[00:00] <James147> you can always use teh same disk ^^ :)  although it is nice to have a spare livecd about
[00:01] <James147> brian__: btw, if you want 64bit install the desktop edition, if you also want the netbook interface (which is more designed for smaller ~10inch screens) you can install kubuntu-netbooks on the desktop edition to get both and switch between them
[00:15] <illunatic> 7zip/xarchiver error > please check " Store archiver output" option... where can i find this option?
[01:15] <compilerwriter> I am having two issues with Kontact  1) the thing, even when properly quit, when restarted swears that it is already running for some reason.  2)  the thing is not saving my filters when I make changes and hit apply.
[01:40] <compilerwriter> I am having two issues with Kontact  1) the thing, even when properly quit, when restarted swears that it is already running for some reason.  2)  the thing is not saving my filters when I make changes and hit apply.
[02:05] <Daskreech> apachelogger: ping
[02:06] <Daskreech> is the ppa:experimental intended to be used at all by mortals or is it just a staging build area?
[02:15] <Daskreech> hi rackIT
[02:16] <rackIT> Daskreech: How's things? A little windy?
[02:16] <Daskreech> Rainy
[02:16] <Daskreech> ScottyK: ping
[02:28] <cnowlite> how do i add this onto quassel :: irc://irc.atomic-irc.net:6667/ebooks
[02:28] <Daskreech> cnowlite: Edit your profile
[02:29] <Daskreech> I'm assuming you mean auto join
[02:29] <cnowlite> yea
[03:00] <illunatic> i have a problem. when i boot there is no taskbar, all widgets say "object could not be found", wallpaper doesn't load...
[03:00] <illunatic> wth man?
[03:01] <Daskreech> illunatic: 10.04?
[03:01] <illunatic> yes sir
[03:02] <Daskreech> Found that few times a well but I've been running from a Thumb drive for a while so I thought it was just a sideeffect of running out of space
[03:02] <illunatic> i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:02] <illunatic> shouldn't be a space issue. i have over 100GB on that partition unused
[03:03] <illunatic> one of the last things i did was install kepas
[03:03] <Daskreech> illunatic: more likely plasmarc in ~/.kde/share/config
[03:03] <James147> illunatic: try resetting plasma (delete or rename ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc and plasma-desktoprc)
[03:03] <illunatic> alright :)
[03:04] <James147> ^^ sorry, plasma-desktop-appletsrc  :)
[03:07] <jman_> My sessions won't fully save.  I went into Session manager and changed it to manual cause Auto wasn't working:   But it still only saves part of the session!   This works automatically w/ same apps on my other machines
[03:08] <jman_> running 10.04
[03:08] <nymphaeaceae> that's a lot of users.. wow..
[03:08] <Daskreech> Part of a session?
[03:09] <jman_> my desktop session
[03:09] <Daskreech> Same parts everytime?
[03:09] <jman_> when i shutdown/logout.  i want it to save the running apps.     Yes so it seems  (but only when i manually save.  the auto isn't working)
[03:10] <Daskreech> hi JontheEchidna
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> hi
[03:10] <Daskreech> jman: what gets saved
[03:11] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: question on PPA:experimental. is it intended to be used by mortals? or is it a staging build area?
[03:11] <jjman> Quassel, Songbird, Kopete, Skype tahts about it
[03:11] <jjman> no Firefox, no Thunderbird, Netbeans
[03:11] <Tejyasn> should I just dump my question out?
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> Daskreech: use at your own risk
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> but it should be usable
[03:12] <James147> !ask | Tejyasn
[03:12] <Tejyasn> oh... thanks.. these help channels always confuse me with their different rules..
[03:13] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: just about all of them have a don't ask to ask guideline.
[03:13] <Daskreech> Long as you aren't being rude you can ask a question
[03:14] <Tejyasn> I am trying to get JRE to work on my box.  I'm using KDE 10.04 (semi-obviously) and trying to run it in firefox, latest update.  Followed all the steps on the site, and no errors were reported in the terminal, but Java doesn't seem to run at all.
[03:14] <Daskreech> JontheEchidna: OK just seen a few blog posts telling people to add it so just wondering if I should drop them a line on the wisdom of that
[03:15] <Daskreech> jjman: Don't know about the rest but FF used to work when I used it
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> well... the packages in there are generally either of alpha products or alpha packaging
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> add with care
[03:15] <illunatic> James147: that seems like a good start. i now have a blank desktop with a dark blue-green background
[03:16] <jman> Daskreech: I know FF should work at least.   Because i have on 3 laptops and they all autosave my session fine.   This is desktop (most recent install),  i did copy over ~/  from other machines to get same setup (which only partly worked)
[03:16] <James147> Tejyasn: what site? and which jre? :)
[03:17] <Daskreech> jman: tried doing a manually saved session and then tried loading it?
[03:17] <James147> illunatic: hmm.. would have thourght that would have fixed it... could you try creating a new user and see if it works for them
[03:18] <Tejyasn> using the latest out from the main Java site...  jre1.6.0_21
[03:18] <illunatic> maybe i should try a reboot instead of just restarting kdm?
[03:18] <illunatic> heh
[03:19] <Daskreech> illunatic: how do you restart kdm?
[03:19] <illunatic> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:19] <DarthFrog> sudo service kdm restart
[03:19] <illunatic> or that^
[03:19] <Tejyasn> followed the instructions to the letter, other than having the java folder be in my ~/Downloads area, and not /usr/lib  can't seem to install it there..
[03:20] <Daskreech> Tejyasn: not even with sudo?
[03:20] <Tejyasn> I sudo -s at the start..
[03:20] <Tejyasn> so I'm running as root.. and the install works fine, no error messages..
[03:20] <Daskreech> ok
[03:20] <jjman> Daskreech: Yes i already said that.  Only thing thats partly working IS a manual session save..
[03:21] <Tejyasn> the only thing circumspect is when I try to do ln
[03:21] <Daskreech> jjman: Well when you do the manual load check the logs then compare them for the automatic.
[03:21] <Tejyasn> ln -s ~/Downloads/jre1.6.0_21/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so returns with "file exists"
[03:22] <Daskreech> I'm guessing there is a second part to that command
[03:22] <jman> Daskreech: ah.  what logs should i be checking for that  /var/log/messages
[03:22] <James147> Tejyasn: I would enable the partner repos in kpackagekit and install "sun-java6-jre"
[03:23] <Tejyasn> do what now?  I'm not THAT linux-savy..
[03:23] <illunatic> James147: you know how to create a new user from command line?
[03:23] <James147> illunatic: sudo adduser guest
[03:23] <Daskreech> jman: ~/.xsession* I would guess
[03:23] <illunatic> ah ok
[03:25] <jjman> Daskreech: thanks i check that out
[03:25] <illunatic> James147: good call. it loads great for guest. so how do i get it to work for my primary user?
[03:26] <Tejyasn> hrm... just saw something when I googled "kpackagekit partner repos", it seems that java was the main issue..
[03:27] <James147> illunatic: removing the right config file :)  my guess is that it is somewhere in .kde  ... i would start with the files starting with plasma in ~/.kde/share/config/   ...   (to test it you should be able to hit alt+F2 to get up krunner then typing in it "killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop" to restart plasma-desktop :))
[03:28] <Tejyasn> I'll wait a bit.. because the more I look into this on my own, the more I get cross-eyed.
