[00:09] <yofel> Riddell: hey :) - for me bug 625586 at the end (the installed system seems to work though) and 'try kubuntu' makes the installer show me a slideshow instead of giving me a live session
[00:09] <yofel> other than that the new installer is great :P
[04:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, ^
[05:03] <rbelem> Riddell, apachelogger, ScottK, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mobile/+bug/627205
[05:04] <ScottK> rbelem: Did you attach a patch?
[05:04] <rbelem> wow
[05:04] <rbelem> you were quick :-D
[05:04]  * ScottK thinks we should update it, but need the patch.
[05:04] <rbelem> ScottK, yep
[05:04] <ScottK> Excellent.
[05:04]  * ScottK is just heading to bed.
[05:05] <ScottK> Maybe JontheEchidna could upload it and I could accept it in the morning?
[05:05] <ScottK> Good night
[05:06] <rbelem> ScottK, yep
[05:06] <rbelem> ScottK, but i made a comment about qtwebkit
[05:06] <rbelem> ScottK, i think that we need to update it too
[05:07]  * rbelem needs go to bed too
[05:10] <rbelem> ScottK, but if we cannot update the qtwebkit to 2.1 then i already have the patch to make the updated plasma-mobile work
[05:11] <rbelem> now i'm leaving
[05:11] <rbelem> bye
[05:11] <rbelem> g'night
[06:16] <ybit> so...
[06:16] <ybit> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian
[06:17] <ybit> just follow that guide to start working on say, jingle support in kopete?
[06:18] <ybit> there was something mentioned about a project neon for nightly builds somewhere
[06:26] <ybit> installing kde-nightly now
[06:32] <ybit> hrm...
[06:32] <ybit> any ideas?
[06:32] <ybit> http://pastebin.com/PJXkm4WN
[06:38] <valorie> yofel: how did you get that screenshot?
[06:38] <valorie> I had the identical experience testing out the 64-bit kubuntu liveCD over the weekend
[06:39] <valorie> ybit: they have been working on getting Neon going again
[06:39] <ybit> valorie: it's not working?
[06:39] <valorie> I don't know the current state of it
[06:39] <valorie> it was not for a long time
[06:41] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/ppa
[06:41] <valorie> hmmm, that's old
[06:46] <ybit> hrm.. maybe i should just use the kde-svn stuff :|
[06:47] <valorie> there is nothing in my scrollback, and I don't see anything recent about neon in google
[06:47] <valorie> I think they are still in the talking stages with the KDE people
[06:47] <ybit> project neon sounded like a really awesome way of working on kde stuff
[06:47] <valorie> takes a lot of work to get something like that set up
[06:47] <ybit> hrm...
[06:48] <ybit> how much time, project neon has been around for about 2 years now
[06:48] <ybit> http://amarok.kde.org/en/node/482
[06:48] <ybit> over 2 years
[06:49] <valorie> well, as I understand it, the maintainers ran out of time to keep it up-to-date
[06:49] <valorie> and no one stepped up to take it over
[06:49] <ybit> so, the supported method is now kde-svn/kde-build i'm assuming
[06:50] <valorie> heh: how to use: Add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu jaunty main to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[06:50]  * ybit starts to setup the kde dev environment via the kde-svn|build method
[06:50] <valorie> that's a bit out of date!
[06:50] <valorie> lol
[06:50] <valorie> yes
[06:58] <valorie> ybit: project neon originally was about getting nightly amarok builds
[06:59] <valorie> are you interested in Amarok, or in kubuntu nightly builds?
[07:06] <valorie> because if you want to build Amarok from git daily, it is a trivial job
[07:06] <valorie> I do it almost daily in 5 mins or so
[07:50] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[08:15] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[08:30] <Riddell> agateau: pong
[08:30] <Riddell> freeflying: pong
[08:31] <agateau> Riddell: hi, I have an update pending for Amarok MPRIS 2.0 support
[08:31] <agateau> Riddell: JontheEchidna started working on it, but I think it's stuck somewhere :)
[08:31] <agateau> (at least it does not show up on packages.ubuntu.com)
[08:32] <Riddell> let me check unapproved
[08:32] <agateau> Riddell: the new patch is attached to the BR: bug ##617367
[08:32] <agateau> mmm #617367
[08:32] <agateau> mmm, this bot does not understand me: bug #617367
[08:33] <agateau> thanks ubottu :)
[08:34] <Riddell> there's no upload in unapproved queue, let me get some breakfast and I'll upload it
[08:34] <agateau> Riddell: I also decided to call me an artist and drew new icons for the message indicator applet, not sure it's too late for those to go in
[08:34] <agateau> Riddell: they match much better with the new Plasma theme icons
[08:35] <Riddell> great
[08:36] <agateau> Riddell: here is the thing: http://imagebin.ca/view/VrIi_wn.html
[08:40] <Riddell> agateau: ooh shiny
[08:41] <agateau> Riddell: heh, now that you pinged me, here is how it looks when it needs attention: http://imagebin.ca/view/6lSmxH.html
[08:46] <Riddell> bling
[09:08] <ybit> is anyone else having this problem? http://image.bayimg.com/kaooaaack.jpg
[09:09] <ybit> not the virtualbox error, the plasma desktop...notice how it's black and gray
[09:09] <ybit> or whatever you call that panel at the bottom
[09:10] <Riddell> I've seen that plasma issue before, it happened randomly, I thought it had gone away
[09:54] <apachelogger> somehow nepomuk and/or virtuoso managed to lock up my system repeatedly 
[09:54] <Riddell> yofel: I reported bug 627284
[10:00] <sheytan> ybit just resize your panel. This happens sometimes when you play 3D games with wine and i think it's because stuff you run has different resolution then your system one
[10:04] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[10:04] <apachelogger> it turns out not nepocrap was freezing it was pulsesupercrap
[10:05]  * apachelogger likes how kubuntu seems to consit of mediocre unreliable crap
[10:06] <valorie> apachelogger: didn't you get your new puter?
[10:06] <apachelogger> yes I did, that does not change the fact that pulseaudio is made out of fail
[10:08] <valorie> I would like to argue the point, but there is a lot of evidence on your side
[10:08] <persia> What?
