[10:17] <salimane> anyone here for asian meeting ?
[10:17] <lifeless> isn't it in 40 minutes or so?
[10:19] <persia> yeah
[10:20] <salimane> yep
[10:20] <salimane> was just checking...
[10:31] <elky> Oh. It's /that/ day.
[10:32]  * elky is still at the office.
[10:57]  * persia fails at time, and may be 2-3 minutes late
[11:01] <lifeless> ok
[11:01] <lifeless> so who is chairing? bags not me.
[11:01] <wers> hello :)
[11:02] <elky> I'd rather not since I might have to flee to avoid being left waiting an hour for a bus.
[11:02] <lifeless> flee! flee!
[11:04] <selvam> Hi all, <amachu> is away , and he will not attend meeting today
[11:04] <persia> selvam, Thanks.
[11:04]  * persia hopes our leader will arrive soon
[11:04] <czajkowski> you have a leader ?
[11:04] <nigelb> chair :p
[11:05] <lifeless> popey: if you're around, I have a feeling we will need more for quorateness
[11:05] <persia> We have a secretary, to whom we delegate as much as possible.
[11:05] <popey> *ping* popey appears
[11:06] <czajkowski> soo that's how that works
[11:06]  * czajkowski makes a mental note :)
[11:06] <popey> you need the magic dust
[11:07] <persia> So, I guess I end up with chair, for failing to log a proactive protest.
[11:07]  * lifeless pats his resovoir
[11:07] <persia> #startmeeting
[11:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:07. The chair is persia.
[11:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:07] <lifeless> persia: thank you
[11:08] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:08] <persia> [TOPIC] Attendance check
[11:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Attendance check
[11:08] <persia> prabhash: about?
[11:08] <elky> o/]
[11:08] <persia> wers: I saw you.
[11:08]  * wers is present! :D
[11:08] <persia> nisshh: about?
[11:08] <popey> o/
[11:09] <wers> hi persia
[11:09] <persia> salimane: still here?
[11:09] <persia> huayra, about?
[11:09] <Vantrax> hi all, sorry im a few later
[11:09] <Vantrax> er late
[11:09] <salimane> yep :)
[11:09]  * huayra present
[11:10] <persia> OK.  So we'll do wers, salimane, huayra, in that order.
[11:10] <wers> ok :)
[11:10] <persia> [TOPIC] Membership application for Allan Caeg
[11:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Membership application for Allan Caeg
[11:10] <persia> wers, Please paste your introductory text.
[11:11] <wers> Hello. I'm Allan Caeg, a UX designer. My contributions include advocacy and design
[11:12] <wers> I advocate FOSS through the Philippine Open Source Network. I organized 3 release parties so far
[11:12] <wers> I'm also a part of the Ayatana-UX team. My work isn't limited to Ubuntu, though. I also work on GNOME Usability
[11:13] <wers> I'm also the UX Advocate for Firefox
[11:13] <wers> I've also recently become a part of the GNOME.Asia Committee
[11:15] <elky> That's a lot.
[11:15] <lifeless> wers: For clarity, in assessing Ubuntu membership we restrict ourselves to contributions directly to Ubuntu.
[11:16] <wers> lifeless, thanks
[11:16] <Vantrax> contributions that affect Ubuntu can be considered as secondary such as Gnome and Firefox, but in a limited capacity
[11:16] <wers> I also do user support. 1,807 beans on ubuntuforums.org
[11:16] <persia> wers, I'm not very familiar with Ayatana UX: how much of that ends up being directly targeting Ubuntu, and how much general improvement in upstream projects?
[11:16] <wers> the UX advocates projects is pushed by the Ubuntu community, though
[11:17] <lifeless> wers: http://design.canonical.com/2010/06/announcing-the-user-experience-advocates-project/ ?
[11:17] <wers> lifeless, that's right
[11:17] <Vantrax> Im unfortunately not familiar with UX at all
[11:18] <wers> persia, it's quite new. I can say that it greatly influences Ubuntu's design direction
[11:18] <wers> it's organized by mpt. he invited me to be a founding member
[11:18] <wers> https://launchpad.net/~ayatana-ux
[11:19] <Vantrax> ahh I tell a lie, i know about that
[11:19] <Vantrax> one of sabfls pet projects
[11:19] <wers> ahehe. he seems to love Ayatana
[11:20] <elky> It's like the new compiz
[11:20] <Vantrax> Yeah, he does.
[11:21] <persia> wers, One of your testimonials indicates you took over some leadership activities for ubuntu-ph : could you share how that transition went, and what you would do differently, if you had to do it again?
[11:21] <lifeless> its pretty central to crossing the chasm
[11:23] <wers> persia, there's actually no transition. I just chose to step up and organize things. that's probably related to the 3 Ubuntu release parties that I organized so far
[11:23] <wers> I'm also planning the one for 10.10
[11:25] <persia> Ah, OK.  I misunderstood then.  Leading new stuff is always good (and different than transitions).
[11:25] <persia> Anyone have more questions?
[11:25] <popey> i do not.
[11:25] <Vantrax> what made you decide to apply for Ubuntu membership?
[11:26] <wers> Vantrax, I want to be more affiliated with the project because I believe in it. I think, it would give me a greater opportunity to advocate Ubuntu
[11:27] <Vantrax> fair enough, just curious with your LP date at 2006
[11:27] <wers> yep. been doing this for a while
[11:27] <wers> just thought that it's time to formalize things a bit
[11:27] <Vantrax> Im good persia
[11:28] <persia> [VOTE] Confirm Alan Caeg as an Ubuntu Member
[11:28] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Confirm Alan Caeg as an Ubuntu Member.
[11:28] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:28] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:28] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 1 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:28] <elky> +1
[11:28] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:28] <popey> +1
[11:29] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:29] <persia> +1 : good history, good testimonials, broad scope of work
[11:29] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[11:29] <Vantrax> +1
[11:29] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[11:29] <lifeless> +1
[11:29] <MootBot> +1 received from lifeless. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[11:29] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[11:29] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[11:29] <persia> Dunno who the private vote is from, but even discounting it, that's enough.
[11:29] <persia> Congratulations wers!
[11:29] <wers> thanks persia!
[11:29] <wers> thanks everyone! :D
[11:29] <popey> I'm not needed if you have 5 am I?
[11:30] <elky> you are if we keep going at this speed
[11:30] <persia> popey, We have 4, but not since Vantrax arrived.  Thanks for helping.
[11:30] <popey> ok
[11:30] <popey> no
[11:30] <nisshh> congratz wers :)
[11:30] <popey> np i mean
[11:30] <popey> congratulations wers
[11:30] <wers> thanks nisshh ! :D
[11:30] <Vantrax> I was expected to be a few min late:P
[11:30] <wers> thanks popey ! :D
[11:30] <persia> [TOPIC]  Membership application for Salimane Adjao Moustapha
[11:30] <MootBot> New Topic:   Membership application for Salimane Adjao Moustapha
[11:30] <persia> salimane, Could you please paste your introductory text?
[11:31] <elky> Just a reminder everyone, this introductory text should be pre-written and you should just need to paste it in to your irc client; else we have a lot of idle time.
[11:32] <salimane> I'm Beninese, living in Beijing, China. i'm a software engineer. related to ubuntu i just make people actually use/convert to ubuntu
[11:32] <lifeless> I'll be going sharp on the hour too
[11:33]  * Vantrax reminds everyone we need to talk about restaffing quickly too
[11:33] <salimane> i maintain a blog to help new users get confortable on ubuntu when they try for the first time
[11:33] <salimane> :)
[11:34] <persia> salimane, Do you have any involvement with local teams, or other advocacy beyond your blog?
[11:34] <elky> salimane, so you don't do bug work, forums, or anything?
[11:35] <salimane> u tried every alpha/beta release to report bugs
[11:35] <Vantrax> also no testimonials
[11:35] <salimane> *i try
[11:35] <persia> salimane, Have you also been involved with the testing team, using the ISO tracker?
[11:36] <Vantrax> grand total of 7 bugs filed according to LP, are you trying to bug test another way?
[11:36] <salimane> i've used iso tracker once before, but me i'm mostly concerned about people actually using it
[11:37] <salimane> introduce it to people , organisations
[11:37] <elky> I'm ready to vote if other board members are in favour of brevity.
[11:37] <Vantrax> I am too
[11:38]  * persia too
[11:38] <popey> o/
[11:38] <persia> lifeless, ?
[11:38] <lifeless> mmm, sure
[11:38] <persia> [VOTE] Confirm Salimane Adjao Moustapha as an Ubuntu Member
[11:38] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Confirm Salimane Adjao Moustapha as an Ubuntu Member.