[03:28] <Daskreech> illunatic: copy the guest plasma*rc to your account
[03:28] <James147> illunatic: or the plasma filders in ~/.kde/share/apps
[03:29] <James147> Daskreech: deleting/renaming them should have the same effect right? seen as they are being created if they dont exist fine (as per the new user)
[03:29] <Daskreech> James147: yep but i'm lazy today
[03:30] <Daskreech> !java
[03:32] <James147> !partner | Tejyasn
[03:33] <Tejyasn> I assume that I need to replace a few words in there, like naming (lsb_release-sc) and partner, or is it a cut-paste?
[03:34] <James147> Tejyasn: cut and paste... $(lsb_release -sc) will be replaced by the code name of your version by bash :)
[03:35] <Tejyasn> oh... tres nifty.
[03:35] <James147> (it will basically execute lsb__release -sc (which returns the code name of your version) and places in it the command (hence the $() )
[03:36] <Tejyasn> ah...
[03:36] <Tejyasn> I miss my TI... code was easy on that *laughs*
[03:37]  * James147 finds code on bash easy  :D
[03:37] <James147> (to a given degree of easy)
[03:40] <Tejyasn> true.. the more I learn on bash, the more it makes sense... it's just deciphering/learning new things that messes with my learning curve.. and apparently, I have already done that, as when I ran kpac, I found it, in bash I ran "java -version" and got a result, _18... so I assume I still have to link to firefox?
[03:43] <James147> Tejyasn: do you ahve "sun-java6-plugin" as well?
[03:43] <Tejyasn> ... will look..
[03:43] <James147> (aptitude show sun-java6-plugin | grep State)
[03:44] <Tejyasn> copy-paste?
[03:44] <James147> with out the ( )
[03:44] <Tejyasn> unable to locate
[03:45] <James147> Tejyasn: have you enabled the partner repos yet?
[03:45] <Tejyasn> wait... does directory matter..
[03:45] <Tejyasn> and yes, I did.
[03:45] <James147> Tejyasn: "sudo aptitude update"  then try again :)
[03:46] <Tejyasn> even better, "not installed"
[03:46] <James147> (these commands arnt doing anything to the working directory so it dosnt matter where they are run from)
[03:46] <James147> Tejyasn: then install it :) "sudo aptitude install ..."
[03:46] <James147> ... being the package
[03:47] <Tejyasn> aptitude, not apt-get?
[03:47] <James147> Tejyasn: you can use either
[03:47] <James147> i type aptitude out of habbit now :)
[03:47] <Tejyasn> what's the difference?
[03:48] <James147> Tejyasn: not a great deal for installing things anymore
[03:48] <Tejyasn> but there used to be?
[03:48] <James147> Tejyasn: aptitude use to handel removing of packkage dependency better
[03:48] <Tejyasn> ah...
[03:50] <Tejyasn> I just saw "Removing wine 1.2" should I be worried?
[03:50] <James147> Tejyasn: do you use wine?
[03:50] <Tejyasn> a bit.. mostly for a game or three...
[03:50] <Tejyasn> like DX or Diablo..
[03:51] <James147> might not matter... check after to see if you still ahve it :)
[03:52] <Tejyasn> and if not, re-install?
[03:52] <James147> yeah
[03:52] <Tejyasn> ok.. not worrying then.
[03:53] <James147> wine is an easy one to reinstall :)  if somehting removes kdebase then you should be worried :)
[03:53] <Tejyasn> and state = installed!
[03:53] <Tejyasn> now for the firefox trick...
[03:53] <James147> Tejyasn: restart your browsers and check
[03:53] <Tejyasn> on it!
[03:54] <Tejyasn> this is the one thing I love most of Linux.. working like this is all but impossible under modern windows.. I miss 98..
[03:55] <James147> Tejyasn: :D gotta love terminal
[03:55] <Tejyasn> it's friendlier than DOS too.. so.. *feels the love*
[03:56] <James147> Tejyasn: also... TAB, and if not... TABTAB
[03:56] <Tejyasn> ???
[03:56] <James147> Tejyasn: hit it and see :)
[03:56] <Tejyasn> James147:  right.. I never use it usually.. forgot..
[03:57] <Tejyasn> HA-HEY!
[03:57] <Tejyasn> **hugs James147 warmly** my saviour!
[03:59] <Tejyasn> James147: thanks for the help... you just let me access my online classes!
[03:59] <James147> :D
[03:59] <Dan_L> does anybody know how to install kexi?
[04:00] <Tejyasn> alright.. I'll let you smart people get to more important issues.. thanks again, and take care.  No offense when I say this... hope I never have to see you guys here for a while
[04:00] <James147> is that part of koffice?
[04:00] <James147> Dan_L: ^^
[04:00] <Dan_L> James147:  Yet it is.  Allegedly it's better than OO Base.
[04:01] <James147> Dan_L: Then I would think "sudo aptitude install koffice" would do it :)
[04:01] <Dan_L> James147:  I shall try it.
[04:02] <James147> although I can see kword but not kexi is the repos :S ... might be hidden in a different package name thjough
[04:04] <illunatic> wth
[04:04] <James147> ^^
[04:05] <illunatic> when i cp /home/guest/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc /home/user/.kde/share/config/ it is jsut a blank file
[04:05] <Izinucs> does kde 4.x allow for multiple X sessions?  I just read that it didn't but am not sure if that applied to 4.3.x..
[04:05] <illunatic> pretty sure that file is the issue tho since it is blank for that user
[04:06] <illunatic> i even deleted it can copied but it's blank still
[04:06] <illunatic> so weird
[04:06] <illunatic> er deleted and copied it over again i mean
[04:06] <James147> illunatic: but dose it work?
[04:07] <benbloom> Is there some flaw with kubuntu that prevents samba print from requesting authorization? It works on my ubuntu Lucid laptop
[04:08] <illunatic> James147: no. does not work for the main user
[04:08] <rackIT> kweather plasmoid is missing some icons. I've tried a few different icon themes but, alas... my otherwise beautiful Lucid desktop is marred by the default missing icon icon. Any ideas?
[04:08] <James147> illunatic: have you deleted/renamed all the plasma* files in the config folder?
[04:08] <illunatic> i need to copy paste it over or something, but kate & guest don't have permissions
[04:08] <Izinucs> benbloom: samba has been a nightmare on my 64 box.. I find I have to restart smbd after booting and even then have issues with windows boxes..
[04:08] <James147> illunatic: you shouldnt need to copy anything
[04:09] <Daskreech> James147: with () works as well
[04:09] <James147> illunatic: if the config files are missing kde should recreate them with the defaults
[04:09] <illunatic> oh just delete them all?
[04:09] <illunatic> ok i'll try
[04:10] <James147> Daskreech: ^^
[04:10] <Izinucs> I'm looking for a successful ssh -X session.. anyone have that working?