[10:08] <apachelogger> bulldog98: kdeadmin already looks much better
[10:09] <apachelogger> valorie: a generally good concept does not help with broken implementation
[10:09] <apachelogger> also see nepomuk
[10:09] <apachelogger> also see akonadi (at least previous releases)
[10:09] <apachelogger> also see plasma (previous releases)
[10:09]  * valorie hands apachelogger the rose-colored glasses
[10:10] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you will need to merge the changelog entries under ubuntu1 though, no ppa suffix, that is only for upload
[10:10] <apachelogger> the bzr branch ought to contain the real version number the upload to the Ubuntu archives will carry + UNRELEASED as target series
[10:12] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you should not change 02_kuser_fist... btw, since it is only changing the patch head there is no gain but it will show up in bzr
[10:16] <apachelogger> bulldog98: -X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category=system-administration
[10:16] <apachelogger> +X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category=hardware
[10:17] <apachelogger> that change in the desktop file as introduced in kubuntu_01_system-config-printer-kde_fixes.diff should not have gone missing
[10:17] <apachelogger> it is not applied upstream
[10:18] <apachelogger> bulldog98: also, your changelog entries exceed 80 characters/line length which lintian will most likely go bonkers about
[10:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ did you not backport the category change to 4.5 (in KDE)?
[10:20] <CIA-71> [plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831092033-q1xmntzwpq4nka25 * debian/changelog New upstream release
[10:20] <Riddell> I don't remember
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope, you didn't
[10:22] <apachelogger> I'll backport the remaining diff to 4.5
[10:22] <Riddell> thanks
[10:27] <CIA-71> [system-config-printer-kde] sitter * 1170237 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/system-config-printer-kde.desktop backport r1167379 put in the more appropriate hardware category
[10:31] <apachelogger> ohm
[10:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/options.py?revision=1167347&view=markup
[10:32] <apachelogger> note how line 136 and 145 are essentially equal
[10:33] <apachelogger> BUT
[10:33] <apachelogger> in KDE trunk and 4.5 you only changed the latter to unicode(each)
[10:33] <apachelogger> in our package however you changed only the former
[10:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: am I right in assuming that both should be unicode()?
[10:33] <apachelogger> (both lines)
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes you're right
[10:36] <apachelogger> oki
[10:37] <apachelogger> bulldog98: ^ please enhance our patch to change both lines ... currently we are only changing line 136 :)
[10:38] <CIA-71> [system-config-printer-kde] sitter * 1170241 * trunk/KDE/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/options.py Addition to the PyQt 4.7 fixes of r1167347
[10:39] <CIA-71> [system-config-printer-kde] sitter * 1170243 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdeadmin/system-config-printer-kde/options.py Backport of r1170241 Addition to the PyQt 4.7 fixes of r1167347
[10:39] <apachelogger> all aligned with upstream \o/
[10:40] <apachelogger> bulldog98: if you want you can also add a remark that the patch can be dropped with 4.5.2
[10:43] <apachelogger> did lex contact rdale about krossruby not building?
[10:43] <apachelogger> ah
[10:43] <apachelogger> CMake Warning at ruby/CMakeLists.txt:77 (if):
[10:43] <apachelogger>   given arguments:
[10:43] <apachelogger>     "ENABLE_KROSSRUBY" "AND" "RUBY_VERSION_MAJOR" "=" "1" "AND" "RUBY_VERSION_MINOR" "<" "9"
[10:43] <apachelogger>   Unknown arguments specified
[10:47] <apachelogger> !find rbconfig
[10:47] <apachelogger> !find rbconfig maverick
[10:47] <apachelogger> -.-
[10:48] <apachelogger> jussi: could it not just list those 5 others?
[10:49] <jussi> apachelogger: its annoying yes, and it probably could, but i need to look into the code ans see why (configuration variable or hard coded)
[10:50] <apachelogger> IMHO it would be good to build an overall output string and then chop as many packages off until a IRC-suited length is reached
[10:52] <debfx> Riddell: do you know why kde packages aren't compressed with lzma on arm while qt4 is?
[10:52]  * apachelogger is wondering what argument from above is not known
[10:54] <Riddell> debfx: I don't know, maybe it's in the pkg-kde-tools changelog?
[10:54] <apachelogger> !find rbuic4 maverick
[10:54] <apachelogger> debfx: that was requested by ScottK
[11:16] <CIA-71> [ruby] sitter * 1170252 * trunk/KDE/kdebindings/ruby/CMakeLists.txt apply r1161147 properly
[11:17] <CIA-71> [ruby] sitter * 1170253 * trunk/KDE/kdebindings/ruby/CMakeLists.txt Use proper cmake syntax (EQUAL, LESS...) when checking whether to build krossruby
[11:18] <CIA-71> [ruby] sitter * 1170254 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdebindings/ruby/CMakeLists.txt Backport r1170253 Use proper cmake syntax (EQUAL, LESS...) when checking whether to build krossruby
[11:38] <shadeslayer> 'lo
[11:46] <shadeslayer> wem
[11:46] <shadeslayer> erm
[11:47] <shadeslayer> who deleted qtcreator from beta backports?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok that in fixed in git i think lemme check 
[11:49] <shadeslayer> seems not
[11:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: disable the bookmarks toolbar for now to fix that ... 
[11:52] <debfx> shadeslayer: I guess qtcreator should go into the non-beta backports ppa
[11:52] <shadeslayer> debfx: not there either :P
[11:52] <shadeslayer> debfx: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator <<
[11:52] <shadeslayer> under other versions
[11:54] <shadeslayer> no qtcreator 2.0.1 for lucid :/
[11:54] <shadeslayer> and it was there a few weeks ago ...
[11:56] <debfx> shadeslayer: I just uploaded it to the backports ppa
[12:01] <shadeslayer> awesome :)
[12:04] <shadeslayer> wth is the problem with my connection today :/
[12:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw when do we get to know if we are getting sponsorship to UDS? after the deadline for applying?
[12:05] <Riddell> I've no idea
[12:05] <shadeslayer> oh.. no problem :)
[12:05]  * shadeslayer goes back to watching HOUSE
[12:06] <Riddell> it'll be after the deadline yes
[12:06] <nigelb> shadeslayer: season 6?
[12:06] <shadeslayer> nigelb: finished season 2 :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> i just started watching it 
[12:06] <nigelb> Warning:  Its addictive.
[12:06] <shadeslayer> i know
[12:07] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i have 2 exams tommorow, i havent studied a thing, and im watching house
[12:07] <nigelb> shadeslayer: Like I said 'Addictive'
[12:08] <shadeslayer> nigelb: season 2 end was awesome :)
[12:09] <nigelb> shadeslayer: all Finale's are awesome :)
[12:09] <shadeslayer> nigelb: btw do you know about #ubuntu-youth ? :D
[12:09] <nigelb> nope not much
[12:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: unlock toobar > move the bookmarks toolbar down
[12:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is that going to be part of the release notes?
[12:39] <apachelogger> "dear user, we decided to deploy broken software, please apply the following workarounds <insert list here>"
[12:39] <shadeslayer> bookmarks toolbar isnt enabled by default
[12:40] <apachelogger> I know
[12:40] <apachelogger> so why is it there?
