.35 will not give me a console nor an X nor nothing
[20:12] <penguin42> ch back to the normal maverick kernel
[20:12] <Chipaca> penguin42: normal maverick kernel turns my 1920x1080 notebook display into a black rectangle of nothingness
[20:13] <Chipaca> penguin42: so much waste makes me cry
[20:14] <penguin42> Chipaca: Well you're on an Alpha - expect breakage!
[20:14] <Chipaca> it's a beta now!
[20:14] <Chipaca> :)
[20:14]  * penguin42 has to go
[20:14] <Chipaca> penguin42: thanks
[20:14] <penguin42> Chipaca: I'd report the bug on the standard Maverick kernel - if it's breaking on i3/i5/i7 then people certainly need to know and get it fixed
[20:15] <penguin42> Chipaca: The good thing is there are lots of people with them, so I'm sure it'll get fixed quickly
[20:16] <Chipaca> I *hate* writing bug reports when I know nothing :(
[20:16]  * Chipaca sighs, and goes to laucnhpad
[20:30] <Daekdroom> good lord. alarcarte is a let down
[20:35] <Dink> Got an open qusetion to all. Do most people here run the default swapiness=60 if not what do you run at ?
[20:36]  * patdk-wk just doesn't mount swap
[20:36] <yofel> my notebook doesn't run with swap, my desktop has 60, and my netbook 0 as it has a SSD
[20:38] <Dink> Yeah I have playing around trying to find that sweet spot.
[20:38] <Dink> Got a netbook but not SSD
[20:39] <Dink> I have tried 60 and even 100
[20:40] <yofel> meanings are usually: 0 - don't use swap unless you have to, 100 - swap things out as soon as reasonable so we have space for the disk cache
[20:41] <yofel> I don't know how the algorithm decides what to do in between those exactly
[20:42] <yoasif> i dont talk here much unless yofel is in the conversation but... you guys should check out a social news site im working on... http://quippd.com/
[20:42] <yofel> XD
[20:43] <Dink> I have been debating not to use swap but haven't narrowed it down but mutter/nautilus/unity is eating a lot of memeory and I have to go into swap
[20:45] <dandi8> I've installed Maverick on my laptop with an Intel 82852/855 gfx card and CPU usage spikes up to 100% every time I do anything at all, help?
[20:47] <yofel> dandi8: checked with top what process is using it?
[20:48] <Dink> When I hup mutter/nautilus I get back close to 1gb of ram
[20:50] <yofel> that sounds like a nice memory leak ^^
[20:50] <Dink> Yeah I should investigate more on exactly what causes it
[20:51] <Dink> I recalled nautiulus have a memory leak isuse couple years ago
[20:53] <Dink> Ahh bug #60477
[20:53] <Dink> Ahh bug #604777
[20:54] <dandi8> the problem is, no process is using it
[20:54] <dandi8> it's 100% CPU usage out of thin air
[20:55] <dandi8> System Monitor idles at 20-30%
[20:55] <dandi8> and goes up to 50%
[20:55] <dandi8> but in the performance window of said System Monitor
[20:55] <dandi8> if I move any window at all
[20:55] <dandi8> or do anything else
[20:55] <dandi8> global CPU usage goes up to 100%
[20:59] <S4ry> dandi8,
[21:09] <feydr> having trouble powering off my laptop; it gets to the shutdown splash screen and then stops; I can flip through the virtual terms but am not able to log into any...alt+sysreq works but doesn't really give anything to me.. where should I start?
[21:22] <jca1981> hi is there a way to downgrade from Maverik to Lucid?
[21:22] <IdleOne> jca1981: there is no way to downgrade but maybe we can fix what is wrong
[21:22] <IdleOne> any specific errors?
[21:22] <jca1981> i upgraded to maverick by mistake on my server ad broke my install
[21:23] <IdleOne> jca1981: "broke my install" is a very broad statement. what is not working
[21:23] <jca1981> now procps is broken and i cant boot the system
[21:25] <jca1981> i get a " Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused" when i do dpkg --configure procps
[21:25] <yofel> dandi8: are you using compositing, can you try to turn that off? maybe change the theme to make sure it's not a rendering issue with the engine, if not, try to file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel' as I'm not sure what to do more
[21:26] <yofel> dandi8: maybe see if you can find something in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/
[21:26] <jca1981> IdleOne, any ideas how to fix it ? :)
[21:27] <IdleOne> jca1981: try sudo dpkg --confirgure -a
[21:28] <IdleOne> but honestly I have no idea. except for backing up and do a clean install
[21:28] <jfi> jca1981, there is some registered bugs with this error
[21:28] <jfi> jca1981, I have no idea how to fix, maybe try to take a look at launchpad
[21:28] <jca1981> jfi, thanks
[21:29] <jfi> jca1981,  for example this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430224
[21:29] <jca1981> IdleOne, "sudo dpkg --confirgure -a" gives same error
[21:33] <jca1981> jfi i found somthing interesting. i cant upgrade procps when chrooted. problem is i cant get my box started without install rescue cd
[21:34] <jca1981> can anybody guide me througt a grub2 setup, i have tried to follow guides no the internet and run update-grub but it still only boots to grub console :(
[21:35] <IdleOne> jca1981: have you tried loging in to TTY and running sudo dpkg --confirgure -a ?