[04:11] <benbloom> Izinucs, I just don't understand why it works fine with ubuntu but not kubuntu
[04:11] <Izinucs> benbloom: I don't either.. I also have issues with cups starting on boot.. :(
[04:13] <illunatic> hm
[04:13] <illunatic> yeah i deleted them all
[04:13] <James147> illunatic: then restart plasma-desktop
[04:14] <illunatic> wait remove all the /apps/ files as well?
[04:14] <James147> illunatic: no..
[04:14] <illunatic> i only removed all the config files
[04:14] <illunatic> and restarted witht he same blank screen and mouse arrow
[04:15] <James147> illunatic: ^^ you should only remove the files taht started with plasma :S
[04:15] <James147> illunatic: but still didnt work?
[04:15] <illunatic> i removed all files starting with plasma in the /config/ but no luck
[04:16] <James147> illunatic: do you have any important settings in .kde? (keep in mind the nepomuk database is there
[04:17] <illunatic> well i just spent like a week getting everything working on it and don't want to lose it
[04:18] <James147> illunatic: try renaming it then (you should beable to rename it back to restore the settings (well, i would copy it back and keep one as a backup for now))
[04:19] <James147> illunatic: really not sure what config  file are affecting it atm as removing the plasma ones should have worked :S
[04:19] <illunatic> yeah
[04:19] <illunatic> gonna try copying the app files over... if it will let me
[04:20] <James147> illunatic: afraid I cannot help anymore... I really need ot go to bed. Hope you are able to find a fix and good night :)
[04:20] <illunatic> thanks tho :)
[04:26] <Daskreech> !tab
[04:27] <Daskreech> illunatic: You have to remove them after you close plasma-desktop
[04:36] <illunatic> Daskreech: oh! thanks
[04:36] <illunatic> haha
[04:37] <vbgunz_> this is becoming insanely annoying. I really want to visit this site and read the article ***but*** I get a comment box that takes over the entire screen http://techdrive.disqus.com/meet_apertus_a_project_aimed_at_building_an_open_source_cinema_camera/reply.html?f=techdrive&t=meet_apertus_a_project_aimed_at_building_an_open_source_cinema_camera&ff=Arial&default_text=Type%20your%20comment%20here.&ifrs=&1283225790467#000900000000000000000001
[04:38] <vbgunz_> I tried it in konqueror 4.5 and in the Firefox 3.6.8 and both show a huge comment box, nothing else :(
[04:39] <Daskreech> vbgunz_: can't you resize the comment box in FF ? or in webkit?
[04:39] <Daskreech> The lower right corner should have a handle?
[04:39] <vbgunz_> Daskreech: I don't see any handle :(
[04:41] <vbgunz_> can you visit the page without a problem? this happens quite a lot, I came in here last time about this and came up emtpy.
[04:42] <vbgunz_> im gonna try this in IE and see what the hell happens
[04:43] <Daskreech> I get a json error
[04:43] <vbgunz_> Daskreech: when first visiting the page, I can see then BAM a comment box that just takes over the entire page
[04:44] <vbgunz_> I just fired up vbox and am gonna see if this affects ie and firefox there
[04:46] <vbgunz_> Daskreech: I feel better in a sense. IE 8 and Firefox in VirtualBox both show the same results. whoo. so this is not exactly a problem tied to kubuntu. I feel better but damn, don't nobody say anything to them? they got to get rid of that
[04:58] <Izinucs> vbgunz_: I tried the link with the same "nothing" result.. then I deleted everything after /techdrive/ and got a login prompt.. looks like you have to register to view.
[05:16] <illunatic> well... i dunno where to go. desktop and everything loads fine for guess but not main user hmmmm
[05:20] <Daskreech> illunatic: you tried killing the plasma desktop before moving the files?
[05:24] <illunatic> Daskreech: i did
[05:24] <illunatic> just added guest to sudoers
[05:24] <illunatic> should be easier to mess around through the gui
[05:25] <Daskreech> :-)
[05:25] <illunatic> xD
[05:25] <illunatic> i originally deleted the whole /usr/ by mistake a few days ago and copied it from a very similary setup on another partition
[05:26] <illunatic> not sure if some of the problems i've ran into are due to the permissions getting messed up heh
[05:27] <illunatic> because spending a week figuring it all out was much more efficient than just spending 5 hours doing a fresh install and updates right? >_<
[05:27] <illunatic> nah i've learned a lot about how things work tho
[05:30] <illunatic> you know what kio_desktoprc is for?
[05:30] <illunatic> hmmm
[05:31] <illunatic> gtkrc
[05:37] <Daskreech> illunatic: efficency means nothing to me if I give up learning oppurtunities
[05:51] <illunatic> definitely more efficient in the long run to know what you're doing :)
[06:05] <noaXess> good morning
[06:05] <noaXess> are there really no pathces for the blocked packages that prevent upgrading to kde 4.5?
[06:05] <noaXess> patches
[06:06] <noaXess> other thing, i need to start a special script as a specia user on system boot.. any idea where to place the command to that script?
[06:31] <illunatic> aha... just got an error that plama-desktoprc is not writable
[06:31] <illunatic> contact admin :X
[06:32] <illunatic> but... but I'M admin :O
[06:32] <illunatic> i suppose the question is, how to make plasma-desktoprc writable?
[06:45] <illunatic> arg what is goin on... i've copied every config from the working user desktop to the non-working and still, it's just blank screen iwth an arrow
[06:55] <noaXess> illunatic: have you upgraded to kde 4.5?
[06:56] <noaXess> illunatic: maybe this will help: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/592516
[06:58] <illunatic> thanks i'll try :)
[07:01] <illunatic> actually i am using kde 3 i think
[07:13] <maple> HI  everyone~!
[07:32] <noaXess> illunatic: aha :) ok.. sohm.. plasma-desktoprc.. seams it's one of kde4.x version
[07:32] <noaXess> cause ni kde3 there is no plasma
[07:37] <illunatic> how do i update to 4.5?
[07:37] <illunatic> i added the source to the repository but i don't see anything when i search kde or kde4 that is relevant
[07:37] <illunatic> through adept
[07:41] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: which version of kubuntu are you using?
[07:41] <maple> mistrynitesh: which version of kubuntu are you using
[07:42] <mistrynitesh> maple: 9.04 a.k.a jaunty
[07:43] <maple> mistrynitesh: why don't you update your OS!
[07:44] <mistrynitesh> maple: don't find any compelling reason to update until its EOL
[07:46] <maple> mistrynitesh: I think 10.04LTS is much better than 9.04@
[07:48] <mistrynitesh> maple: thanks for the info, but I am too lazy to shift everything
[07:48] <maple> mistrynitesh: you are so modest !
[07:49] <maple> mistrynitesh:  may i ask a personal question ?
[07:49] <mistrynitesh> maple: i like to state facts
[07:50] <maple> mistrynitesh: where are you from?
[07:50] <mistrynitesh> maple: India
[07:51] <maple> mistrynitesh: i don't know why i so curious where someone come from !
[07:53] <mistrynitesh> maple: may be you are 'profiling'
[07:54] <maple> mistrynitesh: you are so humor!