[12:40] <apachelogger> I certainly did not turn it on
[12:40] <shadeslayer> you didnt turn it on? 
[12:40] <apachelogger> no
[12:40] <apachelogger> at any rate
[12:40] <shadeslayer> weird then
[12:40] <apachelogger> why would the bookmarks bar be there
[12:40] <shadeslayer> where?
[12:41] <apachelogger> *next to* the toolbar
[12:41] <shadeslayer> its a toolbar in itself
[12:41] <apachelogger> instead of *below* it
[12:41] <shadeslayer> its not a action anymore, its a toolbar in itself now
[12:41] <shadeslayer> and it gets added there by default..
[12:41] <apachelogger> why is the toolbar in it self place next to another toolbar rather then below the other toolbar?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> i have no idea
[12:42] <apachelogger> BUG
[12:42] <shadeslayer> yoann21: ^ care to answer :)
[12:42] <debfx> apachelogger: have you removed all your rekonq config files?
[12:42] <apachelogger> also I should note that this did not happen ocne
[12:42] <apachelogger> *once
[12:42] <apachelogger> but twice
[12:42] <apachelogger> however I was not able to trigger this intentionally at all
[12:42] <apachelogger> debfx: I am on a totally new setup
[12:42] <apachelogger> also between first occurance and second I wiped all rekonq data
[12:42] <apachelogger> which fixed the issue
[12:42] <apachelogger> but then it came back
[12:43] <apachelogger> which makes me think that there is a bug
[12:43] <apachelogger> ha!
[12:44] <shadeslayer> you must have enabled the bookmarks toolbar
[12:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you said bookmarks bar is supposed to be off by default...
[12:44] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:44] <shadeslayer> it is here
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ( as in its off by default here )
[12:44] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot2.png
[12:44] <apachelogger> riddle me this then
[12:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sudo for removing files in .kde? :O
[12:45] <apachelogger> I always do that to ensure that everything is dead for sure
[12:45] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:45] <apachelogger> let me guess
[12:46] <apachelogger> we have a patch that turns off the toolbar?
[12:46] <Varney> hi
[12:46] <Varney> hi apachelogger
[12:46] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[12:47] <apachelogger> lo Varney o/
[12:47] <Varney> am from Liberia
[12:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one sec
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: your translations import to rekonq was a bit flawed btw ... +X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-network_rekonq
[12:48] <Riddell> hi Varney 
[12:49] <Riddell> nixternal: new ubiquity slideshow in ubuntu desktop http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/new-slideshow-10.10.png
[12:49] <Riddell> based on http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features
[12:49] <Riddell> code at lp:~dylanmccall/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/maverick-ubuntu-design/
[12:49] <Riddell> dunno if we want to update the kubuntu one to something similar
[12:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: where's that?
[12:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: debian-changes-0.5.80-0ubuntu1's rekonq.desktop
[12:51] <apachelogger> supposedly not causing problems, but I wonder how i ended up there considering that the clean target should nuke those lines
[12:51] <apachelogger> s/i ended/it ended
[12:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think I had kubuntu-debhelper-langpack-generate.sh set up to add those bits but hadn't done the same to ubuntu-debhelper-langpack-clean.sh
[12:52] <Varney> hey apache
[12:52] <shadeslayer> something is wrong in my system
[12:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: even after removing all my rekonq* files i cant get a clean rekonq config, it always picks up the old one
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: IIRC you did
[12:54] <Sput> it's importing stuff from konqueror
[12:54] <Riddell> debfx: thanks for taking the lead on 4.5.1, I see upstream is about to release, I presume we're not ready to release anything yet
[12:54] <apachelogger>         sed -i '/X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=/d' ${file};
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: it should be stripped
[12:54] <apachelogger> very odd
[12:55] <Varney> hi riddell
[12:55] <Varney> am new here
[12:55] <Varney> and love to learn
[12:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe you are still running an instance of it?
[12:55] <Varney> i use the computer a lot. am a writer/poet
[12:56] <shadeslayer> hold on
[12:57] <Riddell> Varney: want to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[12:57] <Varney> yes. always willing to learn
[12:58] <apachelogger> hm
[12:58] <apachelogger> :O
[12:58] <apachelogger> rekonq uses konqueror's bookmark file?
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope i cant seem to reset it at all
[12:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: to import the bookmarks i think
[12:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe it just hates you as much as it hates me :P
[12:58] <shadeslayer> who knows :P
[12:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, I only get bookmark access to the konqueror file
[12:59] <apachelogger> (which makes more sense than maintaining an own file anyway)
[12:59] <apachelogger> anyhow, this makes me wonder how much sense our kubuntu_04_no_default_bookmarks.diff patch has
[12:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how do you know it does not want to restore?
[12:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have a wrong kdeinit file again?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[13:00] <debfx> Riddell: not yet, krossruby is not being built and I think kdeadmin isn't ready yet
[13:00] <shadeslayer> i un installed those
[13:00] <apachelogger> the right one? :P
[13:00] <shadeslayer> bulldog98 is doing kdeadmin i think
[13:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: find /usr/lib -name *rekonq*
[13:00] <Riddell> debfx: also maverick is frozen and lucid packages aren't ready :)
[13:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah just one file
[13:00] <shadeslayer> /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_rekonq.so
[13:01] <apachelogger> see
[13:01] <apachelogger> that is the wrong one
[13:01] <apachelogger> :P
[13:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: or are you using a package now?
[13:01] <Riddell> Varney: what sort of stuff are you interested in helping with?  we need coders, packagers, testers, documentation writers, translators, user helpers..
[13:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yep
[13:01] <apachelogger> ah, ok
[13:01] <apachelogger> odd enough
[13:01]  * shadeslayer is quite puzzled
[13:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, how do you know it does not go back to defaults?
[13:01] <apachelogger> also ... which rekonq
[13:02] <shadeslayer> because its the same config i was using on my git build
[13:02] <shadeslayer> which i modified
[13:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: /usr/bin/rekonq
[13:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: do not foget the artists 
[13:02] <Riddell> oh aye, them too
[13:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the same config? how can you tell?
[13:02] <apachelogger> :O
[13:03] <apachelogger> how did ksystemlog get into kdeadmin
[13:03] <apachelogger> that code is seriously scary
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 1) i set it to display no text, 2) i moved the bookmark below the urlbar
[13:03] <shadeslayer> i added the configure wrench
[13:05] <apachelogger> 1) is defualt 2) ought to be default 3) is default?
[13:05] <shadeslayer> isnt default afaik
[13:05] <shadeslayer> atleast not on git it is
[13:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: move the bookmarks bar to the very bottom
[13:06] <apachelogger> if you cannot get rid of that by nuking the config then something is very wrong
[13:06] <apachelogger> why do we not showing the bookmarks bar by default anyway?