[11:38] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:38] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:39] <lifeless> +0
[11:39] <MootBot> Abstention received from lifeless. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[11:39] <elky> -1
[11:39] <MootBot> -1 received from elky. 0 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
[11:39] <Vantrax> -1
[11:39] <MootBot> -1 received from Vantrax. 0 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
[11:39] <popey> -1 I'd like to see a more significant and sustained contribution
[11:39] <MootBot> -1 received from popey. 0 for, 3 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -3
[11:39] <persia> -1 : documented work in too few areas, not immediately obvious as "work in Ubuntu", no testimonials
[11:39] <MootBot> -1 received from persia. 0 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -4
[11:39] <salimane> :)
[11:39] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[11:39] <MootBot> Final result is 0 for, 4 against. 1 abstained. Total: -4
[11:39] <elky> sorry salimane
[11:39] <lifeless> I Like what you're doing, your blog has great stuff on it; some more connection with the active Ubuntu community would tip it over to awesome
[11:39] <salimane> ok any suggestions on how to actually become a memeber
[11:39] <Vantrax> Id like to encourage you to continue contributing and get further involved with your local ubuntu groups. Also to remember that you need to be active in the community, not just contributing
[11:40] <persia> salimane, Sorry you wen7t confirmed this time.  Please continue to work on stuff: you may find some of the hints above useful to find folks with whom to work.  We hope to see you back before the board again.
[11:40] <salimane> there is none actually
[11:40] <lifeless> we have an assessment problem for things that are not visible - irc/forums/bugs-in-launchpad/isotracker-reports
[11:40] <salimane> in beijing there is none
[11:40] <huayra> salimane, keep contributing and engage locally with your team as much as you can
[11:40] <Vantrax> lifeless: very true, but usually testimonials come in to support that
[11:40] <persia> lifeless, Indeed, we do: some of that is mitigated by testimonials, but it's insufficient.
[11:41] <salimane> yep i will :)
[11:41] <Vantrax> salimane: that is another thing to remember, get people that are familiar with your contributions to write testimonials for you. See examples in some of the other applicants wiki pages from today
[11:41] <Vantrax> salimane: I look forward to seeing you again in a few months with a bunch of people supporting you
[11:41] <lifeless> I'm surprised there are no other ubuntu folk in bejing; its a pretty big city isn't it ?
[11:42] <persia> There are other folk there, but perhaps because it's a big city, it's a small percentage.
[11:42] <persia> Anyway, we've only 18 minutes left.
[11:42] <persia> [TOPIC] Membership application for Rubén Romero
[11:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  Membership application for Rubén Romero
[11:42] <lifeless> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/110/detail/
[11:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/110/detail/
[11:42] <huayra> HI
[11:42] <persia> huayra, Please paste your introductory text
[11:42] <huayra> I did not get any cheerleaders today
[11:42] <huayra> but have a write up
[11:42] <huayra> so, prepare:
[11:42] <huayra> =Intro and Bio=
[11:42] <huayra> My name is Rubén Romero. I am 29YO and a father. Live in Oslo, Norway and have used Ubuntu since the spring of 2005.
[11:42] <huayra> I am an Ubuntu lover (and member) and I've been using GNU/Linux for 13 years or so.
[11:42] <huayra> =Activities=
[11:42] <huayra> Details can be seen in my wiki page <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/huayra> and LP page <https://launchpad.net/~huayra>. A short summary:
[11:42] <huayra> Currently I am the Norwegian Contact Member, the driver and contributor to the SpreadUbuntu team and project, System Administrator for Ubuntu-EC and Web Infrastructure Admin for Ubuntu-NO as well as an ad-hoc resource for the community. I try to do as much Ubuntu promotion as I can by either organizing local activities, encouraging activities wherever I go (i.e. started the Icelandic team) or just trying to exchange experiences with o
[11:42] <lifeless> salimane: ^ get in contact with the folk at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/110/detail/ - they are the local Ubuntu group, and association with them will help your membership application
[11:42] <huayra> ther teams (Danish Team, Berlin Team, Catalan Team) and get better inter-LoCo relations and try to make us cooperate beyond our geographical borders.
[11:42] <huayra> In the past (and as much as I can in the present) I have done lots of things (most of them in Launchpad, but some of them directly by contact with the devs): From sending HAL patches to make your Nokia phone work and analizing USB output to help WebCam driver development. To creating marketing material and organizing Ubuntu specific events and getting sponsors for these as well as being a contact point for our community in general con
[11:42] <huayra> ferences and venues.
[11:42] <huayra> =My goals=
[11:42] <huayra> As described in the wiki page, can be summarized ike this:
[11:43] <huayra>  * Make SpreadUbuntu deliver Marketing material Kits to all LoCos worldwide
[11:43] <huayra>  * Grow participation of Ubuntu users in the activities of the Norwegian LoCo by reaching out to new user groups (beyond the traditional FLOSS aware user or advanced IT user)
[11:43] <huayra>  * Engage and coordinate inter-LoCo activities (specially within Ubuntu Nordic, but also beyond) to promote Ubuntu worldwide in a fun and uniformed way
[11:43] <salimane> lifeless thanks, i will :)
[11:43] <huayra> =Beyond Ubuntu=
[11:43] <huayra> I believe in the Ubuntu spirit way beyond the space of our community:
[11:43] <huayra>  * An example of this unortodox approach is promoting Ubuntu through CouchSurfing
[11:43] <huayra>  * An example of this unortodox approach is promoting Ubuntu through CouchSurfing (which I am an active member of, is a way of Ubuntuizing the world one couch at a time) and to tell people about our software and community.
[11:43] <huayra>  * I am also involved locally in the Oslo Linux Brigade, which is a group providing network services to groups that otherwise don't have access to ISP's or proper network infrastructure such as squatters and anarchists here in the city. We hold an open café called Humla that we use sometimes as a venue for Ubuntu promotion (i.e. meetings or UGJ).
[11:43] <huayra> Currently I am working with the 350.org Global Work Party (big event to be celebrated 10.10.10 with avail from the City council and concerts in the middle of town ) to make our Ubuntu 10.10 Maverik Meeerkat Release Rarty part of their event, thus reaching a much wider audience that we normally do. And rock really hard!
[11:43] <huayra> =Misc=
[11:43] <huayra> In the day I am Global Sales Executive for an Open Source company called Varnish Software that is the company behind the well renowed Varnish HTTP Accelerator. My role is both the one of a Sales man and a community catalizator for the VArnish community. Earlier I've worked with FLOSS products sales before and have even worked at Redpill Linpro, and Open Source centered consultancy company and Canonical's partner with the biggest prese
[11:43] <huayra> nce in the Nordic market. So I've sold my share of Ubuntu training and services, as well.
[11:43] <huayra> =Finalizing=
[11:43] <huayra> I am a proud Ubuntu member and I intent to stay being so the next two years. It gives me the drive I need and it affirms also my commitment with the project. It's all about the small thing that mean something to you. Ubuntu is one of the biggest loves of my life. Simple as that.
[11:43] <huayra> Thanks for your time :-)
[11:43]  * huayra is sorry for the flooding...
[11:43] <Vantrax> WOW, nice work huayra, great wall of text:P That is a hell of an intro
[11:44] <persia> Generally, we're looking for 3-4 lines of text.
[11:44]  * nigelb notes huayra has ubuntu member cloak
[11:44]  * huayra is up for renewal
[11:44] <Vantrax> ahh
[11:44] <elky> You missed the clicky thing in the email?
[11:44]  * Vantrax isnt used to seeing people up for renewal
[11:44] <popey> https://edge.launchpad.net/~huayra shows you're already a member of ~ubuntumembers
[11:45] <lifeless> isn't renewal self administered ?
[11:45] <popey> yes
[11:45] <elky> Can we move on then?
[11:45] <Vantrax> you can just click and say let me be there again
[11:45] <huayra> really?
[11:45] <popey> yup
[11:45] <lifeless> Like, if you care enough to click on the link, you are renewed...
[11:45] <huayra> oh myt
[11:45] <huayra> oh my
[11:45]  * Vantrax remembers that people are in theory ment to revisit rmb, but isnt done
[11:45] <lifeless> huayra: thanks for dropping by; ciao.
[11:45] <elky> huayra, uh, welcome back? :)
[11:45] <popey> i believe nisshh has now arrived..
[11:45] <huayra> ;) thx
[11:45] <persia> [AGREED] Rubén Romero is already a member, and should renew when LP prompts.
[11:45] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Rubén Romero is already a member, and should renew when LP prompts.
[11:45] <nisshh> yes, im here
[11:45]  * Vantrax cheers for huayra
[11:45] <persia> [TOPIC] Anything else?
[11:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Anything else?
[11:46] <popey> persia: nisshh
[11:46] <huayra> thanks elky :)
[11:46] <elky> persia, nisshh joined a few late
[11:46] <persia> Ah, good.
[11:46] <nisshh> i was afk, my fault
[11:46] <elky> tick tock!
[11:46] <persia> [TOPIC] Membership application for Ryan Macnish
[11:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Membership application for Ryan Macnish
[11:46] <nisshh> ok
[11:46] <nisshh> my intro
[11:47] <nisshh> my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish
[11:47] <nisshh> 1 sec, im lagging
[11:48] <nisshh> I applied for membership because i have been a user of and contributor to Ubuntu for a while now (nearly two years) and i thought it was about the right time for me. I have contributed to various projects, most notably the Ubuntu Manual Project, but also others including Quickly, Quickly Widgets and of course Ubuntu itself.