[07:55] <mistrynitesh> maple: thank you... I'm sure the floodbot or someone else is going to direct us to #ubuntu-offtopic for this chat
[07:57] <maple> m
[07:57] <maple> mistrynitesh: sorry! ^_^
[07:59]  * mistrynitesh wonders whether he drove maple away
[08:04] <illunatic> mistrynitesh: 10.04
[08:05] <noaXess> illunatic: so if you want upgrade to kde 4.5 then be aware and follow this instructions: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45 but there are known bugs..
[08:07] <illunatic> well i entered ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports as a source through adept
[08:07] <illunatic> and that appears to have worked, but i don't see a package for kde 4.5 when i search with adept
[08:08] <illunatic> is there command line i can use?
[08:08] <illunatic> bugs would be better than what is happened now, which is no desktop :)
[08:08] <illunatic> hoping it will fix it
[08:09] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: i am sure you must have reloaded adept after adding repo
[08:10] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: did you get any errors while 'reloading/refreshing'?
[08:11] <illunatic> nope
[08:11] <illunatic> sholdn't it prompt for an update?
[08:12] <illunatic> wiat i think i found it. going through system settings > add remove software instead of just adept
[08:12] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: it should, though I haven't used adept since a long time.
[08:13] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: why don't you try 'sudo apt-get update' on the command line
[08:13] <illunatic> 103 updates :S
[08:13] <illunatic> cover me, i'm going in.
[08:14] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: make sure to back-up
[08:16] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: 'Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY' :D
[08:16] <noaXess> mistrynitesh: but we are the support here ;).. and i also have upgraded one machine to kde 4.5 with help from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
[08:18] <mistrynitesh> noaXess: sure we are here to support ;)
[08:18] <noaXess> :)
[08:19]  * mistrynitesh wonders what and how much should I write on 'about me' page for my website
[08:22] <illunatic> ooops
[08:22] <noaXess> mistrynitesh: all about you :)
[08:22] <noaXess> illunatic: yeah.. upgrading to kde 4.5 can have some oooops ;)
[08:22] <illunatic> hope it fixes my problem. i'd like to see how it looks
[08:23] <illunatic> oops as in i did not backup :X
[08:23] <illunatic> fortunately i have a small 10GB installation i can use to browse the bugfixes if it gets borked
[08:24] <illunatic> hm what are blocked packages all about?
[08:25] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: packages which requires other packages to me removed
[08:26] <illunatic> oic
[08:27] <illunatic> one of the bugs is the folder view widget huh?
[08:27] <illunatic> damn. did not fix the other user
[08:28] <illunatic> really don't get why it doesn't load the k button or anything
[08:36] <mistrynitesh> illunatic: was your update smooth?
[08:39] <illunatic> hm. things are worse for sure
[10:01] <noaXess> scon gemacht..
[10:01] <noaXess> bins dann gespannt auf die teiler.. müssen dann ein game haben, welches wir testen können.. so ein box game oder so ;)..
[11:00] <thrust123> hello, how can i reset the kdewallet password with the root password ?
[11:03] <NeuFin> hi
[11:04] <NeuFin> time?
[11:04] <NeuFin> what is the time?
[12:34] <bowser> hi all, why cannot I use the whole space on my BTRFS drive?
[12:36] <bowser> it says there should be 19% free space, yet when when I copy something over it says disk is full
[12:39] <elj> need quasselirc help for adding network (ssl version not proper)
[12:46] <elj> can anybody help me with a unsupported ssl in quasselirc?
[13:09] <ludovic_> Bonjour tous
[13:10] <unstable> :)
[13:11] <unstable> Quelqu'un parle français ici ?
[13:11] <unstable> Je suis nouveau
[13:12] <unstable> Bonjour caldera__
[13:12] <Pici> !fr | unstable
[13:14] <unstable> Thank you Pici
[13:42] <davhere> is there some kind of trick to get adobe to work?
[13:42] <davhere> adobe reader that is
[14:00] <collabra> davhere: have you tried okular
[14:01] <collabra> davhere: it's standard on kubuntu
[14:34] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[14:34] <DarthFrog> Hide the cheese!  BluesKaj is here!  :-)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ggouda and havarti especially
[14:35] <DarthFrog> :-)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hey DarthFrog :)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> another not one here
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hot
[14:36] <DarthFrog> Rain, here.
[14:36] <BluesKaj> T-clouds are already forming
[14:38] <BluesKaj> 33 yesterday , abit of relief , only 29 today :)
[14:38] <DarthFrog> Only????  :-)
[14:38] <DarthFrog> 14 now, 16 forecast.
[14:38]  * BluesKaj senses the OT cops are lurking
[14:39]  * Pici lurks
[14:39] <BluesKaj> wow, that's cool for Van in aug
[14:40] <DarthFrog> Not outrageously so,  A cool, rainy day - fall is coming.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> did a new partition table on the den desktop , was full of small partitions due to the rounding off to mibs, so I reinstalled w7 then manually partitiioned / and /home during the alternate install .. the live cd doesn't detect my hw ...must be getting old :P
[14:45] <BluesKaj> can't run desktop effects, the old onboard ati x200m can't handle the load
[14:45] <DarthFrog> Time to open the wallet and let the moths out. :-)
[14:46] <DarthFrog> Radeon 5770 cards (what I have) are very good in Linux and are very reasonably priced.
[14:48] <BluesKaj> yeah, I had a nvidia 7600gt in it but I installed it in the media server which is a much faster and newer pc
[15:05] <xsacha> anyone know how to install geant4 on kubuntu?
[15:06] <samehsabry> guys I need help urgently, I am running Kubuntu, when I run "apt-get update" and this was the result: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem."
[15:06] <samehsabry> after trying " dpkg --configure -a" I got this:
[15:06] <samehsabry> iceroot: Setting up flashplugin-installer (10.1.53.64ubuntu0.10.04.1) ... Downloading... --2010-08-31 16:41:55--  http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_10.1.53.64.orig.tar.gz Resolving archive.canonical.com... 91.189.88.33 Connecting to archive.canonical.com|91.189.88.33|:80... connected.
[15:06] <collabra> http://www.thetacticalnuke.com/2008/12/easy-install-of-geant4-on-ubuntu-704-and-804-and-810/ <-------- i don't know if this will help xsacha
[15:07] <xsacha> collabra: not exactly.. i have it installed on older ubuntus.. but i need a newer ubuntu for another software piece (some python apps)
[15:07] <xsacha> but when i try compiling from source on new ubuntu i run in to some issues with it not building stuff correctly
[15:08] <xsacha> quite a dilemma.. i havent found a distro that supports both at the same time
[15:08] <collabra> try auto-apt
[15:08] <collabra> it will load any module the compile needs to run
[15:09] <collabra> on the fly
[15:09] <BluesKaj> samehsabry, it's installing the flash plugin which is a std app for browsers. Did somebody advise you to enable the partner and other sources repositories in the package manager?
[15:09] <xsacha> the problem is that i need to compile these things because they arent in ubuntu
[15:09] <xsacha> and they seem to like different environments (different compiler,etc)
[15:09] <xsacha> so one will work in older distros and one only works in newer distros
[15:10] <samehsabry> BluesKaj: I don't remember, it is a shared machine. But I need to get rid of it right away to update and get other important packages
[15:10] <samehsabry> BluesKaj: or even use apt-get in general cause it always gets stuck
[15:10] <collabra> what you do,... is of course, read the man,... rund auto-apt in a terminal,... and start your compile,... it will bring in any needed libraries and or packages,... xsacha
[15:10] <BluesKaj> ok so it's stuck ?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> samehsabry?