[13:07] <shadeslayer> hmm seems to work 
[13:07] <shadeslayer> so i guess thats our patch
[13:07] <rbelem> hey Riddell 
[13:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where is the bar supposed to be?
[13:08] <apachelogger> hm
[13:08] <apachelogger> oh
[13:08] <apachelogger> hihi
[13:08] <apachelogger> ksystemlog is cool
[13:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there -> http://imgur.com/FbG64
[13:08] <apachelogger> not only does it apparently not know about the init list but also not what blocking a process means
[13:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not understand, is the bookmarks bar not supposed to be there?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> kde 4.5.1 in www/sites/www/info
[13:09] <shadeslayer> it is supposed to be there
[13:10] <shadeslayer> i think someone put patches there
[13:10] <apachelogger> so what is the problem?! :P
[13:10] <shadeslayer> you had a problem! :D
[13:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:11] <apachelogger> that rekonq is crap
[13:11] <apachelogger> obviously
[13:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:15] <Riddell> hi rbelem 
[13:16] <shadeslayer> anyways
[13:16] <shadeslayer> ill cya later
[13:16] <rbelem> :-)
[13:17] <rbelem> Riddell, i think that we can backport the declarative support to qtwebkit2.0
[13:17] <eMyller> WTF moment of today: open my GMail inbox and hear a funny song while it stays frozen. Did it happen to anyone else?
[13:18] <rbelem> Riddell, afaik it is available only in 2.1
[13:20] <apachelogger> rekonq/mainline.git
[13:20]  * apachelogger loves how that requires you to specify a meaningful name when cloning
[13:21] <Riddell> rbelem: mm, you might be right
[13:21] <Riddell> fabo: do you know if qt webkit 2.0 has qtdeclarative support?
[13:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if rekonq had more pointless newlines in the code I would call the code ugly :P
[13:23] <apachelogger> QL1S()
[13:23] <apachelogger> there you have it
[13:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ugly code it is
[13:24] <apachelogger> <3 macros that make no sense
[13:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems rekonq defaults to bookmarks bar on... we just patched away the default content
[13:25] <apachelogger> so the bar was still there
[13:26] <apachelogger> it was just empty
[13:26] <apachelogger> <3 patches
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: could we not just have rekonq ship with default bookmarks?
[13:26] <apachelogger> wikipedia would be a good one
[13:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: what would be the advantage of that?
[13:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: not having an empty yet visible bookmarks bar
[13:28] <Riddell> can't we just set it hidden by default instead?
[13:28] <apachelogger> we can, but what advantage would that have for the user?
[13:29] <Riddell> no pointless bookmarks toolbar :)
[13:29] <apachelogger> see, my fix would be better then, because mine would not require user to know where to turn on the bar
[13:29] <apachelogger> + know that there is one ;)
[13:30] <Riddell> your fix would end up using up valiable screen space
[13:31] <apachelogger> and yet it is what all other browsers do I think
[13:31] <apachelogger> so there is merit to have the bar by default
[13:31] <Riddell> first thing I turn off
[13:32] <apachelogger> well, I am sure there are users who use bookmarks :P
[13:32] <apachelogger> we could have the panel turned on by default
[13:33] <apachelogger> (since most screens these days are widescreen, we would not waste space but possibly even help with making lines more readable by preventing scalable sites from using 2048 pixels for a line of text)
[13:35]  * persia prefers to think of them as "insufficiently tall"
[13:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, when is 0.6 target release date?
[13:38]  * Sput uses bookmarks
[13:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ see
[13:38]  * apachelogger loves -j9
[13:47] <rbelem> apachelogger, :'(
[13:48] <apachelogger> rbelem: did you send the letter yet?
[13:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, not yet, but i will :-)
[13:53] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot3.png
[13:53] <apachelogger> ksysguard looks funky ^^
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: about ubuntuone ... I have a KDE UI for ubuntu-sso-client ready
[13:54] <apachelogger> BUT
[13:54] <Riddell> ...
[13:54] <apachelogger> by weak design the backend of ubuntu-sso-client starts the UI as python module
[13:55] <apachelogger> which is not that much of a problem, since I also have SIP-featured bindings ready
[13:55] <apachelogger> BUT
[13:55] <apachelogger> by even weaker design the backend expects the UI to make (gobject) callbacks to backend (rather than going via dbus)
[13:56] <apachelogger> which is a bit of a problem, even with SIP because there cannot be no type conversion between a python callable function and a C function (i.e. one could also not just call them)
[13:57] <apachelogger> which adds a whole pile of madness to the SIP magic
[13:57] <apachelogger> anyhow, that is probably fixable by exposing the callback functions via dbus and have the kde ui call back via dbus
[13:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still need someone to create kwallet integration though
[14:01] <apachelogger> also, where should I put the source? create an ubuntuone-kde project? ...  since it cannot be merged into ubuntuone-client
[14:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: presumably it is a separate bit of code?  in which case yes make a new project
[14:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it just implements a GUI ontop of the gui-less bits of ubuntuone-client, which makes it a bit like knetworkmanager to networkmanager ;)
[14:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: ubuntuone-kde or ubuntuone-client-kde?
[14:08]  * apachelogger finds the latter a bit too long
[14:09] <apachelogger> oh
[14:10] <apachelogger> statik created https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde
[14:10] <Riddell> he did?
[14:11] <apachelogger> says so at least
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: should I take that one over?
[14:13] <apachelogger> I mean, technically it is very different anyway ;)
[14:14] <Riddell> is there anything in it?
[14:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: an import of the old git branch I had for the tech preview I did 
[14:18] <Riddell> yeah take it over then
[14:25] <apachelogger> oki
[14:26] <apachelogger> txwikinger: do you think it would make sense (i.e. be worth the effort) to have a testdrive UI for KDE SC users?
[14:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: waiting for statik to call back
[14:47] <Riddell> rbelem: should we be packaging this? http://www.opensource-usability-labs.com/opensource-usability-labs/2010/08/29/kontact-mobile-new-beta-out-for-public-testing/
[14:48] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[14:49] <rbelem> Riddell, do we have time for FFe it?
[14:49] <Riddell> yes, as long as it's plastered with "beta release" in the description
[14:49] <Riddell> and as long as upstream even want us to package it
[14:50] <rbelem> Riddell, yeah, we need to check this. do you know the kolab guys?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bookmark this : http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Schedule :P
[14:54] <Riddell> rbelem: we're in touch with kolabsys
[14:54] <rbelem> cool!
