[21:01] <`marianne`> hiya
[21:01] <Pendulum> heya
[21:01] <AlanBell> boo
[21:02] <`marianne`> my disabilities don't actually tend to require accessibility software, i hope that doesn't stop me being welcome in here? hehe
[21:02] <AlanBell> everyone is welcome
[21:02] <`marianne`> that wasn't an entirely serious comment but yay :)
[21:02] <maco> there's some temporarily able-bodied people here too :) 
[21:03] <AlanBell> TheMuso: webczat was asking last night about using gui admin tools with orca, anything run with sudo and it all goes silent. I found a blueprint relating to it, is there any progress you know of, and does it work in vinux?
[21:03] <Pendulum> `marianne`: I only use accessibility software rarely (well, less than i should), but everyone's welcome :)
[21:03] <`marianne`> i'm hoping that my anxiety causes a large portion of the tiredness problems i have, that'll make me more capable of doing the things i'd like to when they get my meds right :)
[21:04]  * Pendulum was given one of those non-lecture lectures by a doc today about typing too much
[21:04] <`marianne`> i did actually have problems finding a screen magnifier i liked in ubuntu
[21:04] <Pendulum> `marianne`: good luck with that :)
[21:04] <`marianne`> Pendulum, switch to dvorak, problem solved? :P
[21:04] <maco> Pendulum: you need a touch interface with swiping, like that one iphone app?
[21:04] <AlanBell> swype!
[21:05] <`marianne`> i have actually found i get a lot less pain from typing after i switched to dvorak, even if the speed increases weren't significant
[21:05] <maco> thats the android version right?
[21:05] <Pendulum> `marianne`: the problem isn't location of keys, it's kinda complicated
[21:05] <maco> i wasnt sure if that was a swipey keyboard or the swipey unlock's name, so i didnt say it :P
[21:05] <AlanBell> maco: yes, I don't have an iPhone
[21:05] <Pendulum> no, I need dasher to work and to have the patience to use it
[21:06] <maco> dasher's the speech to text?
[21:06] <`marianne`> Pendulum, sorry if my suggestion couldn't help though... although the less-pain-from-typing thing really was significant for me
[21:06] <`marianne`> ...then, rather than though
[21:06] <Pendulum> `marianne`: it's cool :) I've just got really complicated issues and I don't expect most people to understand (and you definitely recommended what most people would)
[21:07] <Pendulum> Dasher is the altnate input using mouse that isn't an on-screen keyboard
[21:07] <AlanBell> maco: dasher is a novel type of on screen keyboard, letters fly in from the side and you point at them, the size of the letters varies probabalistically
[21:07] <AlanBell> and it crashes
[21:07] <`marianne`> complicated issues, so much "fun" (speaking as someone who's issues are kinda complicated too)
[21:07] <maco> O_O
[21:07] <maco> this sounds like a fun program, if it worked
[21:07] <Pendulum> maco: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/
[21:07] <`marianne`> Pendulum, so what kind of typing interface works best for you?
[21:08] <AlanBell> maco: I got it to crash when running under gdb, I know what line number it segfaults on, I have no clue how to fix the damn thing
[21:08] <maco> AlanBell: what languge?
[21:08] <AlanBell> C
[21:08] <Pendulum> `marianne`: one that isn't typing. I have a condition called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome so all my joints are hypermobile. This includes my hands
[21:08] <maco> is there a bug report in lp? subscribe me to it and put the file and line number
[21:09] <Pendulum> `marianne`: so when I press on keys, the joints in my fingers bend backwards
[21:09] <`marianne`> dasher looks really quite cool
[21:09] <`marianne`> eep
[21:09] <`marianne`> is it painful?
[21:09] <Pendulum> so that's why I probably shouldn't be typing :-/
[21:09] <Pendulum> eventually, yes
[21:10] <Pendulum> but not in the same way as RSIs like carpal tunnel are
[21:11] <`marianne`> i hope they're able to find better ways of treating it, then
[21:11] <Pendulum> meh, pain meds and probably bracing
[21:12] <AlanBell> maco: subscribed you, just need to fire up a different laptop to get the line number and update the bug
[21:12] <`marianne`> with all sorts of cloning techniques going on for all sorts, the next few decades are a time to be hopeful? :)
[21:12] <maco> AlanBell: k thanks
[21:12] <Pendulum> `marianne`: tbh, there's a lot about EDS that I don't care if I get rid of or keep. And it'd be really complicated for them to "fix" since they haven't located all the genes which cause it yet
[21:13] <Pendulum> `marianne`: I'm mostly unconcerned. I'm happy to find management techniques and get on with stuff
[21:13] <`marianne`> ok :)
[21:13] <`marianne`> it doesn't sound that fun though
[21:14] <Pendulum> meh. i can do freaky bendy things. that can be amusing
[21:14] <Pendulum> even if I'm not supposed to do them
[21:15] <maco> doing freaky bendy things is fun
[21:15] <maco> people's faces!
