[01:11] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, you were the last to upload to empathy lucid, would you be willing to review a merge request when you get the time?
[07:21] <didrocks> good morning
[07:23] <RAOF> Howdie didrocks!
[07:24] <didrocks> hey RAOF
[07:35] <RAOF> Sweet.  One working unity on -radeon, with only minor glitches.
[07:36] <didrocks> awesome! ;)
[07:38] <RAOF> It's always fun when applications only work because of mesa bugs!
[07:39] <RAOF> Then when they get fixed you can peer at the code and go “how did this ever work” :)
[07:39] <vish> didrocks: hey, wb :)
[07:40]  * vish might be late in welcoming .. ;)
[07:40] <didrocks> hey vish! nice to see you :-)
[07:40] <vish> :)
[07:40] <didrocks> RAOF: heh, I hear the dx team constantly telling that ;)
[07:43] <RAOF> Time to head off to exercise!  I'll be back on later.
[07:44] <vish> didrocks: dont read last desktop meeting logs! there were people calling/praying for you to come back! :D
[07:44] <didrocks> vish: heh, too late, I read it :-) at least, it shows that I'm not a slacker ;)
[07:45] <didrocks> RAOF: see you!
[07:45] <vish> hehe!
[07:50] <kenvandine> good morning didrocks
[07:50] <didrocks> hey kenvandine, still awake?
[07:50] <kenvandine> yup
[07:51] <kenvandine> backporting twitter oauth to lucid
[07:51] <kenvandine> almost done :)
[07:52] <didrocks> great :)
[07:55] <and471> morning
[07:56] <TheMuso> 8/c
[08:01] <didrocks> hey and471, TheMuso
[08:04] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks.
[08:05] <didrocks> robert_ancell: clicking on preferences on gnome-calctool make it segfault, known bug?
[08:07] <and471> hi didrocks
[08:08] <robert_ancell> didrocks, no, thanks
[08:08] <didrocks> robert_ancell: do you want a bug for it?
[08:09] <robert_ancell> didrocks, no need, I'll fix it quickly before anyone else notices :)
[08:10] <didrocks> robert_ancell: heh, right, I guess only crazy people click on that button ;)
[08:10] <didrocks> (I just needed a preference dialog example!) ;)
[08:11] <robert_ancell> didrocks, oh, I have heard of this one - it's crashing in the appmenu code.  I don't think it's gcalctools fault.  I thought it had been fixed?
[08:11] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hum, let me check, I don't have the applet, only the service running
[08:12] <robert_ancell> didrocks, I don't have the applet either, trace is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/486192/
[08:12] <robert_ancell> ooh, even paste.ubuntu.com has a new look :)
[08:13] <didrocks> robert_ancell: yeah, that looks suspicious, indeed ;)
[08:13] <robert_ancell> didrocks, hey, I've been meaning to ask - do you want to do the evo update?  I didn't want to break any of your UNE stuff
[08:14] <didrocks> robert_ancell: yeah, I'll handle it today to 2.30.3 and push the queue for post beta freeze
[08:15] <didrocks> I have some free time for that and go again the express merge nightmare :)
[08:15] <didrocks> have to go to the doctor, bbiab
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:20] <and471> morning chrisccoulson
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> hi and471
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> it's quiet in here at this time of the morning
[08:21] <ara> morning chrisccoulson
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> good morning ara
[08:27] <and471> chrisccoulson, did you have a nice bank holiday? :)
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> and471, yes thanks, it was ok. it was quite a long day on sunday though
[08:28] <and471> is anyone else getting "The Google Maps API server rejected your request. The "client" parameter specified in the request is invalid." when going on user pages on launchpad?
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> and471, yeah, there's a launchpad bug for that somewhere
[08:29] <and471> chrisccoulson, ah good, as long as it is not just me :)
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> and471, bug 624981
[08:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624981 in launchpad-registry "The Google Maps API server rejected your request (affects: 36) (dups: 6) (heat: 185)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624981
[08:30] <chrisccoulson> we had some people report it against firefox ;)
[08:35] <vish> and471: hey, that description bug you got it fixed debian? [/me confused]
[08:35] <vish> the one you pinged yday..
[08:35] <and471> vish, which one?
[08:36] <vish> and471: oh the one you had filed
[08:36] <and471> vish, could you give me a bug number?
[08:36] <vish> and471: not sure what the ping was about..
[08:36] <and471> pretty please :)
[08:37] <vish> and471: gah! you pinged me ;p   let me check my mail ;)
[08:37] <and471> thankyou :)
[08:37] <vish> and471: Bug 626699
[08:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 626699 in gnumeric (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnumeric description needs improving (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/626699
[08:38] <vish> didrocks: can we open a lucid task for Bug 587853 , seems a good bug to fix for LTS
[08:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 587853 in cheese (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "After video recording, record/take photo button becomes disabled (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587853
[08:41] <and471> vish, oh no, I was pinging you if you wanted to triage it in 100 papercuts and put it in the SC-metadata round
[08:41] <vish> : ah!
[08:46] <vish> and471: i'm actually thinking about how best we can address some of those descriptions... there are a few concerns that changing it in Ubuntu increases workload.. so i'm trying to get some process in place before actually closing a few bugs..