[14:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pim beta 3 uploaded
[14:55] <shadeslayer> ( to ktown that is )
[14:55] <rbelem> Riddell, so, i think we can push the packages to the repos
[14:55] <shadeslayer> ill have a look tomorrow, but if someone can work on them today its fine with me
[14:56] <Riddell> rbelem: hmm, do we want plasma-mobile in main?  bug 626583
[14:57] <Riddell> I thought we were going to keep it in universe
[14:57] <rbelem> Riddell, me too
[14:57] <rbelem> Riddell, but persia thinks this is a better solution for other bug
[14:58] <Riddell> yes I see
[15:03] <txwikinger> apachelogger: sounds cool
[15:03] <txwikinger> what kind of UI? Qt, or commandline?
[15:06] <apachelogger> KDE
[15:07] <apachelogger> there is already a commandline if I think
[15:07]  * apachelogger never used testdrive, so...
[15:08] <apachelogger> Another application seems to be using the package system at this time. You must close all other package managers before you will be able to install or remove any packages.
[15:08] <apachelogger> :(
[15:08] <apachelogger> yet I see none
[15:08] <apachelogger> oh
[15:08] <apachelogger>  rekonq-dbg : Depends: rekonq (= 0.5.80-0ubuntu1) but 0.5.80+83-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[15:08] <apachelogger> no jonny around :S
[15:09] <Riddell> yay, lucid to maverick upgrade works
[15:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wonder how long thats going to happen :P
[15:13]  * rbelem is going to work
[16:14] <Riddell> beta candidates need testing http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[16:22] <stalcup> did someone say ninja?
[16:24] <Riddell> stalcup: quite likely, 4.5.1 is needing packaged https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[16:25] <Kolia> hi
[16:25] <Kolia> does someone know if the fix of this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246689
[16:26] <Kolia> went in Kubuntu?
[16:27] <nixternal> Riddell: I like the new slideshow...I take it you want something similar?
[16:28] <Riddell> Kolia: it'll be in 4.5.1
[16:28] <Riddell> nixternal: always nice to keep up with the neighbours I suppose
[16:29] <Kolia> Riddell: thanks :)
[16:34] <dantti_work> Riddell: is there a problem to ship a 2.5mb db with kpk?
[16:35] <dantti_work> in the future app-install-data should have it, this file is the app-install db that we talked about at UDS
[16:37] <Riddell> dantti_work: where does the data come from?
[16:38] <dantti_work> app-install creates this db with the app-install-data package
[16:39] <Riddell> dantti_work: can it not do that at package install time?
[16:39] <dantti_work> Riddell: 35minutes to create that :P
[16:39] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’m back again
[16:40] <dantti_work> tough it could be much faster richard seems not to worry since he thinks it's best to ship a package with this data, like software center does by depending on app-install-data
[16:40] <Riddell> dantti_work: well aye should be ok, we have space on the CD this cycle
[16:41] <Riddell> but I don't know how it could take 35 minutes to read some .desktop files and turn them into another format 
[16:42] <dantti_work> simple, execute for each .desktop file an app that open the sqlite  parses ALL the file and then closes, and then repeat that for each .desktop
[16:43] <dantti_work> if it could let the db opened and just keep inserting it would be much faster, he didn't like my first proposal
[16:43] <ScottK> Did plasma-mobile get updated?
[16:45] <Riddell> dantti_work: oh well, we can live with it then :)
[16:45] <Riddell> ScottK: no it needs qtwebkit with qt declarative bindings first I believe
[16:46] <ScottK> Riddell: rbelem said something in #kubuntu-mobile last night about having an alternate patch if qtwebkit couldn't be updated.
[16:46] <dantti_work> Riddell: hopefully sw center will use this data too so probably app-install-data will drop it's .desktop files and add this db
[16:46] <ScottK> Unfortunately it was after I went to bed.
[16:47] <ScottK> Do we have a candidate live ISO yet?
[16:48] <persia> ScottK, Images just available on cdimage from ~55 minutes back
[16:48] <ScottK> persia: Thanks.
[16:48]  * ScottK broke his netbook last week and has been waiting for beta to fix it.
[16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: I think he has a patch to qtwebkit 2.0 to add qtdeclarative support
[16:51] <ScottK> I see.
[16:52] <Riddell> ScottK: yes ISOs are up for testing
[16:52] <ScottK> I guess we'll have to wait for him to reappear.
[16:52] <ScottK> OK.  Downloading now.
[16:53] <ScottK> Tm_T or Tm_Tr: Whichever you are, are you available for powerpc beta testing?
[16:54] <dantti_work> Riddell: btw ScanDesktopFiles is false in PackageKit
[16:55] <Riddell> dantti_work: what does that mean?
[16:56] <dantti_work> Riddell: that means that PK won't scan for .desktop files and won't show icons for installed apps
[16:57] <Riddell> dantti_work: ok I can enable that after beta on Thursday
[16:57] <dantti_work> Riddell: thanks
[16:57] <glatzor> Riddell, dantti_work, hello, it is disabled because of speed issues.
[16:58] <dantti_work> glatzor: it's very fast here
[16:58] <glatzor> Riddell, dantti_work, perhaps it is faster with the aptcc backend. 
[16:58] <glatzor> Riddell, dantti_work It makes a lot of packagekit sub queries to get the packages which contain the executable of the desktop file
[16:59] <dantti_work> I think it probably is because one the linstaler dev uses SearchFile a lot and he said it's much faster with aptcc, and ScanForDesktopFiles uses that a lot
[17:00] <dantti_work> glatzor: when the db is empty it takes a bit more but once it's created, just a few seconds
[17:01] <glatzor> dantti_work, I haven't checked. since it was really slow on the first run.
[17:02] <glatzor> dantti_work, do you want to enhance the simple database schema?
[17:02] <dantti_work> glatzor, Riddell well maybe we should let it be false after I add the app-install support, this way I'll only query one db which surely has the package info
[17:02] <glatzor> dantti_work, software-center uses some additional fields in the desktop files
[17:03] <glatzor> which are not covered by the app-install-data draft
[17:03] <dantti_work> glatzor: sure, that draft imo should contain a table that could handle any kind of data
[17:04] <dantti_work> like package_id, data_type and data
[17:11] <nixternal> Riddell: what is our default browser for mav?
[17:12] <ScottK> nixternal: rekonq.
[17:12] <nixternal> ScottK: thanks!
[17:15] <dantti_work> glatzor: we should talk with Richard tomorow so that the app-install can have it's v2 and we don't have to keep duplicated data. BTW I already wrote an script to call apt-install to create the db if you want to try it
[17:16] <Tm_T> ScottK: I suppose (:
[17:20] <ScottK> Tm_T: I suspect we're at least one more respin away from having something ~final.  I'll ping you when it's ready.