[21:36] <Daekdroom> Damn it. X keeps becoming unresponsive to mouse clicks.
[21:37] <jca1981> IdleOne, how do i log into TTY?
[21:37] <IdleOne> !nox
[21:41] <jca1981> tried running ""dpkg-divert --local --rename --add /sbin/initctl
[21:41] <jca1981> ln -s /bin/true /sbin/initctl
[21:41] <jca1981> and it looks like it is working , yaaaay
[21:43] <jca1981> yes everything is upgraded now, but grub is not loading my system. is a update-grub enought?
[21:44] <IdleOne> should be
[21:45] <jca1981> wow, you guys are the best
[21:45] <IdleOne> heh
[21:45] <IdleOne> we didn't do anything
[21:45] <jca1981> where do i donate bear, hehe
[21:46] <IdleOne> !donate
[21:47] <jca1981> http://www.ubuntu.com/donations -> 404
[21:47] <IdleOne> yeah I got that also, old link
[21:47] <IdleOne> jca1981: just keep testing and reporting any bugs you find to launchpad
[21:48] <jfi> there is also http://shop.canonical.com/
[21:50] <jca1981> wen i run update-grub if finds the kernel on the rescue cd not on my chrooted install?
[21:51] <IdleOne> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate
[22:12] <asdf_baron> So in Maverick, my option for two-finger scrolling is greyed out.  Changing the value manually in gconf-editor will disable edge scrolling but two-finger scrolling still won't work!
[22:35] <jca1981> hey guys could you help me with getting my system run with grub on lvm system
[22:42] <jca1981> IdleOne, can you help me with Grub2 setup, Please
[22:42] <IdleOne> !grub2
[22:42] <IdleOne> that link should have everything you need to know
[22:44] <jca1981> IdleOne, have read lots of guides now, just cant get it to work, think its because i use LVm and my root device is named linux-root
[22:44] <jca1981> IdleOne, get kernel panic every time
[22:44] <IdleOne> jca1981: wish I knew how to help
[22:45] <IdleOne> jca1981: explain the issue here and sooner or later someone should be able to help
[22:45] <jca1981> IdleOne, you have already been a great help, i will try to ask others :)
[22:47] <Raydiation> will ubuntu ship python 2.7?
[22:49] <Daekdroom> Raydiation, it's not using it as default for now, and I don't know if it will, but it's avaiable
[22:49] <Raydiation> Daekdroom: in the repos?
[22:49] <Daekdroom> Raydiation, yeah
[22:49] <Daekdroom> Raydiation, python2.7 package
[22:50] <yofel> Daekdroom: it won't be the default, the test builds didn't go well so it was postponed for natty
[22:50] <yofel> !info python2.7
[22:50] <Daekdroom> yofel, I guess it doesn't have a choice to be conservative about it if it breaks the system, right?
[22:51] <yofel> not sure if it broke the system, but even building the packages with 2.7 didn't go well afaik
[22:51] <Raydiation> hm, any really big features in 2.7?
[22:52] <yofel> if you're out for new features use 3.1 :P
[22:52] <Daekdroom> !info python3.1
[22:52] <yofel> but no, I haven't kept track of python features for a while now :/
[22:52] <Raydiation> i will use 3.1 when django starts using it :)
[22:53] <Raydiation> btw, is your xserver reacting a bit slow too?
[22:53] <Raydiation> i got the nvidia driver installed
[22:53] <Raydiation> no smooth animations though
[22:53] <Daekdroom> My xserver is not reacting well when I open nautilus with ubuntu one integration..
[22:53] <Daekdroom> well, xserver is fine, but nautilus is painfully slow.
[22:54] <Raydiation> Daekdroom: do you run with compiz effects?
[22:54] <Daekdroom> No.
