[00:18] nite [00:20] how do i use patch [00:22] mininessie: cd into the directory you are going to patch and then patch -p0 < thepatchfile where the 0 might need changing to strip off bits of path [00:24] penguin42, well bash: patch: No such file or directory [00:25] mininessie: Well you need to install patch just like any other program; however if you don't realise that then I guess you aren't familiar with building code and debugging stuff so go back a step and what are you trying to do? [00:25] penguin42, i installed it [00:26] penguin42, should i move the patch file to the directory first [00:26] mininessie: You shouldn't need to, just modify the path as appropriate [00:27] penguin42, than why does it not work [00:27] type which patch [00:27] /usr/bin/patch [00:28] ok, so what exactly are you typing when it gave you the no such file or directory ? [00:29] todd@todd:~/hybrid_wl$ patch -p0 < patch [00:29] and where is the file called patch ? [00:29] penguin42, patch came with the instructions on how to patch broadcom sta [00:30] and where is the file called patch ? [00:31] tmp [00:31] its in tmp [00:31] ok, so patch -p0 < /tmp/patch [00:31] bash: /tmp/patch: No such file or directory [00:32] you said the file was in /tmp ? [00:32] penguin42, the zip file it came in was in tmp [00:33] mininessie: patch doesn't know anything about zip files it was in or anything like that [00:33] mininessie: it needs to know where the patch file is [00:33] penguin42, so i should take the patch file out of there [00:33] mininessie: patch just wants a text file [00:33] penguin42, so yes [00:34] patching file src/include/linuxver.h [00:35] so did i do it right [00:36] does it say succeeded or failed? [00:36] neither [00:37] hm, if it finished it should be fine I guess [00:38] yofel, i won't know until 10.10 get done its about done downloading gotta install hope nothing happens in the install process [00:39] good luck, the kubuntu installer failed me 2 days ago, hope it doesn't happen in gnome [00:40] yofel, yep [00:41] well, the installer failed at the end and the system seems to work fine, but the installer just vanishing isn't very good ^^ [00:52] yofel: Mind you, as far as I can tell the standard lucid installer normally fails at the end with a stream of cdrom errors [00:52] * penguin42 has had that on at least 3 or 4 machines [00:53] mine was killed by oom-killer thanks to >100 instances of plugininstall.py [01:36] What is the best tool for music/management? [02:15] FFForever, whichever one of the thousands available that tickles your funny bone [02:15] none of them are perfect [02:16] there's banshee, listen, rhythmbox, exaile, amarok and about a thousand more [02:34] does 10.10 really report sizes (files drives etc) in decimal? [02:55] After a recent Maverick update, too many right clicks in a row are generated [02:55] any ideas? [02:56] when I right click, the first item of the context menu is then selected [02:58] lucidfox: Can you reproduce it with another mouse? It may be the debouncing that's broken (i.e. your hardware is actually sending two clicks, but software shoudld be working around that). [02:58] Jordan_U> it worked fine until very recently [03:15] hello all, stuck at a kernel panic similar to the one in Bug #615914 tips? [03:15] Launchpad bug 615914 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615914 [03:18] tried a live USB but seems like it doesn't like my video card :( [03:23] on recovery I get udevtrigger 409 terminated with status 1 [03:24] is it borked beyond recover? [03:25] do you run windows on there also ? [03:26] guess you could try to point root= in your grub line or repair grub/mbr see if that helps === Bridge| is now known as Bridge|A [03:31] Dink, no win32 here [03:31] my laptop was full ubuntu by now :( [03:32] Dink: got a link to a how-to? [03:34] alex_mayorga, first try editing grub with root=/dev/blah, blah being root partition. If that don't work try repairing/rebuilding grub. There are many tutorials. You will need a live cd, chroot etc etc [03:34] Dink: guess first I'll need a live CD that does live on my laptop [03:34] This might not be the correct fix but it would be my first attempt to try to solve the issue. Or even try a previous kernel. [03:35] is nvidia broken on liveCD of maverick [03:35] no clue [03:35] I know X and nvidia haven't been playing nice recently [03:36] Hold shift I think it is now when it boots, hit e for edit and try root=/dev/sda1 or whatever then try to boot. [03:38] Again I am no expert. Just what I would try to do. [03:38] the start of my maverick jurney certainly started bumpy :( [03:38] Well it is alpha ;) [03:40] my other problems seems like some form of Bug #433943 [03:40] Launchpad bug 433943 in udev (Ubuntu) "kernel boot broken: init: udevtrigger mainprocess (1283) terminated with status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433943 [03:41] Dink: so replace UUID for /dev/sd? [03:41] That would be my first attempt yeah. [03:42] I could be completely off in the solution. [03:43] no amd64 liveCDs?? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [03:44] This a fresh install or upgrade ? [03:45] I don't think there are smd64 daily [03:45] amd* [03:45] I tried to upgrade form a fully updated 10.04 [03:46] A new kernel just came out recently [03:46] linux-image-2.6.35-19 [03:46] I haven't rebooted yet to try it ;) [03:46] You got me scared now. LOL [03:47] Dink: sorry, didn't mean to :) [03:47] no luck on the root= ? [03:48] there's no sd nor hd under /dev [03:48] huh === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [03:49] it's really weird [03:49] Did you edit through the grub menu right when you boot ? [03:50] Not sure what you are doing. [03:51] Dink: yes, I'm tryin to use TAB there to autocomplete [03:51] There is no autocomplete there [03:51] you have to type it in manually [03:53] Dink: thanks on all the help and patience :D [03:53] I am actually about to head to bed soon [03:53] tried an older kernel from the list, boots of sorts, but the mouse is non responsive and the icons in gdm show a red X [03:54] Ahh you have nvidia huh. Yeah sorry man I am clueless there. Try the link in topic or forum. [03:54] I guess I'll try to rescue my data with a lucid liveCD and forget about maverick for now [03:55] Yeah probably best especially if you using nvidia [03:55] !topic [03:55] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [03:56] Im off. Good luck !! [03:58] Dink: bye and thanks [04:06] i upgraded from 10.04 to ubuntu 10.10 and haven't rebooted yet should i reboot and have it fail if it does or not and stay on as i know it work [04:18] mininessie: video card? [04:18] I for one got bitten badly by the meerkat so I'd say stick to what works [04:19] but maybe it's all user error and my own fault [04:19] anyhow, sleepy time here [04:19] mininessie: good luck [04:44] i can't update 10.10 [04:45] or at least refresh and update update manager [04:46] how do i know if i am actually search for updates with 10.10 [04:49] i need some help [04:52] mininessie, what do you need help with? [04:53] bbordwell, todd@todd:~$ sudo aptitude upgrade [04:53] No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. [04:53] 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [04:53] Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. [04:53] bbordwell, and how do i know if it is actually search repos or whatever it search to update [04:53] mininessie, have you updated your sources yet? 'sudo apt-get update' [04:53] bbordwell, yes [04:54] well when you run apt-get update that is when it searches the repos for updates, so if it is downloading files when you run update then it is searching [04:56] bbordwell, how do i know if i have repos that it is searching [04:57] mininessie, when you run apt-get update it will print out all of the sources it is checking, like this: Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe Sources [04:57] Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com lucid/universe Packages [04:58] bbordwell, well when i update using update manager gui it shows like downloading 1b [05:01] mininessie, well if you have updated recently it does not download anything new it just registers a hit, try again in a few hours and if it is still 1b then something is wrong [05:18] why is 10.10 download so slow [05:26] hey anyone know how to refresh the cd driver? i somehow have an unresponsive cd writer right now.. [05:27] um i'm having a problem Failed to download repository information [05:27] Check your Internet connection. when running the update manager gui [05:31] dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 2.6.36-020636rc2-generic [05:31] * nvidia-current (256.44)... [05:32] [fail] - anybody built nvidia against this kernel ? [05:35] Volkodav, no god why don't you just run arch [05:36] because of regression with .35 on btrfs [05:37] Volkodav, at least .35 works for i am running 10.10 on kernel .32 [05:37] what fs ? [05:38] idk [05:38] ? [05:38] ? [05:38] I asked what file system do you run on your .32 ? [05:38] I keep getting null-pointer dereference on btrfs. [05:39] Volkodav, ext4 [05:39] that's why you do not care/not affected [05:40] Volkodav, who me [05:40] yes [05:40] i am confused [05:40] anyone know the command to refresh the cd/cd driver? [05:41] I said I do not run arch because I want .36 kernel because there is regression on btrfs on .35 kernel [05:41] Volkodav, okay whatever [05:41] whatever is clever [05:48] @tremolux boston, eh? [05:48] bump - anyone know the commandline command to refresh the cd drive? === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:25] Hello Maverick :) [06:26] Okay , i tried to install maverick from a usb flash .. that didn't work , then burned the iso to a DVD-R .. i noticed no GUI with the Live-CD [06:26] Am i missing something ! [06:27] Maverick alpha 3 of course [06:47] always my cpu is heating with flash player is it normal? [06:53] Andre_Gondim: Flash uses a lot of CPU; yes. [06:55] jpds, how can i install maverick alpha 3 m in 'The right way .. [06:58] S4ry: Download the inso from http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/maverick/alpha-3/ and burn it to a device medium? [06:59] S4ry: If you want a GUI on install, then you probably want maverick-desktop-i386.iso. [07:00] Yeah , i tried that with maverick-desktop-i386.iso .. still the GUI is missing [07:00] Hmm, odd. [07:00] i even burned it to a usb flash .. didn't even boot [07:01] i used startup disk creator .. [07:01] Lemme check it again [07:01] thanks jpds [07:02] No worries. [07:04] !info nvidia-current maverick [07:04] nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 256.44-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 23694 kB, installed size 70788 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) [07:05] !info xorg-server maverick [07:05] Package xorg-server does not exist in maverick [07:05] !info xserver-xorg maverick [07:05] xserver-xorg (source: xorg): the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.5+6ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 19 kB, installed size 180 kB [07:10] Again , didn't boot from the usb flash [07:10] very odd , i 've always boot ubuntu from the flash or the DVD [07:11] I installed the iso torrent .. if that count for something ! [07:15] when Beta 1 comes out, will the UI be (almost) identical to the GM? [08:57] [09:42] hi, I've been using maverick for a while now and it occasionally crashes to the busybox shell...up until now I've just rebooted and it's been fine, but I've rebooted maybe a dozen times and nothing's changed. I think this is the relevant portion of dmesg http://pastebin.com/9YrzXrMx [10:50] hi any known issues with the live cd? [10:50] e.g. that it doesnt boot? [10:50] and which cd should i use to install? [10:52] alternate or desktop? [10:53] o/ [10:53] Heya [10:53] Araneidae: Ive 10.10 at home, its not too badly broken for me as of last night, but maybe someone broke it since [10:54] How unsafe is it to upgrade to 10.10? [10:54] Sargun: if you have a production system, dont. [10:54] Sargun: most things work, but may break at any time. [10:54] jussi, Isn't that true of most things? [10:55] hehe [10:55] * Raydiation has a production system and wants to install alpha3 [10:55] i wont update til alpha4 [10:55] * Sargun wants BTRfs [10:56] and TRIM [10:56] I'm getting an SSD on tuesday, and I might install alpha3, but have /boot and / separated (Ext4 for boot), and btrfs for / [10:56] with TRIM === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [10:57] From what I understand, it's fairly safe... [10:58] Sargun: dont use btrfs [10:58] Raydiation, why not? [10:58] ive heard the opposite from a known linux magazine [10:58] heard the opposite of? [10:58] lots of people complaining that they cant mount btrfs after some time [10:59] you have to be conservative with the filesystem [10:59] whoa [10:59] just wait until it gets stable, then wait another 6 months [11:00] Raydiation, ugh, I hate waiting [11:00] if youve already got an ssd, the performance boost of btrfs wont be as great as the transition form hd to ssd [11:00] got an ssd too [11:01] Sargun: i used ext4 when it was marked as stable -> i had to reinstall and lost my data in /home [11:01] so unless you