| yofel | another very patient reporter - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/625676 | 00:03 |
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| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 625676 in apt (Ubuntu) "Infinite loop in dpkg: Hang at 'Unpacking' (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] | 00:03 |
| yofel | *sigh* | 00:03 |
| jpds | yofel: Nice. | 00:06 |
| * penguin42 has some sympathy when you have a bug that's broken stuff for you and you're sitting there banging your head against the keyboard | 00:06 | |
| hggdh | yofel: are you going to answer? | 00:18 |
| * hggdh is curious | 00:18 | |
| yofel | not for now, I'm too tired to write anything that doesn't sound frustrated, maybe I'll remeber how to get debug info out of dpkg too until tomorrow | 00:19 |
| * hggdh has not much sympathy for someone that forcefully does something (bad), and then complains it is broken | 00:19 | |
| kermiac | vish: Yay! Thanks mate :) | 00:41 |
| hggdh | ah well. I answered the OP | 01:00 |
| * devildante is bored... do you have any bugs you would want to get fixed? | 02:02 | |
| kermiac | devildante: there's literally thousands of bugs out there mate... ever played 'eeny meeny'? :P | 02:07 |
| devildante | kermiac: programmer = lazy = can't find bugs on his own :p | 02:07 |
| persia | devildante, Any restrictions on that? I'd be happy to see 531155 get some sorting | 02:08 |
| kermiac | haha | 02:08 |
| devildante | bug 531155 | 02:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 531155 in gedit (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gedit schemas is not registered during live session (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 23)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531155 | 02:08 |
| devildante | hmm, working on an invalid bug must be cool :p | 02:08 |
| devildante | oh, it's gconf! | 02:09 |
| persia | "invalid" comes from some history of uncertainty about where the bug belongs (casper/gedit/gconf/etc.) | 02:09 |
| persia | bug #102664 is another suggestion, if that one seems messy. | 02:11 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 102664 in liferea (Ubuntu) "liferea does not preserve open tabs across sessions (heat: 2)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102664 | 02:11 |
| devildante | hmm, it seems the bug hasn't been updated since 2010-03-31, apart from a comment by pedro_ to ask if the issue is still present | 02:12 |
| devildante | bookmarking the first bug until someone responds, I guess :p | 02:12 |
| persia | Easy enough to verify that it's still present, really. | 02:12 |
| devildante | persia: don't have access to Live-CD, so I can't verify :( | 02:13 |
| persia | Hrm? What sort of access don't you have? | 02:13 |
| devildante | persia: I don't have a CD to burn the live-cd iso (I'm talking about bug 531155) | 02:14 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 531155 in gedit (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gedit schemas is not registered during live session (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 39)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531155 | 02:14 |
| micahg | devildante: just use virtualbox | 02:14 |
| persia | And/or usb-creator | 02:14 |
| devildante | micahg, persia: okay... I'll run testdrive | 02:15 |
| * persia has mostly tested that bug with kvm in the past, but got stuck | 02:15 | |
| devildante | looking in the second bug now | 02:15 |
| persia | devildante, Good luck, and thanks for asking :) | 02:15 |
| devildante | persia: you're welcome! | 02:15 |
| * devildante will log-out | 02:18 | |
| drew212 | vish: I sent my Mentee's the email, I'm just waiting on their reply =) | 02:19 |
| devildante | persia: can gnome applications save state on exit/logout? | 02:23 |
| persia | Some of them do, so I presume so. I believe they need to do so when sent a signal to close, so it's more about application start/finish than login/logout | 02:34 |
| stlsaint | drew212: ping | 03:03 |
| drew212 | hey buddy whats up? | 03:03 |
| stlsaint | drew212: nm, just read your email | 03:04 |
| drew212 | Great! Let me know if you have any questions or if you want to start on something particular. I'm doing HW at the, so i wont be able to get too in depth but i can answer any questions holding you back from getting started triaging =) | 03:05 |
| drew212 | S/HW at the/HW at the moment | 03:05 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: is there any package you are particularly interested in? | 03:10 |
| stlsaint | drew212: um, im really interested in servers | 03:11 |
| stlsaint | and desktop | 03:11 |
| stlsaint | and nvidia grapchis | 03:11 |
| stlsaint | :D | 03:11 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: thats quite a list =) | 03:11 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: anything holding you back from getting your feet wet? | 03:11 |