[22:54] <Raydiation> hm, brb
[22:54] <yofel> kwin compositing is fine here, not slower than usual, I had issues starting X after xserver 1.9 was uploaded but a reinstall of nvidia seems to have fixed that
[22:56] <Raydiation> ah ok, the xserver update which just came in fixed it :)
[22:57] <Raydiation> sound applet doesnt work too well
[22:57] <Raydiation> i cant change volume with scrolling
[22:58] <Raydiation> btw is there a way to get the old mixer applet back
[22:58] <Raydiation> i dont like this combination of the indicator applet
[22:58] <Raydiation> its causing my sound to lag when i change the volume
[23:30] <voidmage> !info nvidia-current maverick
[23:30] <voidmage> weird that it wasn't working in a /msg
[23:32] <yofel> voidmage: works fine in a query here
[23:32] <voidmage> oh
[23:32] <voidmage> i left off the info
[23:32] <yofel> BUGabundo: hey :)
[23:32] <voidmage> any chance of it getting updated to 256.52 for maverick?
[23:33] <yofel> voidmage: being worked on, but as we're in beta freeze right now it'll take a few days
[23:33] <voidmage> awesome, 256.44 gives my graphics card the hard locks on lucid
[23:33] <yofel> voidmage: you can get it from the x-updates ppa in the meanwhile
[23:34] <BUGabundo> yofel: hey my friend
[23:34] <BUGabundo> what's up?
[23:34] <Machtin> any chance my frequent freezes will be gone for the final release?
[23:34] <yofel> BUGabundo: fighting with the kubuntu installer, it doesn't let me use the live session :(
[23:35] <Machtin> (of which i have no idea why and when they occur)
[23:35] <voidmage> Machtin: what graphics card do you have?
[23:35] <Machtin> nvidia gtx 260, iirc.
[23:35] <yofel> Machtin: that's pure luck then if they vanish, and is it a hard lock or can you still kill X with sysrq+k ?
[23:36] <Machtin> yep.
[23:36] <Machtin> yofel: can't.
[23:36] <Machtin> but the mouse still moves.
[23:36] <yofel> I am getting X freezes too sometimes with nvidia, but killing X works
[23:36] <yofel> Machtin: ok, then we have the same issue I think
[23:36] <Machtin> and music keeps playing.
[23:36] <yofel> try to kill x with sysrq+k (alt+print+k usually) next time it happens
[23:37] <Machtin> though i think just the one track that's playing
[23:37] <Machtin> yofel: i did.. never worked.. only thing that happens is that my mouse stops working totally.
[23:37] <yofel> odd, here X freezes too and mouse still works, but sysrq+k at least kills it
[23:38] <Raydiation> Machtin: realized the same thing today
[23:38] <Raydiation> Machtin: i got a 275gtx
[23:38] <voidmage> are you running the 256.44 drivers?
[23:38] <Machtin> but i think i have some x-relaunching problems anyway.. couple of hours ago i for some reason did try to restart kdm, just froze and i had to hard reset.
[23:38] <Raydiation> Machtin: there are updates
[23:38] <yofel> NVS 3100M here, my 250gts system is still running lucid
[23:38] <Raydiation> for x
[23:39] <voidmage> gt240 on lucid, 256.44 gave me x freezes, downgraded to 256.35, 256.52 supposedly fixes the freezing problem
[23:39] <Machtin> Raydiation: no new packages if i do a safe-upgrade
[23:39] <voidmage> yofel mentioned the x-updates ppa above, you could try that
[23:39] <Machtin> voidmage: no clue which version.
[23:39] <Machtin> well, should be out for beta release i guess
[23:39] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[23:39] <Machtin> i can wait that long i guess
[23:40] <Machtin> still wondering why my x-restart won't work.
[23:40] <yofel> Raydiation: the xserver-xorg ubuntu2 updates only fixed packaging issues, nothing concerning functionality
[23:41] <Raydiation> yofel: hm :(
[23:41] <Raydiation> k ty
[23:41] <Raydiation> i had that freeze with nouveau though
[23:41] <Raydiation> currently running nvidia, no freezes yet
[23:41] <Machtin> lol, not even sure which driver i installed.
[23:42] <yofel> only thing nouveau have me was a black screen after a few hours so I'm back on nvidia :/
[23:42] <voidmage> Machtin: it should mention the driver version in xorg.log
[23:44] <Machtin> [    42.349] (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[23:44] <Machtin> [    42.349]    compiled for 1.8.99.905, module version = 0.0.16
[23:44] <Machtin> is that it?
[23:44] <voidmage> yeah that's it
[23:45] <Machtin> so, i'm using nouveau instead of nvidia. That's a good thing?
[23:49] <voidmage> hmm
[23:49] <voidmage> can you pastebin the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:49] <voidmage> ?
[23:53] <Machtin> http://pastebin.com/geV8042f
[23:54] <voidmage> okay weird, i'm not sure why it's using nouveau