[11:48] <nisshh> Other things i have done include bug triaging, new Ubuntu release testing and testing new versions of some applications. I have also written my own app called Pytask which is hosted on launchpad, it is similar to GTG although much simpler.
[11:48]  * lifeless is ready to vote
[11:48] <nisshh> I am also active on the Ubuntu Forums and on IRC, participate and help out wherever and whenever i can with the AU LoCo, and am planning to eventually get myself to a linux related event somewhere in Australia, whether it be linux.conf.au or something else. I also hope to get to UDS one day.
[11:48] <nisshh> there
[11:48]  * huayra has to admit that a renewal process made me think a lot and helped me get focus of what I want to achieve in my next membership cycle. The council should probably consider to have a review of members and at least ask for a write up?
[11:48] <nisshh> thats it
[11:48] <salimane> bye everybody, i enjoyed the small talk,  i'll be back though :)
[11:49]  * Vantrax notes recommendations by Ben Humphrey and Rick Spencer.
[11:49] <elky> huayra, thats almost 700 members to review...
[11:49] <nisshh> Vantrax: yes, im more prepared this time :)
[11:49] <Vantrax> huayra: I think that is a good idea, but possibly impractical:P
[11:49] <persia> nisshh, Welcome back.  What's most different since we saw you last?
[11:49] <nisshh> persia: well, one, im actually prepared this time
[11:49] <persia> huats, Vantrax: could we stick to topic?  Some are short on time (sorry)
[11:50] <nisshh> and i have also done some more bug triaging
[11:50] <huayra> we should probably at least encourage people to do it for themselves ;) Thx for your time and sorry for the confusion.
[11:50] <nisshh> and some more work on both Ubuntu Manuals
[11:50] <Vantrax> and more testimonials
[11:50] <nisshh> but iv also been busy with TAFE work, so not alot
[11:50] <nisshh> yes Vantrax :)
[11:51] <elky> Ready to vote.
[11:51] <Vantrax> i am
[11:51] <popey> o/
[11:51]  * vish cheers for nisshh 
[11:51]  * nisshh crosses his fingers
[11:52]  * elky prods persia
[11:52] <persia> Any questions not answered last meeting that don't have answers in the wiki update?  Anyone?
[11:52] <Vantrax> hiya popey, did you have something to say, or just waving:P
[11:52] <persia> lifeless?
[11:52] <lifeless> persia: ?
[11:52] <persia> Any more questions?
[11:52] <elky> I'm ready to vote.
[11:52] <lifeless> 22:49  * lifeless is ready to vote
[11:52] <persia> [VOTE] Confirm Ryan MacNish as an Ubuntu member
[11:52] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Confirm Ryan MacNish as an Ubuntu member.
[11:52] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:52] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:52] <persia> lifeless, Sorry.  missed that (so early)
[11:53] <lifeless> persia: de nada
[11:53] <popey> +1 I am impressed that you're focussing on a small number of specific projects and doing them well.
[11:53] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:53] <lifeless> +1
[11:53] <MootBot> +1 received from lifeless. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:53] <Vantrax> +1
[11:53] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:53] <persia> +1
[11:53] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[11:53] <Vantrax> glad you came back
[11:53] <elky> +1
[11:53] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[11:53] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[11:53] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[11:54] <elky> Sorry, was packing bag
[11:54] <nisshh> woo!
[11:54]  * elky flees
[11:54] <persia> nisshh, Congratulations.
[11:54] <persia> elky, Have a good night
[11:54] <Vantrax> Well done
[11:54] <Vantrax> see you elky
[11:54] <nisshh> thanks guys and girls :)
[11:54] <vish> nisshh: wers: congrats! :)
[11:54] <wers> congrats nisshh ! :D
[11:54] <wers> thanks vish ! :)
[11:54] <nisshh> thanks wers
[11:54] <nisshh> thanks vish
[11:55] <popey> thanks everyone!
[11:55] <persia> OK.  That7s about it.
[11:55] <persia> Thanks popey for stepping in.
[11:55] <popey> np
[11:55] <persia> #endmeeting
[11:55] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:55.
[11:55] <Vantrax> as a side note
[11:55] <wers> thanks again! :)
[11:56] <Vantrax> im putting the request out for 2 more in the asian timezones and 3 in the pacific
[11:56] <Vantrax> based on our current attendance that should give us good coverage for the meetings
[11:56] <persia> Hrm?
[11:56] <persia> We don't need 5 more folks, really.
[11:57]  * nigelb notes qorum would go higher.
[11:57] <persia> Plus, where we really need folks is UTC+5:30, not so much easterly.
[11:57] <Vantrax> we do if we have a meeting 1 hours earlier, and 2 later.
[11:57] <persia> yeah, that would be bad.
[11:57] <Vantrax> persia/nigelb no change to quorum
[11:57] <persia> 2 later is still questionable for "evening" in +5:30
[11:57] <Vantrax> sabfl and CC approved it
[11:58]  * persia grumbles, but doesn't have the time to fix this now.  more pacific people just fails to help at all
[11:58] <Vantrax> yeah, would need to be 3 hours wouldnt it
[11:58] <Vantrax> persia: thats the point of discussing it
[11:58] <Vantrax> we can discuss on list i think
[11:59] <persia> That would probably be better.  We now have two *different* solutions approved by the CC :)
[11:59] <nigelb> heh, now that confusing.
[11:59] <lifeless> lets go for three
[11:59] <nigelb> lol
[11:59] <persia> extra points?
[11:59] <Vantrax> yeah:P The current recommendation is to expand the team, run two meetings each with a quorum of 4
[12:00] <nigelb> so you need 1 more or 3 more to make it even.
[12:00] <persia> That was the last one as well, but the last one called for more +5:30 folks, and no more pacific folks (as we have too many).
[12:00] <persia> Anyway, on-list.  Our hour is up.
[12:00] <Vantrax> hrm, yes
[12:00] <Vantrax> to the list:P
[12:40] <costales> Hi! I have a tecnical problem with my wiki. How could help me?
[14:00] <ogra> NCommander, ??
[14:01] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is NCommander.
[14:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:01]  * GrueMaster yawns
[14:01] <dyfet> groans
[14:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100831
[14:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100831
[14:01] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
[14:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
[14:01] <NCommander> c/o
[14:02] <ogra> hey
[14:02] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to discuss with linaro and asac on improved-generic-subarch-support
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to discuss with linaro and asac on improved-generic-subarch-support
[14:02] <ogra> roll call perhaps ?
[14:02] <NCommander> co
[14:02] <ogra> dont always rush so fast :)
[14:02] <davidm> G'day
[14:02] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to clean out the stale dove alternates
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to clean out the stale dove alternates
[14:02] <NCommander> Done.
[14:02] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to smoke test ubuntu-server dove alternates
[14:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to smoke test ubuntu-server dove alternates
[14:02] <NCommander> c/o
[14:02] <ogra> NCommander, the ww dir on antimony still looks really odd
[14:03] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to flush antimony's expired images
[14:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to flush antimony's expired images
[14:03] <ogra> *www
[14:03] <NCommander> postponed until after beta
[14:03] <NCommander> ogra: ogra in what way?
[14:04] <ogra> err, not the www one, the scratch one
[14:04] <NCommander> ogra: scratch needs a flush handle attached to it :-)
[14:04] <ogra> ogra@antimony:~$ ls /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu-netbook/
[14:04] <ogra> daily-live  ports_daily  ports_daily-live  ports_daily-preinstalled  ports_preinstalled  ports_preinstalled-live
[14:04] <NCommander> ogra: I'll investigate
[14:04] <NCommander> [topic] standing items
[14:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  standing items
[14:05] <ogra> NCommander, also how is the work going with adding the manifest files for preinstalled builds ?
[14:05] <ogra> i know GrueMaster is waiting for that eagerly
[14:05] <NCommander> ogra: low enough on my TDOD that I won't hold your breath
[14:05] <ogra> (you said you'd care for it last meeting)
[14:05] <GrueMaster> yes.
[14:05] <NCommander> Someone else is going to have to fix it, or its going to have to wait
[14:06] <ogra> hmm, you sounded differently last week, ok
[14:06] <NCommander> I have no way of testing cdimage changes locally, and I rather not subject antimony to coding directly on it
[14:06]  * ogra does that ... ist bzr, you can roll back if your test build doesnt succeed
[14:06] <ogra> *it's
[14:07] <ogra> just dont do it during a milestone
[14:07] <NCommander> ogra: also, working on antimony from here requires 1-2 minuts to type a command due to lag
[14:07] <ogra> oh, its his fault ?
[14:07] <NCommander> (sometimes its slightly better)
[14:07] <ogra> well
[14:07] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:07] <GrueMaster> Sure, blame it on the aussie.
[14:08] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[14:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[14:08] <ogra> persia, how is the work on your last two items going ? did you polish the spirals ?