[15:11] <collabra> xsacha,... it's worth a try.
[15:11] <xsacha> ok..
[15:12] <collabra> use the same terminal you run auto-apt in to compile your software,... xsacha
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ok samehsabry , copy and paste this command into the terminal , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:14] <xsacha> collabra: i run it in the background?
[15:14] <DarthFrog> Hmm, there's a new kernel out for Kubuntu.
[15:15] <collabra> xsacha: no,...when you run auto-apt,... it will release the prompt to compile,... auto-apt will run in the background
[15:15] <xsacha> ok
[15:15] <collabra> be sure to read the man page
[15:15] <xsacha> not sure how it could help but i'll try it
[15:15] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, did you just update ?
[15:16] <xsacha> i have all the packages installed.. will it identify correct versions too?
[15:16] <samehsabry> BluesKaj: apt-get -P packagename helped :)
[15:16] <collabra> it could help by pulling in any packages the compile needs to run,.. xsacha
[15:16] <samehsabry> BluesKaj: thanks for trying though
[15:16] <xsacha> well the compile builds perfectly..
[15:16] <BluesKaj> samehsabry, you needed tpo close the terminal tthat was stuck of course
[15:17] <collabra> oh,... arn't you having trouble with dependencies...? xsacha
[15:17] <xsacha> no..
[15:17] <samehsabry> BluesKaj: i needed to remove the isntaller of flash
[15:17] <collabra> sht,... sorry. for the lack of help then,... i misunderstood.
[15:17] <xsacha> problem is my environment.. like compiler and so on.. don't work with this program
[15:17] <xsacha> i think it expects an older version of g++
[15:18] <xsacha> so when it compiles, the programs dont work
[15:18] <xsacha> but on older ubuntus they do..
[15:18] <collabra> is there no earlier compiler available in the repos
[15:18] <BluesKaj> samehsabry,  thats strange , haven't seen that hang prob with flash before
[15:18] <xsacha> well im not sure if it's the compiler or some other compiler environment tool
[15:18] <xsacha> something is messing up the code
[15:18] <samehsabry> BluesKaj: niether did i
[15:19] <BluesKaj> samehsabry, you might try flashplugin-nonfree instead
[15:20] <BluesKaj> the flashplugin-installer is new in lucid
[15:20] <collabra> xsacha: I'm confused,... you said it compiles fine,.. but when you run the program,... what happens?
[15:21] <xsacha> ill do it all again and get error message
[15:21] <xsacha> (i have fresh installed a few times)
[15:22] <collabra> xsacha: what's the error?
[15:22] <xsacha> don't have -lG4Processes (or similar)
[15:23] <xsacha> and i check lib dir.. sure enough there's no G4Processes lib. compile? 0 errors
[15:23] <collabra> so, it's looking for a library that doesn't exist,... one presumably that's not provided in source....?
[15:24] <xsacha> thing is they are exact same source files i use on kubuntu 8.08 (where it works fine)
[15:25] <collabra> what g++ is used in kubuntu 8.08....
[15:25] <xsacha> i've tried this numerous times.i fresh install kubuntu 8.08 and geant4 works fine, matplotlib doesn't. i fresh install kubuntu 10.04 and matplotlib works, geant4 doesn't.
[15:25] <jjman> there is no 8.08
[15:25] <xsacha> 8.10
[15:26] <collabra> have you tried that compiler,...
[15:26] <xsacha> same happens on other distros ive tried
[15:26] <xsacha> one works, one doesnt
[15:27] <collabra> it sounds like, maybe,... 8.08 had a library that 10.04 doesn't have as default....
[15:27] <collabra> you get no errors on 10.04 compile?
[15:27] <xsacha> 0 errors
[15:29] <collabra> is deant4 run by gui or terminal?
[15:30] <collabra> geant4
[15:30] <xsacha> terminal but it can output a visualisation using ogl (optional)
[15:31] <collabra> you can try running auto-apt before you run geant4,... it will pull in any required package,.... you never know,... it may find the needed library
[15:31] <xsacha> k
[15:31] <xsacha> does it need to be run as sudo?
[15:32] <collabra> i'm checking now,... i assume so,... one sec.
[15:32] <collabra> minute.... ;)
[15:34] <xsacha> cause if i do sudo auto-apt it places me in root shell
[15:35] <collabra> iit doesn't explicitly state,... i would assume if a package needs installing,... you need to run it under sudo.
[15:36] <collabra> so,... run: sudo auto-apt     :then it should give you a promt,... run geant4, and it should prompt you for a yes or no on installation....
[15:36] <collabra> of individual packages
[15:37] <collabra> you can use the  -y flag to automatically answer 'yes' to prompts if you wish
[15:37] <jussi> that can be dangerous though, so use with care
[15:38] <collabra> i aggree,... no need for the -y flag
[15:39] <collabra> lemmy know how it goes.
[15:44] <xsacha> well it's a fresh install so gotta compile geant4 again (takes about an hour)
[15:46] <xsacha> and im compiling it with that auto-apt which may slow it down
[15:46] <collabra> :) i'll stay in the chat,... come back and drop me a line,.... If you use my alias i'll come back if i'm not actually on my computer
[15:46] <xsacha> k
[15:46] <collabra> I'm hoping good luck for you xsacha
[15:47] <xsacha> thx
[16:04] <rportal> where can I get a good tutorial for kubuntu?
[16:07] <BluesKaj> rportal, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions
[16:08] <rportal> thx blues
[16:09] <BluesKaj> rportal, also www.kubuntu.org
[16:17] <kb3ien> anyone have any good reading matterial on port forwarding while running UFW ?
[16:17] <kb3ien> cant seems to find the right iptables command to forward a port to a box behind the NAT.
[16:19] <collabra> sudo ufw allow in <port#>/<tcp or udp>
[16:19] <collabra> sudo ufw allow in <port>/<tcp or udp>
[16:20] <collabra> to delete the same forward it's: sudo ufw delete allow in <port>/<tcp or udp> respectively
[16:21] <collabra> it enables immediately: but if you want to be sure: sudo ufw enable
[16:22] <collabra> to show all forwarded or allowed 'out' ports it's: sudo ufw status verbose
[16:22] <kb3ien> root@cadsch:~# ufw allow in  5060 udp
[16:22] <kb3ien> ERROR: "Need 'to' or 'from' clause"
[16:23] <collabra> what version of kubuntu are you running?
[16:23] <kb3ien> lucid
[16:24] <collabra> hmm,... one sec.
[16:25] <kb3ien> i got it to take this command, `iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i eth1 -d 0.0.0.0 --dport 5060 -j DNAT --to 192.168.30.2:5060` but i'm not sure if i should do that manually or have ufw invoke it for me.
[16:26] <kb3ien> eth1 is the interface upon which traffic arrives that needs translation.
[16:26] <collabra> to allow from any single ip: sudo allow from <ip>
[16:26] <collabra> one sec,... lol
[16:26] <kb3ien> no i want to allow from any IP to be forwarded.
