[00:09] <Raydiation> voidmage: its the open source driver
[00:10] <Machtin> i'm fine with nouveau i guess..
[00:10] <Machtin> just don't know if it's better.
[00:10] <yofel> depends, iirc it handles a few things better, but it has no cuda or vdpau support
[00:10] <Machtin> couple of days i found out that the open source java-thing kind of sucks. :D
[00:11] <Machtin> heard cuda, don't recognize vdpau
[00:11] <yofel> vdpau is hardware video decoding
[00:11] <Machtin> oh, that might be nice
[00:11] <yofel> have only seen mplayer support that though, haven't tried totem
[00:12] <Machtin> considering that i watch 1080 movies while i unpack large files on a aes-drive where the rars are encrypted themselves..
[00:12] <BUGabundo> yofel: http://codebits.eu/quiz/2010/longstring.txt
[00:12] <Raydiation> Machtin: that has nothing to do with jdk, thats a java issue
[00:12] <Raydiation> :)
[00:12] <Machtin> i think videolan supports that too since a couple of weeks, no?
[00:13] <Machtin> uh, would have guessed jre Raydiation.. but i'm not really into that stuff.. just noticed that with the 'original' thing my excessively used java-downloader works quite a lot faster than with the other thing
[00:13] <yofel> BUGabundo: sorry, I haven't yet learned to talk binary, could you translate that :P
[00:14] <Daekdroom> Good lord o.o
[00:14] <duffydack> I have to agree about openjdk being sucky.  It just doesnt work with what I use
[00:14] <Raydiation> kinda weird if its the original java open source stuff
[00:15] <BUGabundo> trying to
[00:15] <Machtin> like i said.. don't really know.. but it took the tool seconds to perform a task after clicking whereas it works instantly now with sun (or oracle these days)
[00:19] <BUGabundo> I kinda think this is a bin yofel. so need to convert it to exec. any ideas?
[00:21] <Machtin> well, off to bed. Thanks so far guys! :) night
[00:21] <BUGabundo> nite
[00:31] <yofel> BUGabundo: not offhand, would have to guess here and I can't think of a binary conversion tool currently (other than writing one myself)
[00:31] <BUGabundo> if I have the binary
[00:31] <BUGabundo> it should be possible to use a hex tool to make an exec file
[00:31] <BUGabundo> right?
[00:31] <BUGabundo> but ghex and few others do NOTHING
[00:32] <napsy> BUGabundo: what are you trying to do?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> cheating a context :P
[00:33] <napsy> what context?
[00:33] <BUGabundo> actually just trying to find the awnser
[00:33] <BUGabundo> napsy: codebits.eu
[00:33] <gnomefreak> can we please move this topic to another channel
[00:34] <BUGabundo> this is only the 1st quiz.
[00:34] <BUGabundo> yes gnomefreak. sorry :|
[00:34] <gnomefreak> thanks. i guess i should say please more often :)
[00:35] <BUGabundo> ahah
[00:36]  * gnomefreak trying to figure out how to add ignoreabi to a file that cant exist
[00:37] <yofel> xorg.conf can exist very well
[00:37] <yofel> or what are you talking about? :P
[00:37] <gnomefreak> yofel: i have to remove it to get anything including TTY
[00:37] <yofel> :(
[00:39] <gnomefreak> yofel: see bug 613458
[00:39] <yofel> ah right
[00:40] <gnomefreak> :\
[00:40] <gnomefreak> im about to get my devel box up so i will be upgrading from Lucid
[01:17] <mininessie> has kernel 2.6.35 worked for anyone else on 10.10
[01:19] <crimsun_> sure.  What are your specific symptoms?  Have you filed a bug report?
[01:19] <mininessie> crimsun_, i just can't boot into the kernel
[01:19] <Daekdroom> mininessie, kernel panic?
[01:20] <mininessie> Daekdroom, drm nouveau
[01:20] <mininessie> Daekdroom, parmin flush or something like that
[01:20] <Daekdroom> Hm, I'm not very into nouveau drm..
[01:29] <mininessie> kernel 2.6.35 doesn't work
[01:48] <bjsnider> crimsun_, is sdl doing any software mixing like pulse or is it just hardware?
[01:49] <crimsun_> bjsnider: "software mixing"?
[01:50] <crimsun_> bjsnider: if you're asking whether it functions as "sound server", the answer is no.
[01:50] <crimsun_> a similar "layer" would be GStreamer or xine-lib.
[01:52] <bjsnider> a guy is telling me that he can only play a stream from his tv card if he uses the sdl driver in mplayer instead of pulse or alsa. otherwise playback isn't smooth enough. i can't see why
[01:52] <crimsun_> the sdl audio backend is either going to be pulse or alsa.
[01:53] <crimsun_> dpkg -l libsdl1.2\*|grep ^ii
[01:54] <bjsnider> that only makes it even more confusing, unless it's just a quirk of mplayer's
[01:54] <crimsun_> I'm not sure why that's more confusing.
[01:55] <bjsnider> because if sdl is using pulse or alsa anyway, then mplayer's pulse or alsa drivers should also work fine
[01:55] <crimsun_> Is the symptom reproducible using 1) mplayer from the motumedia ppa with 2) linux-alsa-driver-modules from the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa?
[01:55] <crimsun_>  *** 2:1.0~rc4~try1-1ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 0
[01:55] <crimsun_>      2:1.0~rc3+svn20090426-1ubuntu16 0
[01:56] <crimsun_> pretty significant updates
[01:57] <bjsnider> he's using mplayer-git from my ppa, and the rest should be stock lucid packages
[01:57] <bjsnider> the stock mplayer from lucid is even worse
[01:57] <bjsnider> but the hardware is an ion netbook
[01:57] <bjsnider> not sure what they use for sound
[01:58] <crimsun_> I'm troubleshooting blindly here, because there haven't been answers to my questions ;)
[01:59] <crimsun_> [note: begin with the sdl audio backend]
[02:02] <bjsnider> i can definitely tell him to try the audio-dev ppa
[02:49] <KukuNut> so what exactly why isn't there anymore 64-bit daily live?
[05:50] <DanaG> argh, btrfs == ouch.
[05:50] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/gGZWZt5s
[05:50] <DanaG> Oddly enough, the kernel is still alive, despite not having a heartbeat.