can say: data loss is no problem for me [11:01] dont try anything else than ext4 and ext3 [11:02] I don't want to nuke my SSD [11:02] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147064 < Brand, spankin new. [11:02] I've already been through 2 hdds [11:03] thats an expensive one [11:03] ... [11:03] with brtfs, unless your using the systems for multi-thousand hit requests, to massive database query's, the average user will not see any significant improvement. [11:03] Sargun: i got this one http://geizhals.at/a444063.html [11:05] And sure, Benchmarks, that really stress test a FS, will show some improvements, but reproducing those environments in real world situations is pretty tough to do. [11:05] KE1HA, Okay, reasons I want BTRFS + SSD: I want my SSD to last longer, I want to be able to take snapshots without booting into a init 1 env, I don't want my drive to die from the vibrations I've been putting it through (that's more SSD than HDD). [11:06] I might use LVM instead [11:06] but the performance loss from LVM is insane [11:07] Raydiation, that's a decent drive [11:08] Sargun: Me personally, I don't use LVM for any critical data storage, but certainly SSD speeds fer things like snapshot will be very snappy. [11:10] We use LVM for a bunch of stuff at work [11:11] Sargun: Here's a pretty descent comparison of EXT4 & BTRFS from Phronix: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux2635_btrfs&num=1 [11:12] jussi, thanks. I'll wait though ;) [11:13] KE1HA, I'd love if they compared LVM [11:15] Sargun: agreed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ditching on LVM, it's has its uses, but fer critical data storage and service, it's tough to beat a HW RAID system, SCSI, SAN, SATA in whatever flavor. [11:15] Sargun: performance loss from using LVM? why? I haven't seen that. [11:16] SwedeMike, from #ix? [11:16] Sargun: yes. [11:16] SwedeMike, I don't know why there is a performance loss..I just know there is one [11:17] KE1HA, yes, because I can put a hardware raid controller in my laptop...and use FibreChannel and SCSI [11:17] Sargun: read or write? [11:17] SwedeMike, combo of both simultaneously. [11:17] KE1HA: as long as you avoid 3ware hw-raid, because write performance is abysmal. [11:17] SwedeMike, We use mostly adaptec gear, it works. [11:18] Sargun: on what underlying media? md or some SAN or something? [11:18] RAID0 of a bunch of disks. [11:18] I think 8. [11:18] 7200 RPM, nothing fancy [11:18] software MD [11:18] we performance tested each disk [11:18] we performance tested the md [11:19] we performance tested the LVM volume [11:19] The MD beat all of them, and LVM was hurt significantly [11:19] The last big array I worked with was InfiniBand, it was insanely fast. Only thing that beat it was out cluster guys and their raw-write persl scripts, no FS at all. Still dont understand all that yet. [11:20] our* [11:20] Sargun: did you test lvm on top of md? [11:21] SwedeMike, yeah, that's what it was. [11:21] KE1HA, again, I can't have a SAN in my laptop. [11:22] KE1HA, We have a distributed cluster store that goes over 2 GigE (2 * 1 GigE (802.3ad)), and it works for me :-P [11:22] for most object fetches, we can saturate the 10GigE uplinks of the cluster. [11:22] and considering it was dirt cheap (<$100k) to build, I'm happy. [11:23] Indeed, that level of HW is big bucks. You have 2x SSD bays in your laptop ? [11:25] Yes, but the second one is used for a CD-ROM Drive. [11:25] ATM [11:25] KE1HA, RAID1 + LVM? [11:26] I might do the install on my SSD with LVM [11:26] because it's not super hard to convert from LVM to non-LVM, just timeconsuming [11:26] Well, I'll probably just do with the RAID if possible, unless you really need the expansion capability from LVM, I dont know, LVM is still a bit quirky fer me. [11:27] KE1HA, when did you last lose data with lvm? [11:27] I just split a 4TB array this week on my second workstation, had to many issues with big binary files. [11:28] So, now it's 2x2 but, it's solid. [11:28] how was it implemented [11:28] LSI card. [11:29] Sargun: and you got less than half the performance? [11:29] SwedeMike, at times [11:30] I just stuck 2x fer data and 2 fer a backup [11:30] * Sargun has only had a few really bad issues with raid - 3ware, and nvraid [11:32] When's the Maverick AMD64 ISO's gonna roll out? I heard tomorrow, is that still on track [11:35] where can I find the maverick daily x64 alternative