[08:46] <and471> vish, yeah we want to change it in debian and ubuntu
[08:46] <and471> vish, that is what I have tried to do (where possible)
[08:55] <and471> vish, maybe you could create a small app for the SC papercutters that files in the right places, downloads a debian copy to make a patch on.. etc.
[08:56] <vish> and471: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/120619 is an idea mvo had as a workaround for a while
[08:57] <vish> and471: the descriptions is also on LP roadmap , not sure when though ;)
[09:02] <didrocks> vish: let's see that after beta if you don't mind. Quite busy this week :)
[09:03] <vish> sure.. np.. :)
[09:03] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[09:04] <vish> didrocks: np.. actually i was mentioning to open the task for later, else we might miss it .. i'll poke after beta :)
[09:59] <seb128> TheMuso, hi
[09:59] <seb128> TheMuso, you still have a workitem on the wallpaper competition spec
[09:59] <seb128> TheMuso, do you still plan to work on it?
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti. is there anything else i need to do regarding my e-mail to the technical-board about chromium security updates?
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> i've got a work-item to get a process in place by beta ;)
[10:14] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it seems to me that as of today we don't have a viable solution for this? I didn't see an agreement there
[10:18] <seb128> re
[10:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, pitti: hey
[10:18] <pitti> hey seb128
[10:18] <seb128> the work item is not for beta but still nice to get that sorted
[10:19] <seb128> the goal is to know what it would take to support it correctly by UDS
[10:20] <seb128> which means having the security update and the translation processes sorted
[10:21] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[10:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i was wondering what i can do to try and reach an agreement (so we can just upload new versions to -security like we do with firefox)
[10:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: do you know if there's some effort to get access to new releases a week in advance, so that we have a chance to do some QA?
[10:24] <seb128> they don't want to do that it seems
[10:24] <seb128> they don't want to wait a week to get updates rolling
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> pitti - our security team will get notifications for security issues, which will give us some time to prepare and test a release
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> but it won't be as long as we get with mozilla
[10:25] <seb128> trying to do qa on our side will not work
[10:26] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, that's news; could you send that to the thread? so far I was under the impression that these are 0-day releases
[10:27] <seb128> let's be realistic we can't correctly test updates in the timeframe they have
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, sure. i can send that
[10:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you think we can do correct testing?
[10:28] <seb128> do they have an upstream official ppa or something?
[10:28] <seb128> shouldn't we just give that to user in s-c and stop trying to package it
[10:28] <seb128> ie just connect directly upstream to users and let users complain to upstream if they have issues
[10:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it will be difficult for us to do proper testing, but even the testing we do with firefox is fairly limited
[10:29] <seb128> that's what the chromium guys want anyway it seems
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - the issue with that is upstream don't provide official builds of chromium
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> (they only provide chrome)
[10:29] <seb128> would they be wanting to?
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure about that
[10:29] <seb128> can we talk to them about it?
[10:29] <seb128> did somebody try to talk to them about it?
[10:29] <chrisccoulson> also, kees is not keen on us shipping upstream builds, as they don't benefit from any of the platform hardening that the security team work on
[10:30] <chrisccoulson> s/any/some/
[10:31] <seb128> who is going to do the security updates? kees' team?
[10:31] <seb128> it just seems to me that realistically we can't do a great job of it
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> it will probably be me who does the security updates ;)
[10:32] <seb128> there is no way that will work imho
[10:32] <seb128> you are already overworked without those
[10:34] <seb128> but ressources are a different topic
[10:34] <seb128> let's sort how we can deal with it and then figure who has time to do it
[10:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how long would they let us access before rolling out the updates publically?
[10:36] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure. they seem to prefer doing a release as soon as they fix a problem, which means that the window in which we can prepare our update and do some testing will always be quite small
[10:36] <seb128> right, that was the impression I got
[10:37] <seb128> we should talk to them about having a chromium ppa where they push their updates
[10:37] <seb128> ie sort of an official upstream ppa for it
[10:37] <seb128> so we would build it with our build option and security set
[13:05] <seb128> pedro_, ola!
[13:07] <pedro_> salut seb128 ;-)
[14:35] <devildante> mpt: around?
[14:37] <mpt> devildante, yep
[14:38] <mpt> devildante, and I haven't forgotten about updating the spec
[14:38] <devildante> :p
[14:39] <devildante> mpt, how do you think we can fix bug 599667? I already have a working implementation, but I would like a designer's opinion :)
[14:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599667 in gnome-utils (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "GNOME Screenshot is not user-friendly during delay (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599667
[14:40] <mpt> devildante, http://www.google.com/images?q=film+countdown&biw=1066&bih=549
[14:41] <devildante> ah, great!
[14:41] <devildante> mpt, I was using a countdown, but it's nowhere cool as this :p
[14:43] <devildante> mpt, basically, I was using a label that when taking screenshot says: "The screenshot will be taken in n seconds..."
[14:43] <nigelb> mpt: wow, that is something I wished would be there :D
[14:47] <seb128> grrrr maverick crashing on user switching
[14:51] <devildante> anyone who has crashes when typing in the login keyring (on auto-login)?
[14:53] <ara> seb128, I can confirm this bug: bug 615508
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615508 in gnome-codec-install (Ubuntu) "Unable to install codecs with gstreamer-codec-install (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 187)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615508
[14:53] <ara> seb128, I think it is quite important, are you guys going to have a look to it?
