[00:09] voidmage: its the open source driver [00:10] i'm fine with nouveau i guess.. [00:10] just don't know if it's better. [00:10] depends, iirc it handles a few things better, but it has no cuda or vdpau support [00:10] couple of days i found out that the open source java-thing kind of sucks. :D [00:11] heard cuda, don't recognize vdpau [00:11] vdpau is hardware video decoding [00:11] oh, that might be nice [00:11] have only seen mplayer support that though, haven't tried totem [00:12] considering that i watch 1080 movies while i unpack large files on a aes-drive where the rars are encrypted themselves.. [00:12] yofel: http://codebits.eu/quiz/2010/longstring.txt [00:12] Machtin: that has nothing to do with jdk, thats a java issue [00:12] :) [00:12] i think videolan supports that too since a couple of weeks, no? [00:13] uh, would have guessed jre Raydiation.. but i'm not really into that stuff.. just noticed that with the 'original' thing my excessively used java-downloader works quite a lot faster than with the other thing [00:13] BUGabundo: sorry, I haven't yet learned to talk binary, could you translate that :P [00:14] Good lord o.o [00:14] I have to agree about openjdk being sucky. It just doesnt work with what I use [00:14] kinda weird if its the original java open source stuff [00:15] trying to [00:15] like i said.. don't really know.. but it took the tool seconds to perform a task after clicking whereas it works instantly now with sun (or oracle these days) [00:19] I kinda think this is a bin yofel. so need to convert it to exec. any ideas? [00:21] well, off to bed. Thanks so far guys! :) night [00:21] nite [00:31] BUGabundo: not offhand, would have to guess here and I can't think of a binary conversion tool currently (other than writing one myself) [00:31] if I have the binary [00:31] it should be possible to use a hex tool to make an exec file [00:31] right? [00:31] but ghex and few others do NOTHING [00:32] BUGabundo: what are you trying to do? [00:32] cheating a context :P [00:33] what context? [00:33] actually just trying to find the awnser [00:33] napsy: codebits.eu [00:33] can we please move this topic to another channel [00:34] this is only the 1st quiz. [00:34] yes gnomefreak. sorry :| [00:34] thanks. i guess i should say please more often :) [00:35] ahah [00:36] * gnomefreak trying to figure out how to add ignoreabi to a file that cant exist [00:37] xorg.conf can exist very well [00:37] or what are you talking about? :P [00:37] yofel: i have to remove it to get anything including TTY [00:37] :( [00:39] yofel: see bug 613458 [00:39] Launchpad bug 613458 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "After upgrading to latest kernel i get a black screen and cant do anything except ctrl+alt+delete to reboot" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613458 [00:39] ah right [00:40] :\ [00:40] im about to get my devel box up so i will be upgrading from Lucid [01:17] has kernel 2.6.35 worked for anyone else on 10.10 [01:19] sure. What are your specific symptoms? Have you filed a bug report? [01:19] crimsun_, i just can't boot into the kernel [01:19] mininessie, kernel panic? [01:20] Daekdroom, drm nouveau [01:20] Daekdroom, parmin flush or something like that [01:20] Hm, I'm not very into nouveau drm.. [01:29] kernel 2.6.35 doesn't work [01:48] crimsun_, is sdl doing any software mixing like pulse or is it just hardware? [01:49] bjsnider: "software mixing"? [01:50] bjsnider: if you're asking whether it functions as "sound server", the answer is no. [01:50] a similar "layer" would be GStreamer or xine-lib. [01:52] a guy is telling me that he can only play a stream from his tv card if he uses the sdl driver in mplayer instead of pulse or alsa. otherwise playback isn't smooth enough. i can't see why [01:52] the sdl audio backend is either going to be pulse or alsa. [01:53] dpkg -l libsdl1.2\*|grep ^ii [01:54] that only makes it even more confusing, unless it's