[01:28] <micahg> I'd like to request the phpmyadmin sync to maverick be 3.3.6 instead of 3.3.5.1, I believe this is bug fix only, but can I get a MOTU ack before I make the change and then a comment in the bug once I update?  details in debian 594755
[01:38] <persia> micahg, 3.3.6 was uploaded to Debian: why do you want the ACK *before* you change the report?  Just modify the description to include the additional changelog entry, and modify the version in the bug, and *then* get your ACK.
[01:39] <persia> Folks are usually happier about ACKing stuff when it's in the desired state (and nobody will ask why not use 3.3.6 that way)
[01:39] <micahg> persia: because I have a report for 3.3.5 and want to make sure someone will do something before morning with it :)
[01:39] <micahg> 3.3.5.1 that is
[01:39] <persia> What's that bug number?
[01:39] <micahg> bug 622900
[01:41] <persia> I'm unsure anyone will do anything to it during beta freeze (although I'd be glad to be mistaken).
[01:41] <micahg> well, it's an unseeded universe package so there shouldn't be a reason not to
[01:41] <micahg> but yeah, I expected as much as well
[01:41] <persia> Yeah, but the archive-admins usually seem to let these things collect during freezes, to avoid mistakes.
[01:42] <micahg> this one should've been pushed thorugh actually since it's a security update
[01:42] <persia> You might want to link it to the CVE's :)
[01:42] <micahg> am I better off just trying to get this sync'd from testing now and file my other sync after freeze
[01:43] <micahg> hmmm...I linked the other bug I filed, But I guess I should link this one as well
[01:43] <persia> I think it's better in general to just add 3.3.6, but I understand your concerns about timing.
[01:44] <persia> Do we happen to have a semi-automated test-suite for phpmyadmin?
[01:44] <micahg> CVE added :)
[01:44] <persia> both?
[01:44] <micahg> persia: no, just the one that's actually affected
[01:44] <persia> changelog says CVE-2010-3055 CVE-2010-3056
[01:45] <micahg> persia: as you can see from ubottu changelog is wrong :)
[01:45] <persia> heh, indeed :)
[01:45] <micahg> the other one affect hardy
[01:46] <persia> Anyway, I doubt you'll have huge problems if you just update that bug.
[01:47] <persia> Leave a note at the bottom saying you've updated the version, and seek another sponsor.  You can't pull from the archive-admin queue, so being diligent with comments can be important so that folks don't think you're hijacking an ACK.
[01:47] <ajmitch> especially being a bugfix release
[01:47]  * ajmitch finds a "you're about to expire" message from LP
[01:47] <persia> The main obstacle is finding a MOTU who will test phpmyadmin for you, but that oughtn't be impossible.
[01:47] <micahg> wow
[01:48] <ajmitch> wow?
[01:48] <micahg> a message saying you're about to expire :)
[01:48] <ajmitch> that happens every year
[01:48] <micahg> well, I would hope it's just your membership ;)
[01:48] <ajmitch> of course ;)
[01:49] <ajmitch> but it'd probably mean losing indirect membership in *lots* of teams :)
[01:49] <micahg> persia: I'll do my usually backport and test build before I update, then comment and subscribe sponsors as you've suggested
[01:49] <persia> micahg, Good luck.
[01:50] <maco> ajmitch: micahg was making a joke about expire == death
[01:50] <ajmitch> maco: I know that
[01:50] <maco> oh
[01:50] <micahg> persia: thanks, BTW I think I figured out how to get the java dependencies to build with a trip through multiverse, but I'm going to check with debian-java still
[01:50]  * ajmitch isn't completely dense :)
[01:50] <ajmitch> I wrote it like that for a reason
[01:51] <maco> ajmitch: i dont know who around here has english as a first language so puns sometimes go over poorly
[01:51] <ajmitch> maco: We have English as a first language, not American :)
[01:52] <ajmitch> makes for interesting misunderstanding at times
[01:52] <maco> but for all i know you're like persia and up in the middle of the night!