[05:50] <DanaG> (heartbeat LED is off.)
[07:26] <jca1981> hi when booting i get "kernel-provided name 'dm-0' and NAME='/mapper/linux-root' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name" and the boot stalls
[07:38] <DanaG> Great, that btrfs usb stick's file system is so broken, it kills the kernel.
[07:39] <DanaG>  http://pastebin.com/gGZWZt5s
[07:42] <DanaG> That seems to be a non-recoverable error.
[07:42] <DanaG> Thankfully, it's not data I don't have anywhere else.
[07:48] <Jordan_U> DanaG: What kernel version?
[07:49] <DanaG> Happens with kernel-ppa 64-bit 36-rc2, and with whatever I'm booted on on my netbook.
[07:49] <DanaG> Linux samsung 2.6.35-19-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 26 19:13:05 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:52] <DanaG> I have a metadata image of the thing -- 171MB.
[08:22] <DanaG> Argh, stupid gnome-power-manager.... it's spazzing out, flickering between two brightness levels, and eating my CPU so badly it makes even typing lag.
[08:25] <DanaG> In fact, it's so busy spazzing, it won't even blank the LCD when the lid closed.
[08:25] <om26er> btrfs shows more free space on my usb than it actually can carry :(
[09:10] <DanaG> "Downloading Packages Packages"
[09:10] <DanaG> "Downloading Sources Sources"
[09:10] <DanaG> =/
[09:10] <DanaG> So says update-manager.
[09:10] <thehizz> hi all - I can't access my cd drive.. I can manually press the eject button on the drive, and it opens, and I put in a CD, but then once in, even though I know the CD should be recognized (and is normally), it won't recognize! Nothing happens.. How can I refresh the CD driver or something? Or what do I do (without rebooting)?
[09:12] <ikonia> thehizz: you can't refresh a cd driver - that's not needed
[09:12] <ikonia> thehizz: what's on the CD?
[09:12] <thehizz> ikonia, ok, so how do I force it to recognize and blank the CD?
[09:12] <ikonia> it's a blank CD ?
[09:12] <thehizz> ikonia, data to be discarded - and to reburn
[09:13] <ikonia> thehizz: then it's not blank
[09:13] <ikonia> thehizz: what data is on it
[09:13] <thehizz> old files
[09:13] <ikonia> what type of datas
[09:13] <thehizz> nothing problematic.. just random stuff
[09:13] <ikonia> data
[09:13] <ikonia> ok - I'm not going to help you as you are unable to answer my questions
[09:13] <thehizz> doesn't matter what on the cd - no matter what cd i put in, the same thing happens
[09:13] <thehizz> it's a cd of music, this one
[09:14] <thehizz> they are all either cd-rw's or dvd-rw's
[09:14] <ikonia> I'm not interested, I shouldn't have to pull data from you when you are requesting help
[09:14] <ikonia> good luck
[09:14] <thehizz> pull data?
[09:14] <thehizz> dude, your questions are irrelevant. it's data. the cd itself is not being recognized. the drive isn't even being recognized!
[09:14] <ikonia> yes, ask a question 3 times
[09:14] <ikonia> how do you know the drive isn't being recoginsed
[09:15] <thehizz> doesn't matter what's on the cd or dvd. it happens with all dvd and cd i put in. the cd/dvd drive itself isn't recognized, despite working fine an hour or so ago.
[09:15] <ikonia> how do you know the drive isn't being recoginsed
[09:15] <thehizz> i've done the cle "df -l" and "df"
[09:15] <thehizz> it doesn't show up
[09:15] <ikonia> that means nothing
[09:15] <ikonia> that only shows mounted file systems
[09:15] <ikonia> and if your drive isn't mounted it won't show up
[09:15] <thehizz> i've checked a few other commands, after reading the various forums..
[09:15] <ikonia> which ones
[09:15] <thehizz> but it wasn't being recognized
[09:16] <ikonia> what other commands have you used to show it's not recoignised
[09:16] <ikonia> recognised
[09:16] <thehizz> I tail the /var/log/syslog.. when I put in and out a CD/DVD
[09:17] <ikonia> that proves nothing again
[09:17] <DanaG> Hmm, probably it's the new equivalent of the old "hal" having polling disabled.
[09:17] <thehizz> there were others too.. I don't remember them all.. however, the end conclusion of the forum reading was that it wasn't being recognized.. do you have a better test commandline?
[09:17] <DanaG> Not sure how you'd fix that nowadays.
[09:17] <ikonia> thehizz: I disagree
[09:17] <ikonia> thehizz: I suspect it is recognised as CD drives are dumb
[09:17] <DanaG> sudo eject -T /dev/scd0
[09:17] <ikonia> if it's not recognised, it's broken,
[09:17] <DanaG> T toggles.
[09:18] <thehizz> DanaG, eject cd command failed.. input/output error
[09:18] <DanaG> Weird.
[09:18] <ikonia> if the drive is not recognised, it is more likley the drive is broken
[09:19] <thehizz> ikonia, drive's not broken.
[09:19] <ikonia> as drives are so "dumb" it would take a pretty special drive to not be recognised
[09:19] <ikonia> thehizz: how do you know ?
[09:19] <thehizz> it worked fine an hour ago.. i'm sure if I could restart the computer it'd work fine as well.. but I can't reboot
[09:19] <ikonia> working an hour ago does not mean it's not broke now
[09:20] <ikonia> why can't you reboot ?
[09:20] <thehizz> big project going - can't reboot
[09:20] <ikonia> what's stopping you rebooting ?
[09:20] <ikonia> you've using a development version (10.10) for a "big project" ?
[09:21] <thehizz> ikonia, omg, dude, if you can't help, don't help - but stop the belittling
[09:21] <ikonia> I'm not
[09:21] <ikonia> I'm asking you questions to get to the bottom of the situation and resolve it
[09:21] <thehizz> ok, fine. answer: yes.
[09:21] <thehizz> what else will help you "resolve"?
[09:22] <thehizz> did dmesg | grep -i cd | grep -i rom ... "doesn't have tracks recognized"
[09:22] <ikonia> you're giving me information as "fact" such as "the drive is not broke" and "the data doesn't" matter, when you can provide no information to back this up
[09:22] <ikonia> thehizz: again - that doesn't mean anything
[09:23] <thehizz> ok, well, suggest what I can do to give you meaningful and useful information. I don't know better how to answer about 'what's data on the disk'.