[16:27] <kb3ien> but only port 5060, for now.
[16:27] <collabra> then it's : sudo ufw allow in 5060/tcp
[16:27] <collabra> or,...
[16:27] <collabra> then it's : sudo ufw allow in 5060/udp
[16:27] <kb3ien> its SIP, o/c so the media channels will also need to be forwarded, but that can wait. I can restrict the media ports to a narrow range.
[16:29] <collabra> i don't have manual iptables setting experience,...
[16:30] <kb3ien> okay the packets are being allowed in by the kernel!
[16:32] <collabra> woohoo!,.... you can set up specific ip handling to ports as well...
[16:32] <kb3ien> but they are not being forwarded... alas
[16:32] <kb3ien> no packets are being rewritten and pushed out tap0
[16:33] <collabra> all you've done is open the port 5060 to the world,... if you are behind a router,... you need to configure your router for the specific lan ip and port
[16:33] <kb3ien> i am the router, and i need to configure forwarding.
[16:34] <kb3ien> i thouht i had, see earlier post about iptables and -nat.
 i got it to take this command, `iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i eth1 -d 0.0.0.0 --dport 5060 -j DNAT --to 192.168.30.2:5060` but i'm not sure if i should do that manually or have ufw invoke it for me.
[16:34] <collabra> aww,... sht.... sorry,... if you want to undo that last command its: sudo ufw delete allow in 5060/tcp or udp
[16:35] <kb3ien> 192.168.30.0/24 is assinged to tap0
[16:35] <kb3ien> so no 'set ip next-hop' should be needed.
[16:35] <aboudreault> Hi. Why am I not able to select my Public key inside KMail ? There is a red X on the key. gpg --list-keys shows me that my key is there though
[16:35] <kb3ien> that command you gave works well, it prevented the ufw.log reporting the packets as dropped.
[16:36] <kb3ien> its just that i need another command to forward them, i think.
[16:36] <DarthFrog> kb3ien:  Have you enabled IP4_forwarding in /proc?
[16:36] <kb3ien> yes outbound dynamic nat (overload) works. we are NATing 192.168.30.0/23 (two subnets) to the public IP.
[16:37] <kb3ien> all i need is the inbound nat. to change the ip-destination field of inbound datagrams.
[16:38] <kb3ien> hopefully in a way that allows TCP sessions to be established.
[16:38] <kb3ien> no different that if i had web or mailserver, its just that there are no examples that work in the presense of ufw, that i could find.
[16:41] <kb3ien> i'm sure it has been done before but all i see is examples that DONT work with ufw.
[16:42] <kb3ien> http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8050901 seems promising
[16:42] <collabra> sudo ufw proto tcp from <ip> to <ip>
[16:42] <collabra> sudo ufw proto tcp from <ip> to <ip> port <port>
[16:45] <collabra> sudo ufw delete proto tcp from <ip> to <ip> port <port> (will erase the entry)
[16:47] <kb3ien> i'll disable ufw until we can work out that part.
[16:49] <collabra> ufw is a firewall,... not a router.
[16:50] <kb3ien> i'm not trying to route, i use quagga to route...
[16:50] <kb3ien> i'm trying to do a port forward in the pre/absence of a firewall.
[16:51] <collabra> I'm perplexed and probably not the person you need.
[16:51] <collabra> i apologize
[16:51] <kb3ien> /etc/ufw/before.rules contains lines like this: -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.31.0/24 -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
[16:52] <kb3ien> so i thought i could add port worwarding rules to that file also. guess ufw isn't there yet...
[16:52] <collabra> still evolving
[16:52] <kb3ien> i'll need something more powerfull.
[16:53] <kb3ien> or just with more mature documentation.
[16:53] <collabra> again,... i apologize.
[16:53] <kb3ien> thanks for trying :)
[17:11] <xsacha> collabra: same error :(
[17:12] <collabra> sorry to hear that,.... have you tried running auto-apt and then the program,... xsacha
[17:12] <xsacha> yeah auto-apt doesn't seem to be doing anything
[17:13] <collabra> that's dissapointing,... i'm two for two today,...
[17:13] <xsacha> cannot find -lG4Processes
[17:14] <collabra> have you enabled all repos?
[17:14] <collabra> for apt to search within?
[17:14] <xsacha> is it different to apt-get repos?
[17:16] <collabra> I'm thinking the kernel's may configured differently,... maybe it's not a dependency problem,... it might be the kernel
[17:16] <collabra> i'm just tossing ideas out there....
[17:19] <xsacha> might have to give up on matplotlib :(
[17:19] <xsacha> oh well, cya
[17:19] <collabra> cya
[17:21] <kb3ien> well ufw has messed me up nice and good...
[17:22] <collabra> what happened,...
[17:22] <kb3ien> its lost all its rules after the last disable...
[17:23] <kb3ien> i need to allow anything from tap0
[17:23] <collabra> cant you enable ufw with the config intact?
[17:24] <kb3ien> sorta have only the port based rules intact.
[17:24] <kb3ien> i need the interface rule syntax again.
[17:25] <kb3ien> ufw allow in from tap0 ...
[17:25] <kb3ien> or somethinglike that.
[17:25] <collabra> i just went through the man page for ufw,... and i speaks nothing of specific interfaces
[17:25] <collabra> though i dont know why not.
[17:27] <kb3ien> ufw allow out on tap0
[17:27] <kb3ien> " " in on tap0 # also works
[17:27] <kb3ien> but no packets flow.
[17:27] <collabra> really....? that's interesting
[17:27] <collabra> something i didn't know
[17:29] <collabra> i'm mourning my inability to help.... seriously.
[17:29] <collabra> i'm a noob....
[17:30] <collabra> of course i could spend a year still be one,...
[17:30] <collabra> the learning curve is extrordinary,...
[17:33] <kb3ien> indeed
[17:34] <kb3ien> im getting nat but im not sure how... except im not getting one address translated...
[17:34] <kb3ien> any idea hom to bebug nat?
[17:35] <kb3ien> iptables -t nat -L|less
[17:35] <kb3ien> works woo!
[17:39] <collabra> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg37024.html <------ ufw rules break nat,.... i haven
[17:39] <collabra> 't read this whole thing,... and i probably wouldn't understand it anyway,... but,... maybe it's relevant
[17:48] <robbit10> !puregnome
[17:49] <benoit_> h$
[18:07] <lelamal> hello, although I add Mic and Capture to Kmix channels, after reboot they're gone, and I have to add them again. Does anybody know why, please?
[18:13] <fayaz> hi
[18:14] <fayaz> i have that famous problem with akonadi...
[18:14] <mfraz74> akonadi is the problem
[18:14] <fayaz> it crashes my kmail on random...
[18:14] <fayaz> any way to work around this thing??
[18:15] <Nekuro> after an automatic update, my nvidia driver doesn't seem to be working. Is this a known issue?
[18:16] <mfraz74> fayaz: I haven't found a solution to it yet. Makes my Kontact dead slow and can take up to a minute to start
[18:16] <fayaz> mfraz74: mine simply crashes after showing the akonadi log...
[18:17] <fayaz> not crash, quit would be more appropriate
[18:17] <mfraz74> i'm hoping when KDEPIM 4.5 is released all these problems will go away
[18:18] <fayaz> mfraz74: so is there no temporary workaround?