[14:54] <seb128> mvo, ^
[14:54] <seb128> ara, hey
[14:54] <mvo> ara: hm, let me check
[14:54] <seb128> ara, I didn't know about it before now, mvo is the one working on that
[14:55] <ara> seb128, mvo: I just reproduced it
[14:55] <ara> mvo, it seems like the application tries to install the plugin before it elevates privileges
[14:55] <devildante> seb128, mvo, ara: I can try looking at the code and fixing it, but I don't promise you anything ;)
[14:56] <ara> mvo, and therefore, it fails
[14:56] <mvo> devildante: that would be great, please do :)
[14:57] <devildante> :)
[14:57] <mvo> thanks ara for raising this, I target
[14:57] <seb128> devildante, thanks
[14:57] <devildante> seb128, np
[14:57] <mvo> devildante: iirc it just uses a similar/the same install backend code as update-manager, probably enough to just update it
[14:58] <mvo> devildante: for next cycle we need a better api for this :)
[14:58] <devildante> mvo: ah, great
[14:58] <kiwinote> hehe, next cycle it may just appear in software-center
[14:59] <devildante> mvo: should I try to fix it against upstream or the ubuntu branch?
[15:00] <mvo> devildante: either way is fine
[15:01] <devildante> mvo: okay :)
[15:01]  * devildante finds bzr is 1000 times better than svn
[15:13] <htorque_> didrocks, can you check if you're still getting bug 617337 ?
[15:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617337 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "places hide half of the top panel (affects: 1) (heat: 230)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617337
[15:14] <didrocks> htorque_: I didn't get it recently, think it's closed. Do you still have it?
[15:14] <nessita> seb128: ping
[15:15] <seb128> nessita, hey
[15:15] <nessita> seb128: we're getting reports that the GUI for ussoc can't be fully seen on netbooks. We have a couple of unused fields that we'd like to remove. Does that requiere a UI freeze exception?
[15:16] <seb128> nessita, no
[15:16] <seb128> nessita, wait, what do you call fields?
[15:16] <nessita> seb128: text entries
[15:16] <seb128> glade properties or entries showing on screen?
[15:16]  * nessita knew it wasn't gonna be so easy
[15:16] <nessita> seb128: entries showing
[15:17] <seb128> if it makes you ui be different from a screenshot already taken yes you need an exception for the change
[15:17] <htorque_> didrocks, no i don't but it's only closed upstream
[15:17] <didrocks> htorque_: you can close the distro task as invalid and writing "no more reproduceable"
[15:18] <didrocks> or I can do it if you want :)
[15:18] <htorque_> didrocks, ok, will do :)
[15:18] <didrocks> thanks
[15:18] <bcurtiswx> is indicator-me an #ayatana topic?
[15:18] <nessita> seb128: I see. Who do I have to beg to get a UI exception?
[15:18] <seb128> nessita, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[15:18] <seb128> nessita, read "UserInterfaceFreeze Exceptions"
[15:19]  * nessita obeys
[15:19] <seb128> nessita, it's easy, just email the documentation list (and translation list if you change a string)
[15:19] <seb128> nessita, then subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug with an explanation of the change
[15:19] <devildante> mvo: how do we test gnome-codec-install?
[15:20] <mvo> devildante: there is a readme, hold on a sec
[15:20] <mvo> gnome-codec-install  'gstreamer|0.10|totem|DivX MPEG-4 Version 5 decoder|decoder-video/x-divx, divxversion=(int)5'
[15:21] <mvo> is what I usually do
[15:23] <devildante> mvo: what is it supposed to show? launching it just says there is no plug-ins
[15:24] <nessita> seb128: perfect, thanks! I wrote the bug report and joshuahoover will handle the exception request
[15:24] <mvo> devildante: could you remove gstreamer0.10-plugins-ffmpeg ?
[15:25] <seb128> nessita, thanks
[15:25] <nessita> thank you!
[15:25] <seb128> mvo, devildante: gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg it's called rather
[15:26] <devildante> mvo, seb128: thanks :)
[15:43] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, seb128: please merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/couchdb-glib/0_6_96_release/+merge/34206 when possible (package just uploaded, in the queue)
[15:44] <devildante> mvo: I made it work ;) do you want a merge request or a patch? (seeing as I worked against the ubuntu branch)
[15:44] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, will do
[15:44] <mvo> devildante: you rock \o/
[15:44] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, cool, thanks, but I guess you'll have to wait for the package to be accepted?
[15:44] <mvo> devildante: either patch or merge request, I don't mind ;)
[15:44] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, coming an evo-couchdb branch
[15:44] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, probably a good idea
[15:44] <kenvandine> let me know when that is up too and i will merge them at the same time
[15:45] <nessita> hi mvo! yesteday I landed a branch to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/624127, you may wanna try it (from trunk for now)
[15:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624127 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Sign-on dialog won't open a second time, give traceback (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged]
[15:45] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ok, I'll ping you again when both are in the archive
[15:46] <mvo> nessita: sweet, thanks for the fix!