[09:23] <ikonia> thehizz: one of 3 things is happening here 1.) the drive is broke 2.) the data on the CD's is not supported in it's current application 3.) part of the IO subsystem has hung, which as your using a development version, is possible
[09:24] <thehizz> ok.....
[09:25] <thehizz> I'm going to assume that 3 is the culprit. How shall I test?
[09:25] <ikonia> reboot the box
[09:25] <thehizz> That's not a test
[09:25] <thehizz> And again, I can't reboot
[09:25] <ikonia> then you need to wait until you can
[09:25] <thehizz> That's the best 'test' you can come up with? The best fix? But you know everything about every commandline command that isn't helpful?
[09:26] <thehizz> Seriously?
[09:26] <ikonia> thehizz: you've told me the device is not recognised (despite no facts to back this up) so you'll need to reboot to get it to walk the device again and see if it picks it up
[09:26] <ikonia> anything beyond that will be a futile test
[09:26] <thehizz> what can fix it without rebooting?
[09:27] <ikonia> unknown, if it's unrecognised, it will need to probe it again
[09:27] <ikonia> as cddrives are not normally hot plug, a reboot will be needed
[09:27] <thehizz> that's why I was saying - somehow there must be a way to refresh the driver or restart the drive.. how do I manually tell it to probe the drive?
[09:27] <ikonia> no
[09:28] <thehizz> that makes no sense.. linux is all powerful.. how is there not a way to re-probe a cd/dvd drive?
[09:28] <ikonia> it's nothing to do with linux
[09:28] <thehizz> so why not then?
[09:28] <ikonia> it's a hardware limitation, CD drives are not normally hot plug, and your board probably isn't, so it will need a reboot
[09:28] <ikonia> the same is true in any os
[09:29] <thehizz> I can make the CD hot plug - there are other devices hot-plugged on my cpu
[09:29] <ikonia> thehizz: how can you make a non-hotplug device hot plug ?
[09:34] <thehizz> ikonia, I just did sudo hdparm -I /dev/sr0 ... got (identify) failed: Invalid exchange..
[09:34] <DanaG> thehizz: say, what sort of drive is the CD drive?
[09:34] <thehizz> cd/dvd-rw
[09:34] <thehizz> simple one from newegg.. liteon maybe
[09:34] <DanaG> if it's sata, on an AHCI controller, you can use scsiadd to remove and reattach the drive.
[09:34] <DanaG> Just be very careful not to remove your boot drive. =þ
[09:35] <ikonia> thehizz: what do you expect that do to ?
[09:35] <DanaG> scsiadd -r 4 0 0 0 removes my eSATA.  If I do scsiadd -r 4, it removes the wrong thing.
[09:35] <ikonia> the device isn't hot plug
[09:35] <DanaG> What matters most is the motherboard, not the drive.
[09:36] <DanaG> For example, my CD bay is not hotpluggable according to BIOS, but it's hotpluggable just fine in Linux.
[09:36] <DanaG> I just yank the thing and replug it.
[09:36] <napsy> all sata devices are hotpluggable
[09:36] <DanaG> But, some SATA controllers (such as nforce4) don't like that.
[09:36] <thehizz> It's a sata dvd/cd drive, yes..
[09:37] <thehizz> how do I determine the correct scsi number?
[09:37] <DanaG> scsiadd -p
[09:37] <DanaG> prints current status.
[09:38] <DanaG> oh, and before doing -r, try:
[09:38] <DanaG> lsof /dev/scd0
[09:38] <DanaG> it'll tell you if any app has it open.
[09:38] <DanaG> or rather, fuser.
[09:39] <DanaG> "Ubuntu One Disabled."
[09:39] <thehizz> I did both.. none seem using it..
[09:40] <thehizz> but which number in scsiadd -p determines number for -r command?
[09:40] <DanaG> An example:
[09:40] <DanaG> Host: scsi4 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
[09:40] <DanaG>   Vendor: ATA      Model: eSATA-2 HD642JJ  Rev: 1AA0
[09:40] <DanaG> scsiadd -r 4 0 0 0
[09:40] <DanaG> Make sure to have ALL four fields there.
[09:41] <thehizz> ok.. sudo or not?
[09:41] <DanaG> Yeah, needs sudo.
[09:41] <DanaG> That question, "install suid root?" -- nobody sane would answer yes, because then any user could unplug the boot drive and crash the system.
[09:42] <DanaG> Also make sure to use your numbers. =þ
[09:42] <thehizz> k, removed the dvd drive.. now what?
[09:42] <DanaG> sudo scsiadd -s
[09:42] <DanaG> Rescans the bus for drives.
[09:43] <thehizz> didnt' seem to find/add it
[09:43] <ikonia> DanaG: I thought that would only work on hotplug kit
[09:43] <DanaG> hmm.  That's odd.
[09:44] <DanaG> That may be true, after all.  I forgot to ask what SATA controller... =/
[09:44] <ikonia> most home kit won't be hotplug without $$$$$
[09:45] <ikonia> there is that stupid "fake" hotplug on home kit, but that relies too much on the device
[09:45] <DanaG> Any AHCI controller can do hotplug.
[09:45] <ikonia> DanaG: but I thought that again depended on the device attatched
[09:45] <DanaG> That's all recent Intel, AMD/ATI, and even nvidia.
[09:45] <ikonia> (for the home user end kit)
[09:46] <DanaG> It shouldn't.  I've even gone eSATA port -> eSATA-to-SATA cable -> SATA-to-IDE converter -> IDE hard drive.  Just had to get power elsewhere.
[09:46] <ikonia> that's a big chain
[09:47] <ikonia> but they are disks, CD and tape drives didn't play with it
[09:47] <DanaG> Even that hack was hotpluggable.  Some Silicon Image controller in the converter board.
[09:47] <DanaG> Same was true for CD too.  Or at least, eSATA -> SATA -> laptop CD drive works, as well.
[09:48] <DanaG> It even exposes nicely the difference between "unplug" and "eject" in Windows.  Eject disk CD_ROM (E:), and Eject HL-DT-ST GSA-T50L optical drive.