[01:52]  * ajmitch isn't that many timezones away from persia
[01:52] <maco> (though he's USian, but you could be indonesian or something :P)
[01:53]  * ajmitch thought persia was still in/around .jp
[01:53] <maco> he is
[01:53] <ajmitch> & I'm at UTC+12
[01:54]  * persia is now, but was spanning timezones wildly December <-> early august (no single timezone for more than 3 weeks)
[01:54] <maco> i was noting his originally-US-ness as a "but he doesnt count because english is his first"
[01:54] <persia> No it isn't: it's something I picked up as a young child though (and no longer use my first)
[01:54] <ajmitch> new zealand is quite english
[01:55] <maco> persia: oh
[01:55] <maco> persia: so what's your first?
[01:55] <maco> and does english now count as your native or not? *confused*
[01:56] <persia> French, but I never learned more than a 6-year old needs to know, and haven't used it reliably in so long that it's painful to do more than read slowly.
[01:56]  * persia has no idea if english counts as "native", and doesn't really care.
[01:56] <maco> well if you ever move to quebec, and have kids, it decides what language they are educated in
[01:56] <maco> if english is your native, they learn in english. if it's not, they learn in french
[01:57] <persia> No it doesn't.  It decides which language they are educated in if there is no expressed parental preference.
[01:57] <maco> (whether you speak english as a second language and are ignorant of french is irrelevant...weirdly)
[01:57] <maco> thats not what IdleOne said...and he lives there
[01:57]  * persia knows folks who chose to raise their kids in their less strong language in Quebec
[01:58] <persia> s/less strong/later learned/
[01:58] <maco> he said about a chinese coupe in quebec who both spoke english but their kids were forced to go to the french school
[01:58] <maco> *couple
[01:58] <persia> That's different.  One gets treated slightly differently if one is new to Quebec.
[01:59] <lifeless> where 'new' == < 20 years residence
[01:59] <persia> And there's greater support for expressing preference if the preference is for French school.
[01:59]  * persia thought it was 30, but yeah, something like that
[01:59] <maco> haha
[02:01] <maco> yay xenophobia?
[02:01] <lifeless> o
[02:01] <lifeless> no, they just smirk and act tolerant
[02:01] <persia> It's marketed as "cultural preservation" rather than xenophobia.
[02:01] <maco> persia: is it true that if you were to become a japanese citizen you'd have a different coloured passport because you're naturalised? (for that matter: are you one?)
[02:02] <persia> I don't know about passport colours.
[02:03] <persia> Becoming Japanese requires one of A) being within a couple generations of someone who was Japanese, with full documentation + 10 years residence *OR* > 20 years residence and good reports from a intrusive investigation.  I have yet to qualify.
[02:03] <maco> ah
[02:03] <persia> s/R*/R* (B) /
[02:03] <maco> i knew it was *really really hard*
[02:03] <maco> but didnt know it was 20 years hard
[02:04] <persia> More, just takes a really long time.
[02:04] <nixternal> persia isn't even a citizen of this world I don't think :p
[02:04] <ajmitch> it makes gaining NZ citizenship look trivial
[02:04] <persia> nixternal, The handy bit being that one can purchase passports from a variety of places to mask that :)
[02:04] <maco> i recall reading someone's naturalisation story who was married to a japanese woman, and he said that if he'd had so much as a speeding ticket, that couldve disqualified
[02:04] <nixternal> persia: oh i know, i live a few miles from a passport dealer or 2
[02:05] <maco> me too!
[02:05] <maco> that is, i live not far from the State Department
[02:05]  * persia prefers nixernal's dealers : one-time charge vs. lifetime taxation
[02:05] <nixternal> maco: i live not to far from the martinez brothers
[05:37] <micahg> wgrant: ubuntuwire mozilla list seems to be broke, but the rest seem to work
[05:47] <micahg> stalcup: ping
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <didrocks> hey dholbach
[07:55] <dholbach> heya didrocks
[09:24] <bilalakhtar> I know that there is a command-line program that prints out the sections in which a source package exists. What is the command?
[09:25] <persia> Could you rephrase?  You could get that with grep-dctrl (or just grepping Sources files), but I wonder if you want something more complex that deals with binaries in several sections from the same source.