[17:20] <Tm_T> ScottK: nice, I'll try to be around
[17:52] <glatzor> dantti_work, you should talk with mvo about this
[18:04] <maco> apachelogger: the computer that never had gnome-keyring still wont sync. always says "trying to establish a connection" :-/ so umm you said there are 2 things to make sure are going before statusnotifier starts right? what are they?
[18:05] <apachelogger> they recently broke kwallet support
[18:05] <maco> boo!
[18:05] <apachelogger> and unless someone who accepts the contributor agreement adds new stuff upstream I doubt it will ever work again
[18:05] <maco> :((((
[18:06]  * Riddell nudges maco into doing so
[18:06] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm not having high hopes for this ubiquity build
[18:07]  * maco looks at Riddell and whimpers
[18:08] <mfraz74> wish I had the patience to get into programming and help out a bit
[18:08] <maco> apachelogger:  is it your code that needs to be mashed to fit what "they" broke or is it their code that you say is icky that needs to be mashed?
[18:10] <mfraz74> Any idea why Quassel in Maverick doesn't seem to format line breaks properly?
[18:10] <ScottK> claydoh: Please make sure that bug 608382 is mentioned in our release notes for beta.
[18:10] <ScottK> mfraz74: Qt bug, IIRC.
[18:10] <mfraz74> ScottK: Oh
[18:10] <bulldog98> apachelogger: what was wrong on the bzr patch?
[18:11] <mfraz74> At least I can do stuff in Konsole now without xorg crashing on me
[18:13] <apachelogger> maco: it needs to be redone since they essentially reinvented their sign in thing
[18:13] <apachelogger> bulldog98: see backlog
[18:13] <maco> oh hell
[18:14]  * nixternal whistles and praises *dropbox* :p
[18:15] <nixternal> though it would be nice to have the u1 stuff working and have a music store plugin
[18:16] <mfraz74> u1 is sort of working now, not sure about a music store plugin for amarok though
[18:17] <maco> mfraz74: not written yet
[18:17] <maco> and i'm inclined to believe apachelogger about brokenness with u1 on kde seeing as he wrote it
[18:18] <mfraz74> maco: i've managed to log into u1 and sync files, but with a recent update i get a crash notification everytime i boot
[18:24] <maco> i sync'd some files a few weeks ago up from one computer, but cant sync down to this one
[18:24] <bulldog98> apachelogger: to the kuser… patch: debuild won’t work if you don’t change head
[18:25] <maco> apachelogger: where's your bzr branch?
[18:25] <maco> apachelogger: and where's their api docs?
[18:25] <apachelogger> haha
[18:25] <apachelogger> hahaha
[18:25] <apachelogger> api docs
[18:25] <apachelogger> rofl
[18:25] <apachelogger> docs
[18:25] <maco> ah hell
[18:25] <apachelogger> roflmao
[18:26] <bulldog98> apachelogger: also the resetting of the category has be done in the package
[18:26]  * maco throws erasers at some canonifolk
[18:26] <maco> Riddell: erasers are soft and rubbery, therefore it's not violence :)
[18:26] <apachelogger> maco: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu-sso-client/trunk
[18:26] <apachelogger> that is thei client implementation
[18:27] <apachelogger> from what I have seen http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu-sso-client/trunk/annotate/head:/ubuntu_sso/keyring.py is the file we need a kwallet version of 
[18:27] <apachelogger> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntu-sso-client/kdeui
[18:27] <apachelogger> and that is the new KDE ui I am working on
[18:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll look for that
[18:28] <apachelogger> bulldog98: what is with the category?
[18:28] <maco> apachelogger: "new"? newer than what you had 2 weeks ago? O_o
[18:28] <apachelogger> bulldog98: how can thate be done *in the package*?
[18:28] <bulldog98> apachelogger: mistake from my side
[18:28] <apachelogger> maco: I coded non-stop last week and shook a completely new GUI out my sleeve
[18:29] <apachelogger> maco: since the other thing really did not have a, but was using the website to get authentication
[18:29] <maco> i see
[18:29] <maco> any of you seen Dexter? i'm in a forensic science class... i keep thinking of Dexter
[18:30] <nixternal> how do i use update-notifier-kde right now to update to maverick? i don't want to do the s/lucid/maverick/ way
[18:34] <Riddell> nixternal: do-release-upgrade -m desktop
[18:36] <maco> -m? O_o
[18:36] <maco> huh. funky.
[18:36] <maco> dont you need a -d in there to go to devel version?
[18:37] <nixternal> maco: yeah
[18:48] <bulldog98> apachelogger: the second line is changed in the 4.5.1
[18:56] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Yes there is a commandline UI, but last time I checked, it did not have any Kubuntu entries in it
[19:00] <ScottK> claydoh_: You are doing release notes, right?
[19:12] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I’ll send you the new bzr diff and you can tell me if I should upload it
[19:16] <bulldog98> apachelogger: you got mail
[19:26] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ping
[19:37] <apachelogger> txwikinger: ah, well, I suppose that should not be too difficult to take care of
[19:37] <apachelogger> bulldog98: what second line?
[19:37] <apachelogger> com
[19:37] <txwikinger> apachelogger: yeah.. just never got to it :D
[19:40] <apachelogger> txwikinger: I am sure if you ask kirkland nicely he will add kubuntu ;)
[19:40] <txwikinger> :)
[19:44] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you still exceed 80 characters/line in the changelog btw
[19:45] <apachelogger> Sime_: pingy
[19:45] <Sime_> apachelogger: hi
[19:46] <apachelogger> Sime_: hey, I was wondering if I can create like module constants using sip
[19:47] <apachelogger> Sime_: like line 55-60 here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntu-sso-client/trunk/annotate/head:/ubuntu_sso/gui.py
[19:48] <Sime_> apachelogger: let me have a look...
[19:58] <Sime_> apachelogger: I'm not sure if it is possible to have simple module level constant. functions yes, but Qt and KDE don't have any. The best option for you is to put those  into an enum.
[20:00] <apachelogger> Sime_: problem is that for licensing reasons I cannot change the code that will be using them :S ... I suppose I could just wrap the sip generated module in a handcrafted python file which defines the signal names
[20:00] <apachelogger> Sime_: well, thanks for looking into it :)
[20:00] <Sime_> apachelogger: KDE has a version constant and it is done as a tiny function.
[20:02] <claydoh> ScottK: sure thing, anything else besiades the new installer to highlight? additions/removals/changes that I seem to not notice?
[20:02] <apachelogger> *nod* those constants are going away anyway since they are result of a beautiful design flaw :S
[20:03] <claydoh> ScottK: running kde 4.5 in lucid ain't too different from running maverick atm :), at least from my useage
[20:03] <ScottK> claydoh: Not sure.  Rekonq as default browser.