[09:50] <DanaG> Ah, last thing to try: unplug/replug the power cable to the drive.  But that's a last resort.
[09:52] <DanaG> ah, off to bed I go soon.
[09:53] <DanaG> Tue Aug 31 01:53:07 PDT 2010
[09:53] <DanaG> yeah.
[09:55] <ikonia> I wouldn't do that on the fly incase it hangs the bus
[10:00] <DanaG> ah.
[10:01] <DanaG> Well, it all depends on what SATA controller.
[10:01] <DanaG> For example, an old VIA one I think did hang when I tried that, but a SiI3112 dealt with it fine.  And AHCI tends to deal okay with it in laptops, but desktops can vary.
[10:30] <Raydiation> i cant set my icons/window decorations any more
[10:30] <Raydiation> anyone got the same problem?
[10:32] <dupondje> I dream of a world without Flash Player
[10:33] <dupondje> damn this thing sux :(
[10:33] <Raydiation> plus i got aweful system sounds which i cant turn off
[11:16] <Raydiation> hm window decorations are gone, anyone else experiencing this bug?
[11:16] <Raydiation> i mean cant change the theme
[11:16] <Raydiation> its just some lameo default stuff
[11:16] <Raydiation> and default icons
[11:19] <S4ry> Raydiation, is it gone after installing compiz fusion
[11:20] <Raydiation> S4ry: no, its gone after i rebooted today
[11:20] <Raydiation> ill take a screenshot
[11:21] <Raydiation> S4ry: http://s3.directupload.net/file/d/2268/ttok5y46_png.htm
[11:21] <Raydiation> i even tried it witha  new user
[11:21] <Raydiation> i cant change theme or icons
[11:21] <Raydiation> plus i cant change sounds too
[11:21] <S4ry> Wow ! thats very odd
[11:22] <S4ry> I just installed Maverick early today , installed the updates
[11:22] <S4ry> and everything is working just fine
[11:24] <Raydiation> S4ry: did you install updates and reboot?
[11:24] <S4ry> Raydiation, is your Graphic card active
[11:24] <Raydiation> with dist-upgrade
[11:24] <Raydiation> yes, compiz works
[11:25] <S4ry> no , a fresh install
[11:25] <S4ry> but , i think you can upgrade as well ..
[11:26] <S4ry> Raydiation, i meant the your pc graphic card ..
[11:26] <Raydiation> yes it is
[11:27] <S4ry> from / System - Additional
[11:27] <S4ry> ah , okay.
[11:27] <Raydiation> dont htink that has something to do with the theme though
[11:27] <Raydiation> its an engine issue and/or wrong rights when you want to set something imho
[11:28] <S4ry> Mmm , themes engine ..
[11:30] <Raydiation> brb i ty if rebooting helps
[11:30] <S4ry> Tyt
[11:31] <jca1981> Help: getting "kernel-provided name 'dm-0' and NAME='/mapper/linux-root' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name" when booting nad the boot stalls
[11:31] <Raydiation> haha weird
[11:31] <Raydiation> everything works again
[11:37] <S4ry> :) glad to know
[11:41] <S4ry> bazhang, wb .. how you do
[12:20] <jca1981> hi when booting i get "kernel-provided name 'dm-0' and NAME='/mapper/linux-root' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name" and the boot stalls
[12:23] <S4ry> jca1981,
[12:23] <S4ry> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581593
[12:25] <Raydiation> hehe :)
[12:25] <Raydiation> quite fun searching bugs
[12:25] <S4ry> :)
[12:26] <S4ry> Yeah
[12:26] <Raydiation> you cant mark text in evince
[12:26] <Raydiation> or else it will crash
[12:26] <S4ry> But i don't know why that bug isn't on launchpad
[12:30] <S4ry> jca1981, you van report that bug on launchpad .. https://launchpad.net/
[12:44] <Raydiation> hm, where can i set in evolution that emails shouldnt be deleted from the server?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> should be in the preferences for each box
[12:47] <Raydiation> gnomefreak: hm i just see the "automatically check for new emails" line
[12:47] <S4ry> Looks like , that option is not there anymore .. ' keep message on server
[12:47] <gnomefreak> i am unable to check for a few reasons
[12:47] <S4ry> Right !
[12:47] <Raydiation> :)
[12:47] <Raydiation> im good at finding bugs
[12:47] <Raydiation> hrhr
[12:48] <S4ry> :)
[12:48] <gnomefreak> you mean feature
[12:48] <Raydiation> :D
[12:48] <Raydiation> if this is a feature i have to switch to a program with less features
[12:48] <gnomefreak> hehe
[12:49] <S4ry> lol
[12:49] <gnomefreak> Raydiation: file a bug anyway maybe we can patch it to drop it as a feature
[12:49] <S4ry> nice step
[12:49]  * gnomefreak would love to have X right now but hey at least i have a TTY this time
[12:53] <gnomefreak> well i have ~1 hour for this to fix itself
[12:55] <S4ry> gnomefreak, whats the issue ..
[12:55] <gnomefreak> S4ry: X as normal. ignoreabi wont work since i have to remove xorg.conf
[12:56] <Raydiation> 2 bugs filed
[12:56] <Raydiation> i hoped i marked them right that they affect maverick
[12:56] <Raydiation> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/627366
[12:58] <S4ry> Raydiation, yeah , its marked right .. well done
[12:59]  * gnomefreak claps for Raydiation 
[12:59] <S4ry> gnomefreak, lets see i that has reported as a bug
[12:59] <Raydiation> :)
[12:59] <gnomefreak> S4ry: what bug?
[13:00] <Raydiation> hm, i guess im going to get some sushi now *muhahaha*
[13:00] <S4ry> I meant the X issue
[13:00] <S4ry> :)
[13:00] <S4ry> Raydiation, hold on
[13:00] <gnomefreak> i filed one that i see and the work around is to remove xorg.conf
[13:00] <gnomefreak> and the normal nvidia bug
[13:00] <S4ry> gnomefreak, okay
[13:00] <S4ry> nvidia also !
[13:01] <gnomefreak> thats why ingnorabi wont work but i think i have a way around this
[13:01] <S4ry> Okay.