[14:09] <persia> I haven't tried a run since Thursday, which crashed fairly badly.  I'm hoping to get back to it in the next day or two (but have some testing to do first)
[14:09] <ogra> k, probably re-target the items then
[14:09] <persia> I'll do that now.
[14:09] <ogra> great
[14:10] <persia> The other one I can do for beta, if I prioritise it (and I will)
[14:10] <ogra> k
[14:11] <NCommander> [link] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:11] <ogra> NCommander, bug 513728 ??
[14:11] <ogra> do you still plan to do that ?
[14:11] <NCommander> No.
[14:11] <NCommander> No time.
[14:12] <ogra> unassign it then :)
[14:12] <NCommander> k
[14:12] <ogra> bug 435046 is something i thought was solved long ago
[14:12] <persia> ogra, I can't retarget it, but there's lots else TODO, and assigned to folks with no-time-before-beta, so I'm fairly confident it will move.
[14:12] <NCommander> it was solved by ignoring it
[14:12] <ogra> NCommander, there are a bunch of other thumb2 bugs assigned to you it seems
[14:13] <GrueMaster> I haven't seen it in a while.  My system is assigned an IP from the dhcp server based on mac addr.
[14:13] <ogra> persia, you should be able to re-target the sigle items on the whiteboard
[14:13] <ogra> GrueMaster, NCommander, well, then someone should close it :)
[14:14] <NCommander> can I move on?
[14:14] <persia> ogra, That spec isn't organised like that :)
[14:14] <ogra> heh, ok
[14:14] <ogra> NCommander, yup
[14:15] <ogra> please everybody check that list and see if the bugs you are assigned to are still valid
[14:15] <ogra> ...
[14:16] <NCommander> lag sucks
[14:16] <NCommander> (as in latency, not lag the enginneer)
[14:16] <lag> :0
[14:16] <NCommander> (sorry lag)
[14:16] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[14:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, mpoirier, lag)
[14:16] <lag>  * Marvel (mvl-dove)
[14:16] <lag>    * MISC     : Now we have both mvl-dove branch in lucid and maverick, though it's moved straight
[14:16] <lag>                 from lucid to maverick (so it's 2.6.32 based) - thanks Tim/Brad/Andy Leann for this
[14:16] <lag>    * MISC     : Received LSP 5.3.3 from Marvell, 23 patches, some are minor feature change and do not
[14:16] <lag>                 qualify as SRU, will send my preliminary review out soon
[14:16] <lag>  * Freescale (fsl-imx51)
[14:16] <lag>    * Nothing new this week
[14:16] <lag>  * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[14:16] <lag>    * REBASE   : Updated to TI OMAP4 2.6.35 based kernel release, 2.6.35-903.8 was uploaded
[14:16] <lag>    * PATCH    : B613855 BB XM always boots with MMC as read-only due to incorrect GPIO settings
[14:16] <lag>    * ON GOING : B608266 fix submitted and accepted - still waiting for mobile team to test
[14:17] <lag>    * ON GOING : B563650 problem is not related to DPMS, but with VT driver entering power saving mode
[14:17] <lag>    * NEW      : B624652 new Panda version (ES2.0) needs a working bootloader
[14:17] <ogra> bug 613855 should be fixed, no ?
[14:17] <ogra> yeah, says fix released
[14:18] <GrueMaster> And it works here.
[14:18] <lag> When was that marked fixed released?
[14:18] <lag> Hold ot
[14:18] <ogra> bug 624652 is only paperwork, i think rsalveti has a working x-loader and the linaro omap4 u-boot shoudl work too
[14:18] <lag> on*
[14:18] <lag> That's why it's marked as PATCH
[14:18] <ogra> lag, it was marked fix released when the upload happened :)
[14:19] <lag> ogra: It still needs to be done
[14:19]  * ogra wonders which bug we are currently talking about :)
[14:19] <rsalveti> ogra: yep, just waiting the 1gb patch to get accepted at gitorious tree
[14:19] <lag> ogra: The paperwork ..
[14:19] <rsalveti> and then we can just update the package
[14:19] <ogra> lag, ah, yeah
[14:19] <rsalveti> so it can be used by default for es2.0
[14:19] <lag> Good stuff
[14:19] <rsalveti> but also noticed they created a different patch for es2.0 8 layers :-(
[14:19] <lag> Let me know when it's fixed
[14:20] <ogra> rsajdok, did you test with the linaro u-boot ?
[14:20] <rsalveti> so will follow that later on to understand why
[14:20] <ogra> on es2
[14:20] <rsalveti> ogra: not yet
[14:20] <ogra> k
[14:20] <rsalveti> ogra: it's on my todo list, also a request from sakoman
[14:20] <ogra> we'll need to notify jcrigby if we see issues
[14:20] <rsalveti> sure
[14:21] <lag> Now who has tab issues
[14:21] <rsalveti> sakoman is looking forward to our test results
[14:21] <ogra> no hurry though
[14:21] <rsalveti> ok
[14:21] <ogra> its post beta stuff ... if we know during next week thats fine i guess
[14:21] <lag> I need to speak to sakoman
[14:22] <rsalveti> sure, np
[14:22] <ogra> lag, we wont stop you :)
[14:22] <lag> ogra: Let me know when you have his attention
[14:22] <lag> ;)
[14:22] <ogra> he is in #ubuntu-arm, feel free to do it yourself ;)
[14:23] <NCommander> can I move on?
[14:23] <lag> ..
[14:23] <ogra> ++
[14:24] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[14:25] <GrueMaster> Images are once again booting.
[14:25] <ogra> \o/
[14:25] <ogra> the session should be fine too now
[14:25] <GrueMaster> But I am now seeing an odd behavior.  After oem-config runs, the system comes up ok.  But if I reboot, the system hangs.
[14:25] <rsalveti> cool :-)
[14:25] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: beagle? panda?
[14:26] <GrueMaster> Just noticed this late in the evening, and haven't had a chance to explore it.
[14:26] <lag> GrueMaster: I have the opposite problem
[14:26] <GrueMaster> Beagle & Panda.
[14:26] <NCommander> GrueMaster: how ar ethings w/ dove?
[14:26] <ogra> panda works fine here since we switched u-boot
[14:26] <lag> Which uboot are we now using?
[14:26] <rsalveti> well, didn't test with today's image, but tested yesterday on beagle and panda
[14:26] <lag> When was the switch?
[14:27] <ogra> lag, linaros for omap4
[14:27] <GrueMaster> My BeagleXM hangs during boot before oem-config runs, with an alsa-utils error.  Same sd card w/o changes works fine on Beagle.
[14:27] <rsalveti> worked fine on both
[14:27] <ogra> lag, before beta freeze
[14:27] <lag> Can someone send me a copy?
[14:27] <ogra> lag, of what ?
[14:27] <rsalveti> lag: grab from the package
[14:27] <lag> The u-boot.bin you're using
[14:27] <lag> k
[14:27] <rsalveti> or from the latest image :-)
[14:27] <ogra> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/u-boot-linaro/2010.06-695-gbd23130-linaro-0ubuntu1
[14:27] <lag> Thanks
[14:28] <GrueMaster> Dove fails to load the desktop/installer.  hangs in X w/ background.  I believe it may be trying to load the 3D stuff (clutter).  Will explore today.
[14:28]  * ogra wonders if we should switch omap3 too to not have to maintain the same stuff twice 
[14:28] <ogra> GrueMaster, thats very likely since it doesnt use jasper
[14:29]  * NCommander rips his hair out.
[14:29] <ogra> and the netbook images have no concept of switching the session at all
[14:29] <NCommander> ogra: ok, how do I get it to use 2D launcher?
[14:29] <ogra> so if you dont use jasper you are doomed to use unity
[14:29] <ogra> NCommander, look at the jasper-initramfs code
[14:29] <GrueMaster> ogra: Shouldn't that be added to the netbook-efl-settings postinstall script or something?
[14:29] <ogra> GrueMaster, no
[14:30] <rsalveti> ogra: I think we should, it works fine
[14:30] <ogra> GrueMaster, then it would switch back and forth depending on the order if the settings packages being installed
[14:30] <ogra> s/if//
[14:30] <ogra> i discussed that several times with didrocks, there is no proper way to do it
[14:30] <GrueMaster> Well, it should be somewhere in the image build process, and not some hackery in the preboot scripts.
[14:31] <ogra> it *doesnt* work if you have both installed
[14:31] <persia> "doomed to use unity" doesn't seem right.  Can we avoid that phrasing?
[14:31] <ogra> persia, i'm trying to ... :P
[14:31] <ogra> GrueMaster, all you can do is to select the right session at gdm
[14:32] <GrueMaster> Doesn't help for the live image.
[14:32] <ogra> ubuntu-netbook had a fallback concept in the past
[14:32] <NCommander> Whoever decided that we needed a script to decide how Unity is loaded (or not loaded) has in inhertantly broken design
[14:32] <ogra> but the desktoip team decided it would be bad to have that if the UIs dont lkook the same
[14:32] <NCommander> It needs to work automatically, or we need two seeds.