[21:15] <Pendulum> exactly!
[21:15] <maco> (i bend in all the directions that arent considered flexible and none of the ones that are useful for gymnastics)
[21:15] <Pendulum> maco: sounds like me
[21:15] <`marianne`> see i'd just hide behind my hands from freaky bendy things
[21:16] <`marianne`> if people do things like that it just...
[21:16]  * maco cant touch toes
[21:16] <`marianne`> well, makes me hide hehe
[21:16] <Pendulum> maco: ah, okay. I can touch toes, but most of my other stuff is "odd"
[21:16] <`marianne`> i just saw... well... i'm not sure whether i just saw a freakishly huge moth or a small nocturnal hummingbird...
[21:16] <maco> Pendulum: put your foot over your hip?
[21:16] <Pendulum> maco: that's not normal?
[21:16] <maco> :)
[21:16] <`marianne`> but i'm pretty sure there's no hummingbirds in england
[21:17] <maco> i used to hook mine under my ribs when i was a kid
[21:17] <`marianne`> in the wild at least
[21:17] <maco> then i stopped being dangerously underweight
[21:17] <Pendulum> not being dangerously underweight is good
[21:18] <`marianne`> with my height i'm supposed to be a minimum of 12 stone, i've been under 7 before... that was scary
[21:19] <`marianne`> and then i stopped being vegan
[21:19] <maco> oh yeah...that seems like the wrong way to do vegan
[21:19] <`marianne`> vegan diet is not easy to maintain when you don't have the energy to prepare meals
[21:20] <maco> yeah...i could see that
[21:20] <`marianne`> there's not exactly wide availability of vegan ready meals
[21:20] <maco> depends where you are i guess
[21:20] <AlanBell> maco: line 686 of Src/DasherCore/DasherModel.cpp
[21:21] <AlanBell> and sometimes at a few other places where oldnote->Parent() pops up
[21:21] <maco> though being lactose intolerant i can get by with things that are lactose-free but have casein, while that knocks out a bunch of Amy's stuff for vegans
[21:21] <`marianne`> maco, probably true
[21:22] <AlanBell> it only happens in direct mode, from the command line "dasher -a direct" which puts it in useful on-screen keyboard mode
[21:22] <maco> my last flatmate was allergic to casein and eggs
[21:22] <maco> AlanBell: ok
[21:22] <maco> i dont think i ever saw him cook
[21:22] <AlanBell> works OK for a minute or so, then your keyboard segfaults :-(
[21:22] <maco> he ate out a /lot/ though... i couldnt keep up
[21:23] <`marianne`> i do want to cook more
[21:23] <`marianne`> i enjoy it, and i make a lasagne of awesomeness
[21:24] <`marianne`> much better than the ready meal lasagne i'm about to eat
[21:24] <maco> i go for the "make a big batch then use the microwave for a week" method of feeding myself
[21:24] <`marianne`> well, my lasagne tends to be enough for three days, but the problem is it's so good i often eat two days worth after i cook it
[21:24] <maco> hehe i know what ya mean
[21:25]  * AlanBell likes lasagne
[21:25] <`marianne`> and i don't currently have a working freezer
[21:25] <maco> oh yeah...that sucks
[21:25] <maco> alright i have to leave work now
[21:25] <maco> laters
[21:25] <`marianne`> take care maco
[21:26] <AlanBell> `marianne`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam <- links to all the UK stuff
[21:30] <`marianne`> ty :)
[23:05] <`marianne`>  at first i was mildly annoyed that the wine glasses i bought were plastic, but with disability induced clumsiness, it's turned out to be a great thing
[23:07] <Pendulum> heh
[23:07] <`marianne`> they'd be broken many times over, otherwise
[23:07] <`marianne`> just glad i've never knocked a full one over
[23:16] <`marianne`> do pci wireless/bluetooth cards tend to have the necessary drivers under ubuntu?
[23:19] <TheMuso> AlanBell: It should work in vinux, and if you use an accessibility profile when you install Ubuntu, i.e the braille or screen reader profiles, sudo and GUI admin tools work, as long as you don't use gksu.