[13:02] <gnomefreak> yep this in theory should work
[13:02] <S4ry> cuz i have nvidia on my other pc .. things are fine there
[13:02] <gnomefreak> brb smoke, its going to be a long damn day
[13:02] <Raydiation> S4ry: hm?
[13:03] <S4ry> Tyt
[13:03] <Raydiation> Tyt? Thank you ...
[13:03] <S4ry> O' Raydiation i was going o say .. we should learn how the launchpad works
[13:03] <S4ry> Tyt = take your time
[13:04] <Raydiation> ah ok
[13:05] <S4ry> Raydiation, gnomefreak  https://help.launchpad.net/
[13:05] <Raydiation> S4ry: launchpad was easier some years ago imho
[13:05] <Raydiation> sometimes bad choice for words
[13:06] <Raydiation> for instance: nominate for release? wth does it mean? it should rather be: affects releases
[13:06] <S4ry> Mmm , i guess i am late then .. i've been using it for 1 year now
[13:07] <S4ry> aha
[13:07] <Raydiation> or also affects releases
[13:08] <Raydiation> k im off, cya ;)
[13:08] <S4ry> can someone Suggest such thing ,,
[13:09] <S4ry> whoops !
[13:09] <S4ry> Wb
[13:13] <gnomefreak> there now anyone asks about FF4 and/or X we can send them to /topic
[13:13] <Pici> Is X still broke?
[13:13] <gnomefreak> Pici: yep im in TTY atm
[13:14] <gnomefreak> workarounds but next nvidia-current upload will fix it. we are waiting on nvidia to rebuild drivers for kernel
[13:14] <gnomefreak> s/will/should
[13:15] <gnomefreak> xorg-edgers im testing in a bit
[13:16] <gnomefreak> i think i will have micah post to our mailing list than i can point people there
[13:16]  * gnomefreak too damn lazy
[13:28] <om26er> are the archives frozen for beta? was there an announcement?
[13:32] <gnomefreak> i have X :)
[13:33] <gnomefreak> what should i be grepping for in glxinfo  to see if i have 3d
[13:36] <Chipaca> gnomefreak: try xdriinfo rather than glxinfo
[13:36] <Chipaca> gnomefreak: easier to grep :)
[13:37] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ xdriinfo
[13:37] <gnomefreak> libGL is too old.
[13:38] <Chipaca> hehe
[13:38] <gnomefreak> direct rendering: Yes  :)
[13:40] <Ian_corne> $ xdriinfo
[13:40] <Ian_corne> Screen 0: nouveau
[13:41] <Ian_corne> :p
[13:41] <Ian_corne> that's all I get
[13:43] <gnomefreak> grep rendering
[13:43] <gnomefreak> Ian_corne: using xorg-edgers PPA will get you 3d nvidia
[13:43] <gnomefreak> should
[13:44] <Chipaca> hmm
[13:45] <Chipaca> gnomefreak: you wouldn't by chance know how to get X/splash on a core i7 with integrated intel (using the 2.6.35 from M)? I'm having to use 2.6.36 from a ppa, and get no splash :)
[13:45] <gnomefreak> Chipaca: nope sorry
[13:45] <Chipaca> I had to ask :)
[13:47] <Raydiation> hm what does this mean: warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug//usr/bin/evince" does not match "/usr/bin/evince" (CRC mismatch).
[13:47] <Raydiation> i installed evince-dbg
[13:47] <kroson> gnomefreak: actually im not sure he needs the ppa
[13:48] <kroson> Ian_corne: try to install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[13:58] <nigelb> 27
[14:04] <gnomefreak> reall idealy adding ignoreabi to xorg.conf will fix it. at lewast for alot of others it has
[14:14] <gnomefreak> i have working X and dont have ignoreabi in it :)
[14:20] <Raydiation> hehe just found another one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/627407
[16:39] <dandi8> Help! I installed Maverick on my laptop and it's very slow - also CPU usage spikes up to 100% if I do anything at all (like moving a window for example)
[16:43] <dandi8> ...anyone?
[16:44]  * patdk-wk would recommend not moving windows then
[16:44] <dandi8> lol
[16:44] <dandi8> seriously
[16:44] <dandi8> I need help
[16:44] <patdk-wk> I have no clue :)
[16:44] <dandi8> but there's so many other people here! Why won't they respond? o.O
[16:45] <patdk-wk> I'm sure if they where around, and had a clue, they would
[16:45] <patdk-wk> with this many users in here, normally a max of 5 different people talk per day
[16:45] <dandi8> are you suggesting that all these people are afk?
[16:45] <patdk-wk> yep
[16:45] <dandi8> where can I get the so-called Free Ubuntu Support then?
[16:46] <dandi8> let's try that again
[16:46] <dandi8> Help! I installed Maverick on my laptop and it's very slow - also CPU usage spikes up to 100% if I do anything at all (like moving a window for example)
[16:47] <mbeierl> dandi8: did you read the issues surrounding the latest X updates?
[16:47] <dandi8> ummm... I'm not sure
[16:47] <mbeierl> dandi8: also, are you aware that it is alpha software and subject to break?
[16:47] <dandi8> yes
[16:47] <dandi8> but it's the only one that works
[16:47] <dandi8> I tried 10.04 and all I got was a black screen after splash
[16:48] <patdk-wk> what video card?
[16:48] <mbeierl> right now there are a lot of changes going on in the X display space which involves the potential for things to break
[16:48] <dandi8> Intel 82852/855
[16:49] <patdk-wk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466969&page=2
[16:51] <dandi8> are you suggesting I downgrade?
[16:51] <patdk-wk> I dunno that you can actually call that a downgrade
[16:52] <patdk-wk> but you probably have several different issues going on, that is going make it really hard for someone to help you
[16:52] <dandi8> well I would be downgrading from Maverick to Lucid
[16:52] <dandi8> several issues? Why's that?