[14:32] <ogra> NCommander, talk to didrocks
[14:32] <ogra> or the desktop team in general
[14:33]  * ogra had the discussion several times since before the sprint ... all they agreed on was a popup message telling you that you have to switch the session manually
[14:33] <ogra> in case unity comes up with no GL support
[14:33] <GrueMaster> Which we don't even have that yet.
[14:33] <ogra> didrocks has a task for it
[14:34] <NCommander> can I move on?
[14:34] <ogra> yes
[14:34] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[14:34] <NCommander> Nothing to report on my end.
[14:34] <dyfet> we got telepathy-glib unblocked, though there were some questions remaining
[14:34] <ogra> dyfet, how goes commons-daemon ?
[14:35] <dyfet> but we were as noted able to get images to build :).  And yes, I got commons-daemon to build
[14:35] <ogra> yes, i know i uploaded the telepathy-glib workaround ....
[14:35]  * persia filed a sync request last week for commons-daemon
[14:35] <dyfet> and kdebindings is unblocked too
[14:35] <dyfet> But I found a new problem effecting rebuilds
[14:35] <dyfet> automoc now crashes for me
[14:36] <dyfet> I documented it last night
[14:36] <ogra> dyfet, bug 623979
[14:36] <ogra> could you take care for talking to upstream about it ?
[14:36] <ogra> seb128 asked that upstream fixes it properly
[14:36] <dyfet> I no longer have the self tests fail
[14:36] <ogra> can you read the bug first ?
[14:36] <Riddell> dyfet: a new problem in kdebindings?
[14:37] <dyfet> we need to figure out why it happens on your box and the porters box, ogra
[14:37] <dyfet> (still happens)
[14:37] <dyfet> Riddell: no, a problem with automoc
[14:37] <dyfet> (new problem)
[14:37] <ogra> dyfet, well, then research it, you have access to the porter box
[14:37] <dyfet> okay, fair enough
[14:37] <Riddell> dyfet: it crashes during build?
[14:38] <dyfet> automoc fails when used to build other packages
[14:38] <Riddell> hum
[14:39] <dyfet> so its blocking rebuilding other kde packages in universe for maverick
[14:40] <dyfet> but if NCommander needs to move forward, we can discuss after the meeting
[14:41] <NCommander> Lets move forward
[14:42] <NCommander> [action] dyfet and Riddell to cooridinate on automoc
[14:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dyfet and Riddell to cooridinate on automoc
[14:42] <dyfet> agreed
[14:42] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[14:42] <NCommander> they exist
[14:42] <NCommander> dove ones are broken. Will work with ogra on how we can force the session to 2D only on dove
[14:42] <ogra> omap should be fine
[14:42]  * NCommander is very annoyed that the autodetection was removed
[14:42] <NCommander> dove server ones should also be fine.
[14:43] <ogra> NCommander, unity is written from scratch
[14:43] <ogra> nothing was "removed" :)
[14:43] <NCommander> It was there, then it wasn't there
[14:43] <NCommander> That sure sounds like the definition of removed
[14:44] <ogra> and as i said above, desktop team a) refuses to have a differently looking 2D fallback ... and b) session handling is all in gdm now
[14:44] <persia> Rather, the folks that implemented the netbook solution didn't have time to port it to unity for maverick, and nobody else picked up the work.
[14:44] <persia> ogra: a) isn't true: it's a time availability thing.
[14:44] <ogra> persia, as far as i understood its not wanted
[14:44] <ogra> at least thats what i was told several times now
[14:44] <persia> Not considered critical != not wanted.
[14:44] <ogra> but as i said, feel free to talk to them yourself
[14:44] <persia> Or we've received different information.
[14:44]  * persia did, a few times, or wouldn't be commenting
[14:45] <ogra> funny that we did get different info then
[14:45] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[14:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[14:46]  * ogra will be away today after the meeting
[14:46] <ogra> just FYI
[14:46] <persia> A couple things.
[14:46] <persia> 1) The #ubuntu-mobile channel is no more (it was entirely unused, as far as I could tell)
[14:47] <persia> 2) kubuntu-mobile images are available for omap3, and the kubuntu-mobile folks could use help testing, if anyone has hardware/time.
[14:47] <ogra> wohoo !
[14:47] <GrueMaster> I have been trying the kubuntu-mobile images as time allows.
[14:48] <ian_brasil__> GrueMaster: with success?
[14:49] <GrueMaster> Not yet.  Oem-config crashed, but I had to move back to our images due to XM issues.
[14:49] <ogra> ian_brasil__, i doubt normal beagles will be great for testing them (256M only)
[14:49] <GrueMaster> Will track it down today.
[14:49] <ogra> you should make clear to recommend to use them only on XM
[14:49]  * ogra doubts kubuntu will be less RAM hungry than ubuntu-netbook here
[14:50] <ian_brasil__> ogra: we work on this for Natty
[14:50] <ogra> well, for natty you will have the XM in production out there, 512M should be fine for either of the images
[14:51] <ogra> the larger community will only have beagle Cx boards during maverick though ... thats likely to have OOM issues
[14:51] <persia> There's also the requirement for accelerated graphics...
[14:52] <ian_brasil__> regarding the images ...we want to file MIR bugs for packages currently in universe which  should be in the image ...these are kubuntu-mobile-default-settings , plasma-mobile and kdepim-mobile..rbelem offered to maintain them and riddell/ScottK will sponsor them.
[14:53] <ogra> oh, there is ?
[14:53] <ogra> we dont have any drivers in the archive
[14:53]  * ogra thought kubuntu-mobile can run without 3D accel
[14:53] <persia> It can, but ...
[14:54] <persia> ian_brasil__, I thought there already was MIR for plasma-mobile and kubuntu-mobile-default-settings.
[14:54] <ian_brasil__> yes..i am keeping people in the loop
[14:55] <persia> OK.  I feared I'd lost track :)
[14:55] <Riddell> I was expecting plasma-mobile and kubuntu-mobile-default-settings to remain in universe this cycle
[14:57] <persia> Riddell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/626543 has some of the discussion of what is required if the MIRs are not completed.  ScottK suggested a few MIRs might be less invasive.
[14:57] <persia> Doesn't much matter which approach is taken, really.
[14:58] <ian_brasil__> the requirement for main is maintained and supported ..since we have both maybe main is ok since it makes cdimage happier
[14:58] <ogra> it surely makes NCommander happier :)
[14:58] <Riddell> mm yes, I remember
[14:58] <ogra> since he fiddles with the build scripts for it
[14:58] <persia> ian_brasil__, cdimage works against universe, but we incorrectly assumed that we could have one seed collection handle both universe and main images.
[14:58] <ogra> but iirc you can build images from universe
[14:58] <ogra> xubuntu does that all the time
[14:59] <persia> ogra, Only with a universe seed.
[14:59] <ogra> ah
[14:59] <persia> (and requires LP changes, etc.)
[14:59] <ian_brasil__> ogra: you cannot mix seeds
[14:59]  * ogra didnt know that, i never built images from universe ... 
[14:59] <NCommander> persia: ?, what was the issue with universe images?
[14:59] <NCommander> It built fine with packages from universe
[14:59] <persia> ogra, We all just discovered it in the past couple days.
[14:59] <ogra> luckily edubuntu decided to do that after i left :)
[14:59] <persia> NCommander, ogre-model on task generation
[14:59] <persia> Oh, and ogre-model on metapackage build.
[15:00] <NCommander> I'm afraid I might be missing something
[15:00] <ogra> NCommander, its like an onion you know :)
[15:00] <persia> ogra, edubuntu wouldn't be affected, as it was a clean transition: the issue is that kubuntu can't have *both* main and universe images.  needs two seed collections.
[15:00] <ogra> persia, yeah, understood
[15:01] <ogra> me points out that we're over time
[15:01] <ogra> not sure there is another meeting now though
[15:01] <persia> Anyway, two ways to sort it: the MIR folk and the cdimage folk can argue about who wants less inconvenience.  If ian_brasil__ and rbelem keep up the interest they've shown the last 2 cycles, I don't think main ought be an issue.
[15:01] <persia> Probably.
[15:01]  * persia stops
[15:01] <ogra> move to #ubuntu-arm ;)
[15:02] <ogra> NCommander, kill it !
[15:02] <davidm> NCommander, ???
[15:03] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:03] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:03.
[15:03]  * NCommander is dealing with a serious internet blink blink blink issue tonight
[15:06] <rsajdok> /quiy
[15:28]  * ari-tczew is going for dinner, then be ready for meeting.
[15:35] <costales> Hi!
[15:36] <costales> Who can I help me with a wiki.ubuntu.com bug?
[15:37] <LjL> costales: perhaps better to ask in #ubuntu-doc
[15:37] <costales> thanks ;) LjL
[15:49] <leoquant> costales your wiki page is "gone"?
[15:49] <costales> yes
[15:49] <costales> :(
[15:49] <costales> I can't revert the version
[15:49] <leoquant> strange, it was up and running
[15:49] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/costales?action=info
[15:49] <costales> I can't revert to rev. 5621
[15:49] <leoquant> ah
[15:50] <costales> I'm in #ubuntu-doc
[15:50] <costales> :S
[15:50] <leoquant> good luck there!
