[00:09] Riddell: hey :) - for me bug 625586 at the end (the installed system seems to work though) and 'try kubuntu' makes the installer show me a slideshow instead of giving me a live session [00:09] Launchpad bug 625586 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity killed by OOM killer" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625586 [00:09] other than that the new installer is great :P === claydoh|werk is now known as claydoh === claydoh is now known as claydoh|werk [04:18] apachelogger, ^ [05:03] Riddell, apachelogger, ScottK, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/+bug/627205 [05:03] Launchpad bug 627205 in plasma-mobile (Ubuntu) "plasma-mobile needs to be updated" [Undecided,New] [05:04] rbelem: Did you attach a patch? [05:04] wow [05:04] you were quick :-D [05:04] * ScottK thinks we should update it, but need the patch. [05:04] ScottK, yep [05:04] Excellent. [05:04] * ScottK is just heading to bed. [05:05] Maybe JontheEchidna could upload it and I could accept it in the morning? [05:05] Good night [05:06] ScottK, yep [05:06] ScottK, but i made a comment about qtwebkit [05:06] ScottK, i think that we need to update it too [05:07] * rbelem needs go to bed too [05:10] ScottK, but if we cannot update the qtwebkit to 2.1 then i already have the patch to make the updated plasma-mobile work [05:11] now i'm leaving [05:11] bye [05:11] g'night === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:16] so... [06:16] http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian [06:17] just follow that guide to start working on say, jingle support in kopete? [06:18] there was something mentioned about a project neon for nightly builds somewhere [06:26] installing kde-nightly now [06:32] hrm... [06:32] any ideas? [06:32] http://pastebin.com/PJXkm4WN [06:38] yofel: how did you get that screenshot? [06:38] I had the identical experience testing out the 64-bit kubuntu liveCD over the weekend [06:39] ybit: they have been working on getting Neon going again [06:39] valorie: it's not working? [06:39] I don't know the current state of it [06:39] it was not for a long time [06:41] https://launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/ppa [06:41] hmmm, that's old [06:46] hrm.. maybe i should just use the kde-svn stuff :| [06:47] there is nothing in my scrollback, and I don't see anything recent about neon in google [06:47] I think they are still in the talking stages with the KDE people [06:47] project neon sounded like a really awesome way of working on kde stuff [06:47] takes a lot of work to get something like that set up [06:47] hrm... [06:48] how much time, project neon has been around for about 2 years now [06:48] http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/482 [06:48] over 2 years [06:49] well, as I understand it, the maintainers ran out of time to keep it up-to-date [06:49] and no one stepped up to take it over [06:49] so, the supported method is now kde-svn/kde-build i'm assuming [06:50] heh: how to use: Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu jaunty main to your /etc/apt/sources.list file [06:50] * ybit starts to setup the kde dev environment via the kde-svn|build method [06:50] that's a bit out of date! [06:50] lol [06:50] yes [06:58] ybit: project neon originally was about getting nightly amarok builds [06:59] are you interested in Amarok, or in kubuntu nightly builds? [07:06] because if you want to build Amarok from git daily, it is a trivial job [07:06] I do it almost daily in 5 mins or so [07:50] Riddell: ping [08:15] Riddell: ping [08:30] agateau: pong [08:30] freeflying: pong [08:31] Riddell: hi, I have an update pending for Amarok MPRIS 2.0 support [08:31] Riddell: JontheEchidna started working on it, but I think it's stuck somewhere :) [08:31] (at least it does not show up on packages.ubuntu.com) [08:32] let me check unapproved [08:32] Riddell: the new patch is attached to the BR: bug ##617367 [08:32] mmm #617367 [08:32] mmm, this bot does not understand me: bug #617367 [08:32] Launchpad bug 617367 in VLC media player "mpris2 feature exception" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617367 [08:33] thanks ubottu :) [08:34] there's no upload in unapproved queue, let me get some breakfast and I'll upload it [08:34] Riddell: I also decided to call me an artist and drew new icons for the message indicator applet, not sure it's too late for those to go in [08:34] Riddell: they match much better with the new Plasma theme icons [08:35] great [08:36] Riddell: here is the thing: http://imagebin.ca/view/VrIi_wn.html [08:40] agateau: ooh shiny [08:41] Riddell: heh, now that you pinged me, here is how it looks when it needs