[09:31] <bilalakhtar> persia: It is a single command that lists the distros -> section pairs of a source package
[09:32] <persia> Do you really mean "section"?  Maybe "component" (that would be madison-lite or rmadison, depending on your environment)
[09:34] <bilalakhtar> persia: yes, component
[09:34] <bilalakhtar> persia: yes its rmadison
[09:35] <persia> OK.  Be aware that there is no guaranteed correspondence between the component in which a source package appears and the component in which one of it's binary packages appear.
[09:41] <bilalakhtar> persia: haha, yes I know that!
[09:42] <bilalakhtar> persia: Thanks btw1
[10:38] <AnAnt> Hello
[11:46] <bilalakhtar> ara: good bye, hello, good bye, hello again
[11:46] <ara> bilalakhtar,  :)
[12:35] <kaushal> hi
[12:35] <kaushal> can someone please guide me about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-meta/+bug/540110 ?
[12:48] <AnAnt> could someone approve: LP #626711
[13:00] <geser> AnAnt: you need a core-dev for this and main/resticted is currently in BetaFreeze
[13:00] <AnAnt> geser: it's a bug fix
[13:00] <persia> AnAnt, You ought apply for permission to manage that directly: after all, it's your work on the package that enabled it to be good enough to move back into main/restricted.
[13:00] <persia> Still, BetaFreeze.
[13:01] <geser> AnAnt: BetaFreeze, all uploads to main/restricted needs approval
[13:01] <AnAnt> persia: so I should subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug ?
[13:01] <persia> No.  It's a soft freeze.
[13:01] <AnAnt> persia: so what should I do ?
[13:01] <persia> But all uploads to stuff that appears on images are supposed to be limited to things necessary to fix images.
[13:01] <geser> AnAnt: is it important enough to get into the Beta or can it wait till after the Beta?
[13:03] <AnAnt> I think it can wait after beta, that's the bug it fixes: LP #626231
[13:03] <AnAnt> it is not necessary to fix images
[13:04] <persia> Then it's better to wait until after Beta to actually do it.
[13:04] <persia> But it could get posted to the archive-admins now.
[13:04] <persia> Anyway, needs a sponsor who can upload it (more likely to be found in ubuntu-devel).
[13:04] <AnAnt> persia: so, if I apply for PPU for sl-modem, you would endorse my application ?
[13:05] <persia> And I reiterate that I believe you should apply to be a PPU for sl-modem, as the recent re-promotion of sl-modem is precisely the case that sabdfl used as one of the justifications for PPUs in the first place.
[13:05] <persia> AnAnt, Absolutely, and without reservation.  I clearly remember working with you to pull it *out* of main back when it didn't work, and your work in Debian to ensure it's good enough that it got pulled back in.
[13:45] <AnAnt> persia: done
[15:35] <new2Ubuntu> hi all
[15:38] <iulian> Hi there.
[15:41] <new2Ubuntu> !hi | iulian
[16:14] <ari-tczew> didrocks: do you forward changes to Debian?
[16:21] <didrocks> ari-tczew: of course, I forward my changes to debian
[16:22] <ari-tczew> didrocks: how about kiki?
[16:23] <didrocks> ari-tczew: that changes doesn't impact debian as it's for python 2.6 distro only (and debian is in freeze). In any case, those little changes can be send when we merge back
[16:23] <ari-tczew> didrocks: about any case: we should send changes to Debian ASAP, no when we are merging.
[16:25] <didrocks> ari-tczew: thanks, but I'm an ubuntu dev for 3 years now and I have access to svn/git commit in some Debian team. Consequently, I think I know when I need to send or not something immediately
[16:25] <didrocks> this is still a bad package in my taste, we should fix rather debian/rules, which I didn't want to do in the ubuntu packaging only but should be done with next release of kiki
[16:27] <ari-tczew> didrocks: I don't deny your expierence, but reason "I'm dev since 3 years and I change will be forwarded by someone else while merging" is very weak.