iso ? [11:35] Oddly enough, NCommander jsut sent a note in the release channel about patching a bug that was preventing the AMD64's from building. [11:36] its not in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [11:36] ok [11:36] The 64's have been down for the last 3 to 4 days or so. [11:36] which is the release channel ? [11:37] ubuntu-release [11:37] taa [11:37] B3 testing is due to kick off tomorrow, or the next day, so should be sorted by then I'd imaging. [11:37] imagine* [11:37] I'd hope so :) [11:42] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/maverick/daily-20100830.log bwarfs at [11:42] /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/debian-cd/tools/boot/maverick/boot-amd64: line 113: mkfs.msdos: command not found [11:42] as do all other amd64 isos it seems [13:04] maverick is a current snapshot of debian sid right? [13:07] not really. we get packages from sid but even that is done with for this release [13:19] ok, that took some figuring out - this laptop (which is always plugged in) I came back to find it hibernated [13:20] it had auto hibernated because I'd actually forgotten to switch it on at the wall [13:46] hello, I followed this guide to compile maverick kernel on lucid: http://blog.avirtualhome.com/2010/05/05/how-to-compile-a-ubuntu-lucid-kernel/ . but doing debian/rules editconfigs doesn't seem to save my changes [13:50] are there instructions for building the maverick kernel found on launchpad ? [13:50] After 10.10, what version will there be? 11.04? [13:51] flupke_: not likely [13:51] Sargun: yes [13:51] flupke_: you should find a later kernel than what you are using in the backports repo [13:51] not sure however what version it is [13:53] gnomefreak, yes I already have 2.6.35 from the same PPA, but I need to compile it to enable vga_switcheroo [13:54] flupke_: kernel compiling is not as nice to people as they expect. before compiling i suggest reading up on compiling kernels [13:54] flupke_: we are not the place to ask about compiling apps. you may be best off trying #linux [13:55] gnomefreak, I know how to compile a kernel, that's the ubuntu way of compiling a kernel I'm asking about. [13:55] flupke_: the difference being? [13:56] you mean packaged / make install ? [13:56] gnomefreak, you use debian/ folder scripts to do so [13:57] flupke_: you should be able to patch the kernel and run 'debuild' in the package directory to build it, but the kernel packaging is quite complicated so I can't guarantee it will work like that [13:58] yofel, indeed, you don't use debuild to build it, but the debian/rules script [13:58] add the option as a patch or try addding it to /rules [13:58] flupke_: debuild uses the debian/rules script, or rather it runs dpkg-buildpackage which uses debian/rules [13:59] there is a kpackage IIRC that will build it for you [13:59] I made it create the .deb files, but the resulting kernel seems to have the same options as the default one [13:59] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile is a good page for the mechanics of building kernel debs [13:59] * gnomefreak perfers patching for something like this [14:00] and when I look at debian.maverick/config/i386/config.flavour.myflavour, I don't see the flags I added with debian/rules editconfigs (although it did mentioned this config file) [14:01] penguin42, that's the guide found on this page I followed (the link for maverick kernel on lucid) [14:02] flupke_: Did you change the config in debian/config/whatever or in debian.master/config/whatever ? [14:02] penguin42, in debian.maverick/ [14:03] flupke_: Are you sure you mean debian.maverick not debian.master ? [14:03] penguin42, yes [14:03] flupke_: Odd, I only have the debian and debian.master - I suggest you try changing it in the debian.master [14:03] * penguin42 has only used those instructions for adding patches not changing config [14:04] please move this topic to another channel. we do not recommend compiling packages in here and definantly dont not support kernel compiling [14:05] flupke_: The #ubuntu-packaging or #ubuntu-kernel channels can be quite helpful for this type of stuff [14:05] gnomefreak, penguin42, ok, thanks for your help anyway [14:05] i wouldnt use -kenrle or suggest it for support as it is not a support channel [14:06] -kernel even [14:07] is the X issue resolved? [14:09] mortal: what card do you have? [14:11] ati still has issues and so does nvidia [14:12] nvidia