[15:47] <nessita> mvo: np, and sorry for the delay :-)
[15:47] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, thx
[15:48]  * kenvandine got bit by desktopcouch trying to protect me... grrrr
[15:53] <devildante> mvo: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ilidrissi.amine/ubuntu/maverick/gnome-codec-install/fix-bug-615508/+merge/34207
[16:01] <mvo> thanks devildante \o/
[16:01] <devildante> you're welcome, mvo :)
[16:12] <and471> hey everyone
[16:13] <devildante> hi, and471 :)
[16:13] <and471> hey devildante
[16:13] <devildante> and471, out of curiosity, where is your software-updater branch?
[16:14] <and471> devildante, lp:~and471/+junk/software-updater
[16:15] <devildante> thanks, and471 :)
[16:15] <and471> devildante, np, tell me if you find any bugs!
[16:15] <devildante> and471: okay :)
[16:15] <and471> devildante, (you may want to run with --test-buttons)
[16:16] <and471> this will give you a row of buttons so you can select each screen regardless of the behaviour in the spec
[16:16] <devildante> and471: okay, okay ;)
[16:17] <and471> hehe
[16:17] <ronoc> bl8: you there ?
[16:20] <devildante> and471: this is awesome! too bad it's just kind of a running mockup :p
[16:21] <and471> devildante, hehe, not really, it should all work!
[16:21] <and471> devildante, try running with --test-buttons and it should check for updates, then give you a screen with available updates
[16:21] <and471> installing of updates doesn't work yet tho
[16:21] <and471> but the rest should!
[16:26] <glatzor> huhu mvo
[16:26] <mvo> hey glatzor
[16:35] <and471> hey glatzor
[16:35] <glatzor> hello and471! how are you?
[16:36] <and471> glatzor, good thanks! just had my first day at work, are you rested now?
[16:36] <and471> devildante, sorry I meant without --test-buttons
[16:37] <glatzor> and471, your first first day?
[16:37] <and471> glatzor, yup
[16:37] <glatzor> and471, how does it feel?
[16:38] <and471> glatzor, dunno really, I am a bit tired, but that was because we had to do a lot of boring training on the computers
[16:38] <glatzor> and471, I am old and will never be fully rested again :) but I am at home now, yes. :)
[16:38] <and471>  if we got a question wrong we had to watch the whole boring video all over again...
[16:38] <and471> hehe
[16:39] <glatzor> and471, may I ask what you were trained for?
[16:40] <and471> glatzor, food service counter...
[16:40] <and471> cutting fish and meat XD
[16:41]  * and471 wonders how much more offtopic we can get before someone says something :D
[16:42] <glatzor> and471, you will get a tough man!
[16:42] <glatzor> though
[16:42]  * glatzor is vegan 
[16:42] <and471> haha
[16:42] <and471> oh well this isn't a job for you :P
[16:43] <glatzor> doesn't seem so :)
[16:46] <glatzor> and471, and you trained cutting animals into pieces on a computer?
[16:46] <and471> glatzor, something like that...
[16:46] <glatzor> and471, was it a kind of wii?
[16:47] <glatzor> :)
[16:47] <and471> glatzor, no we were just doing fire alarm procedures, health and safety etc.
[16:47]  * glatzor cannot be taken serious today
[16:47] <and471> haha
[16:47] <and471> glatzor, hopefully when we train to cut meat...we cut meat :)
[16:48] <glatzor> and471, I am currently writing more documentation on my bus/train rides. So this should land in the trunk branch of aptdaemon soon
[16:48] <and471> glatzor, ah cool :)
[16:49]  * and471 is writing documentation himself right now
[16:52] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ping
[16:53] <Riddell> seb128: when is the meeting?
[16:54] <glatzor> and471, have you continued working on software-updater?
[16:54] <and471> glatzor, yes
[16:55] <seb128> Riddell, same time as usual, in 35 minutes
[16:55] <Riddell> ok, should be time for a test install
[16:58] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, pong
[16:58] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, nothing now, I was having a problem building the libu1 python bindings, but seems it works now
[16:59] <kenvandine> ok
[17:18] <mpt> devildante, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=diff&rev2=425&rev1=424
[17:20] <mpt> devildante, kiwinote: Has the code definition of "add-on" settled down over the past few days? Is now a good time to record it?
[17:29] <seb128> desktop team meeting in 1 minute
[17:29] <pedro_> hola
[17:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, rickspencer3, pedro_: hi
[17:30] <didrocks> hey o/
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> hi!
[17:30] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-08-31
[17:30] <pedro_> welcome back didrocks ;-)
[17:30] <tremolux> hiya all!
[17:30] <seb128> I hope everybody is doing fine
[17:30] <tremolux> hey didrocks  o/
[17:30] <didrocks> thanks pedro_, tremolux ;)
[17:31] <Riddell> hi
[17:31] <seb128> let's get started
[17:31] <seb128> I don't think we had actions from the previous meeting
[17:31] <seb128> so, partner update
[17:31] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[17:32]  * kenvandine waves
[17:32] <kenvandine> sure
[17:32] <kenvandine> starting with U1
[17:32] <kenvandine> there is still a SSO bug that should be fixed this week with a server update
[17:33] <kenvandine> and i think u1music is still broken, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/572381
[17:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572381 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Ubuntu One Store not showing (dup-of: 624616)" [High,In progress]
[17:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624616 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store without icon (affects: 7) (dups: 2) (heat: 36)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:33] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, any status on that?