| stlsaint | drew212: just wanted to get started with a mentor in best approach | 03:12 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: well go ahead and pick one that you think's easy and i'll try to introduce you to the workflow | 03:12 |
| trinikrono | drew212: so you are mentor now , nice! | 03:13 |
| stlsaint | drew212: hrm, i guess lets go with servers sice its my favorite | 03:14 |
| drew212 | trinikrono: lol, yeah =D, vish kept bugging me so i said yes =P | 03:14 |
| stlsaint | drew212: thats cause i was bugging vish ;) | 03:14 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: definetly, pick something you're passionate about | 03:14 |
| stlsaint | drew212: servers is at my top pick | 03:15 |
| drew212 | do you know how to find bugs related to ubuntu server edition? | 03:16 |
| stlsaint | drew212: no :( | 03:16 |
| stlsaint | drew212: oh wait you mean via lp? | 03:17 |
| drew212 | yea | 03:18 |
| stlsaint | oh yea gotcha | 03:18 |
| drew212 | is there a particular package related to the server distribution you want to work on? it helps if you have a particular package in mind | 03:23 |
| stlsaint | drew212: hrm, i would have to look again, i didnt too very much digging into it tbh | 03:24 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: thats fine =) | 03:24 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: just let me know when you've found a bug you want to work on. | 03:27 |
| stlsaint | drew212: um how about openssh? | 03:35 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: sure =), thats what i was looking at earlier. Do you have a bug picked out? | 03:36 |
| stlsaint | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/216847 | 03:36 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 216847 in openssh (Ubuntu) "sshd will not start at boot if ListenAddress is set, because network interface is not yet up (affects: 2) (heat: 31)" [Low,Confirmed] | 03:36 |
| stlsaint | drew212: just grabed from list :D | 03:36 |
| drew212 | first part of triaging for me is checking if I can reproduce the bug, I don't own a server, so you're going to have to do that for me =). | 03:38 |
| drew212 | first part for triaging confirmed bugs* | 03:39 |
| stlsaint | drew212: oh ok | 03:40 |
| stlsaint | drew212: LOL, so i could potentialy lost ssh ability on my server :P | 03:40 |
| stlsaint | s/lost/lose | 03:41 |
| drew212 | i would suggest running server on a VM =) | 03:41 |
| drew212 | dont use it on a production machine | 03:41 |
| persia | drew212, You could just set up openssh-server on your desktop, and `ssh localhost` | 03:41 |
| stlsaint | drew212: i run openvz on server, ill throw one together for bug :D | 03:41 |
| drew212 | =) | 03:41 |
| drew212 | persia: I'm actually not very familiar with server operations =P. | 03:42 |
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| stlsaint | persia: noth something i would enjoy doing running openssh-client/server on lappy | 03:43 |
| persia | stlsaint, Why not? Resource usage is extremely low. | 03:44 |
| persia | I run it on most of my laptops, because sometimes I want to get to them from my desktop at home, and use the larger screen. | 03:45 |
| stlsaint | persia: aye, makes sense for that | 03:46 |
| persia | And if you manage to break openssh-server on your laptop, it's the least potential important place :) | 03:47 |
| stlsaint | drew212: bug reproduced succesfully | 03:49 |
| drew212 | ok, so the confirmed status is correct =) | 03:52 |
| stlsaint | drew212: yep | 03:52 |
| drew212 | does the bug report need to have anything added to make it easier to reproduce? | 03:52 |
| stlsaint | drew212: nope | 03:52 |
| persia | Based on comment #3, it may be worth investigating whether upstart yet has the ability to support this relationship. | 03:54 |
| stlsaint | persia: yea i saw that | 03:54 |
| persia | Until that's present (or some other way around it is identified), the bug can't progress. | 03:54 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: yeah: collin is the maintainer for openSSH =) | 03:55 |
| lifeless | *colin* | 03:56 |
| lifeless | one el | 03:56 |
| drew212 | yes, colin =) | 03:57 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: so that bug is 'triaged' as far as it can be for now | 03:57 |
| stlsaint | oooh ok | 03:58 |
| stlsaint | drew212: welli must go for now but tomorrow i will look for a better one and bring it to you | 03:58 |
| persia | It would be "triaged" a couple years ago. With the passage of time, I think it deserves some research into the current state of upstart before changing the status. | 03:59 |
| drew212 | stlsaint: alright =), feel free to work on them yourself to a degree you're comfortable with, be sure to read the documentation i sent in the email =) | 03:59 |
| stlsaint | drew212: will do | 04:01 |