[15:50] <costales> :)
[15:50] <costales> thanks!
[16:00]  * persia peers about
[16:01] <soren> o/
[16:02] <persia> OK.  That's two.  Need a couple more...
[16:02] <persia> soren: Up for being chair this week?
[16:03] <ari-tczew> o/
[16:04] <ari-tczew> again there are not enough people for meeting?
[16:05] <angelabad> ops,
[16:05] <soren> persia: sorry, no. I know I'll be interrupted and I have to leave early.
[16:06] <soren> persia: There's a reason I want this meeting moved. :)
[16:06] <persia> cody-somerville: about?
[16:06] <cody-somerville> Yup
[16:07] <persia> geser seems away just now.  stgraber sends apologies.  nixternal is patiently waiting for new member selection, and the last of us is busy preparing beta.
[16:07] <persia> cody-somerville: Up for chairing?
[16:07] <soren> Are we even quorate?
[16:07] <persia> (note that we're still short one: my preference is to wait a bit for geser, unless I missed something)
[16:07] <persia> soren: We could be, if we were willing to delay beta
[16:08] <cody-somerville> persia, you're much more effective at it
[16:08] <soren> *shrug* :)
[16:08] <ari-tczew> ...
[16:08] <persia> cody-somerville: I'm good during the meeting.  I'm lousy afterwards.  Want to share?
[16:08] <cody-somerville> persia, No... but I will ;)
[16:09] <cody-somerville> ari-tczew, *agian*... we're almost always quorate.
[16:09] <persia> cody-somerville: Great!
[16:09]  * cody-somerville probably should have put a question mark after the '*again*'.
[16:10] <persia> So let's give geser another few minutes (until :15), and then interrupt as required to move on.
[16:11] <ari-tczew> aha
[16:11] <ari-tczew> coolbhavi should be around on this meeting?
[16:12] <ari-tczew> or is it not necessary?
[16:12] <persia> ari-tczew: Not necessary.
[16:15] <persia> cjwatson, Apologies, but we're not quorate without you, if you can spare some time.
[16:17] <ari-tczew> can I ask what is it? Review Marco Rodrigues participation in Ubuntu Development
[16:19] <ari-tczew> who is around from DMB? persia, cody-somerville?
[16:19] <persia> and soren.
[16:19]  * soren too
[16:19] <ari-tczew> but soren wrote that he have to go
[16:19] <soren> Early. Not immediately.
[16:20] <soren> ~40 minutes from now.
[16:20] <ari-tczew> aha
[16:20] <persia> ari-tczew, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-January/003067.html is the other side of the agenda item you asked about.
[16:22] <ari-tczew> MOTU council was replaced by DMB right?
[16:22] <soren> Sort of.
[16:22] <persia> Not precisely, but many of the functions of the MC are now administered by the DMB
[16:23] <soren> ...and the MC does not exist anmore.
[16:23] <soren> anymore.
[16:23] <soren> DMB does stuff the MC did not, and the MC did stuff the DMB does not.
[16:23] <persia> rather, at this time (it may exist in the future, but there aren't currently any efforts to create it)
[16:24] <persia> OK.  We're running out of time, and still have no quorum.  I'll run through a non-quoarate meeting.
[16:25] <persia> Apologies to ari-tczew, angelabad, Kmos
[16:25] <persia> #startmeeting
[16:25] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:25. The chair is persia.
[16:25] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:25] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[16:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[16:25] <ari-tczew> so what's going on now?
[16:25] <ari-tczew> application won't be reviewed?
[16:25] <persia> [TOPIC] Review of Action Items
[16:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of Action Items
[16:26] <persia> mathiaz to transfer ownership of ~ubuntu-server-dev to the DMB
[16:26] <persia> DONE
[16:26] <persia> persia to call for remaining votes for coolbhavi's application
[16:26] <persia> DONE : still pending one vote, I'll repeat the action, and ensure I have the vote within the next fortnight.
[16:26] <persia> cjwatson to initiate discussion of different meeting times[
[16:27] <persia> DONE : current candidate is rotating meetings 12:00/19:00 UTC Mondays, but not yet confirmed by a quorum of the DMB.
[16:27] <persia> [TOPIC] Applications
[16:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Applications
[16:27] <persia> We're unquorate, so cannot take any decisions: all applications will be postponed until the next meeting (again, apologies)
[16:28] <ari-tczew> when is next meeting?
[16:28] <persia> September 13th or 14th.  We're more likely to be quorate the 13th, but might do the 14th to preserve continuity.  We'll certainly let folks know RSN.
[16:29] <persia> [TOPIC] Anything else?
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Anything else?
[16:29] <angelabad> ops, I think I will be impossible to be in that meeting
[16:29] <persia> angelabad, Sorry.  We'll try to figure something out.
[16:30] <persia> OK.  Nothing else.
[16:30] <angelabad> persia, ok
[16:30] <ari-tczew> I have very good lucky!
[16:30] <persia> #endmeeting
[16:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:30.
[16:31] <persia> Fastest meeting ever, but somehow unsatisfying :(
[16:31] <angelabad> :-(
[16:32] <ari-tczew> yea, like it
[16:32] <ari-tczew> persia, I see that Marco Rodrigues is not in any important team.
[16:32] <ari-tczew> e.g. he is not in MOTU
[16:32] <persia> Yes?
[16:33] <ari-tczew> ok, not my case
[16:33]  * persia isn't sure how this is relevant, nor why it belongs in -meeting when the meeting is concluded.
[16:34] <ari-tczew> ok, going out to take relax. perhaps we will got full meeting in future. regards!
[16:37] <cjwatson> argh.  sorry, I was on the phone and missed this.
[16:37]  * geser is sorry for being late
[16:39] <angelabad> Now there is quorum?
[16:40] <persia> Why so there is, but only for ~20 minutes.
[16:40] <angelabad> oh! ari-tczew is gone
[16:40] <persia> And unfortunately, our first up is ari-tczew, who left :(
[16:40] <persia> Any opinions?  Shall I re-open the meeting to look at (2) and (3) (if we can conclude in 20 minutes)?
[16:41] <cody-somerville> I have to go very soon and I think soren does as well.
[16:41] <persia> That's what I thought.
[16:42] <persia> geser, cjwatson: Thanks for stopping by, but I think we can't finish within our timeslot.
[16:44] <cjwatson> sorry again
[16:45] <cjwatson> (though I did warn by mail that I probably wouldn't be able to make it due to beta prep; I mention this purely for the record since the dmb list is private)
[16:46] <persia> cjwatson, Indeed.  That's why you didn't get pinged until :15, as it was felt you were busy.
[16:46] <persia> (see comment at :07 if you're very curious)
[17:59] <JFo> o/
[17:59] <lag> \o
[17:59] <smb> \o
[17:59] <cking> o/
[17:59] <jjohansen> \o
[17:59] <kamal> o/
[18:00] <JFo> nice dance moves everyone
[18:00]  * ogasawara waves
[18:00] <ogasawara> #startmeeting
[18:00] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is ogasawara.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:00] <ogasawara> #
[18:00] <ogasawara> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:00] <ogasawara> #
[18:00] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] ARM Status (lag)
[18:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (lag)
[18:00] <manjo> \0
[18:00] <lag>  * Marvel (mvl-dove)
[18:00] <lag>    * MISC     : Now we have both mvl-dove branch in lucid and maverick, though it's moved straight
[18:00] <lag>                 from lucid to maverick (so it's 2.6.32 based) - thanks Tim/Brad/Andy Leann for this
[18:00] <lag>    * MISC     : Received LSP 5.3.3 from Marvell, 23 patches, some are minor feature change and do not
[18:00] <lag>                 qualify as SRU, will send my preliminary review out soon
[18:00] <lag>  * Freescale (fsl-imx51)
[18:00] <lag>    * Nothing new this week
[18:00] <lag>  * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[18:00] <lag>    * REBASE   : Updated to TI OMAP4 2.6.35 based kernel release, 2.6.35-903.8 was uploaded
[18:00] <lag>    * PATCH    : B613855 BB XM always boots with MMC as read-only due to incorrect GPIO settings
[18:00] <lag>    * ON GOING : B608266 fix submitted and accepted - still waiting for mobile team to test
[18:00] <lag>    * ON GOING : B563650 problem is not related to DPMS, but with VT driver entering power saving mode
[18:00] <lag>    * NEW      : B624652 new Panda version (ES2.0) needs a working bootloader
[18:00] <lag> ..
[18:01] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:01] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (6 bugs, 9 Blueprints)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * 1 linux kernel bugs (down 1)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:01] <JFo> [18:01] <JFo>  * 12 linux kernel bugs (down 5)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 1 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 3 linux-mvl-dove bugs (up 1)
[18:01] <JFo>  * 1 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:02] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:02] <JFo> [18:02] <JFo>  * 13 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[18:02] <JFo> [18:02] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[18:02] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[18:02] <JFo> ..