[18:19] <mfraz74> fayaz: i'm not sure. seems to depend upon how it has been set up
[18:19] <fayaz> mfraz74: i see...
[18:19] <mfraz74> i have it on 3 computers, 1 works fine another isn't too bad, but this one is the worst
[18:20] <fayaz> oh...
[18:26] <siegie> I want to set the default audio volume after startup. I've tried it whith "/usr/bin/amixer -c 0 sset Master,0 mute" but something overwrites this setting at kde login.
[18:26] <siegie> that "/usr/bin/amixer -c 0 sset Master,0 mute" i've added to rc.local,
[18:46] <fungos> hi
[18:46] <urgen> hi
[18:46] <fungos> I'm having trouble getting my rt3090sta to work
[18:47] <fungos> networkmanager doesnt find it, but ifconfig shows ra0 there, iwlist ra0 scanning show near access points.. I just cant connect
[18:48] <urgen> are any nearby your own?
[18:48] <fungos> yup
[18:48] <urgen> :-) like manually config the device with an IP
[18:48] <urgen> does it work then?
[18:48] <fungos> how to?
[18:48] <urgen> oh
[18:48] <fungos> command line to connect to AP?
[18:49] <fungos> like, iwconfig ra0 essid myapname
[18:51] <fungos> why knetworkmanager says that the network management is disabled?
[18:52] <urgen> search: Set a static IP address
[18:53] <urgen> at: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Lucid
[18:53] <urgen> sometimes various different species of network devices don't deliver their MAC for some reason or another
[18:53] <urgen> and then you don't get an IP
[18:54] <urgen> so if you manually set one then you can narrow your problem to DHCP related issue
[18:54] <urgen> if you get an IP then you can ping to see that you have connectivity
[18:54] <urgen> if you have connectivity then you ping a domain to see that your DNS is configured
[18:54] <urgen> or manually, also, set that up too
[18:56] <fungos> hm, i will try. dhcpclient ra0 says No DHCPOFFERS received.
[18:56] <fungos> maybe static ip will do it
[18:57] <urgen> yes
[18:57] <urgen> I do not know knetanything
[18:57] <urgen> only manual command line style
[18:58] <urgen> the various gui's ahve transitioned so many many times it is too hard to keep up so I just settle for old reliable
[18:58] <urgen> command line architecture does change over time but not as fast
[19:02] <human__> yes, you can
[19:03] <human__> sudo dolphin
[19:03] <human__> you can delete everithing in your system, using it)
[19:04] <amrish> help
[19:04] <amrish> help
[19:04] <amrish> hepl
[19:05] <amrish> anybody help me
[19:05] <amrish> pls
[19:05] <amrish> pls
[19:05] <amrish> pls
[19:05] <FloodBotK2> amrish: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:05] <amrish> means
[19:06] <amrish> anybody tell me how can i make windows xp live usb stick
[19:11] <urgen> why?
[19:11] <urgen> there are a lot of non windows emergency usb stick images
[19:11] <urgen> the linux ones often are easier and better
[19:13] <nekuro> especially seeing as the linux ones don't care about the windows permissions, it makes troubleshooting and other things a lot easier
[19:24] <amrish> because so many programs/software runs in windows xp like vb.net, flash, c++
[19:25] <v3nd3tta``> in the last time i'm getting more and more ark segfaults
[19:25] <v3nd3tta``> !help
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[19:26] <urgen> amrish.... so, let me get this straight, you come to a channel for KDE Ubuntu Linux and ask how to make a bootable Windows USB drive :-)
[19:26] <urgen> I'll be nice and give you a link: http://keznews.com/2407_Windows_XP_USB_Stick_Edition
[19:26] <urgen> but you could have googled it yourself
[19:27] <nekuro> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+make+a+windows+live+usb+boot
[19:27] <amrish> yes i use kde and ubuntu from last year its very hard to use
[19:29] <amrish> thanks both of you i will search ok
[19:29] <amrish> nekuro specialy
[19:31] <fungos> omfg
[19:31] <amrish> http://keznews.com/2407_Windows_XP_USB_Stick_Edition ........this link not working
[19:31] <fungos> all my networking problems was solved with the jkclarkson post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475230
[19:31] <fungos> what a stupid bug :S
[19:32] <urgen> that's what bugs are for :-)
[19:33] <amrish> error
[19:33] <urgen> amrish, you already said the magic word
[19:33] <urgen> "search"
[19:33] <urgen> I gave you a clue
[19:33] <urgen> you build on it
[19:33] <FloodBotK2> urgen: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:34] <amrish> ok
[19:35] <mandragor> Should I be able to use knetworkmanager for VPN connections or is this currently broken?
[19:45] <sergio__> salve a tutti
[20:30] <Bucky> hi. what's the name of the plasma theme actually used in kubuntu?
[20:31] <|sysop|> hi.
[20:32] <|sysop|> have an issue with my emac running 10.4, I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.4 with no problems and it ran fine for a week. then my computer started locking up. the third time it locked up when it rebooted the kernel wouldnt load. so
[20:34] <|sysop|> when I setup the box I installed kubuntu twice just incase something like this happened and I can no longer mount the ext3 partition. and I lost the partition on another drive in the same system after the reboot as well. I am thinking that its the drive controller that is flaking out instead of the drives (both are less than a year old) what do you guys think?
[20:37] <|sysop|>  how can I test my ide controller?
[20:38] <trijntje> Hi all, is it possible to use compiz with kubuntu?
[20:41] <talas> i think you only need to activate printer sharing on the windows box
[20:41] <talas> wow, forgot to scroll down, nvm me
[20:43] <talas> trijntje: yes, go into system settings
[20:44] <trijntje> talas: found it, thanks
[20:48] <talas> |sysop| if the partition table/boot loader is intact you could boot into safe mode and check your drives with fsck
[20:48] <talas> just DONT check a mounted partition
[20:48] <|sysop|> the boot loader is fine.
[20:48] <Gixxie_> I have a question.. when I install applications from the kpackage kit why can't i find them on my system?
[20:49] <|sysop|> I booted into the other install and got to the command line.
[20:49] <|sysop|> thats what I am ircing from.
[20:49] <talas> |sysop|, then you could use fsck and check the other partition.
[20:49] <|sysop|> tried, it fails
[20:50] <talas> what does it say?
[20:50] <|sysop|> brb
[20:51] <talas> Gixxie_ maybe they dont install themselves into your menu.. Anything in particular?
[20:51] <|sysop|> buffer io error  on hda5
[20:51] <|sysop|> what makes little sense hda5 just another partition and I am running off of hda3 I think right now.
[20:52] <|sysop|> and it asks if its a zero length partition.
[20:52] <Gixxie_> um there was one for reading radio frequencies I can't find it to use the nmake file or anything
[20:52] <|sysop|> also it says drive ready seek complete error
[20:54] <talas> |sysop| ok :p thats way outta my league. you could try in #ubuntu ....