has a workaround implemented if you install it with jockey and will be properly fixed soon [14:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/616023 [14:12] Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Maverick) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Triaged] [14:12] yofel: yeah i know but it doesnt work for everyone [14:13] yofel: intel [14:13] it doesn't work for people that don't use jockey and don't have the x-updates ppa enabled, if you're using either one it works [14:13] dg45fc [14:14] intel should work, my 945GME in my eeePC has rendering issues though with kwin compositing enabled [14:16] intel has very little problems [14:16] * gnomefreak off [14:20] good, now upgrading [14:21] I can live with occasional brokenness and I like to report bugs [14:21] and it is nice to see the distribution maturing [14:21] does anyone run with all updates? [14:21] since alpha3 [14:27] Raydiation: most of us do [14:29] yofel: with dist-upgrade too? any problems with nouveau? [14:30] Raydiation: I don't use nouveau, it had to many issues for me [14:30] intel is good [14:30] but the package installs fine [14:32] haha, x just crashed [14:32] so you recommend a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? [14:33] well, not if you're upgrading from lucid, but if you're running maverick that's the default way to install updates from the command line [14:33] have just updated my ubuntu 10.10 installation and now the mouse pointer isn't visible, yet the touch pad is working - anyone else here got this problem? [14:33] im running maverick [14:34] Raydiation1: then either use update-manager or run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' to make sure you have all updates installed [14:59] hi, are the packages still being updated for beta at the moment? [15:00] kroson: hm isnt alpha4 coming before beta? [15:01] Raydiation1: well, no [15:01] xD [15:04] will maverick ship ff 4.0? [15:04] doesn't look like, it's too late [15:05] Raydiation1: well youll be able to get it when its released easily [15:05] penguin42: do you know if they still update packages for the beta release? [15:05] didnt canonical say they will update it because of mozilla security policy [15:06] kroson: what do you mean with update? [15:06] only bugfixes iirc [15:06] Raydiation1: Oh, not sure - I guess it's possible; but I haven't followed that [15:06] Raydiation1: like ubiquity, for example [15:06] is the new theme already integrated with the dailys? [15:06] kroson: thats the installer right? [15:06] yes [15:07] i dont know, there will be updates for sure and the installer is normally something they work on for a lot longer [15:07] im quite sure there will be more changes [15:07] kroson: im just updating ill tell you [15:08] @theme [15:08] Raydiation1: ok :) [15:08] isnt there a way to use fglrx at the moment? [15:08] kroson: imho open source driver > fglrx [15:09] causes less problems [15:09] Raydiation1: do you have power management? [15:09] ill stick to nouveau too until the beta is released [15:09] kroson: for the gpu? [15:09] yes [15:10] hm, dunno but it works quite well in my laptop [15:10] i can reduce screen brightness too [15:11] Raydiation1: thats normal, i was thinking about the reduce of fan noise and heat... [15:12] kroson: not sure, but i dont have problems with that [15:13] ok, thank you :) [15:13] but you really dont know if theres a way to install fglrx? [15:13] if i were you i wouldnt do it [15:14] theyre upgrading the xserver and ati is slow on updating their drivers [15:14] plus i only had problems with fglrx [15:14] you can always try to install it manually [15:15] but i dont think it will work [15:32] Raydiation: the update policy you are refering to doesnt apply to 3.6 -> * 3.6 will run its course. IIRC we decided not to ship 4.0 in Maverick but im waiting on an answer to make sure [15:32] tb3.1 or ff4.0 will not make it and im waiting on what one it is [15:32] gnomefreak: ah k thx [15:33] np [15:38] gnomefreak: thunderbird 3.1 is already in maverick [15:38] !info thunderbird [15:38] thunderbird (source: thunderbird): mail/news client with RSS and integrated spam filter support. In component main, is optional. Version 3.1.2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 10776 kB, installed size 29788 kB [15:38] thank it is 4.0 that will not end up in Maverick [15:38] right, that's still beta [15:39] s/thank/thanks than [15:39]