attention: http://imagebin.ca/view/6lSmxH.html [08:46] bling [09:08] is anyone else having this problem? http://image.bayimg.com/kaooaaack.jpg [09:09] not the virtualbox error, the plasma desktop...notice how it's black and gray [09:09] or whatever you call that panel at the bottom [09:10] I've seen that plasma issue before, it happened randomly, I thought it had gone away [09:54] somehow nepomuk and/or virtuoso managed to lock up my system repeatedly [09:54] yofel: I reported bug 627284 [09:54] Launchpad bug 627284 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Try Kubuntu leads to slideshow not live CD" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627284 [10:00] ybit just resize your panel. This happens sometimes when you play 3D games with wine and i think it's because stuff you run has different resolution then your system one [10:04] oh oh oh [10:04] it turns out not nepocrap was freezing it was pulsesupercrap [10:05] * apachelogger likes how kubuntu seems to consit of mediocre unreliable crap [10:06] apachelogger: didn't you get your new puter? [10:06] yes I did, that does not change the fact that pulseaudio is made out of fail [10:08] I would like to argue the point, but there is a lot of evidence on your side [10:08] What? [10:08] bulldog98: kdeadmin already looks much better [10:09] valorie: a generally good concept does not help with broken implementation [10:09] also see nepomuk [10:09] also see akonadi (at least previous releases) [10:09] also see plasma (previous releases) [10:09] * valorie hands apachelogger the rose-colored glasses [10:10] bulldog98: you will need to merge the changelog entries under ubuntu1 though, no ppa suffix, that is only for upload [10:10] the bzr branch ought to contain the real version number the upload to the Ubuntu archives will carry + UNRELEASED as target series [10:12] bulldog98: you should not change 02_kuser_fist... btw, since it is only changing the patch head there is no gain but it will show up in bzr [10:16] bulldog98: -X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category=system-administration [10:16] +X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category=hardware [10:17] that change in the desktop file as introduced in kubuntu_01_system-config-printer-kde_fixes.diff should not have gone missing [10:17] it is not applied upstream [10:18] bulldog98: also, your changelog entries exceed 80 characters/line length which lintian will most likely go bonkers about [10:19] Riddell: ^ did you not backport the category change to 4.5 (in KDE)? [10:20] [plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831092033-q1xmntzwpq4nka25 * debian/changelog New upstream release [10:20] I don't remember [10:22] Riddell: nope, you didn't [10:22] I'll backport the remaining diff to 4.5 [10:22] thanks [10:27] [system-config-printer-kde] sitter * 1170237 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/system-config-printer-kde.desktop backport r1167379 put in the more appropriate hardware category [10:31] ohm [10:32] Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/options.py?revision=1167347&view=markup [10:32] note how line 136 and 145 are essentially equal [10:33] BUT [10:33] in KDE trunk and 4.5 you only changed the latter to unicode(each) [10:33] in our package however you changed only the former [10:33] Riddell: am I right in assuming that both should be unicode()? [10:33] (both lines) [10:36] apachelogger: yes you're right [10:36] oki [10:37] bulldog98: ^ please enhance our patch to change both lines ... currently we are only changing line 136 :) [10:38] [system-config-printer-kde] sitter * 1170241 * trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/options.py Addition to the PyQt 4.7 fixes of r1167347 [10:39] [system-config-printer-kde] sitter * 1170243 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/options.py Backport of r1170241 Addition to the PyQt 4.7 fixes of r1167347 [10:39] all aligned with upstream \o/ [10:40] bulldog98: if you want you can also add a remark that the patch can be dropped with 4.5.2 [10:43] did lex contact rdale about krossruby not building? [10:43] ah [10:43] CMake Warning at ruby/CMakeLists.txt:77 (if): [10:43] given arguments: [10:43] "ENABLE_KROSSRUBY" "AND" "RUBY_VERSION_MAJOR" "=" "1" "AND" "RUBY_VERSION_MINOR" "<" "9" [10:43] Unknown arguments specified [10:47] !find rbconfig [10:47] File rbconfig found in ironruby, jruby, jruby1.1, libfacets-ruby-doc, libfacets-ruby1.8 (and 6 others) [10:47] !find rbconfig maverick [10:47] File rbconfig found in ironruby, jruby, jruby1.1, libfacets-ruby-doc, libfacets-ruby1.8 (and 5 others) [10:47] -.