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| ^arky^ | Is this bug properly triaged bug 623221 | 11:29 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 623221 in espeak (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "hungarian language phoneme is full broken and unusable (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623221 | 11:29 |
| ^arky^ | Is this bug properly triaged bug 623221 | 11:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 623221 in espeak (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "hungarian language phoneme is broken and unusable (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623221 | 11:49 |
| vish | bah! i have around 3 bugs waiting for retracers :( | 12:15 |
| penguin42 | you need a stick to prod them with | 12:18 |
| * vish stares at vish_ .. leave!!!! | 12:26 | |
| vish | now, thats better! ;p | 12:27 |
| devildante | hi all :) | 12:28 |
| * devildante wonders what's all this talk about retracers | 12:28 | |
| yofel | devildante: the apport crash retracing service | 12:29 |
| yofel | and the fact that it happily let's you wait for eternity to give you a proper backtrace | 12:30 |
| devildante | haha | 12:30 |
| devildante | thanks yofel :) | 12:30 |
| ^arky^ | Is this bug properly triaged bug 623221 | 13:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 623221 in espeak (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "hungarian language phoneme is broken and unusable (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623221 | 13:08 |
| kaushal | hi | 13:14 |
| kaushal | can someone please suggest me about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-meta/+bug/540110. | 13:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 540110 in xen-meta (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-xen-server has broken dependencies (dup-of: 538917)" [Undecided,New] | 13:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 538917 in xen-tools (Ubuntu) "xen-tools is not available in lucid (affects: 25) (dups: 2) (heat: 110)" [Undecided,New] | 13:32 |
| devildante | kaushal: confirm bug 548917 | 13:39 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 548917 in mountall (Ubuntu) "lucid won't boot from nfs because of mountall.conf (dup-of: 537133)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/548917 | 13:39 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 537133 in portmap (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "mountall issues with NFS root filesystem (affects: 15) (dups: 2) (heat: 103)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537133 | 13:39 |
| devildante | fail | 13:39 |
| devildante | kaushal: confirm bug 538917 | 13:39 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 538917 in xen-tools (Ubuntu) "xen-tools is not available in lucid (affects: 25) (dups: 2) (heat: 110)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538917 | 13:39 |
| yofel | ^arky^: if espeak upstream is Debian then yes. | 13:40 |
| devildante | yofel, seems upstream is espeak.sourceforge.net | 13:42 |
| yofel | seems so, but I can't find the bug tracker for some reason | 13:43 |
| kaushal | devildante: is there a fix for it | 13:49 |
| kaushal | i didnot understand that | 13:49 |
| kaushal | I mean as per bug < devildante> kaushal: confirm bug 538917 | 13:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 538917 in xen-tools (Ubuntu) "xen-tools is not available in lucid (affects: 25) (dups: 2) (heat: 111)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538917 | 13:49 |
| devildante | kaushal: I meant, set status as confirmed | 13:50 |
| kaushal | devildante: ok | 13:51 |
| kaushal | so no fix uptill now ? | 13:51 |
| kaushal | I mean no workaround | 13:51 |
| kaushal | Just wanted to understand | 13:51 |
| yofel | not really, as we ubuntu doesn't have the package in neither lucid nor maverick currently | 13:53 |
| thekorn | mvo: hi, can you help me with bug 626740: if a .desktop file shipped with app-install-data has a typo, in this case the typo must be fixed in the original package, right? | 13:54 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 626740 in app-install-data-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "String 3871 typo (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626740 | 13:54 |
| mvo | thekorn: yeah, we can patch it short term in app-install-data, but most of that data is auto-generated | 13:56 |
| devildante | hi, mvo :) Do you have any idea of what's causing bug 623819? (since you fixed it, I thought you might know why it is/was happening) | 13:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 623819 in policykit-1-gnome (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] policykit is not responding (affects: 129) (dups: 6) (heat: 616)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623819 | 13:56 |
| mvo | devildante: yes, was not implementing the full session managment protocol | 13:57 |