just a quirk of mplayer's [01:54] I'm not sure why that's more confusing. [01:55] because if sdl is using pulse or alsa anyway, then mplayer's pulse or alsa drivers should also work fine [01:55] Is the symptom reproducible using 1) mplayer from the motumedia ppa with 2) linux-alsa-driver-modules from the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa? [01:55] *** 2:1.0~rc4~try1-1ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 0 [01:55] 2:1.0~rc3+svn20090426-1ubuntu16 0 [01:56] pretty significant updates [01:57] he's using mplayer-git from my ppa, and the rest should be stock lucid packages [01:57] the stock mplayer from lucid is even worse [01:57] but the hardware is an ion netbook [01:57] not sure what they use for sound [01:58] I'm troubleshooting blindly here, because there haven't been answers to my questions ;) [01:59] [note: begin with the sdl audio backend] [02:02] i can definitely tell him to try the audio-dev ppa [02:49] so what exactly why isn't there anymore 64-bit daily live? === jjcm is now known as jjcm_UBUNTURULZ === jjcm_UBUNTURULZ is now known as jjcm [05:50] argh, btrfs == ouch. [05:50] http://pastebin.com/gGZWZt5s [05:50] Oddly enough, the kernel is still alive, despite not having a heartbeat. [05:50] (heartbeat LED is off.) === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [07:26] hi when booting i get "kernel-provided name 'dm-0' and NAME='/mapper/linux-root' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name" and the boot stalls [07:38] Great, that btrfs usb stick's file system is so broken, it kills the kernel. [07:39] http://pastebin.com/gGZWZt5s [07:42] That seems to be a non-recoverable error. [07:42] Thankfully, it's not data I don't have anywhere else. [07:48] DanaG: What kernel version? [07:49] Happens with kernel-ppa 64-bit 36-rc2, and with whatever I'm booted on on my netbook. [07:49] Linux samsung 2.6.35-19-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 26 19:13:05 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux [07:52] I have a metadata image of the thing -- 171MB. [08:22] Argh, stupid gnome-power-manager.... it's spazzing out, flickering between two brightness levels, and eating my CPU so badly it makes even typing lag. [08:25] In fact, it's so busy spazzing, it won't even blank the LCD when the lid closed. [08:25] btrfs shows more free space on my usb than it actually can carry :( [09:10] "Downloading Packages Packages" [09:10] "Downloading Sources Sources" [09:10] =/ [09:10] So says update-manager. [09:10] hi all - I can't access my cd drive.. I can manually press the eject button on the drive, and it opens, and I put in a CD, but then once in, even though I know the CD should be recognized (and is normally), it won't recognize! Nothing happens.. How can I refresh the CD driver or something? Or what do I do (without rebooting)? [09:12] thehizz: you can't refresh a cd driver - that's not needed [09:12] thehizz: what's on the CD? [09:12] ikonia, ok, so how do I force it to recognize and blank the CD? [09:12] it's a blank CD ? [09:12] ikonia, data to be discarded - and to reburn [09:13] thehizz: then it's not blank [09:13] thehizz: what data is on it [09:13] old files [09:13] what type of datas [09:13] nothing problematic.. just random stuff [09:13] data [09:13] ok - I'm not going to help you as you are unable to answer my questions [09:13] doesn't matter what on the cd - no matter what cd i put in, the same thing happens [09:13] it's a cd of music, this one [09:14] they are all either cd-rw's or dvd-rw's [09:14] I'm not interested, I shouldn't have to pull data from you when you are requesting help [09:14] good luck [09:14] pull data? [09:14] dude, your questions are irrelevant. it's data. the cd itself is not being recognized. the drive isn't even being recognized! [09:14] yes, ask a question 3 times [09:14] how do you know the drive isn't being recoginsed [09:15] doesn't matter what's on the cd or dvd. it happens