[17:33] <kenvandine> also, josh just told me they will have a UIF exception  request
[17:33] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, fixed in the last package upload
[17:34]  * kenvandine crosses fingers
[17:34] <kenvandine> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/627440
[17:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627440 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[UI Freeze Exception] Registration UI is too tall for small screens (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [High,Triaged]
[17:34] <kenvandine> moving on to DX
[17:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, you might want to ping #ubuntu-release about it
[17:35] <seb128> not sure if it will made to beta or not
[17:35] <kenvandine> they have prepared a wiki page to track their exception requests
[17:35] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[17:35] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-08-31/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus#Freeze%2520Exceptions%2520Requests
[17:35] <kenvandine> basically they will have some, you can review them there and raise concerns as needed
[17:36] <kenvandine> they are mostly UI tweaks
[17:36] <kenvandine> that is all i have
[17:36] <kenvandine> any questions?
[17:36] <kenvandine> comments?
[17:36] <kenvandine> Riddell, is U1 working ok in kubuntu? did those issues get addressed?
[17:37] <Riddell> kenvandine: a whole new issue happened with another rewrite of ubuntu-sso
[17:37] <Riddell> apachelogger has written a KDE frontend to it but it needs kwallet support still
[17:37] <kenvandine> ok
[17:37] <kenvandine> sigh...
[17:38] <kenvandine> ok, well moving on i guess :)
[17:38]  * kenvandine hands mic back to seb128
[17:38] <Riddell> online services needs to learn how to work with the community really
[17:38] <seb128> thanks kenvandine
[17:39] <seb128> Riddell, was there any interaction between them and the kubuntu team this cycle?
[17:39] <kenvandine> Riddell, i'll bring that up with them
[17:39] <Riddell> seb128: no, only bits here and there when apachelogger asked.  they don't even have a mailing list as far as I know
[17:39] <seb128> ok, something to improve next cycle
[17:39] <kenvandine> yeah, i'll raise that
[17:39] <seb128> dx is better nowadays than ols for that
[17:40] <kenvandine> we can make that better
[17:40] <seb128> ok, let's move on
[17:40] <seb128> we can but not today there ;-)
[17:40] <seb128> Riddell, since you are there, kubuntu update?
[17:40] <Riddell>  - ubiquity was troublesome but evan stayed up late to fix bugs, but I suspect there's some more bugs to iron out yet
[17:40] <Riddell>  - kdebindings and rdepends building on ARM now, am hopeful for images ready for beta
[17:40] <Riddell>  - KDE SC 4.5.1 out today, will upload after beta
[17:40] <Riddell>  - mpris 2 support got into Amarok thanks to Aurelien
[17:40] <Riddell>  - http://tinyurl.com/33p7vu3 5 milestoned bugs, hopefully 2 are fixed already, probably more to come after beta
[17:41] <seb128> quite short list of milestone bugs ;-)
[17:41] <rodrigo_> Riddell, seb128: we have talked with apachelogger about the changes
[17:41] <Riddell> seb128: it'll grow I'm sure
[17:41] <rodrigo_> he knows at least since 2/3 weeks ago
[17:42] <rodrigo_> and we have a mailing list -> ubuntuone-users@
[17:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok
[17:42] <seb128> let's discuss that after the meeting maybe
[17:42] <rodrigo_> ok
[17:42] <seb128> does anybody has questions or comments for Riddell?
[17:42] <seb128> Riddell, thanks
[17:43] <seb128> didrocks, hey
[17:43] <seb128> didrocks, UNE update?
[17:43] <didrocks> hey o/ seb128 made the release. All was troubleless near the swimming pool for me in the meantime. Wonderful experience on my side :)
[17:43] <didrocks> more seriously, a lot of bug fix last week from what I saw, but still some
[17:43] <kenvandine> hehe
[17:44] <didrocks> seb128 and I are making some last minute dx update for beta
[17:44] <didrocks> more bug fixing in the two coming weeks and MT support landing this release
[17:44] <didrocks> any questions/remarks on annoying bug not listed yet?
[17:45] <seb128> to clarify the previous week version has gesture support
[17:45] <didrocks> (there will be some little ui changes too, but UNE is less impacted as there is no documentation AFAIK)
[17:45] <seb128> but extra use of that and change are still coming this week, after that they will stop it seems
[17:45] <seb128> didrocks, do you want to mention the banshee situation?
[17:45] <didrocks> sure
[17:45] <didrocks> so, banshee will have a new release tomorrow
[17:46] <didrocks> with finally udev backend
[17:46] <didrocks> no more hal
[17:46] <didrocks> but that requires no components (already packaged) and coordination with Laney and hyperair
[17:46] <didrocks> new gpod release too
[17:46] <didrocks> so, seems risky
[17:46] <didrocks> in any case, what we can do is landing that in the current universe package (we are on a unstable release in any case)
[17:46] <seb128> do you know if somebody tested the musicstore recently on banshee?
[17:47] <didrocks> ask for testing on OMGUbuntu site and get user testing
[17:47] <didrocks> I didn't for a month, I don't know if other have done
[17:47] <seb128> ok
[17:47] <didrocks> it was working great (apart from the empty mp3 file not included)
[17:47] <seb128> so let's get the update in universe this week
[17:48] <seb128> can you take an action to check the musicstore for next week?