| devildante | mvo: is it fixed upstream as well? | 13:58 |
| mvo | devildante: it was a distro patch, but that one should probably be send upstream | 13:59 |
| mvo | devildante: the rational is that we want the agent to be availalbe and one of the best ways to ensure this is by registerng so that its auto-restarted on crashes/errors | 13:59 |
| thekorn | mvo: ok, thanks. A user reported a few typos in some desktop files during the last few days, I will change the target now | 14:00 |
| mvo | thekorn: thanks! what is the bugnumber (just out of curiosity) | 14:01 |
| thekorn | mvo bug 625877, bug 626735, bug 626740 | 14:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 625877 in app-install-data-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "String 3592 typo (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625877 | 14:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 626735 in app-install-data-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "String 3862 typo (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626735 | 14:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 626740 in app-install-data-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "String 3871 typo (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626740 | 14:02 |
| thekorn | (I was alarmed by the short title ;)) | 14:02 |
| devildante | mvo: can you merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/update-manager/update-manager.fix-624894/+merge/33855, please? ;) | 14:03 |
| mvo | devildante: that is merged in trunk already :) its pending in the review-queue | 14:12 |
| devildante | thanks mvo :) | 14:12 |
| mvo | :) | 14:12 |
| mvo | yw | 14:12 |
| mvo | devildante: I merged the branch as "meged" | 14:13 |
| mvo | devildante: I mean, I *marked* it as merged (can't type today ;) | 14:13 |
| devildante | mvo: ah yeah | 14:13 |
| devildante | mvo: what about https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/fix-conflicting-packages/+merge/33818 ? | 14:13 |
| devildante | hi kamusin :) | 14:20 |
| kamusin | hey devildante , how are things there? | 14:21 |
| devildante | kamusin: all is fine :) | 14:22 |
| kamusin | heh super, like a monday morning :) | 14:23 |
| devildante | kamusin: not exactly morning, it's 1:24 PM here :p | 14:24 |
| kamusin | doh' | 14:24 |
| ta_bu_shi_da_yu | hi, I can't seem to connect to au.archive.ubuntu.com when I run a build-dep of openoffice.org | 14:59 |
| ta_bu_shi_da_yu | anyone have any ideas what's going on here? | 14:59 |
| kklimonda | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: try a different mirror | 15:02 |
| ta_bu_shi_da_yu | kklimonda, how do I go about doing this? | 15:02 |
| ta_bu_shi_da_yu | actually, silly me | 15:05 |
| ta_bu_shi_da_yu | quite easy, just forgot how | 15:05 |
| ta_bu_shi_da_yu | cheers | 15:05 |
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| bdmurray | thekorn: so the fix for bug 320596 was a bit more involved but has landed ;-) | 17:45 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 320596 in malone "Series.searchTasks() always returns an empty collection (affects: 1) (dups: 2) (heat: 34)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/320596 | 17:45 |
| thekorn | bdmurray: great, thanks. Is this fix already available on edge or stable? | 18:04 |
| njin | Hello, what is a dead-stroke key ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/431922 | 18:05 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 431922 in ubuntu "dead_stroke broken in some applications (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 18:05 |
| bdmurray | thekorn: yes on edge | 18:05 |
| thekorn | ok, let me verify it's working | 18:06 |
| thekorn | bdmurray: list(hardy.searchTasks()) still gives me an empty list on edge :( | 18:08 |
| thekorn | bdmurray: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/485917/ | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | thekorn: use version='devel' | 18:12 |
| bdmurray | thekorn_: use version='devel' | 18:12 |
| thekorn_ | bdmurray: aha, ok. It's looking much better now. | 18:14 |
| thekorn_ | thanks for fixing this bug | 18:14 |
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| devildante | seb128: why did you unassign me bug 572381? After all, I'm working on it, and that's the meaning of assignments :p | 18:27 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 572381 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu One Store not showing (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572381 | 18:27 |
| seb128 | devildante, because I though your part was done and that u1 guys needed to review it now | 18:27 |
| seb128 | devildante, if it's not assigned to their team it might just fall off their tracking | 18:28 |
| devildante | seb128: ah... okay, sorry for bothering you :) | 18:28 |
| seb128 | no worry | 18:28 |
