[17:20] <lontra> hi, if i want to get the new light-themes for maverick with the update radiance theme for lucid what's the best way to do this? add a deb-src for maverick, apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-murrine light-themes, then debuild them?
[17:20] <lontra> or do i need to rebuild something else?
[19:53] <janimo> Hello, does anyone know which application was used to create the syslinux boot splash used as the first image on the LiveCD ?
[19:54] <janimo> I'd like to replicate that look for a deirvative and being quite a beginner in graphic manipulation it would help to at least know that I am not trying to do it using the wron g tools (gimp in this case)
[20:08] <darkmatter> vish: and yet another gnome-component becomes a bloat bucket. meh. I think I'll just uninstall mah gui ans return to the good ol days of monochromatic awesome. that or go xfce *shrugs, disillusioned by the general design stupidity*
[20:09] <vish> :D
[20:11] <vish> darkmatter: btw, what was that question you had asked about the logout dialogues?
[20:11] <vish>  <darkmatter> vish: question, since I'm not running uby quite yet. does ubuntu still use the ghey all-in-one session dialog or is it using the proper gnome-session dialogs now? (separate logout/switch and shutdown). I'm  making a list of too-do items for when I reinstall
[20:11] <vish> hmm.. when did we have that^^
[20:11] <vish> the all-in-one session is from gnome..
[20:11] <darkmatter> vish: ahh. was just wondering how uby currently handles them?
[20:12] <vish> yeah , now logout , you get a prompt.. no all-in-one thingy ;)
[20:13] <vish> darkmatter: we have 7options-to-quit-session-from-menu thing now '_
[20:13] <darkmatter> vish. it was in the good lol days (few years ago, last time I had used uby). it handlked the dialog ala e (one row of buttons for logout/switch, then a row of faties under it for various power options)
[20:14] <vish> yeah , that was default gnome behavior , that was dumped a few releases back.
[20:17] <darkmatter> vish:vish, it was the default "sand gnome" behaviour :P, and ahh ahh ahh. I'll prolly have to hack the behaviour a bit then (teh missus has crappy target accuracy sometimes, vision issue) to many targets = fail. guess I'll trey to drop em all and turn logout/shutdown to use the new dialogs (ya know, the ones gnomers stole from libssui? ;P)
[20:18] <darkmatter> dun wanna see her getting pissed at yet another desktop xD
[20:30] <darkmatter> vish: not that I'm bitching or anything mind you (it's not like you're the one responsible :P), but for things like that it really is best to keep the # of options presented (be it within a dialog or within a menu, for whatever purpose) to a minimum
[20:31] <vish> nooooooo! more options , more kde! ;p
[20:32] <darkmatter> for the same general reason behind why a sidebar should have collapsible categories, because contrary to epic levels of gnomeyness, unnecessary scrolling and visual clutter are "labor intensive" :P
[20:35] <darkmatter> vish: nautilus new file conflict needs to die a painful death as well ;o
[20:37] <darkmatter> and it's not about options or a lack thereof, it's about sanely categorizing and grouping stuff so that you don't create information overload, which as we a;; know is one of the biggest fail points of current-generation software
[20:38] <darkmatter> shoving everything in the users face _at the same time_
[20:44] <vish> i'm really not sure why every item needs to move around just because i'v attached a new device...
[20:54] <darkmatter> vish: things like that as well. which I why I told them, repeatedly, that devices should be near the bottom of the list, not the freaking to. frequently used items go at the top so that they're predictable targets
[20:57] <darkmatter> that's also why the sidebar should collapse. so that you can work within a specific target group without scrolling. we can argue for it as efficiency or consistency. both apply
[20:57] <darkmatter> I man. this is the no-brainer bits
[20:57] <darkmatter> mean*
[21:01] <darkmatter> vish: I'm loving the maverick themes. the particular shade of orange for selections is a bit hash imo, but overall they're quite calming
[21:04] <vish> yeah , the themes seem quite pleasant..
[21:05] <vish> the color harsh at times though..
[21:06]  * darkmatter prefers radiance because the orange is less obnoxious on a light background