[17:48] <didrocks> added to my TODO :)
[17:48] <pedro_> gpod? is banshee using gpod now?
[17:48] <seb128> thanks
[17:48] <seb128> pedro_, yes ;-)
[17:48] <pedro_> cool, i hate podsleuth.
[17:48] <seb128> ok
[17:48] <seb128> thanks didrocks
[17:49] <didrocks> yw :)
[17:49] <seb128> tremolux, hey
[17:49] <seb128> tremolux, software-center update?
[17:49] <tremolux> hi seb128
[17:49] <tremolux> you bet
[17:49] <tremolux> Buy Something: Enabled by default for beta, serverside compoments to go live this week for limited testing, focus on bugfixing now
[17:49] <tremolux> New Apps: Custom metadata fix from Launchpad team to go live on next LP update (target Sep. 8th)
[17:49] <tremolux> UI Enhancements: New addons feature merged; many thanks to devildante for this feature, and thanks to kiwinote as well
[17:49] <tremolux> mvo implemented a very effective (and well-received) "where is it" feature for locating installed apps in the menu
[17:49] <tremolux> (more details on wiki, thanks!)
[17:50] <tremolux> so, lots of things in for beta, now testing and bugfixing
[17:50] <tremolux> any questions or comments?
[17:50] <seb128> nice to see the buy something getting there
[17:50] <tremolux> yes
[17:50] <seb128> so you wrote that there is a rt for extras.ubuntu.com
[17:50] <tremolux> yes
[17:50] <seb128> did you get any reply on that yet?
[17:51] <seb128> do they have any estimation on when that will be done?
[17:51] <tremolux> I haven't, but it's not *urgent* yet
[17:51] <seb128> well, it's not urgent but better in a week than in a month still
[17:51] <tremolux> yes, exactly
[17:51] <seb128> thanks for tracking that in any case ;-)
[17:52] <tremolux> I've pinged elmo again, and raised it in our weekly s-c meeting
[17:52] <seb128> ok, great
[17:52] <seb128> is the screenshot item something you still think will get done this cycle?
[17:52] <seb128> "support screenshots for apps in extras.ubuntu.com (see screenshots for third party spec): TODO"
[17:52] <tremolux> I think the issue there is where the screenshots will be stored
[17:53] <seb128> that's sort of why I'm asking
[17:53] <seb128> if that's not sorted yet seems it's getting late?
[17:53] <seb128> do you have status updates on those changes somewhere?
[17:53] <tremolux> yes, agreed, I will check that
[17:53] <seb128> thanks
[17:54] <tremolux> I think that one has been on the back-burner, but you are right to point it out and thanks for that
[17:54] <seb128> let me know during the week if you get a status update
[17:54] <tremolux> sounds good, I will
[17:54] <seb128> thanks tremolux
[17:54] <seb128> that's all from me
[17:54] <seb128> other questions? comments?
[17:54] <tremolux> thanks seb128
[17:54] <seb128> ok, seems not, let's move on
[17:54] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[17:54] <pedro_> Hello
[17:55] <seb128> so pedro_ is joining our meeting, welcome to him
[17:55] <seb128> he's going to do a weekly qa status update
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> hi pedro_
[17:55] <tremolux> hello pedro_!
[17:55] <pedro_> glad to be here :-)
[17:55] <seb128> pedro_, the mic is yours ;-)
[17:55] <pedro_> ok so i'd like to raise some bugs to your attention
[17:55] <pedro_> bug 586012
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 586012 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "[Maverick] XFCE system tray became unusable after libgtk upgrade (affects: 13) (dups: 4) (heat: 88)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586012
[17:55] <pedro_> what would be the final word on that one?
[17:56] <pedro_> latest comment said it will be reviewed after alpha2 and we're getting there
[17:56] <seb128> it seemed that it was due to gtk rgba changes
[17:56] <seb128> which we dropped since, they were not ready
[17:56] <pedro_> summary: gtk rgba changes
[17:56] <seb128> could you check with the submitter if that's still an issue?
[17:56] <pedro_> right so they are not going to be enabled in maverick?
[17:56] <pedro_> seb128, yes
[17:57] <seb128> pedro_, no rgba in maverick no
[17:57] <seb128> we turned it off and it's staying this way
[17:57] <pedro_> ok i'll talk with the xfce guys
[17:57] <seb128> thanks
[17:57] <pedro_> the other bug: bug 623516
[17:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 623516 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "empathy crashed because depend on package telepathy-logger (affects: 5) (dups: 2) (heat: 28)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/623516
[17:57] <pedro_> they are requesting a depends on the telepathy-logger
[17:57] <seb128> ok, we discussed that today on #telepathy
[17:57] <pedro_> probably is too late to do that?
[17:57] <seb128> we will change the recommends to a depends after beta
[17:58] <seb128> it's not an issue for new install and should not be for upgrades
[17:58] <seb128> out of people not getting  recommends for some reason
[17:58] <pedro_> ok will update the bug to reflect that so we keep on the track
[17:58] <seb128> but indeed we should fix that
[17:58] <seb128> I will make sure it goes in after beta
[17:58] <seb128> pedro_, thanks
[17:58] <pedro_> i have a couple for lucid that might be good to look as well: bug 609855
[17:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 609855 in totem (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Totem unable to play youtube videos (affects: 11) (heat: 158)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609855
[17:58] <pedro_> again, youtube is broken
[17:59] <seb128> I guess it's another server side change
[17:59] <seb128> I will check that later on
[17:59] <pedro_> the change doesn't seems to be too bad http://git.gnome.org/browse/totem/commit/?id=50027abd715acc24978e7830162c70c7e1a05811
[17:59] <kenvandine> love supporting services we have no control over :/
[17:59] <seb128> kenvandine, indeed
[17:59] <pedro_> yeah...