| seb128 | sorry if you were not done hacking on it | 18:28 |
| devildante | seb128: no, I'm done :) | 18:29 |
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| neeraj | >for bug 511225, should I file a ff'e request separately? | 19:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 511225 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "running sugar causes left-click not to work properly in GNOME (affects: 2) (heat: 34)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511225 | 19:08 |
| devildante | neeraj, I don't think so, since you're fixing a bug and not adding a feature | 19:10 |
| neeraj | devildante: Ok. thanks for replying. its a bug fix patch only. Actually i was wondering because the patch was in review stage for a long time . Other patches that I had added were approved much quickly | 19:15 |
| devildante | neeraj: next time, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug when you have a debdiff ;) | 19:16 |
| devildante | (I've done this for you already) | 19:16 |
| neeraj | devildante: ohh.. my bad.. thanks again.. one last query.. I have to fix one more bug for sugar-0.88 bug 617582 | 19:21 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 617582 in sugar-0.88 (Ubuntu) "When opening the control panel some icons are cut off . (affects: 2) (heat: 338)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617582 | 19:21 |
| neeraj | here, i was confused what should be the revision number of the package.. I mean ubuntu2 is in queue..(like in sponsor) and I am not sure that I can directly jump from ubuntu1 to ubuntu3 | 19:23 |
| neeraj | This thing has been bothering me for a long time. I mean if there are number of bugs in a package and different people are working on it. then how do we make sure the package name along with version and revision number does not get conflict | 19:24 |
| devildante | neeraj: the sponsors take care of this, I think | 19:25 |
| devildante | neeraj: of course, if a sponsor review request got accepted, it would be nice of you to fix the conflict | 19:26 |
| devildante | neeraj: for now, just put ubuntu2 ;) | 19:32 |
| neeraj | devildante: thanks for the pointers :).. I was just wandering here and there for past 1 hr :).. | 19:33 |
| neeraj | thanks a lot.. | 19:33 |
| njin | 64-bit - Not recommended for daily desktop usage http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download Why ??? | 19:49 |
| penguin42 | njin: Flash is the biggest problem; aren't many others | 19:50 |
| micahg | njin: I would guess since people might d/l the 64 bit version and it might not run on their machine | 19:50 |
| micahg | penguin42: flash works fine for me in 64 bit | 19:50 |
| penguin42 | micahg: You running 64bit or with nsplugin ? | 19:50 |
| njin | I use 64 bit from two years and i've not great problem.. | 19:51 |
| micahg | penguin42: nspluginwrapper, 64 bit flash has many security issues at this point | 19:51 |
| penguin42 | micahg: Yeh, I run with nspluginwrapper and it's not bad these days but it still dies from time to time | 19:51 |
| penguin42 | but hey maybe that's no worse than 32bit | 19:51 |
| njin | Thanks guys . | 19:52 |
| mmix-chagsub | hey guys if a op is complaining about problems with sound it should be filed against the kernel correct? | 21:00 |
| mmix-chagsub | or i can just put bug 627038 and someone will help me out hopefully | 21:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 627038 in ubuntu "Sound for sound card "Gembird SC-5.1-1" based on VT1723 chip, detected as ICE1724 is not starting with system every time (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627038 | 21:01 |
| bdmurray | jibel: do you think we could stop apport-package bugs that include "Read-only file system" in DpkgTerminalLog.txt? | 21:34 |
| jibel | bdmurray, hm, I don't think of a case that would hurt. | 21:40 |
| jibel | bdmurray, but it usually need to be crossed checked with the content of dmesg | 21:41 |
| jibel | bdmurray, e.g. if there is a failure because of a file system being RO then check in dmesg if the file system is mounted RO. | 21:42 |
| jibel | bdmurray, It would be great if we could do the same for device failures. Usually there is an apport-package error showing an I/O error and dmesg shows a medium error or device exception. | 21:44 |
| jibel | bdmurray, we were talking about the regression-* tags with pedro and hggdh. | 21:52 |
| jibel | bdmurray, do you know why the regression-potential was introduced ? | 21:52 |
| bdmurray | jibel: to keep track of regressions that might show up in the development release of Ubuntu | 21:54 |
| jibel | bdmurray, okay but why not use the regression-release and target the dev release ? Today it's hard to know which regression are 'maybe a regression' and which are confirmed regressions | 21:55 |
| * hggdh starts paying attention | 21:55 | |