[16:52] <patdk-wk> as maverick isn't out, and isn't stable, you can't call it a downgrade :)
[16:53] <patdk-wk> well, it sounds like you still have intel driver issues
[16:53] <patdk-wk> as most people don't have window moving problems
[16:53] <patdk-wk> and it's probably compounded wit hthe X upgrade
[16:54] <patdk-wk> as most people aren't running maverick, getting help to solve your issues will be limited
[16:54] <patdk-wk> where as a 2second google search found that solution pretty damn quick
[16:54] <dandi8> yeah
[16:55] <dandi8> but they're talking about some specific beta 2 release or something
[16:55] <dandi8> and also there's other solutions on that page
[16:55] <dandi8> I'm not sure which one I should choose
[16:55] <dandi8> and also It's not a window moving problem - it's a performance problem
[16:55] <dandi8> WHATEVER I do I get slowdowns
[16:56] <patdk-wk> I don't see any beta2 on that page
[16:56] <dandi8> first page
[16:56] <patdk-wk> well, I didn't read the first page
[16:56] <patdk-wk> the thread probably started when beta2 was released cause many people upgrade then
[16:56] <patdk-wk> beta2 maverick is not here yet
[16:56]  * S4ry staring 
[16:56] <dandi8> "PS: The difficulty is finding an image of Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2! I happen to have a CD from my earlier tests. Avoid kernel 2.6.32-21 since the Kennel Model Setting is not yet working ok with Intel 85x graphics."
[16:57] <dandi8> ohai S4ry
[16:57] <S4ry> Hey Friend ,
[16:57] <S4ry> i found something , it a bug reported
[16:57] <S4ry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/518938/comments/4
[16:58] <dandi8> well, that one is.
[16:58] <S4ry> looks like a kernel issue
[16:58] <S4ry> BRB
[17:00] <patdk-wk> that would say his current issue isn't a kernel issue though
[17:00] <patdk-wk> cause he is using the newer kernel with maverick
[17:00] <patdk-wk> but it would fix lucid
[17:01] <dandi8> o.O?
[17:07] <mbeierl> dandi8: there are two suggestions for you here from the others responding: 1) re-install Lucid and try to fix the problem with the black screen after splash and 2) wait for maverick to become stable
[17:09] <dandi8> hmm
[17:09] <dandi8> when will Maverick become stable, more or less? Just out of curiosity
[17:24] <mbeierl> dandi8: that's a tough one.  It's similar to the question "how long is a piece of string?"  It's in the alpha stages right now and should be moving to beta perhaps mid September, but the reality is that there are many developers at play in the X server space and it's simply going to take some time before it becomes stable again.
[17:24] <mbeierl> if it takes too long they will be looking at backing it all out, though
[17:24] <mbeierl> doubtful that would happen, but it's always a fall back position :)
[17:25] <mbeierl> but it sounds like right now you're running without any hardware acceleration whatsoever for your display, forcing your main CPU to do all the work of rendering the movement of the window
[17:26] <mbeierl> for now, do you have all graphical effects turned off?
[17:27] <dandi8> well
[17:27] <dandi8> I had them turned off
[17:27] <dandi8> and I did an experiment
[17:27] <dandi8> I turned on standard
[17:27] <dandi8> it didn't change a thing
[17:27] <dandi8> I don't even see any eyecandy
[17:27] <dandi8> and I also came to the conclusion of no hardware acceleration
[17:28] <dandi8> because every time I try to do something GFX-extensive
[17:28] <dandi8> my CPU goes to 100%
[17:28] <dandi8> I guess I'll try installing Ubuntu 10.041 Alternate with the workaround
[17:28] <dandi8> think that'll help?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> well, the only issue in lucid with it was, your video card isn't supported
[17:29] <patdk-wk> the new kernel will fix that
[17:29] <dandi8> what new kernel?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> the 2.6.33 one
[17:29] <patdk-wk> or 2.6.34
[17:30] <dandi8> which versions are those in?
[17:30] <patdk-wk> maverick, or kernel ppa's
[17:30] <dandi8> I AM on maverick
[17:30] <patdk-wk> ya, and that isn't your current issue, or isn't the only issue :)
[17:30] <dandi8> o.O
[17:31] <dandi8> so will downgrading to 10.041 work or not?
[17:31] <po1ter> my sound volume doesn't change when scrolling the indicator applet anymore.. anyone know if this is a know bug?
[17:31] <po1ter> have tried searching launchpad, but.. no luck so far
[17:31] <dandi8> you make it sound like it won't
[17:31] <Ian_corne> I don't get all the fuss about the sound menu
[17:31] <patdk-wk> downgrading to lucid won't fix it, cause the lucid kernel doesn't support it
[17:31] <Ian_corne> it's so
[17:31] <Ian_corne> useless?
[17:31] <patdk-wk> so that is why install from alt cd, then install a newer kernel
[17:31] <dandi8> so what should I do?
[17:31] <dandi8> oh
[17:32] <dandi8> how do I do that?
[17:32] <dandi8> is it the thing that's described in the workarounds?
[17:32] <patdk-wk> just add the kernel ppa from the console
[17:32] <patdk-wk> yep
[17:32] <dandi8> oh ok
[17:32] <dandi8> and that will make it work?
[17:32] <dandi8> with hardware acceleration and all?
[17:32] <patdk-wk> dunno
[17:32] <dandi8> XD
[17:32] <patdk-wk> none of my intel videos support accelleration :)
[17:32] <dandi8> well, I guess I have no other choice...
[17:33] <dandi8> o.O
[17:33] <dandi8> oh well then
[17:33] <patdk-wk> normally the first thing I do is disable acceleration, cause it causes me too many issues with my programs
[17:33] <dandi8> woot
[17:33] <dandi8> so you can't even play Tux Racer then?
[17:33] <patdk-wk> why would I want to play a game?
[17:33] <dandi8> 'cause games are fun
[17:34] <dandi8> I'm gonna idle around here for some time until the alternate install downloads
[17:34] <dandi8> then I'm gonna reinstall and see what happens
[17:36] <po1ter> oh nice, fix already commited to fix my scrolling to change volume problems
[17:37]  * olegb looks at topic 
[17:37] <olegb> so, firefox will not make 10.10
[17:39] <po1ter> hmm, wait, Firefox won't be in 10.10? where can i read about this?
[17:40] <Raydiation> gnome-shell doesnt work :)
[17:59] <mbeierl> po1ter: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/ubuntu-1010-to-ship-with-firefox-36.html  - What the topic means is firefox *4* won't make 10.10 :)
[17:59] <Ian_corne> from the getgo
[17:59] <Ian_corne> but they're updating firefox on older versions too, right?