[16:28] <didrocks> ari-tczew: it's not the reason if you reread my sentence: the change is not the right solution, the correct one is to change debian/rules more heavily, which I haven't done as I didn't want to diverge too much from debian packaging
[16:29] <ari-tczew> didrocks: I wrote to: in any case
[16:29] <ari-tczew> didrocks: not to kiki's case
[16:29] <ari-tczew> I just say, that developers don't respect some policies
[16:30] <didrocks> don't understand your sentence, sorry "I wrote to:"
[16:31] <ari-tczew> didrocks: nevermind
[16:31] <ari-tczew> it's only my monologue
[16:31] <ari-tczew> :]
[16:33] <didrocks> :)
[17:47] <ari-tczew> dh: Unknown sequence cleanbuilddir (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build clean install)
[17:47] <ari-tczew> what's going on?
[17:47] <ari-tczew> it's FTBFS since I added cdbs to B-D
[18:51] <neeraj> for bug#511225, should I file a ff'e request separately?
[18:57] <neeraj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/511225
[19:43] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: does kolourpaint crashes g-s-d for you every time you do copy&paste?
[19:45] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: yes
[19:48] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: do you just copy and paste something inside kolourpaint?
[19:49] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: yes
[19:49] <kklimonda> bah, I can't reproduce it - I can see where does it crash but not why.
[19:50] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson would say "give me the xtrace log" and that would probably make sense but I'm not sure if I can read it correctly - X is scary ;)
[19:51] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: apachelogger reproduced this one
[19:52] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: are you running maverick?
[19:52] <kklimonda> yes, 32bit, up to date in maverick
[19:52] <kklimonda> s/in//
[19:53] <kklimonda> I've tried reproducing with both my laptop which is amd64 and in vm (x86) and no luck
[19:53] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: hmmm, let's click print screen, save file;
[19:53] <kklimonda> maybe it doesn't hook into g-s-d by default?
[19:54] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: open this file by kolourpaint and cut something
[19:54] <kklimonda> do I have to do some setup?
[19:54] <ari-tczew> then open next kolourpaint and paste
[19:54] <apachelogger> I more like stumbled upon it ;)
[19:55] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: nope, nothing
[19:56] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: so what's next?
[19:56] <ari-tczew> I hope that you don't think that I'm lying
[19:56] <kklimonda> no, why? I have a coredump and I can see where does it crash
[19:58] <chrisccoulson> my ears are burning
[19:58] <kklimonda> :D
[20:01] <ari-tczew> it's very frustratic, if only me is affected by this bug
[20:02] <kklimonda> yeah, some bugs are like that
[20:04] <kklimonda> hmm.. I can't use pbuilder-satisfydepends after all.. I'm in the right directory but it doesn't install anything :/
[20:06] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: I can probably make a small patch to print more debug info if you are interested in debugging it further.
[20:07] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I don't know whether os make sense, because there are not people interested in fixing.
[20:08] <kklimonda> why? I'm interested in fixing it
[20:10] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: can you?
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> what's wrong with g-s-d?
[20:11] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/485980/
[20:12] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: gdb says that it crashes at if (conversions->next == NULL &&
[20:22] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: this patch may stop it from crashing (and pring critical message in log): http://pastebin.com/RuqhJ3x0
[20:23] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: in which package can I apply it?
[20:23] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: gnome-settings-daemon
[20:24] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: thanks, I'll try it soon
[22:23] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: okay, I built patched g-s-d, do I need to restart system?
[22:27] <persia> ari-tczew, about your dh error: it's exceedingly rare that a package should be using both dh and CDBS.
[22:29] <ari-tczew> persia: I've resolved the problem by adding override also for build and install
[22:30] <ari-tczew> without cdbs :)
[22:30] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: cześć, dzisiaj rozmawiałeś ze strikeu, jestem jego kolegą od paczkowania ;-)
[22:30] <ari-tczew> ari-tczew: tutaj trzeba po angielsku. jak po polsku to priv.
[22:30] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: ^
[22:31] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: ok ;-)
[22:32] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: I build packages for his project, I was wondering if I do everything correctly
[22:33] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: would you mind checking one package?