| jibel | bdmurray, and when the dev release is released, we need to confirm all the regression-potential and change them to regression-release. | 21:55 |
| bdmurray | jibel: I see your point and I'm not positive of why but I think the tag was used to denote the state of the regression and regression-release meant regression-releaseD | 21:57 |
| jibel | bdmurray, I triaged nearly 40 bugs tagged release-potential (linux excluded) and only 2 where correctly tagged | 21:57 |
| bdmurray | jibel: and why were the tagged incorrectly? should they have been regression-release or were they not regressions at all? | 21:58 |
| hggdh | the point is a lot of regression -potential bugs are left after the -dev is released | 21:58 |
| hggdh | they were (probably) regressions in development, but then (for example) lucid became 10.04, and the bugs are still tagged regression-potential | 21:59 |
| bdmurray | hggdh: well we should have cleaned them up / reviewed them in April or May | 21:59 |
| hggdh | indeed. But it sounds better, now, to tag them regression-release + ubuntu version, and use regression-potential for something that *may* be a regression | 22:00 |
| bdmurray | I'm not attached to regression-potential however it seems easier to query on ubuntu.searchTasks(tag=reg-pot) than maverick.searchTasks(tag=reg-pot) | 22:00 |
| jibel | bdmurray, the idea is to use regression-potential to mean 'this is maybe a regression' | 22:01 |
| hggdh | on any release | 22:01 |
| jibel | bdmurray, and when it's confirmed change to 'regression-release' and target the affected release. | 22:01 |
| jibel | as hggdh on any release. | 22:02 |
| drew212 | is there any specific reason i'm getting timeout errors when searching on LP for certain packages, specifically firefox? | 22:02 |
| hggdh | drew212: using edge? | 22:02 |
| bdmurray | Having people tag regressions using regression-release then targetting to the release when they are "confirmed" on that release seems simpler to me | 22:03 |
| drew212 | hggdh: not as far as i know, idk what edge is | 22:03 |
| hggdh | drew212: edge.launchpad.net, the test LP instance | 22:03 |
| hggdh | bdmurray: indeed. And we considered that regression-potential should be limited to *probable, but not yet confirmed* regressions | 22:04 |
| bdmurray | hggdh: and my point is there is no idea for regression-potential as a tag as *probable* can be determined with tag + status or tag + target (release) | 22:05 |
| bdmurray | s/idea/need/ ;-) | 22:05 |
| drew212 | hggdh: i got an error even with edge, should i turn off my automatic redirection? | 22:06 |
| hggdh | bdmurray: even better... | 22:06 |
| hggdh | drew212: yes, try without edge -- you will have to edit the URL, BTW. Edge has a more strict timeout | 22:06 |
| hggdh | jibel: I agree with bdmurray, we could just drop regression-potential | 22:07 |
| drew212 | hggdh: well it doesnt work either way... | 22:07 |
| devildante | can someone triage bug 387247? | 22:07 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 387247 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "implement launchpad changelog in update-manager (affects: 1) (heat: 15)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/387247 | 22:07 |
| hggdh | drew212: best bet, then, is #launchpad | 22:07 |
| bdmurray | drew212: what are your search parameters? | 22:07 |
| maco | yeah | 22:07 |
| jibel | and use the statuses to know if it's confirmed or not ? | 22:08 |
| drew212 | bdmurray: i'm in ubuntu, searching for "firefox" under search for a package | 22:08 |
| hggdh | devildante: done | 22:08 |
| devildante | hggdh: thanks :) | 22:09 |
| jibel | hggdh, so the workflow would be. I, as a reporter, file a bug which I think is a regression. | 22:09 |
| jibel | I, or a triager, tag it as regression-release and set the status to new. | 22:09 |
| bdmurray | drew212: okay #launchpad - if you want a workaround let me know what you want to find | 22:10 |
| jibel | if the regression is confirmed, the triager nominate for that release and set the status to confirmed/triaged if there is enough information | 22:10 |
| hggdh | jibel: sounds like it, yes | 22:10 |
| drew212 | bdmurray: go to #launchpad? | 22:10 |
| bdmurray | drew212: yeah, sorry | 22:11 |
| jibel | and if the regression if fixed in the dev release, the main task is closed as fixed release. | 22:11 |
| hggdh | yes | 22:11 |
| bdmurray | jibel: yes and yes | 22:11 |
| maco | devildante: i marked it wishlist too | 22:11 |
| hggdh | if the bug is not fixed during dev, it stays correctly set | 22:11 |
| micahg | well, if you get rid of regression-potential, you'll have to have a task for the dev release as well | 22:11 |
| devildante | thank you, maco! ;) | 22:11 |
| micahg | which can cause issues if it's not fixed by the next release | 22:12 |
| hggdh | maco: thank you (I forgot) | 22:12 |
| jibel | hggdh, bdmurray, and we use the -updates and -proposed to identify the pocket. | 22:12 |