[20:03] <ScottK> Riddell will know.
[20:03] <claydoh> is it still default? 
[20:03] <ScottK> Need to talk about combined Desktop/Netbook ISO and automatic detection of which plasma to run on first run
[20:04] <ScottK> AFAIK.
[20:04] <claydoh> will 4.5.1 make into beta?
[20:05] <Quintasan> \o/
[20:05]  * Quintasan is back
[20:06] <Quintasan> but
[20:06] <Quintasan> lol school tomorrow
[20:07] <claydoh> Riddell: ScottK : the qa instructions for testing kubuntu mentions using Konversation to test irc - is that a new change (from quassel) 
[20:07] <ScottK> claydoh: No.  It should say quassel
[20:08] <claydoh> cool
[20:08] <stalcup> Riddell: I'll be on it tonight!
[20:11] <apachelogger> splendid
[20:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think kdeui for ubuntu-sso-client is no completely done and (almost) interface compatible with the gtkui
[20:13] <ScottK> claydoh: Looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/608382 you'll want to mention that if you want to make a usb stick install on 10.04, you'll need the usb-creator/kde from lucid-proposed.
[20:16] <claydoh> ScottK: yup got it, will need that myself
[20:23] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831192251-tfoqpipkmxxfeue6 * src/python/sip/ubuntussoguimod.sip make module kdeui rather than gui, gui will become wrapper it seems
[20:28] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831192848-7ksq5hyhj3xsalhl * src/CMakeLists.txt formatting++
[20:29] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831192915-i39tk4qo85pxvz4y * src/python/gui.py add gui to wrap around kdeui to add semi-constant signal name foo blah
[20:30] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831193023-55rc4v88pu9j0un8 * src/ (5 files in 3 dirs) overlord commit - say hello to UbuntuSSOClientGUI which wraps around Dialog, I am not yet sure why, but I am sure I had a reason...
[20:31] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831193102-2plkoi4ip8d5v2yk * src/ (Dialog.cpp Dialog.h) Good afternoon commit - signals to hook up with UbuntuSSOClientGUI
[20:32] <hunger> When will kde 4.5.1 become available in maverick?
[20:34] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831193439-xw0z0t94nexqb6wl * src/python/sip/Dialog.sip farewell dialog sip
[20:34] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831193450-rt26lwn45e68tzq3 * src/ (24 files in 3 dirs) licensing++
[20:37] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831193727-i38pyoxl2ehqavjq * src/ (LoginWidget.ui Messages.sh RegisterWidget.ui) fix translatability of some place holder strings
[20:37] <apachelogger> hunger: once maverick beta is released
[20:38] <apachelogger> until then we cannot upload, packaging is ready AFAIK
[20:38] <hunger> apachelogger: Great, thanks!
[20:38] <Quintasan> dohoohh
[20:43] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831194331-mly3ar26ajczp1cn * src/BusyOverlay.cpp formatting++
[20:44] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831194408-chc3lhkk93faxrfq * src/ (EmailHelper.h Error.h) more licensing
[20:44] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831194417-vpmrtyyghd81zn0j * src/ (RegisterWidget.cpp RegisterWidget.h) on right click on the captcha widget generate a new one
[20:52] <nixternal> alrighty, searching for this, but if someone wants to answer this first:  "how come compositing disables on start every time?"
[20:55] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831195527-gnigk1l51czgcioh * src/ (ClickLabel.cpp ClickLabel.h CMakeLists.txt) introdicing ClickLabel - a label emitting clicked on left mouse button click
[20:58] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831195826-4u5r0yvw46sa4t3g * src/python/gui.py set encoding
[21:00] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831200007-r4r0xuinarsjhzqg * src/RegisterWidget.ui promote captchalabel to a clicklabel
[21:01] <apachelogger> nixternal: crap driver
[21:01] <apachelogger> crap X
[21:01] <apachelogger> intel drivers on maverick are the shit
[21:01] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831200017-zapp738te6vskjdz * src/RegisterWidget.cpp get new captcha on left mouse click (more intuitive IMHO), show busycontainer while generating
[21:01] <apachelogger> ati is not much better, what is worse, ati worked in alpha3 :P
[21:01] <nixternal> I am using Intel, do you mean they are shit, or they are the shit as in the bomb diggity?
[21:02] <nixternal> no matter what I use, my machines with Intel == doesn't work, and my machine with NVIDIA == doesn't work no matter the driver
[21:02] <apachelogger> nixternal: I had loads of graphics garbage stuff with deffects on
[21:02] <apachelogger> if they were activatable at all
[21:02] <apachelogger> which was apparently dependent on weather and mood of the prime minister of australia
[21:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: I suppose they all share common X crappyness ;)
[21:03] <apachelogger> not that I would dare saying anything about X
[21:03] <apachelogger> but since no one manages to pull of one superb driver version I smell trouble at another level
[21:04] <nixternal> i don't think it is an x problem, because after i log in, i can re-enable compositing without any issues
[21:04] <apachelogger> I did not say problem, I said crapyness
[21:05] <apachelogger> you can work while being crap ... see rekonq, nepomuk, akonadi
[21:05] <apachelogger> in fact one would not know that it is crap if it were not working :P
[21:07] <apachelogger> ** Message: secret service operation failed: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files \o/
[21:07] <apachelogger> I do think the ubuntu-sso dev I complained about missing gnome-keyring does not take me serious
[21:07]  * apachelogger is getting a depression from that crap
[21:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: !
[21:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: <3
[21:08] <apachelogger> *hug*
[21:08] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *hug*
[21:08] <neversfelde> upstream choqok told me that we have qoauth 1.0 in the archive, but latest choqok needs 1.0.1
[21:09] <apachelogger> ah
[21:09] <apachelogger> it also still uses .cache/sso/ for logs
[21:09] <apachelogger> -.-
[21:09] <neversfelde> Riddell: It would be great, if you could give me access to your server again, I won't have broadband internet for the next weeks
[21:12] <apachelogger> muhahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[21:14] <apachelogger> nixternal: pingy 
[21:15] <jjesse> anything else?
[21:16] <jjesse> wrong channel
[21:16] <nixternal> apachelogger: yo
[21:26] <dantti_work> Now with app-install support, http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoptb2659
[21:29] <apachelogger> nixternal: do you happen to have signed the canonical contributor agreement?
[21:29] <apachelogger> dantti_work: it is a bit crowded, is it not?
[21:30] <dantti_work> apachelogger: what crowded means?
[21:30] <apachelogger> well, cluttered
[21:30] <dantti_work> apachelogger: you mean because of the list in the middle?