[20:54] <talas> theres usually a lot more poeple in there
[20:56] <Gixxie_> I didn't find anything in the help files so I thought I would come in here .. figured someone might atleast know in the help files I might look
[20:58] <talas> Gixxie_ for installed packages you can click on "File List" in kpackagekit to see what files it installed on your system
[20:58] <Gixxie_> ok ty
[21:04] <trijntje> How can I set mousebutton 15 to take me to the next desktop? It looks like systemsettings only takes keybord-bindings
[21:12] <|sysop|>  
[21:13] <|sysop|> hmm
[21:14] <|sysop|> oh well been running testdisk on the second drive trying to get back the partition. any other suggestions?
[21:33] <u1106-laptop> today a package called bogofilter was updated. the description says it's a spam filter. Does anyboduy know how it is used?
[21:42] <harjot> Hey guys im still on kubuntu 8.04
[21:42] <harjot> Is it worth me upgrading to 10.04?
[21:44] <u1106-laptop> harjot: it depends... some things might work better, others might be broken :(
[21:44] <u1106-laptop> it depends on your hardware and it depends how you use the machine
[21:45] <harjot> What do you mean by depends how i use the machine?
[21:45] <u1106-laptop> what applications you use e.g.
[21:45] <u1106-laptop> do you use bluetooth?
[21:45] <u1106-laptop> sound?
[21:45] <u1106-laptop> flashplayer
[21:46] <harjot> no bluetoothh
[21:46] <harjot> sound??
[21:46] <harjot> flashplayer=needed
[21:46] <harjot> which system is faster?
[21:46] <harjot> Is the ext4 system considerably faster than ext3?
[21:47] <u1106-laptop> you won't get ext4 if you just upgrade. Only new installs get ext4
[21:47] <harjot> yeah i was gonna wipe
[21:47] <harjot> Then install
[21:47] <u1106-laptop> (please correct me if I'm wrong, I bleieve I have read that somewhere)
[21:48] <harjot> That is correct i read that too
[21:48] <harjot> Is ext4 faster?
[21:48] <u1106-laptop> I don't think ext4 any difference at the beginning, at least not recongizable for a human
[21:48] <u1106-laptop> but it is much better with repect to fragmentation
[21:49] <u1106-laptop> if you tend to fill up you disk from time to time. (Too many videos, CDs, whatever...) ext3 will get badly fragmented
[21:50] <u1106-laptop> ext4 does handle it much better. (Still it will suffer, but it suffers less)
[21:50] <harjot> ok
[21:51] <harjot> i have a keboard problem so im gonnnna upgrade
[21:52] <Bodincus> Hallo chaps, sorry to barge in... maybe some lurkers can chime in too: anybody else here with a broken Microblogging Plasmoid authentication?  I know Twitter closed down today the basic auth, has the plasmoid fix been pushed upstream?
[21:52] <u1106-laptop> then of course 10.04 will have all kind of resource hungry new features, which will overcompensate any possible improvement ;)I
[21:52] <harjot> ok thx im gona upgrade
[21:53] <u1106-laptop> take a backup of the old one, just in case you have bad luck...
[21:54] <Bodincus> FWIW, it's impossible to upgrade from 8.04 LTS to 10.04 LTS, you have to wipe and restart.
[21:54] <Bodincus> Save your /home/
[21:54] <harjot> yup
[21:54] <harjot> 8.04 isnt anlts
[21:54] <u1106-laptop> when 10.04 was new I had X server crashes (specific to my graphics card). They have been fixed in the meantime, but there might be other problems with other machines...
[21:55] <harjot> ok
[21:55] <u1106-laptop> bondicus: are you sure???
[21:55] <Bodincus> But be careful not to overwrite the new home, 8.xx is KDe 3.5, 10.04 is KDE4.
[21:55] <harjot> yeah
[21:56] <Bodincus> Yep, you have to upgrade to the obscene 9.xx first. Just DON'T. Save your self lots of grief.
[21:56] <Bodincus> BTW, 10.04 is better, leaner and faster than 8.xx
[21:56] <harjot> yep after 9x upgrading to 10.04 fails easily lol
[21:57] <Bodincus> My laptop is a rocket now, and with all the bells & whistles enabled
[21:57] <u1106-laptop> you could always upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 to 9.04 to 9.10 to 10.04
[21:57] <navetz> hi is there a way to revert from 10.10 to 10.04?
[21:57] <Bodincus> ..and die of old age in the meantime
[21:57] <harjot> lol
[21:58] <u1106-laptop> besides that 8.10 is no longer supported so it might no longer be possible today
[21:58] <harjot> 10.10//
[21:58] <Bodincus> Stay on 10.04, it's an LTS
[21:58] <u1106-laptop> and I would never recommend so many upgrades, it clutters you system with all kind of crap
[21:59] <u1106-laptop> and of course it wouldn't give you ext4
[21:59] <navetz> if I change my sources.list to say lucid again and do an upgrade
[21:59] <navetz> will it bring me back to 10.04?
[21:59] <Bodincus> Not much performance difference from ext3 to ext4
[21:59] <harjot> ok
[22:00] <u1106-laptop> I somehow vaguely remeber you should be able to upgrade from LTS to LTS (but I have never done it, so I might be wrong)
[22:00] <harjot> imgonna backup my crap ;0
[22:00] <Bodincus> Yes, it *should* be that you can upgrade from LTS to LTS, but the jump between KDE 3.5 and KDE4 was too big to handle
[22:01] <u1106-laptop> anyway these are just theoretical discussions. My recommendation would be, backup and make a new installation
[22:01] <Bodincus> Do as I did, buy a new HD, clean install on it, keep the old one as secondary
[22:01] <u1106-laptop> bondicus: maybe that applies only to Ubuntu but not to Kubuntu? (just guessing)
[22:02] <u1106-laptop> Or if you have enough space, just partition the disk and install the new one in parallel
[22:02] <Bodincus> Yes, you could upgrade Ubuntu 8 LTS to 10 LTS
[22:02] <u1106-laptop> (of course you should never repartion a disk without having a backup...)
[22:03] <Bodincus> Anyway, veering off track here. Anybody with a Microblogging plasmoid kicking a fuss with Twitter?
[22:05] <harjot> kubuntu 8.04 aint an lts
[22:05] <harjot> my ekboard gone jus a sec ;)
[22:07] <Bodincus> OK chaps, got to go... C U
[22:09] <u1106-laptop> harjot: Ubuntu 8.04 is definitely LTS, are you saying Kubuntu 8,04 is not?
[22:39] <harjot> Backup time~!
[23:14] <macode_> hey.
[23:16] <macode_> after booting an live cd (10.04, amd64) kde comes up with an error message like "logging in ubuntu... a critital error occured", already verified the hashes and on ttys000 there is an repeating message "authenticaion failure"
[23:16] <macode_> seems like an wrong username to me
[23:16] <macode_> any idea`
[23:34] <harjot> macode_: strange
[23:34] <harjot> macode_: Did you try re-downloading the iso?
[23:35] <macode_> harjot: checked the md5
[23:35] <harjot> hmm
[23:35] <macode_> harjot: but i solved it diffrently now: took an debian cd and installing from scratch
[23:35] <harjot> Ok good
[23:35] <harjot> Weird problem though
[23:45] <enderw99> has 4.5.1 for maverick hit a repository yet>
[23:45] <enderw99> ?