[18:02] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:03] <JFo> Nothing to report... yet
[18:03] <JFo> much coming soonish
[18:03] <JFo> ..
[18:03] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:03] <cking> no change (been on vacation)
[18:03] <ogasawara> ack
[18:03] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:03] <ogasawara> Some armel udebs were accidentally removed from the archive over the weekend.  As a result, it was easiest to just upload a 2.6.35-19.28 kernel to re-generate the missing udebs.  There is no real change in code.
[18:03] <ogasawara> Beta Freeze is in effect as the Maverick Beta release is this Thurs Sept 2nd.  That means no kernel uploads without the approval of the release team until after the Beta release.  Also, keep in mind that Kernel Freeze is Thurs Sept 16th, ie ~2weeks away.  Remember after Kernel Freeze, we transition to our SRU policy in order to apply patches.
[18:04] <ogasawara> We are above our Beta burn down chart's trend line.  I'll be re-targetting beta work items to the final release milestone tomorrow.  Looking ahead towards our final release, we need to start closing out all remaining open work items to ensure we stay below the overall burn down chart.
[18:04] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[18:04] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta
[18:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[18:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta
[18:04] <ogasawara> ..
[18:05] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:05] <smb> |                   || Upd./Sec.     || Proposed      || TiP || Verified    ||
[18:05] <smb> || Dapper: Kernel    || 2.6.15-55.87  ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || Hardy:  Kernel    || 2.6.24-28.77  || (pending)     ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || Jaunty: Kernel    || 2.6.28-19.64  ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || Karmic: Kernel    || 2.6.31-22.63  || 2.6.31-22.64  ||   7 ||  0/ 4       ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       mvl-dove  || 2.6.31-214.30 || 2.6.31-214.31 ||   7 ||  0/ 4       ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-112.28 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       ec2       || 2.6.31-307.17 || 2.6.31-307.18 ||   7 ||  0/ 4       ||
[18:05] <smb> || Lucid:  Kernel    || 2.6.32-24.42  || (pending)     ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       LBM       || 2.6.32-24.17  || (pending)     ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       mvl-dove  || 2.6.32-209.25 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-608.19 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       ti-omap   || 2.6.33-502.10 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> || =       ec2       || 2.6.32-308.15 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:05] <smb> Lucid 2.6.32-24.42 has moved to updates just today. Uploaded 2.6.32-25.43 which contains the accumulated upstream stable releases until 2.6.32.21 but currently excludes the drm portions.
[18:05] <smb> We are in the process to collect those drm patches since the end of 2.6.33.y
[18:05] <smb> that look good for stable backports.
[18:05] <smb> Rebased uploads for Lucid-ec2 and Lucid-mvl-dove will follow shortly.
[18:05] <smb> ..
[18:06] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:06] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[18:06] <JFo> 368 Maverick Bugs (up 44)
[18:06] <JFo> 958 Lucid Bugs (up 43)
[18:06] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>   * 178 maverick bugs (up 20)
[18:06] <JFo>   * 162 lucid bugs (up 3: to be converted to regression-release)
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>   * 43 lucid bugs (up 1)
[18:06] <JFo>   * 7 karmic bugs (up 1)
[18:06] <JFo>   * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:06] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bug (down 1)
[18:06] <JFo> [18:06] <JFo>   * 167 lucid bugs (up 11)
[18:06] <JFo>   * 37 karmic bugs (down 1)
[18:06] <JFo>   * 18 jaunty bugs (up 1)
[18:06] <JFo>   * 3 hardy bugs (up 1)
[18:07] <JFo> [18:07] <JFo>   * 4 lucid bugs (no change)
[18:07] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[18:07] <JFo> ..
[18:07] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:07] <JFo> Next week's bug day will be focused on bugs in the Triaged state. We will work through getting them tagged with the appropriate subsystem and make sure that the ones that need to be looked at more closely are tagged appropriately. We will continue to have the Team Bug Day to address the Top 50 list as half days on Friday and Monday. Reviewers, please take a look at your needs-review lists and help us keep the process moving. Please also take owner
[18:07] <JFo> ship of your bugs as you work them so we can get them fixed or otherwise off the list. There are several subsystems owned by all that need to be reviewed for inclusion in our top 50 list.
[18:08] <JFo> ..
[18:08] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[18:08] <JFo> I have not taken the time this week to work with the kernel bug triagers, but I hope to do so this coming week.
[18:08] <JFo> I've been, and will need to continue, working on work items so that they are being closed out.
[18:08] <JFo> There is much work being done, but some of them have required more than I was prepared for.
[18:08] <JFo> The Triage Sumit will be on the 11th. I'm sending out e-mail on it today.
[18:09] <ogasawara> JFo: if there are non-critical work items that you need to postpone, go ahead and do so.
[18:09] <JFo> had planned to do that yesterday
[18:09] <JFo> will do
[18:09] <JFo> going through those today
[18:09] <JFo> ..
[18:09] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:10] <ogasawara> I figured today's meeting would be rather short.
[18:10] <ogasawara> So if there's nothing else . . .
[18:11] <ogasawara> #endmeeting
[18:11] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:11.
[18:11] <JFo> thanks ogasawara
[18:11] <cking> thanks ogasawara
[18:11] <smb> thanks ogasawara
[18:11] <kamal> ogasawara: thanks
[18:55] <kirkland> o/
[18:56] <SpamapS> \@
[18:57] <JFo> nice hair SpamapS
[18:57] <SpamapS> I call it "eu-de-toilet-swirly-nuveau"
[18:57] <hallyn> \o
[18:58] <mathiaz> o/
[18:58] <ttx> ~o{
[18:58] <hallyn> so unless Daviey's connection has improved, i guess i'm up today
[18:58] <ttx> SpamapS: I see your French did not improve yet
[18:58] <SpamapS> ttx: non
[18:59] <Daviey> o/
[18:59] <SpamapS> mon Frances c'est merde
[18:59] <jiboumans> bon jour
[19:00] <Daviey> thanks hallyn
[19:00] <hggdh> ~ô~
[19:00]  * mathiaz suggests to run the meeting in french
[19:00] <zul> afternoon
[19:00] <ttx> mathiaz: that's the only way for them to improve.
[19:00] <jiboumans> oui! # pronounced 'weh'
[19:00] <hallyn> laaten we het in vlaams doen
[19:00] <jiboumans> hallyn: goed plan sjefke!
[19:00] <zul> le purr
[19:00] <zul> le meow
[19:00] <hallyn> (think we've not heard from kirkland yet)
[19:01] <jjohansen> \o
[19:01] <SpamapS> tabernac!
[19:01] <smoser> \0
[19:01] <hggdh> LOL
[19:01] <hallyn> #startmeeting
[19:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is hallyn.
[19:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:01] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:01] <hallyn> SpamapS to submit rubygems change proposal as Important bug in Debian and CC ubuntu-devel
[19:02] <hallyn> done, right?
[19:02] <SpamapS> submitted, discussion had, concensus reached...
[19:02] <SpamapS> rubygems 1.8 will not be changed
[19:02] <SpamapS> 1.9.1 is being merged into ruby 1.9
[19:02] <SpamapS> and will put gems in...... drum roll please
[19:02] <SpamapS> /usr/local/bin!
[19:02] <jiboumans> w00tz
[19:02] <SpamapS> this is huge
[19:03] <jiboumans> <------------ this big ------------>
[19:03] <SpamapS> ^^ indeed
[19:03] <smoser> hooray.
[19:03] <ttx> Congrats to SpamapS for passing his first consensus
[19:03] <hallyn> that was on the order of years right?
[19:03] <Daviey> three cheers for awesomeness
[19:03]  * SpamapS will learn to spell it next. :)
[19:03] <ttx> I'd be so happy if only I didn't hate Ruby.
[19:03] <Daviey> hurding cats deserves praise :)
[19:03] <SpamapS> I cann't take credit here hto..
[19:04] <SpamapS> Lucas Nussbaum was huge in this
[19:04] <hallyn> cool.  moving on
[19:04] <SpamapS> I think we just brought the sway of the ruby community at the right time.
[19:04] <hallyn> jjohansen to review bug 493156
[19:04] <hallyn> (sorry, didn't mean to interrupt any revelry)
[19:05] <jjohansen> hrmm, I built test kernels with that but haven't submitted for sru yet
[19:05] <SpamapS> hallyn: no we're done. :)
[19:05] <jiboumans> jjohansen: sweet.. i've actually run into a problem last week where exactly that would have let me diagnose it
[19:05] <hallyn> is there any controversy over enabling them?  or is simply asking for sru the next step?
[19:06] <jjohansen> It simply asking for SRU and providing tests, showing that it works
[19:06] <jjohansen> I need to attach the test kernels so we can get some people to pile on and claim it works for them ...
[19:07] <hallyn> [ACTION] jjohansen to provide tests for bug 582963 and request SRU
[19:07] <hallyn> then?
[19:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jjohansen to provide tests for bug 582963 and request SRU
[19:07] <hallyn> jjohansen: ^  is that ok?