with all dvd and cd i put in. the cd/dvd drive itself isn't recognized, despite working fine an hour or so ago. [09:15] how do you know the drive isn't being recoginsed [09:15] i've done the cle "df -l" and "df" [09:15] it doesn't show up [09:15] that means nothing [09:15] that only shows mounted file systems [09:15] and if your drive isn't mounted it won't show up [09:15] i've checked a few other commands, after reading the various forums.. [09:15] which ones [09:15] but it wasn't being recognized [09:16] what other commands have you used to show it's not recoignised [09:16] recognised [09:16] I tail the /var/log/syslog.. when I put in and out a CD/DVD [09:17] that proves nothing again [09:17] Hmm, probably it's the new equivalent of the old "hal" having polling disabled. [09:17] there were others too.. I don't remember them all.. however, the end conclusion of the forum reading was that it wasn't being recognized.. do you have a better test commandline? [09:17] Not sure how you'd fix that nowadays. [09:17] thehizz: I disagree [09:17] thehizz: I suspect it is recognised as CD drives are dumb [09:17] sudo eject -T /dev/scd0 [09:17] if it's not recognised, it's broken, [09:17] T toggles. [09:18] DanaG, eject cd command failed.. input/output error [09:18] Weird. [09:18] if the drive is not recognised, it is more likley the drive is broken [09:19] ikonia, drive's not broken. [09:19] as drives are so "dumb" it would take a pretty special drive to not be recognised [09:19] thehizz: how do you know ? [09:19] it worked fine an hour ago.. i'm sure if I could restart the computer it'd work fine as well.. but I can't reboot [09:19] working an hour ago does not mean it's not broke now [09:20] why can't you reboot ? [09:20] big project going - can't reboot [09:20] what's stopping you rebooting ? [09:20] you've using a development version (10.10) for a "big project" ? [09:21] ikonia, omg, dude, if you can't help, don't help - but stop the belittling [09:21] I'm not [09:21] I'm asking you questions to get to the bottom of the situation and resolve it [09:21] ok, fine. answer: yes. [09:21] what else will help you "resolve"? [09:22] did dmesg | grep -i cd | grep -i rom ... "doesn't have tracks recognized" [09:22] you're giving me information as "fact" such as "the drive is not broke" and "the data doesn't" matter, when you can provide no information to back this up [09:22] thehizz: again - that doesn't mean anything [09:23] ok, well, suggest what I can do to give you meaningful and useful information. I don't know better how to answer about 'what's data on the disk'. [09:23] thehizz: one of 3 things is happening here 1.) the drive is broke 2.) the data on the CD's is not supported in it's current application 3.) part of the IO subsystem has hung, which as your using a development version, is possible [09:24] ok..... [09:25] I'm going to assume that 3 is the culprit. How shall I test? [09:25] reboot the box [09:25] That's not a test [09:25] And again, I can't reboot [09:25] then you need to wait until you can [09:25] That's the best 'test' you can come up with? The best fix? But you know everything about every commandline command that isn't helpful? [09:26] Seriously? [09:26] thehizz: you've told me the device is not recognised (despite no facts to back this up) so you'll need to reboot to get it to walk the device again and see if it picks it up [09:26] anything beyond that will be a futile test [09:26] what can fix it without rebooting? [09:27] unknown, if it's unrecognised, it will need to probe it again [09:27] as cddrives are not normally hot plug, a reboot will be needed [09:27] that's why I was saying - somehow there must be a way to refresh the driver or restart the drive.. how do I manually tell it to probe the drive? [09:27] no [09:28] that makes no sense.. linux is all powerful.. how is there not a way to re-probe a cd/dvd drive? [09:28] it's nothing to do with linux [09:28] so why not