[17:59]  * kenvandine glares at twitter and facebook!
[17:59] <pedro_> bug 534225
[17:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 534225 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[lucid] setup_http_proxy_env constructs no_proxy incorrectly (affects: 27) (dups: 5) (heat: 119)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534225
[18:00] <pedro_> that bug ^ is fixed on Maverick, but still as fix committed
[18:00] <pedro_> could get commit someone to make the fix that in Lucid?
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, i was meant to upload the stable gnome-terminal to lucid ages ago ;)
[18:00] <seb128> pedro_, ok, feel free to close it then, we will get somebody working on the lucid update
[18:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[18:00] <seb128> so it's yours ;-)
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'd planned on doing it ages ago, then forgot about it
[18:00] <pedro_> ok i'll accept the nomination there then
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> ok, i will fix ;)
[18:00] <pedro_> thanks chrisccoulson :-)
[18:00] <seb128> thanks chrisccoulson, pedro_
[18:01] <pedro_> other that it would look good to fix, bug  219385
[18:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 219385 in gtk+2.0 (CentOS) (and 4 other projects) "File filters can make file selection dialog too wide for screen (affects: 20) (dups: 13) (heat: 170)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219385
[18:01] <pedro_> the change is not too aggressive either and it would make us look even better
[18:01] <seb128> would be nice, that's fixed in gtk3 but the changes don't seem trivial for current gtk
[18:01] <pedro_> ah it's on gtk3 mm...
[18:01] <seb128> well I think it relies on the layout changes in gtk3
[18:02] <seb128> pedro_, any other one?
[18:02] <pedro_> i'm not a developer ;-) so would be nice if someone could investigate
[18:02] <seb128> yeah, we will
[18:02] <pedro_> yes just a couple
[18:02] <pedro_> these are the ones that would be nice to keep an eye
[18:02] <pedro_> bug 405544
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 405544 in linux (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 4 other projects) "Kernel does not recognize blank optical media (affects: 88) (dups: 13) (heat: 387)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405544
[18:03] <seb128> just drop the numbers maybe in list
[18:03] <pedro_> bug 617399
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617399 in f-spot (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Filename path must be absolute" error when opening image with "F-Spot Photo Manager" (affects: 6) (dups: 2) (heat: 236)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617399
[18:03] <pedro_> bug 621445
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621445 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke() (affects: 44) (dups: 3) (heat: 210)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621445
[18:03] <pedro_> and bug 625793
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625793 in indicator-application (and 1 other project) "sometimes keyboard layout automatically changed (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625793
[18:03] <pedro_> those are generating some duplicates or being raised in mailing lists
[18:04] <seb128> ok
[18:04] <seb128> I will check out on those later
[18:04] <pedro_> so just keep an eye in case those could affect a more wider audience, i'm keeping tracks of those but is never bad to have an extra pair of eyes there
[18:04] <seb128> I don't think we need to discuss every bug in the meeting
[18:04] <seb128> right
[18:04] <pedro_> no that's ok
[18:04] <seb128> pedro_, great list, thanks
[18:04] <pedro_> seb128, that's all from here unless there's a question
[18:04] <seb128> next week could you copy your list on the wiki before the meeting maybe?
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> no mozilla bugs? :)
[18:04] <pedro_> seb128, yes it will go there next week
[18:04] <seb128> so I can try to have a quick overview before the meeting
[18:04] <seb128> thanks
[18:05] <pedro_> chrisccoulson, i'll add some for next meeting
[18:05] <seb128> pedro_, otherwise any special concern about the release?
[18:05] <seb128> any component you think is buggy or should get special care?