[22:34] <persia> ari-tczew, I'm very certain that you'd do better to remove cdbs from build-depends, and sort out why dh(1) wasn't working cleanly.
[22:35] <ari-tczew> persia: I removed cdbs from B-D!
[22:35] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: I can take a look. are you interesting only in this one?
[22:36] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: at this time only one
[22:37] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: should I upload the deb file or some others too?
[22:37] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: btw. not only me can take a look. :-)
[22:37] <Fazer2> heh, ok
[22:37] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: others what?
[22:38] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: other files, i.e. those needed for packaging or created during building
[22:39] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: or just the .deb file
[22:39] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: source files - /debian/ directory
[22:40] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: ok
[22:40] <ari-tczew> then you'll building from source
[22:40] <Fazer2> I know how to build ;-)
[22:40] <persia> ari-tczew, Ah, OK.  I worried because of "ari-tczew> it's FTBFS since I added cdbs to B-D".
[22:43] <ari-tczew> persia: and I reply: I've resolved the problem by adding override also for build and install.
[22:43] <ari-tczew> also I removed cdbs support
[22:43] <ari-tczew> it sucks
[22:43] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: here it is  http://www.speedyshare.com/files/24046033/debian.tar.gz
[22:43] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: thanks in advance
[22:43] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: I suggest to use bazaar
[22:44] <persia> ari-tczew, OK.  I missed the "also I removed cdbs support" bit.  All ought be good.
[22:44] <ari-tczew> persia: again language barier :(
[22:44] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: for controlling changes made in package?
[22:45] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: because the upstream uses git, so I guess you're talking about bazaar for packager
[22:47] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: btw in Ubuntu Packaging Guide I saw recommendations to use quilt
[22:50] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: yes quilt 3.0 is on tour
[22:51] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: IIRC launchpad has got an option like 'import from git', but I'm not sure whether it works
[22:51] <ari-tczew> but it's for upstream code ship. I prefer to sharing source of package into bazaar also.
[22:51] <ari-tczew> then I can grab full package source
[22:51] <ari-tczew> not only debian/
[22:53] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto
[22:53] <ari-tczew> bzr init and go ahead
[22:54] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: but I can do the same with git
[22:55] <ari-tczew> Fazer2: ok
[22:55] <Fazer2> ari-tczew: but I'll read it, thanks
[22:57] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: around? I think that your patch helps!
[23:01] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: g-s-d was not crashed, but in console I got error: ** (gnome-settings-daemon:10972): CRITICAL **: convert_clipboard: assertion `conversions != NULL' failed
[23:03] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: yeah, that makes sense - that's from the patch itself.
[23:04] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: do you want to forward it?
[23:05] <kklimonda> no, it's not really a solution, I was just confirming what I've found - there is a test before that should prevent this error, I wonder why it's not working :/
[23:07] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: you can attach the patch to LP report though
[23:08] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: thanks! but what about upstream?
[23:08] <kklimonda> I'm going to ask chriscc if it makes sense to forward it upstream but I think we should find the real cause of the bug..
[23:09] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: when is final freeze/
[23:09] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: final freze of what?
[23:09] <kklimonda> of ubuntu
[23:09] <kklimonda> 10.10
[23:10] <kklimonda> I was lazy to check it myself ;)
[23:10] <micahg> kklimonda: I think the 16th of September
[23:11] <kklimonda> so there isn't much time to fix it anyway.. I can forward the bug upstream and take a beating for my patch ;)
[23:11] <kklimonda> it should be fixed one way or another before freeze
[23:12] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I can test again useful of patch and I'll forward changes to bazaar
[23:13] <ari-tczew> I think that seb128 can review this one
[23:20] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: can you test one more patch?
[23:20] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: next patch? give it
[23:31] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: a sec, I'll see if it actually builds
[23:32] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: ok, I'm working also right now.
[23:44] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: http://pastebin.com/0186shZ0
[23:49] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I see that previous patch is useless. what's new in new patch?
[23:59] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I'll test patch tomorrow