[17:20] hi, if i want to get the new light-themes for maverick with the update radiance theme for lucid what's the best way to do this? add a deb-src for maverick, apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine light-themes, then debuild them? [17:20] or do i need to rebuild something else? [19:53] Hello, does anyone know which application was used to create the syslinux boot splash used as the first image on the LiveCD ? [19:54] I'd like to replicate that look for a deirvative and being quite a beginner in graphic manipulation it would help to at least know that I am not trying to do it using the wron g tools (gimp in this case) [20:08] vish: and yet another gnome-component becomes a bloat bucket. meh. I think I'll just uninstall mah gui ans return to the good ol days of monochromatic awesome. that or go xfce *shrugs, disillusioned by the general design stupidity* [20:09] :D [20:11] darkmatter: btw, what was that question you had asked about the logout dialogues? [20:11] vish: question, since I'm not running uby quite yet. does ubuntu still use the ghey all-in-one session dialog or is it using the proper gnome-session dialogs now? (separate logout/switch and shutdown). I'm making a list of too-do items for when I reinstall [20:11] hmm.. when did we have that^^ [20:11] the all-in-one session is from gnome.. [20:11] vish: ahh. was just wondering how uby currently handles them? [20:12] yeah , now logout , you get a prompt.. no all-in-one thingy ;) [20:13] darkmatter: we have 7options-to-quit-session-from-menu thing now '_ [20:13] vish. it was in the good lol days (few years ago, last time I had used uby). it handlked the dialog ala e (one row of buttons for logout/switch, then a row of faties under it for various power options) [20:14] yeah , that was default gnome behavior , that was dumped a few releases back. === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [20:17] vish:vish, it was the default "sand gnome" behaviour :P, and ahh ahh ahh. I'll prolly have to hack the behaviour a bit then (teh missus has crappy target accuracy sometimes, vision issue) to many targets = fail. guess I'll trey to drop em all and turn logout/shutdown to use the new dialogs (ya know, the ones gnomers stole from libssui? ;P) [20:18] dun wanna see her getting pissed at yet another desktop xD [20:30] vish: not that I'm bitching or anything mind you (it's not like you're the one responsible :P), but for things like that it really is best to keep the # of options presented (be it within a dialog or within a menu, for whatever purpose) to a minimum [20:31] nooooooo! more options , more kde! ;p [20:32] for the same general reason behind why a sidebar should have collapsible categories, because contrary to epic levels of gnomeyness, unnecessary scrolling and visual clutter are "labor intensive" :P [20:35] vish: nautilus new file conflict needs to die a painful death as well ;o [20:37] and it's not about options or a lack thereof, it's about sanely categorizing and grouping stuff so that you don't create information overload, which as we a;; know is one of the biggest fail points of current-generation software [20:38] shoving everything in the users face _at the same time_ [20:44] i'm really not sure why every item needs to move around just because i'v attached a new device... [20:54] vish: things like that as well. which I why I told them, repeatedly, that devices should be near the bottom of the list, not the freaking to. frequently used items go at the top so that they're predictable targets [20:57] that's also why the sidebar should collapse. so that you can work within a specific target group without scrolling. we can argue for it as efficiency or consistency. both apply [20:57] I man. this is the no-brainer bits [20:57] mean* [21:01] vish: I'm loving the maverick themes. the particular shade of orange for selections is a bit hash imo, but overall they're quite calming [21:04] yeah , the themes seem quite pleasant.. [21:05] the color harsh at times though.. [21:06] * darkmatter prefers radiance because the orange is less obnoxious on a light background