| bdmurray | jibel: right which is the same as now | 22:12 |
| bdmurray | micahg: cause issues how? | 22:12 |
| jibel | hggdh, bdmurray, sounds good. | 22:12 |
| hggdh | +1 | 22:12 |
| micahg | bdmurray: you need a new task added for each new release it's not fixed in | 22:12 |
| hggdh | yes | 22:12 |
| hggdh | but it is better than currently is (regression-potential bugs on released versions, no tasks | 22:13 |
| bdmurray | micahg: yes and that is correct - the regression should be tracked on a per release basis | 22:13 |
| jibel | bdmurray, hggdh, this will only need a status check after each release. But that's a good target for a bug day. | 22:13 |
| hggdh | jibel: I agree. We will have to spread the news when we go this way | 22:13 |
| dyfet | bug #625996 could be marked triaged | 22:13 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 625996 in clamtk (Ubuntu) "ClamAV antivirus engine requires updating (affects: 1) (heat: 3440)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625996 | 22:13 |
| jibel | bdmurray, hggdh, there will have only one thing to sort ... all the reports filed by apport against linux and tagged release-potential without human intervention. | 22:15 |
| bdmurray | jibel: /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_linux.py | 22:16 |
| micahg | hggdh: was using regression-$RELEASE to make it easily searchable already discussed? | 22:17 |
| bdmurray | jibel: and I imagine the kernel bug janitor could update existing tags as it processes bugs | 22:18 |
| hggdh | micahg: no, it has not. I am sort of not really happy with this option, though -- it gets old fast (regression-karmic, for example, and still a regression today) | 22:18 |
| micahg | hggdh: well, tags are less noisy tahan bugs especially if they don't get done | 22:18 |
| jibel | bdmurray, yes I imagine that too but that needs to be discussed with the kernel team. I don't know much about their workflow regarding those reports. Most of them looks the same to me. | 22:19 |
| hggdh | bdmurray, jibel ^ | 22:19 |
| micahg | s/bugs/tasks/ | 22:19 |
| bdmurray | micahg: I also feel that it places too much work on the reporter / early triager | 22:19 |
| bdmurray | jibel: I'd be happy to handle talking to them | 22:19 |
| micahg | bdmurray: to mark regression-$RELEASE_REPORTED? | 22:19 |
| micahg | rather than needing a dev to add a task? | 22:20 |
| jibel | micahg, and the tags will carry to much information. It's only a marker, not a placeholder to add useful bug information. | 22:20 |
| bdmurray | micahg: yes and I have plans to fix the latter issue. ;-) | 22:20 |
| micahg | bdmurray: super task creation script? | 22:20 |
| bdmurray | no changes to Launchpad ;-) | 22:21 |
| micahg | bdmurray: for bug supervisor? | 22:21 |
| bdmurray | micahg: Release Manager which would likely include some bug supervisor members | 22:22 |
| micahg | bdmurray: you want to restrict task creation further? | 22:22 |
| bdmurray | micahg: can you target a bug to a release? | 22:22 |
| micahg | bdmurray: no, MOTU can do universe and core-dev everything AFAIK | 22:23 |
| bdmurray | micahg: last I checked that was for setting milestones not release targetting | 22:23 |
| micahg | bdmurray: no, bug supervisor can assign milestones | 22:23 |
| yofel | I can set a milestone, so every BC member should be able to do that | 22:24 |
| bdmurray | okay right - so bug supervisor approve nominations and release manager set milestone | 22:27 |
| micahg | bdmurray: bug supervisor cam set milestones on bugs | 22:28 |
| bdmurray | micahg: right and I think that is wrong | 22:28 |
| bdmurray | It hasn't been an issue yet but milestones should be up to the release team | 22:28 |
| dyfet | and bug #622919 | 22:28 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 622919 in ubuntu "Missing autostart directory (affects: 1) (heat: 577)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622919 | 22:28 |
| micahg | bdmurray: approving nominations requires knowledge of the SRU process and should have some understanding of the change required ( I think it's quite appropriate to have a dev do it) | 22:29 |
| micahg | bdmurray: I agree on the milestoning though | 22:29 |
| hggdh | dyfet: 'ubuntu' is the wrong package on this bug | 22:29 |
| dyfet | ah...good point | 22:30 |
| jibel | sbeattie, was your system hit by bug 614993 upgraded from a previous release already (I mean previous to lucid) ? | 22:30 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 614993 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "10.04 -> 10.10 upgrade fails: pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks: xserver-xorg-video-v4l demoted to universe (affects: 13) (dups: 8) (heat: 103)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614993 | 22:30 |
| bdmurray | jibel: I saw that yesterday too | 22:30 |