[21:31] <apachelogger> you have a side bar, then you have a tab bar, inside one tab you have another side bar, at the bottom is also some sort of bar
[21:32] <dantti_work> the categories side bar will not always be visible
[21:32] <apachelogger> there is also quite the icon overload IMHO
[21:32] <dantti_work> but maybe I remove the Installed applications Tab
[21:32] <apachelogger> dantti_work: wells, yes, but it can
[21:32] <nixternal> apachelogger: I don't know if I have or not
[21:32] <apachelogger> nixternal: would you be willing to?
[21:32] <nixternal> I doubt it, as canonical hasn't been nixternal friendly
[21:33] <apachelogger> I need someone to write a kwallet backend for ubuntu-sso-client because I am refusing to sign that thing
[21:33] <nixternal> yeah, i don't sign agreements unless money is involved
[21:33] <apachelogger> OTOH, supposedly I could also just stick it into the non-specific stuff
[21:34] <apachelogger> and not have it merged upstream
[21:34] <apachelogger> which of course suxx0rs big time
[21:34] <apachelogger> but oh well
[21:34] <apachelogger> dantti_work: I would also loose the ktitlewidget
[21:34] <apachelogger> it seems utter useless to me
[21:34] <dantti_work> apachelogger: that title widget is not easy to loose, it cames from KCMultiDialog...
[21:35] <dantti_work> I can in a subclass get rid of it tough
[21:35] <apachelogger> not difficult either then :P
[21:35] <dantti_work> but in System Settings you will see it
[21:36] <dantti_work> and there I can do nothing
[21:36] <apachelogger> ah, kcmulti implements a kpagedialog
[21:36] <dantti_work> yup
[21:36]  * apachelogger was whining about kpagedialog earlier last week already ^^
[21:36] <dantti_work> hehe, and I fixed a bug in it last week :P
[21:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: What weren't you whining about earlier last week already?
[21:37] <apachelogger> good point
[21:37] <apachelogger> dantti_work: so I have been told when I was whining ;)
[21:38] <dantti_work> :P
[21:40] <apachelogger> holy eject key
[21:41] <apachelogger> ubuntu-sso-client has a perfectly fine keyring class
[21:41] <apachelogger> and yet they use gnome-keyring directly
[21:41] <apachelogger> so they do not only have a tendency to commit design fail, no they do not even use their design fail
[21:41] <apachelogger> sweet
[21:47] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831204706-tu3iv8t5m1237kmc * src/UbuntuSSOClientGUI.cpp only create a new kapp if there is no qapp yet
[21:47] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831204748-856xkipxkdmzazpe * src/ (EmailHelper.h PasswordHelper.h) de-apacheloggerfy strings
[21:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde
[21:53] <Riddell> "PyQt v4.7.5 and SIP v4.11 have been released and can be downloaded from
[21:53] <Riddell> the usual places."
[21:54] <Riddell> "The version number of the SIP API has been bumped so all modules (e.g.
[21:54] <Riddell> PyKDE) will need to be re-compiled."
[21:54] <Riddell> hmm, let's not get that version then
[21:54] <Riddell> Sime_: any objection?
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> all SIP updates break ABI
[22:10] <CIA-71> [ubuntu-sso-client-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831211045-aao6u8ryawrfs8i2 * src/UbuntuSSOClientGUI.cpp do not delete the kapp but call quit on t
[22:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm getting an error from kded both in the live session and after install: "Unable to save bookmarks in /home/{USERNAME}/.local/share//userplaces.xbel.  Reported errror was: Insufficient permissions in target directory..  This error message will only be shown once.  The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible which is most likely a full hard drive.
[22:18] <apachelogger> even recordmydesktop is broken now :O
[22:18] <apachelogger> maverick is going down the drain I tell you
[22:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: what does ls -lah ~/.local/share say?
[22:19] <ScottK> It's got dirs for akonadi, local-mail, Trash, and local-mail.directory
[22:19]  * apachelogger repeatedly presses the button that is supposed to remove device authorization from ubuntuone
[22:20] <apachelogger> canonical - we make you time out
[22:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: I mean regarding permissions :)
[22:20] <ScottK> everything owned by the user
[22:21] <Riddell> neversfelde: that machine is currently out of order due to ubiquity breakage
[22:21] <ScottK> 755 except trash is 700
[22:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: the directory itself too?
[22:21]  * apachelogger is wondering why the file would be unsavable then
[22:21] <ScottK> Directory is 700 and owned by the user
[22:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would the "//" matter?
[22:22] <apachelogger> no
[22:24] <ScottK> I can touch a file in that dir no problem.
[22:24] <ScottK> So I don't think it's actually a permissions issue.
[22:24] <ScottK> Unless whatever is trying to create the file is running as a different, unpriviledged, user.
[22:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: how do you get that from kded?
[22:25] <apachelogger> error msgbox?
[22:25] <ScottK> Yes
[22:25] <apachelogger> interesting
[22:25]  * apachelogger is actually wondering what in kded would want to write to that file anyway
[22:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[22:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: yo
[22:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do about kwallet support in ubuntu-sso?
[22:29] <Riddell> find someone to code it, maybe I'll find time after beta is out
[22:29] <Riddell> of you could just sign the copyright assignment :)
[22:29] <apachelogger> *nod* my search has not been very successful thus far
[22:32] <ScottK> It seems pretty common that people have a rate they charge when copyright assignment is required.
[22:38] <CIA-71> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831213737-kci8ortvfnvwekex * src/libs/ (SyncDaemon.cpp SyncDaemon.h) syncdaemon does not try to get hold of auth itself - leave auth interface around, just in case
[22:41] <apachelogger> breakage all around
[22:41] <apachelogger> yay
[22:41] <apachelogger> sso ftw!
[22:43] <CIA-71> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100831214310-9azwj4o3f3n0knqv * src/api/ (introspection introspection/com.ubuntu.sso.xml) add manual introspection now that ubuntu-sso-client transition is going on
[22:48] <apachelogger> State: AUTH_FAILED
[22:48] <apachelogger> sweet
[22:51]  * apachelogger blinks
[22:51]  * apachelogger blinks more
[22:56] <apachelogger> 2010-08-31 23:53:34,737:737.334012985 ubuntu_sso.main login: authentication successful! consumer_key: u'wELBWQh', token_name: 'Ubuntu%20One - avatar'
[22:56] <apachelogger> vs
[22:56] <apachelogger> 2010-08-31 23:48:50,762 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.EQ - DEBUG - push_event: SYS_AUTH_ERROR, args:(), kw:{'error': 'AUTHENTICATION_FAILED'}
[22:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: you know what, I give up
[22:56]  * apachelogger feels brain fucked and will probably need therapy again