then? [09:28] it's a hardware limitation, CD drives are not normally hot plug, and your board probably isn't, so it will need a reboot [09:28] the same is true in any os [09:29] I can make the CD hot plug - there are other devices hot-plugged on my cpu [09:29] thehizz: how can you make a non-hotplug device hot plug ? [09:34] ikonia, I just did sudo hdparm -I /dev/sr0 ... got (identify) failed: Invalid exchange.. [09:34] thehizz: say, what sort of drive is the CD drive? [09:34] cd/dvd-rw [09:34] simple one from newegg.. liteon maybe [09:34] if it's sata, on an AHCI controller, you can use scsiadd to remove and reattach the drive. [09:34] Just be very careful not to remove your boot drive. =þ [09:35] thehizz: what do you expect that do to ? [09:35] scsiadd -r 4 0 0 0 removes my eSATA. If I do scsiadd -r 4, it removes the wrong thing. [09:35] the device isn't hot plug [09:35] What matters most is the motherboard, not the drive. [09:36] For example, my CD bay is not hotpluggable according to BIOS, but it's hotpluggable just fine in Linux. [09:36] I just yank the thing and replug it. [09:36] all sata devices are hotpluggable [09:36] But, some SATA controllers (such as nforce4) don't like that. [09:36] It's a sata dvd/cd drive, yes.. [09:37] how do I determine the correct scsi number? [09:37] scsiadd -p [09:37] prints current status. [09:38] oh, and before doing -r, try: [09:38] lsof /dev/scd0 [09:38] it'll tell you if any app has it open. [09:38] or rather, fuser. [09:39] "Ubuntu One Disabled." [09:39] I did both.. none seem using it.. [09:40] but which number in scsiadd -p determines number for -r command? [09:40] An example: [09:40] Host: scsi4 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 [09:40] Vendor: ATA Model: eSATA-2 HD642JJ Rev: 1AA0 [09:40] scsiadd -r 4 0 0 0 [09:40] Make sure to have ALL four fields there. [09:41] ok.. sudo or not? [09:41] Yeah, needs sudo. [09:41] That question, "install suid root?" -- nobody sane would answer yes, because then any user could unplug the boot drive and crash the system. [09:42] Also make sure to use your numbers. =þ [09:42] k, removed the dvd drive.. now what? [09:42] sudo scsiadd -s [09:42] Rescans the bus for drives. [09:43] didnt' seem to find/add it [09:43] DanaG: I thought that would only work on hotplug kit [09:43] hmm. That's odd. [09:44] That may be true, after all. I forgot to ask what SATA controller... =/ [09:44] most home kit won't be hotplug without $$$$$ [09:45] there is that stupid "fake" hotplug on home kit, but that relies too much on the device [09:45] Any AHCI controller can do hotplug. [09:45] DanaG: but I thought that again depended on the device attatched [09:45] That's all recent Intel, AMD/ATI, and even nvidia. [09:45] (for the home user end kit) [09:46] It shouldn't. I've even gone eSATA port -> eSATA-to-SATA cable -> SATA-to-IDE converter -> IDE hard drive. Just had to get power elsewhere. [09:46] that's a big chain [09:47] but they are disks, CD and tape drives didn't play with it [09:47] Even that hack was hotpluggable. Some Silicon Image controller in the converter board. [09:47] Same was true for CD too. Or at least, eSATA -> SATA -> laptop CD drive works, as well. [09:48] It even exposes nicely the difference between "unplug" and "eject" in Windows. Eject disk CD_ROM (E:), and Eject HL-DT-ST GSA-T50L optical drive. [09:50] Ah, last thing to try: unplug/replug the power cable to the drive. But that's a last resort. [09:52] ah, off to bed I go soon. [09:53] Tue Aug 31 01:53:07 PDT 2010 [09:53] yeah. [09:55] I wouldn't do that on the fly incase it hangs the bus [10:00] ah. [10:01] Well, it all depends on what SATA controller. [10:01] For example, an old VIA one I think did hang when I tried that, but a SiI3112 dealt with it fine. And AHCI tends to deal okay with it in laptops, but desktops can vary. [10:30] i cant set my icons/window decorations any more [10:30] anyone got the same problem? [10:32] I dream of a world