| jibel | bdmurray, we've fixed upgrade another issue but I'm enable to reproduce that one on a fresh lucid. | 22:31 |
| bdmurray | jibel: mines been upgraded since feisty or edgy. ;-) | 22:32 |
| jibel | bdmurray, and all the status files I analyzed contains package from older release that do not exist anymore in lucid. | 22:32 |
| jibel | bdmurray, is your system using some nvidia/nouveau driver ? | 22:33 |
| bdmurray | jibel: no, ati | 22:34 |
| jibel | bdmurray, which driver ? | 22:35 |
| micahg | bdmurray: devs should be able to nominate milestones or something if it becomes limited to release managers | 22:36 |
| bdmurray | jibel: radeon | 22:37 |
| jibel | bdmurray, no fglrx package installed at all ? | 22:38 |
| bdmurray | jibel: ii fglrx-modaliases 2:8.762-0ubuntu0sarvatt~lucid Identifiers supported by the ATI graphics dr... | 22:39 |
| jibel | bdmurray, bah, It seems that you're not using a package from an official Ubuntu repository, because of this we cannot fix your particular bug ;) | 22:42 |
| bdmurray | jibel: heh, okay ;-) | 22:44 |
| jibel | bdmurray, is xserver-xorg-radeonhd installed, if so, please remove it and tell me if you can upgrade ? | 22:48 |
| bdmurray | jibel: and leave fglrx-modaliases alone? | 22:50 |
| jibel | bdmurray, yes leave it alone. | 22:50 |
| jibel | bdmurray,the full name is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd | 22:51 |
| bdmurray | jibel: yes, I found it | 22:51 |
| bdmurray | jibel: still could not calculate the upgrade | 22:51 |
| jibel | bdmurray, :/ I've been able to reproduce the pb with that one, there must be another video driver which have been removed in maverick. | 22:52 |
| jibel | bdmurray, please pastebin the output of dpkg -l "xserver-xorg-video*"|grep ^ii | 22:54 |
| bdmurray | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/486037/ | 22:55 |
| sbeattie | jibel: yes, I think it's roughly been upgraded all the way up from hardy. | 22:57 |
| jibel | sbeattie, can you try removing xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd and tell if it helps ? | 22:58 |
| sbeattie | jibel: trying. | 22:58 |
| dyfet | And I think bug #619621 can be marked as triaged. I can make a patch for us and debian based on this report. | 23:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 619621 in gnomeradio (Ubuntu) "some errors in source (affects: 1) (heat: 293)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619621 | 23:01 |
| yofel | jibel: do you know if anyone is looking into those 'is already installed and configured' bugs? we get a lot of them these days | 23:04 |
| jibel | bdmurray, no luck. | 23:04 |
| yofel | dyfet: if you plan on fixing the bug, please set the status to in progress and assign the bug to you | 23:05 |
| jibel | bdmurray, I installed them all and the system still upgrades. | 23:05 |
| dyfet | yofel, okay | 23:05 |
| sbeattie | jibel: wooo, seems to be able to calculate an upgrade path now. | 23:06 |
| jibel | sbeattie, cool \o/ | 23:06 |
| jibel | yofel, yes and no. We know that this bug exists but not what is causing it and how to reproduce it. | 23:11 |
| jibel | yofel, I've been working on it with mvo, and we think that a system crash is the cause. And that following that crash the apt binary cache and dpkg status database become out of sync. | 23:13 |
| jibel | yofel, but the error is harmless so we've not been very far. | 23:13 |
| yofel | ok thanks (I tend to agree about the cause) | 23:14 |
| devildante | can someone triage bug 433972? | 23:14 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 433972 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Internet ping is very slow (affects: 31) (heat: 159)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/433972 | 23:14 |
| yofel | devildante: any proposed importance? | 23:17 |
| devildante | yofel: medium | 23:17 |
| yofel | JFo: ^ | 23:20 |
| jibel | time to go to bed, good night all! | 23:20 |
| yofel | I won't touch the bug for now as the last person there isn't the original reporter and there are many that claim to have the same issue | 23:20 |
| yofel | for kernel bugs every one of them should file their own bug though | 23:21 |
| yofel | not sure how the kernel team handles that | 23:21 |
| devildante | yofel: okay :) | 23:44 |
| yofel | devildante: bug control app question 3: we mostly want to make sure you have read the documentation, as the triage guide has a section on apport crashes | 23:46 |
| yofel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Apport%20crash%20reports | 23:46 |
| dyfet | I think bug #616274 can be marked as triaged, at least there is enough info for someone to decide what they want to do with it :) | 23:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 616274 in gparted (Ubuntu) "gparted menu entry depends on gksu (affects: 1) (heat: 253)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616274 | 23:49 |
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