[18:03] <po1ter> mbeierl, oooh, well that's a lot less exciting :P
[18:04] <mbeierl> hee hee, yup
[18:04] <mbeierl> po1ter: but it got your attention, no?
[18:04] <olegb> hehe :-)
[18:04] <po1ter> mbeierl, hehe, it did it did
[18:05] <mbeierl> "you just proved bench-advertising works"
[18:05] <po1ter> :)
[18:15] <asdf_baron> 2-finger scrolling on my synaptics touhchpad is broken in 10.10
[18:27] <kroson> are the packages already frozen for beta or still bug fixes?
[18:29] <charlie-tca> frozen for beta
[18:30] <JoshuaL_> so, what if a bug is fixed upstream, will it end up in 10.10 or not?
[18:32] <yermandu> i want update gcc with 4.4.3 or later ... there are some repository for this?
[18:32] <ChogyDan> JoshuaL_: I think it depends on teh bug
[18:33] <charlie-tca> bug fixes normally get into the releases. It is just frozen for three days
[18:33] <ChogyDan> yermandu: I don't know, but is gcc-4.4 what you are looking for?
[18:33] <charlie-tca> Nothing new goes in, but the bug fixes normally will
[18:34] <yermandu> gcc --version
[18:34] <yermandu> gcc (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu9) 4.4.1
[18:35] <yermandu> i looking for 4.4.3 or more
[18:35] <kroson> charlie-tca: yesterday there were still some updates
[18:35] <kroson> so no more package updates until thursday?
[18:35] <charlie-tca> I wouldn't say that
[18:35] <charlie-tca> I would say critical updates are always made to happen
[18:37] <kroson> ok tks
[18:38] <ChogyDan> yermandu: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[18:40] <yermandu> ChogyDan: 9.10
[18:41] <ChogyDan> yermandu: ya, it is in lucid and maverick.
[18:42] <yermandu> ChogyDan: ok
[18:50] <sburwood> what does anyone think about Maverick?
[18:51] <sburwood> is it good?
[18:53] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  well last i tried it if was fine
[18:53] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  it had bugs of course but it is not released yet so >>>
[18:53] <sburwood> would it work on an EEEPC or a Pentium 4?
[18:54] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  should work on a pentium 4   I ran it on one a few weeks ago
[18:54] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  not sure about eeepc
[18:54] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  P4 at what ghz?
[18:54] <sburwood> mine is a 2.4G CPU
[18:54] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  should be fine
[18:55] <sburwood> AGP and all that old stuff
[18:55] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  yes I have a system pretty much like that and it ran fine
[18:55] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  the speed of the hard drive is going to effect performance but the cpu should not post any problem
[18:55] <sburwood> If I had enough money, I'd get a newer computer
[18:55] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  I hear you :)
[18:56] <sburwood> but I don't
[18:56] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  ubuntu runs like lightning on newer stystem...I have installed it for clients...compiz like lighting on them as well :)
[18:56] <sburwood> is there a way to test its final RC on the EEEPC?
[18:57] <sburwood> before trying it?
[18:57] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  ah not sure... I have never used an eeepc before so i am the wrong person to ask
[18:57] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  if it has a cd drove then just run the live cd
[18:57] <cozziemoto> cd drive
[18:57] <sburwood> live CD on a USB key, for example
[18:57] <cozziemoto> sburwood,  i am not sure
[18:57] <sburwood> no CD player
[18:57] <sburwood> thanks anyway
[18:57] <cozziemoto> you will have to ask someone else here about th at
[18:57] <cozziemoto> I need to go now so be back later
[18:58] <sburwood> I'm going to watch "Murder She Wrote" in French on the TV
[18:58] <sburwood> bye
[19:39] <blueyed> plymouthd currently does not stop when I'm in kdm already ("plymouth --ping" gives success). Also no VT's. Known problem? (using nvidia-current, and just have purged xorg-edgers, to get back to "mainline").
[19:51] <bnt007> How do i add a trash icon in the "main menu" ?, i have to click on 'new item', and then... ?
[19:52] <bnt007> any1?
[19:54] <DrHalan> this has be bothering me for so long. everytime i login my sound is set to mute
[20:00] <polter> DrHalan, logging out and shutting down works ok?
[20:01] <polter> cause I've had some issues with settings not being saved correctly, and it seemed to be that way because it didn't shut down cleanly
[20:01] <polter> but I'm not sure
[20:01] <DrHalan> it shuts down fine
[20:18] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:18] <sebsebseb> Right so the option for btrfs support will get removed from  the alternate ISO?  and the desktop for that matter if it has one now?  and people who have 10.10 with btrfs can still run it,  but they will be pretty much on their own, since 10.10 won't offer it anymore optionally? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/btrfs-wont-be-supported-in-maverick.html
[20:19] <sebsebseb> om26er you commented there, so you can probably answer the above ^
[20:20] <om26er> sebsebseb, no
[20:20] <sebsebseb> om26er: no to what?
[20:20] <om26er> sebsebseb, you are and will be able to install Maverick on btrfs. just not the grub part
[20:22] <sebsebseb> om26er: and the Grub thing is only so that /boot can be on btrfs?
[20:22] <om26er> sebsebseb, yes
[20:23] <sebsebseb> om26er: I assume you have used it properly by now, I haven't.  I had a vm before with it, but that was it,  and didn't even know how to use snap shots at the time,  and probably a bit pointless really to  try in a vm, but anyway.
[20:24] <om26er> my maverick machine was on btrfs unlast the system broken so hard had to remove :(
[20:24] <sebsebseb> and I don't  know how to use snapshots at the moment either, since haven't read anything proper about that.   It seems to be the only proper reason to do btrfs though from what I have read.
[20:25] <om26er> snapshots for N
[20:25] <sebsebseb> for N? natt?
[20:25] <sebsebseb> natty?
[20:25]  * om26er expects btrfs to be the default FS for Natty
[20:25] <sebsebseb> probably need something graphical for snapshots,  I hope  distros reolize that,  and not just Ubuntu :)
[20:26] <om26er> most probably others distros will make the move too
[20:26] <sebsebseb> yeah and Gnome 3 probably by default for 11.04 as well?
[20:26] <om26er> not gnome-shell for N as far as i can think
[20:26] <sebsebseb> Why not?