without Flash Player [10:33] damn this thing sux :( [10:33] plus i got aweful system sounds which i cant turn off [11:16] hm window decorations are gone, anyone else experiencing this bug? [11:16] i mean cant change the theme [11:16] its just some lameo default stuff [11:16] and default icons [11:19] Raydiation, is it gone after installing compiz fusion [11:20] S4ry: no, its gone after i rebooted today [11:20] ill take a screenshot [11:21] S4ry: http://s3.directupload.net/file/d/2268/ttok5y46_png.htm [11:21] i even tried it witha new user [11:21] i cant change theme or icons [11:21] plus i cant change sounds too [11:21] Wow ! thats very odd [11:22] I just installed Maverick early today , installed the updates [11:22] and everything is working just fine [11:24] S4ry: did you install updates and reboot? [11:24] Raydiation, is your Graphic card active [11:24] with dist-upgrade [11:24] yes, compiz works [11:25] no , a fresh install [11:25] but , i think you can upgrade as well .. [11:26] Raydiation, i meant the your pc graphic card .. [11:26] yes it is [11:27] from / System - Additional [11:27] ah , okay. [11:27] dont htink that has something to do with the theme though [11:27] its an engine issue and/or wrong rights when you want to set something imho [11:28] Mmm , themes engine .. [11:30] brb i ty if rebooting helps [11:30] Tyt [11:31] Help: getting "kernel-provided name 'dm-0' and NAME='/mapper/linux-root' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name" when booting nad the boot stalls [11:31] haha weird [11:31] everything works again [11:37] :) glad to know [11:41] bazhang, wb .. how you do [12:20] hi when booting i get "kernel-provided name 'dm-0' and NAME='/mapper/linux-root' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name" and the boot stalls [12:23] jca1981, [12:23] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581593 [12:23] Debian bug 581593 in dmsetup "udev: kernel-provided name 'dm-0' and NAME='/mapper/sdb2_crypt' disagree" [Important,Open] [12:25] hehe :) [12:25] quite fun searching bugs [12:25] :) [12:26] Yeah [12:26] you cant mark text in evince [12:26] or else it will crash [12:26] But i don't know why that bug isn't on launchpad [12:30] jca1981, you van report that bug on launchpad .. https://launchpad.net/ [12:44] hm, where can i set in evolution that emails shouldnt be deleted from the server? [12:44] should be in the preferences for each box [12:47] gnomefreak: hm i just see the "automatically check for new emails" line [12:47] Looks like , that option is not there anymore .. ' keep message on server [12:47] i am unable to check for a few reasons [12:47] Right ! [12:47] :) [12:47] im good at finding bugs [12:47] hrhr [12:48] :) [12:48] you mean feature [12:48] :D [12:48] if this is a feature i have to switch to a program with less features [12:48] hehe [12:49] lol [12:49] Raydiation: file a bug anyway maybe we can patch it to drop it as a feature [12:49] nice step [12:49] * gnomefreak would love to have X right now but hey at least i have a TTY this time [12:53] well i have ~1 hour for this to fix itself [12:55] gnomefreak, whats the issue .. [12:55] S4ry: X as normal. ignoreabi wont work since i have to remove xorg.conf [12:56] 2 bugs filed [12:56] i hoped i marked them right that they affect maverick [12:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/627366 [12:56] Launchpad bug 627366 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution: No keep email on Server option any more" [Undecided,New] [12:58] Raydiation, yeah , its marked right .. well done [12:59] * gnomefreak claps for Raydiation [12:59] gnomefreak, lets see i that has reported as a bug [12:59] :) [12:59] S4ry: what bug? [13:00] hm, i guess im going to get some sushi now *muhahaha* [13:00] I meant the X issue [13:00] :) [13:00] Raydiation, hold on [13:00] i filed one that i see and the work around is to remove xorg.conf [13:00] and the normal nvidia bug [13:00] gnomefreak, okay [13:00] nvidia also ! [13:01] thats why ingnorabi wont work but i think i have a way around this [13:01] Okay. [13:02] yep this in theory should work [13:02] cuz i have nvidia on my other pc .. things are fine there [13:02] brb smoke, its going to be a long damn day [13:02] S4ry: hm? [13:03] Tyt [13:03] Tyt? Thank you ... [13:03] O' Raydiation i was going o say .. we should learn how the launchpad works [13:03] Tyt = take your time [13:04] ah ok [13:05] Raydiation, gnomefreak https://help.launchpad.net/ [13:05] S4ry: launchpad was easier some years ago imho [13:05] sometimes bad choice for words [13:06] for instance: nominate for release? wth does it mean? it should rather be: affects releases [13:06] Mmm , i guess i am late then .. i've been using it for 1 year now [13:07] aha [13:07] or also affects releases [13:08] k im off, cya ;) [13:08] can someone Suggest such thing ,, [13:09] whoops ! [13:09] Wb === gnomefreak changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Official Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat support/discussion | IRC Guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines | Lucid support in #ubuntu | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule | Alpha 3 Released! See http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/alpha3 | Firefox will not make 10.10 | X is broken for a lot of people please see http://tinyurl.com/2ubbobd [13:13] there now anyone asks about FF4 and/or X we can send them to /topic [13:13] Is X still broke? [13:13] Pici: yep im in TTY atm [13:14] workarounds but next nvidia-current upload will fix it. we are waiting on nvidia to rebuild drivers for kernel [13:14] s/will/should [13:15] xorg-edgers im testing in a bit [13:16] i think i will have micah post to our mailing list than i can point people there [13:16] * gnomefreak too damn lazy [13:28] are the archives frozen for beta? was there an announcement? [13:32] i have X :) [13:33] what should i be grepping for in glxinfo to see if i have 3d [13:36] gnomefreak: try xdriinfo rather than glxinfo [13:36] gnomefreak: easier to grep :) [13:37] gnomefreak@Development:~$ xdriinfo [13:37] libGL is too old. [13:38] hehe [13:38] direct rendering: Yes :) [13:40] $ xdriinfo [13:40] Screen 0: nouveau [13:41] :p [13:41] that's all I get [13:43] grep rendering [13:43] Ian_corne: using xorg-edgers PPA will get you 3d nvidia [13:43] should [13:44] hmm [13:45] gnomefreak: you wouldn't by chance know how to get X/splash on a core i7 with integrated intel (using the 2.6.35 from M)? I'm having to use 2.6.36 from a ppa, and get no splash :) [13:45] Chipaca: nope sorry [13:45] I had to ask :) [13:47] hm what does this mean: warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug//usr/bin/evince" does not match "/usr/bin/evince" (CRC mismatch). [13:47] i installed evince-dbg [13:47] gnomefreak: actually im not sure he needs the ppa [13:48] Ian_corne: try to install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental [13:58] 27 [14:04] reall idealy adding ignoreabi to xorg.conf will fix it. at lewast for alot of others it has [14:14] i have working X and dont have ignoreabi in it :) [14:20] hehe just found another one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/627407 [14:20] Launchpad bug 627407 in indicator-applet (Ubuntu) "Click on Email on indicator applet opens Contacts instead of Mail when evolution is closed" [Undecided,New] === booboo is now known as coz_ === JanC_ is now known as JanC [16:39] Help! I installed Maverick on my laptop and it's very slow - also CPU usage spikes up to 100% if I do anything at all (like moving a window for example) [16:43] ...anyone? [16:44] * patdk-wk would recommend not moving windows then [16:44] lol [16:44] seriously [16:44] I need help [16:44] I have no clue :) [16:44] but there's so many other people here! Why won't they respond? o.O [16:45] I'm sure if they where around, and had a clue, they would [16:45]