- [10:48] jussi: could it not just list those 5 others? [10:49] apachelogger: its annoying yes, and it probably could, but i need to look into the code ans see why (configuration variable or hard coded) [10:50] IMHO it would be good to build an overall output string and then chop as many packages off until a IRC-suited length is reached [10:52] Riddell: do you know why kde packages aren't compressed with lzma on arm while qt4 is? [10:52] * apachelogger is wondering what argument from above is not known [10:54] debfx: I don't know, maybe it's in the pkg-kde-tools changelog? [10:54] !find rbuic4 maverick [10:54] File rbuic4 found in kdebindings-dbg, libqt4-ruby1.8 [10:54] debfx: that was requested by ScottK [11:16] [ruby] sitter * 1170252 * trunk/KDE/kdebindings/ruby/CMakeLists.txt apply r1161147 properly [11:17] [ruby] sitter * 1170253 * trunk/KDE/kdebindings/ruby/CMakeLists.txt Use proper cmake syntax (EQUAL, LESS...) when checking whether to build krossruby [11:18] [ruby] sitter * 1170254 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdebindings/ruby/CMakeLists.txt Backport r1170253 Use proper cmake syntax (EQUAL, LESS...) when checking whether to build krossruby [11:38] 'lo [11:46] wem [11:46] erm [11:47] who deleted qtcreator from beta backports? [11:47] apachelogger: ok that in fixed in git i think lemme check [11:49] seems not [11:50] apachelogger: disable the bookmarks toolbar for now to fix that ... [11:52] shadeslayer: I guess qtcreator should go into the non-beta backports ppa [11:52] debfx: not there either :P [11:52] debfx: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator << [11:52] under other versions [11:54] no qtcreator 2.0.1 for lucid :/ [11:54] and it was there a few weeks ago ... [11:56] shadeslayer: I just uploaded it to the backports ppa [12:01] awesome :) [12:04] wth is the problem with my connection today :/ [12:04] Riddell: btw when do we get to know if we are getting sponsorship to UDS? after the deadline for applying? [12:05] I've no idea [12:05] oh.. no problem :) [12:05] * shadeslayer goes back to watching HOUSE [12:06] it'll be after the deadline yes [12:06] shadeslayer: season 6? [12:06] nigelb: finished season 2 :P [12:06] i just started watching it [12:06] Warning: Its addictive. [12:06] i know [12:07] nigelb: i have 2 exams tommorow, i havent studied a thing, and im watching house [12:07] shadeslayer: Like I said 'Addictive' [12:08] nigelb: season 2 end was awesome :) [12:09] shadeslayer: all Finale's are awesome :) [12:09] nigelb: btw do you know about #ubuntu-youth ? :D [12:09] nope not much [12:28] apachelogger: unlock toobar > move the bookmarks toolbar down [12:39] shadeslayer: is that going to be part of the release notes? [12:39] "dear user, we decided to deploy broken software, please apply the following workarounds " [12:39] bookmarks toolbar isnt enabled by default [12:40] I know [12:40] so why is it there? [12:40] I certainly did not turn it on [12:40] you didnt turn it on? [12:40] no [12:40] at any rate [12:40] weird then [12:40] why would the bookmarks bar be there [12:40] where? [12:41] *next to* the toolbar [12:41] its a toolbar in itself [12:41] instead of *below* it [12:41] its not a action anymore, its a toolbar in itself now [12:41] and it gets added there by default.. [12:41] why is the toolbar in it self place next to another toolbar rather then below the other toolbar? [12:41] i have no idea [12:42] BUG [12:42] yoann21: ^ care to answer :) [12:42] apachelogger: have you removed all your rekonq config files? [12:42] also I should note that this did not happen ocne [12:42] *once [12:42] but twice [12:42] however I was not able to trigger this intentionally at all [12:42] debfx: I am on a totally new setup [12:42] also between first occurance and second I wiped all rekonq data [12:42] which fixed the issue [12:42] but then it came back [12:43] which makes me think that there is a bug [12:43] ha! [12:44] you must have enabled the bookmarks toolbar [12:44] shadeslayer: you said bookmarks bar is supposed to be off by default... [12:44] yes [12:44] it is here [12:44] ( as in its off by default here ) [12:44] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot2.png [12:44] riddle me this then [12:45] apachelogger: sudo for removing files in .kde? :O [12:45] I always do that to ensure that everything is dead for sure [12:45] hmm [12:45] let me guess [12:46] we have a patch that turns off the toolbar? [12:46] hi [12:46] hi apachelogger [12:46] dont think so [12:47] lo Varney o/ [12:47] am from Liberia [12:48] apachelogger: one sec [12:48] Riddell: your translations import to rekonq was a bit flawed btw ... +X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-network_rekonq [12:48] hi Varney [12:49] nixternal: new ubiquity slideshow in ubuntu desktop http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/new-slideshow-10.10.png [12:49] based on http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features [12:49] code at lp:~dylanmccall/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/maverick-ubuntu-design/ [12:49] dunno if we want to update the kubuntu one to something similar [12:50] apachelogger: where's that? [12:50] Riddell: debian-changes-0.5.80-0ubuntu1's rekonq.desktop [12:51] supposedly not causing problems, but I wonder how i ended up there considering that the clean target should nuke those lines [12:51] s/i ended/it ended [12:52] apachelogger: I think I had kubuntu-debhelper-langpack-generate.sh set up to add those bits but hadn't done the same to ubuntu-debhelper-langpack-clean.sh [12:52] hey apache [12:52] something is wrong in my system [12:53] apachelogger: even after removing all my rekonq* files i cant get a clean rekonq config, it always picks up the old one [12:54] Riddell: IIRC you did [12:54] it's importing stuff from konqueror [12:54] debfx: thanks for taking the lead on 4.5.1, I see upstream is about to release, I presume we're not ready to release anything yet [12:54] sed -i '/X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=/d' ${file}; [12:54] Riddell: it should be stripped [12:54] very odd [12:55] hi riddell [12:55] am new here [12:55] and love to learn [12:55] shadeslayer: maybe you are still running an instance of it? [12:55] i use the computer a lot. am a writer/poet [12:56] hold on [12:57] Varney: want to become an elite kubuntu developer? [12:57] yes. always willing to learn [12:58] hm [12:58] :O [12:58] rekonq uses konqueror's bookmark file? [12:58] apachelogger: nope i cant seem to reset it at all [12:58] apachelogger: to import the bookmarks i think [12:58] shadeslayer: maybe it just hates you as much as it hates me :P [12:58] who knows :P [12:58] shadeslayer: no, I only get bookmark access to the konqueror file [12:59] (which makes more sense than maintaining an own file anyway) [12:59] anyhow, this makes me wonder how much sense our kubuntu_04_no_default_bookmarks.diff patch has [12:59] shadeslayer: how do you know it does not want to restore? [12:59] shadeslayer: do you have a wrong kdeinit file again? [12:59] dont think so [13:00] Riddell: not yet, krossruby is not being built and I think kdeadmin isn't ready yet [13:00] i un installed those [13:00] the right one? :P [13:00] bulldog98 is doing kdeadmin i think [13:00] shadeslayer: find /usr/lib -name *rekonq* [13:00] debfx: also maverick is frozen and lucid packages aren't ready :) [13:00] apachelogger: yeah just one file [13:00] /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_rekonq.so [13:01] see [13:01] that is the wrong one [13:01] :P [13:01] shadeslayer: or are you using a package now? [13:01] Varney: what sort of stuff are you interested in helping with? we need coders, packagers, testers, documentation writers, translators, user helpers.. [13:01] apachelogger: yep [13:01] ah, ok [13:01] odd enough [13:01] * shadeslayer is quite puzzled [13:01] shadeslayer: so, how do you know it does not go back to defaults? [13:01] also ... which rekonq [13:02] because its the same config i was using on my git build [13:02] which i modified [13:02] apachelogger: /usr/bin/rekonq [13:02] Riddell: do not foget the artists [13:02] oh aye, them too [13:02] shadeslayer: the same config? how can you tell? [13:02] :O [13:03] how did ksystemlog get into kdeadmin [13:03] that code is seriously scary [13:03] apachelogger: 1) i set it to display no text, 2) i moved the bookmark below the urlbar [13:03] i added the configure wrench [13:05] 1) is defualt 2) ought to be default 3) is default? [13:05] isnt default afaik [13:05] atleast not on git it is [13:06] shadeslayer: move the bookmarks bar to the very bottom [13:06] if you cannot get rid of that by nuking the config then something is very wrong [13:06] why do we not showing the bookmarks bar by default anyway? [13:07] hmm seems to work [13:07] so i guess thats our patch [13:07] hey Riddell [13:08] shadeslayer: where is the bar supposed to be? [13:08] hm [13:08] oh [13:08] hihi [13:08] ksystemlog is cool [13:08] apachelogger: there -> http://imgur.com/FbG64 [13:08] not only does it apparently not know about the init list but also not what blocking a process means [13:09] shadeslayer: I do not understand, is the bookmarks bar not supposed to be there? [13:09] kde 4.5.1 in www/sites/www/info [13:09] it is supposed to be there [13:10] i think someone put patches there [13:10] so what is the problem?! :P [13:10] you had a problem! :D [13:11] yeah [13:11] that rekonq is crap [13:11] obviously [13:11] :P [13:15] hi rbelem [13:16] anyways [13:16] ill cya later [13:16] :-) [13:17] Riddell, i think that we can backport the declarative support to qtwebkit2.0 [13:17] WTF moment of today: open my GMail inbox and hear a funny song while it stays frozen. Did it happen to anyone else? [13:18] Riddell, afaik it is available only in 2.1 [13:20] rekonq/mainline.git [13:20] * apachelogger loves how that requires you to specify a meaningful name when cloning [13:21] rbelem: mm, you might be right [13:21] fabo: do you know if qt webkit 2.0 has qtdeclarative support? [13:22] shadeslayer: if rekonq had more pointless newlines in the code I would call the code ugly :P [13:23] QL1S() [13:23] there you have it [13:24] shadeslayer: ugly code it is [13:24] <3 macros that make no sense [13:25] shadeslayer: seems rekonq defaults to bookmarks bar on... we just patched away the default content [13:25] so the bar was still there [13:26] it was just empty [13:26] <3 patches [13:26] Riddell: could we not just have rekonq ship with default bookmarks? [13:26] wikipedia would be a good one [13:27] apachelogger: what would be the advantage of that? [13:28] Riddell: not having an empty yet visible bookmarks bar [13:28] can't we just set it hidden by default instead? [13:28] we can, but what advantage would that have for the user? [13:29] no pointless bookmarks toolbar :) [13:29] see, my fix would be better then, because mine would not require user to know where to turn on the bar [13:29] + know that there is one ;) [13:30] your fix would end up using up valiable screen space [13:31] and yet it is what all other browsers do I think [13:31] so there is merit to have the bar by default [13:31] first thing I turn off [13:32] well, I am sure there are users who use bookmarks :P [13:32] we could have the panel turned on by default [13:33] (since most screens these days are widescreen, we would not waste space but possibly even help with making lines more readable by preventing scalable sites from using 2048 pixels for a line of text) [13:35] * persia prefers to think of them as "insufficiently tall" [13:36] shadeslayer: btw, when is 0.6 target release date? [13:38] * Sput uses bookmarks [13:38] Riddell: ^ see [13:38] * apachelogger loves -j9 [13:47] apachelogger, :'( [13:48] rbelem: did you send the letter yet? [13:48] apachelogger, not yet, but i will :-) [13:53] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot3.png [13:53] ksysguard looks funky ^^ [13:54] Riddell: about ubuntuone ... I have a KDE UI for ubuntu-sso-client ready [13:54] BUT [13:54] ... [13:54] by weak design the backend of ubuntu-sso-client starts the UI as python module [13:55] which is not that much of a problem, since I also have SIP-featured bindings ready [13:55] BUT [13:55] by even weaker design the backend expects the UI to make (gobject) callbacks to backend (rather than going via dbus) [13:56] which is a bit of a problem, even with SIP because there cannot be no type conversion between a python callable function and a C function (i.e. one could also not just call them) [13:57] which adds a whole pile of madness to the SIP magic [13:57] anyhow, that is probably fixable by exposing the callback functions via dbus and have the kde ui call back via dbus [13:57] Riddell: I still need someone to create kwallet integration though [14:01] also, where should I put the source? create an ubuntuone-kde project? ... since it cannot be merged into ubuntuone-client [14:05] apachelogger: presumably it is a separate bit of code? in which case yes make a new project [14:06] Riddell: well, it just implements a GUI ontop of the gui-less bits of ubuntuone-client, which makes it a bit like knetworkmanager to networkmanager ;) [14:08] Riddell: ubuntuone-kde or ubuntuone-client-kde? [14:08] * apachelogger finds the latter a bit too long [14:09] oh [14:10] statik created https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde [14:10] he did? [14:11] says so at least [14:13] Riddell: should I take that one over? [14:13] I mean, technically it is very different anyway ;) [14:14] is there anything in it? [14:15] Riddell: an import of the old git branch I had for the tech preview I did [14:18] yeah take it over then [14:25] oki [14:26] txwikinger: do you think it would make sense (i.e. be worth the effort) to have a testdrive UI for KDE SC users? [14:45] Riddell: waiting for statik to call back [14:47] rbelem: should we be packaging this? http://www.opensource-usability-labs.com/opensource-usability-labs/2010/08/29/kontact-mobile-new-beta-out-for-public-testing/ [14:48] Riddell, yup [14:49] Riddell, do we have time for FFe it? [14:49]