[20:27] <om26er> we just cant pick it and ship with ubuntu IMO. atleast Ubuntu need 1whole cycle to make shell better
[20:27] <sebsebseb> om26er: it wasn't going to be for 10.10, but by the time it comes out in March next year,  unless  they delay again of course,  it will proably be quite stable and good, well I hope so anyway
[20:27] <sebsebseb> om26er: Your one of the Ubuntu devs aren't you?
[20:28] <om26er> maybe we might get something new at the UDS.. Ubuntu Unity for Desktop Edition :p
[20:28] <om26er> sebsebseb, no
[20:28] <sebsebseb> om26er: Oh Unity for the destop edition is bound to annoy a lot of people from the wider Linux community.
[20:28] <sebsebseb> om26er: I mean if its done any time soon
[20:29] <sebsebseb> instead of Gnome Shell
[20:29] <om26er> if Unity is going to be used for Desktop it needs to be altered big time for desktop needs
[20:29] <sebsebseb> om26er: I haven't tried it yet, but quite similar to Gnome Shell,  apparently
[20:29] <sebsebseb> or well what shell will probably be
[20:31] <om26er> unity is too different from Shell
[20:31] <sebsebseb> om26er: no one is really quite sure what shell is going to be at the moment though
[20:31] <sebsebseb> om26er: except for Gnome people I guess
[20:32] <om26er> sebsebseb, I think gnome people dont even know what it will look like ;)
[20:33] <sebsebseb> om26er: 2011 should be a pretty interesting year for Desktop Linux
[20:33] <sebsebseb> om26er: btrfs by default in loads of distros probably, and  Gnome 3 by default in loads of distros probably as well
[20:34] <om26er> except for the Shell part which dont attract me :O
[20:35] <sebsebseb> om26er: not the latest version,  but I am running this Gnome Shell 3 preview, on a daily basis nearly or well pretty much,  in my current non Ubuntu distro
[20:35] <sebsebseb> wasn't so keen on it at first though, since how its black, and such, but then got really used to
[20:35] <dupondje> Thunderbird does not show a message anymore when new email arrives ? :s
[20:36] <sebsebseb> om26er: however remember those mock ups on omgubuntu sure you do?  where it looked a lot more like Unity
[20:37] <sebsebseb> om26er: so  I am expecting a lot of changes to what I am currently using,  by the final
[20:37] <om26er> sebsebseb, ya those. when gnome-shell releases unity might even evolve already
[20:37] <sebsebseb> om26er: what do you mean unity might even evolve?
[20:37] <om26er> improved
[20:38] <om26er> lighter, faster and glossy
[20:38] <sebsebseb> om26er: I think 10.10 is going to be much better on the net book edition, than the desktop, since Unity
[20:39] <sebsebseb> which is a bit hrm in a way, since  desktop edition will be used more than the netbook, I guess
[20:39] <sebsebseb> a lot more
[20:39] <om26er> 10.10 for Netbooks. 11.04 for Beauty. 11.10- 12.04 Desktop
[20:39] <om26er> my guess ofcource ;)
[20:39] <sebsebseb> om26er: 11.04 for beauty,   well maybe so from Mark's natty annoucment
[20:39] <sebsebseb> ,but if they aren't using Gnome Shell, how they going to do that
[20:40] <sebsebseb> om26er: something about how 11.04 will take advantage of modern graphics cards more, or whatever, he was saying, thats what I mean.
[20:41]  * om26er wonders where did the 10sec boot go
[20:41] <om26er> maybe Upstart-1.0 will boost things
[20:42] <sebsebseb> om26er: the original plan was that they would use 11.04 and 11.10  to prepare 12.04 for Gnome 3, so  I think that yes it may become default in 11.04.
[20:42] <sebsebseb> dupondje: hrm
[20:42] <sebsebseb> dupondje: maybe try the mozilla help?
[20:42] <sebsebseb> dupondje: I mean their network?   Ubuntu doesn't make Thunderbird after all
[20:42] <sebsebseb> om26er: boot in 10.10 you mean?
[20:43] <om26er> ya
[20:43]  * om26er gets back to NCIS
[20:43] <sebsebseb> om26er: Beta soon, do you know what that means, when it comes to this channel?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> I do!
[20:44] <sebsebseb> om26er: anyway it means, it will turn into much more a support channel, since more people
[20:44] <om26er> beta will certainly fill activity in here.
[20:44] <duffydack> So, whats this all about? it works though.. "Ignoring file 'chromium-daily-dev-maverick.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension"
[20:45] <om26er> duffydack, I read a workaround somewhere
[20:45] <sebsebseb> much more of a support channel, yeah
[20:45] <om26er> duffydack, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/fix-ignoring-file-save-in-directory.html
[20:46] <duffydack> well its not a fix, so i`ll just leave it..
[20:46] <duffydack> it doesnt hurt me :)
[20:51] <duffydack> hmm, installed ppa for nautilus elementary, its not picking up any upgrade
[20:52] <om26er> duffydack, that might be cuz nautilus in Maverick is 2.31.90
[20:52] <duffydack> doh
[20:54] <duffydack> spose I could force it
[20:54] <duffydack> and risk imploding the universe.
[21:01] <duffydack> meh, nautilus doesnt work now.  ok back to the default.
[21:55] <napsy> Hello. Do catalyst drivers work on ubuntu 10.10 daily?
[21:55] <kroson> napsy: no :(
[21:56] <napsy> what about opensource radeon, does ubuntu shp the one which support powersaving?
[21:56] <napsy> ship*
[21:56] <kroson> napsy: im not sure but i think so, powersaving is much improved in 2.6.35
[21:57] <napsy> ok kul
[22:20] <jenkins> anyone had any problems with mavrick locking up? this time it went away but sometimes it locks up for ages. I am unable to click anything in the gui but some keyboard shortcuts work
[22:24] <blueyed> jenkins: not for me.. you may want to have "top" or something like that running in the background to see what's on when it happens again.
[22:24] <jenkins> blueyed: I have looked at top previously as i managed to get to a terminal window but I did not see anything abnormal to me
[22:25] <blueyed> hmm, cannot help any further sorry. maybe iotop helps more?
[22:25] <blueyed> anyway, I'm off now.
[23:21] <duffy> lshw hung my machine.. lulz
[23:28] <yofel> duffy: probably bug 620114 / bug 614008