[18:05] <pedro_> i'm a bit worried about two things
[18:05] <pedro_> the changes on gtk that are making apps to crash
[18:05] <pedro_> like rhythmbox, evolution, etc
[18:05] <seb128> right, I'm working on dx for those
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm finding appmenu-gtk is crashing nearly everything that doesn't export a menu right now
[18:05] <pedro_> i'm counting libindicate as part of that as well
[18:05] <seb128> it's mainly their appmenu thing
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> including nm-applet
[18:06] <pedro_> and the retracers being broken :-(
[18:06] <seb128> right, that's blocked on launchpad
[18:06] <pedro_> i hope we don't miss any important crash
[18:06] <pedro_> right
[18:06] <seb128> I'm trying to push them but they move slowly
[18:06] <seb128> I'm concerned about that as well
[18:06] <pedro_> besides that i think the release is looking good so far
[18:06] <seb128> hopefully that gets fixed this week
[18:07] <pedro_> for next cycle would be nice to see more coordination with the dx team to get those changes earlier
[18:07] <seb128> the appmenu-gtk crash for things not exporting a menu might be fixing in trunk
[18:07] <seb128> if somebody wants to try
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll try that later
[18:07] <seb128> pedro_, we do try but they tend to be busy ;-)
[18:07] <seb128> thanks pedro_
[18:07]  * seb128 hugs pedro_
[18:07] <pedro_> my pleasure
[18:07] <seb128> nice status update
[18:07]  * pedro_ hugs seb128
[18:08] <pedro_> oh just a short announcement
[18:08] <seb128> sure
[18:08] <pedro_> the Thursday 02 we're having a bug day for empathy
[18:08] <seb128> nice
[18:08] <pedro_> so next week we're probably going to have some more bugs raised from there
[18:08] <seb128> the new version is in the queue
[18:08] <seb128> so it will be in after beta
[18:08] <pedro_> awesome
[18:08] <bcurtiswx> pedro_: i will DEF be on -bugs to help with that
[18:08] <seb128> thanks pedro_
[18:08] <pedro_> bcurtiswx, \o/
[18:09] <seb128> let's move on
[18:09] <pedro_> you're welcome
[18:09] <seb128> bcurtiswx, great ;-)
[18:09] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[18:09] <seb128> so we are on shape for beta
[18:09] <seb128> not a lot to say, every should help testing isos
[18:09] <seb128> beta shapes to be solid out of some small issues
[18:09] <seb128> great work everybody
[18:10] <seb128> I've started milestoning bugs, I will dispatch some to team members
[18:10] <seb128> so please watch your assigned bugs
[18:10] <seb128> if you don't filter those out in some way you should
[18:11] <seb128> if you find any bug we should fix for maverick please nominate it for maverick
[18:11] <seb128> you can also assign to the team if you want so it's on our list
[18:11] <seb128> that's it from me
[18:11] <seb128> does anybody has questions or comments?
[18:11] <kenvandine> just a quick update on twitter... it will be broken for users until we get this update out
[18:12] <seb128> starting today?
[18:12] <kenvandine> yes
[18:12] <seb128> urg
[18:12] <kenvandine> sometime today they turn off basic auth
[18:12] <seb128> when will the update be out?
[18:12] <kenvandine> as soon as i get an ack from ryan on my branches
[18:12] <kenvandine> after the meeting i'll get both maverick and lucid versions in a PPA for people to start testing
[18:12] <seb128> ok
[18:12] <seb128> let's try to get that in just after beta
[18:13] <kenvandine> but my changes are pretty intrusive, so need to make sure upstream is OK with it
[18:13] <seb128> you can maybe get it in the desktop ppa for testing as well
[18:13] <kenvandine> so we have a good maintanance path
[18:13] <seb128> ok
[18:13] <kenvandine> hopefully we can get the SRU through quick... we'll talk about that soon
[18:13] <kenvandine> that is it
[18:13] <seb128> ok thanks
[18:13] <seb128> other comments?
[18:14] <seb128> seems not
[18:14] <seb128> thanks everybody
[18:14] <seb128> I've to run but I will be back alter
[18:14] <tremolux> thanks all
[18:14] <seb128> later
[18:14] <didrocks> thanks everyone
[18:14] <pedro_> thanks
[18:14] <kenvandine> ok, later!
[18:19] <bcurtiswx> when/if someone gets time (no rush) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/lucid/empathy/empathy-2.30.3/+merge/34223
[19:42] <devildante> like usual, I'm late for the usc update :p
[19:46] <devildante> thanks for the merge, mvo :)
[19:48] <mvo> devildante: thank you !
[19:49] <mvo> devildante: I will upload right after the freeze is over
[19:50] <devildante> mvo: okay, take your time :)
[19:52] <vish> devildante: hey, did you figure out why the menu wouldnt hide?
[19:52] <devildante> vish: no :(
[19:52] <vish> :(
[21:18] <kenvandine> seb128, gwibber uploaded to ~ubuntu-desktop for both lucid and maverick
[21:18] <seb128> kenvandine, excellent
[21:18] <seb128> thanks!
[21:18] <kenvandine> everyone please test :)
[21:19] <kenvandine> the account UI is completely different... for twitter only... but has to be
[21:19] <seb128> do you think you should do a call for testing on the lists?
[21:19] <kenvandine> and i was careful to use no new strings
[21:19] <kenvandine> shared all the strings from facebook
[21:19] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:19] <kenvandine> was going to mail ubuntu-desktop
[21:19] <kenvandine> think that is enough?
[21:20] <seb128> yes
[21:20] <seb128> you could as well blog about it I guess
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> ppa:~ubuntu-desktop/ppa ?
[21:23] <kenvandine> ok
[21:31] <jason__> How can I given different applications different desktop geometries. I have a kiosk application that uses the right 1/4 of the screen for status information. I don't want the user to be able to move applications like vlc and flash windows into the right 1/4 of the screen even if they run in full screen mode.
[23:43] <RAOF> jason__: This is the wrong channel for that sort of question (it's about development _of_ ubuntu, not development _on_ ubuntu).
[23:43] <RAOF> jason__: That said, you want to look into the WM_STRUT window hint.
[23:50] <TheMuso> RAOF: Interesting news re ATI hardware being rebranded.
[23:50]  * RAOF has missed that, mostly.
[23:50] <RAOF> But it's getting rebranded to AMD, right?
[23:51] <TheMuso> Yep.
[23:59] <RAOF> Ow.  Pushups suck.