[19:08] <hallyn> (mootbot keeps PMing me, i think it's stalking me)
[19:08] <jjohansen> yep,
[19:08] <hallyn> moving on then
[19:08] <hallyn> zul to review papercut status of bug 582963
[19:08] <zul> done...
[19:08] <hallyn> zul: and it's not a papercut?
[19:08] <zul> hallyn: its in apache right now
[19:09] <hallyn> k
[19:09] <hallyn> ttx to make burnup charts available to people who want them
[19:09] <ttx> Done @ http://people.canonical.com/~ttx/current-milestone-progress.svg & refreshed hourly
[19:09] <hggdh> zul: there is a side effect of the SSL bug: bug 627142
[19:09] <jiboumans> ttx++
[19:10] <zul> hggdh: yeah im thinking of reverting it
[19:10] <hallyn> hm, what do you do with the papercut if you revert the fix?
[19:11] <ttx> hallyn: the papercut cycle is over anyway
[19:11] <hallyn> ok :)
[19:11] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Maverick development (jib)
[19:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick development (jib)
[19:11] <jiboumans> beta cycle is winding down (ends this thursday)
[19:11] <jiboumans> we're mostly on track with our blueprints; small postpones are expected, but nothing major
[19:12] <jiboumans> please note that iso testing is coming up soon!
[19:12] <jiboumans> ttx and I will be prepping the RC plan this week and finalizing it this friday
[19:12] <ttx> I can add a few details on the beta milestone remaining work
[19:12] <jiboumans> if there's anything you feel should be on our radars for RC, feel free to bring it up of course
[19:13] <jiboumans> so far, nothing alarming is on my radar, so it'll be mostly business as usual, with extra time for testing of course
[19:13] <jiboumans> ttx: please go ahead
[19:13] <ttx> We've looked into the beta-milestoned bugs with the assignees today
[19:13] <ttx> and we don't expect to respin for any of them
[19:13] <ttx> we might have a new eucalyptus that would go in *if* the beta is respinned for any other reason
[19:14] <ttx> otherwise it will just be committed when the archive thaws
[19:14] <ttx> So ISO testing can start today if you have spare cycles
[19:14] <mathiaz> ttx:  bug 621175
[19:14] <ttx> otherwise we'll cover it tomorrow.
[19:15] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ this one makes the minimal virtual test case fail
[19:15] <mathiaz> ttx: not beta critical though
[19:15]  * SpamapS hopes and prays that ceph doesn't get disabled again.
[19:15] <hallyn> ttx: would you say that should be an action item?
[19:15] <ttx> mathiaz: rigth, I don't expect the kernel to be reuploaded now -- good one to bring to jjohansen though
[19:15] <jiboumans> hallyn: iso testing is part of our work item blueprints
[19:16] <ttx> hallyn: ISO testing ? No, that would be redundant with the work items :)
[19:16]  * mathiaz keeps it for later on
[19:16] <hallyn> ok
[19:16] <ttx> jiboumans: I've a few notes on the post-beta work as well
[19:16] <jiboumans> ttx: please, go ahead
[19:16] <ttx> some of you will still have some spec work
[19:16] <ttx> but otherwise the focus is on Maverick bugs @
[19:16] <ttx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs
[19:17] <ttx> Unfortunately you can't filter that list of ubuntu-server things
[19:17] <ttx> (LP bug)
[19:17] <ttx> So I publish an outofsync version @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus
[19:17] <jiboumans> ttx++
[19:17] <ttx> If you look at that last one you'll see three levels of bugs
[19:18] <jiboumans> ttx: would tagging be helpful for us there?
[19:18] <ttx> Milestoned bugs -- those have high priority
[19:18] <ttx> jiboumans: I've to look into automating the generation of this one, yes. tagging is one solution
[19:18] <ttx> high priority meaning, spec work is even secondary
[19:19] <ttx> then you have "High, release targeted bugs"
[19:19] <ttx> those are priority targets, but come after High priority spec work, if you follow me :)
[19:19] <ttx> and finally "Other release-targeted bugs"
[19:19] <ttx> which are targts of opportunity
[19:19] <ttx> The first two categories have assignees
[19:19] <mathiaz> ttx: could you publish a prioritize list of things to do?
[19:19] <ttx> the last one is free game
[19:20] <mathiaz> ttx: 1. work on bugs from this list
[19:20] <mathiaz> ttx: 2. work on high priority specs
[19:20] <mathiaz> ttx: 3. ...
[19:20] <ttx> mathiaz: I'll discuss it with you on 1:1s when I know your spec load
[19:20] <mathiaz> ttx: and so on
[19:20] <ttx> because some specs have higher prio than some bugs etc
[19:21] <ttx> But the general idea is:
[19:21] <ttx> 1. Milestoned bugs (if any assiged to you)
[19:21] <ttx> 2. Spec work
[19:21] <ttx> 3. High, release targeted bugs (if any assigned to you)
[19:21] <ttx> 4. "Low" spec work
[19:21] <ttx> 5. Other release-targeted bugs (free game)
[19:22] <ttx> mathiaz: if that answers your question
[19:22] <mathiaz> ttx: is this list specific to the RC cycle, or should it also be used during the other iterations?
[19:22] <mathiaz> ttx: yes - that is very useful information
[19:23] <ttx> mathiaz: actually, it can be used for all
[19:23] <mathiaz> ttx: to help figure out in which order things should be worked on
[19:23] <ttx> it's just that we don't expect so much free time to do (5) in non-RC cycles
[19:23] <ttx> beta and Rc cycles provision /some/ time to do RC bugfixing
[19:23] <mathiaz> ttx: agreed - still it's useful information to help figure out what to work on :)
[19:24] <hallyn> so milestoned bugs always are highest prio?  that actually is (refreshing) news to me, neat.
[19:24] <ttx> if you see anything missing from those lists, please let me know
[19:24] <mathiaz> ttx: this should probably be included in the personal view of the WI somehow
[19:24] <ttx> hallyn: yes, those are "must fix"
[19:24] <jiboumans> mathiaz: yup, agreed.. i think SpamapS is hacking on that actually
[19:25] <SpamapS> Yeah I've been working on getting bug lists into those pages
[19:25] <ttx> I'm done, unless there are other questions
[19:26] <SpamapS> At this point the limitation is people.canonical.com's lack of server side scripting (otherwise we have to pull down all of the bugs in maverick into sqlite)
[19:26] <jiboumans> spamaps: iframe, hoooo?
[19:26] <jiboumans> ttx, thanks for that
[19:26] <SpamapS> jiboumans: http://spamaps.org/files/test.html
[19:26]  * mathiaz is a fan of couchdb - everything should be in there
[19:26] <SpamapS> that about as good as I can do w/ iframes. But we can continue that discussion later.
[19:27] <lifeless> mathiaz: as long as you have TB of disk
[19:27] <SpamapS> thats... ugh my typing is awful today.
[19:27] <hallyn> jiboumans: did you have any more on the topic?
[19:27] <jiboumans> hallyn: nope, all done thanks
[19:27] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:27] <hggdh> hi
[19:27] <SpamapS> lifeless: who doesn't have TB of disk these days? ;-)
[19:27] <lifeless> SpamapS: you'd be surprised.
[19:27] <mathiaz> SpamapS: android phones?
[19:28] <hallyn> howdie
[19:28] <hggdh> this week I am pretty much dedicated to my other QA blueprints -- given that Eucalyptus has gone stable(r)
[19:28] <zul> SpamapS: i dont
[19:28] <hallyn> any questions for hggdh in that case?
[19:28] <zul> noep
[19:28] <lifeless> SpamapS: after this meeting, please pop into #launhcpad-dev and chat about the bug lists you want, may be simpler to spit it straight of LP
[19:28] <hggdh> on the Qa front we are considering changing a bit the way the regression tags are used, and should have something soon for comments
[19:29] <mathiaz> hggdh: I've (finally!!) written scripts for most of the -server iso test cases
[19:29] <SpamapS> lifeless: yes, I have some ideas for that as well for sure.
[19:29] <hggdh> apart from that... enjoying *not* running tests on euca, for a change ;-)
[19:29] <mathiaz> hggdh: I've talked with cr3 to get them included in checkbox at some point
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[19:29] <hggdh> mathiaz: cool!
[19:30] <hggdh> but that's it, unless there is a question for me
[19:30] <mathiaz> hggdh: I've also automated all the iso testing now
[19:30] <hggdh> mathiaz: wow! on VMs?
[19:30] <SpamapS> hggdh: I've tagged a bug recently as regression-release .. would that mean it gets a long hard look from your team?
[19:30] <mathiaz> hggdh: it may be usefull to share my setup with the QA team
[19:30] <mathiaz> hggdh: yes
[19:30] <hggdh> mathiaz: yes, we would love to see (and use) it
[19:30] <mathiaz> hggdh: and all the tests results are stored in couchdb
[19:30] <hggdh> SpamapS: actually, in this case you probably did the Right Thing
[19:31] <hggdh> mathiaz: I love you :-)
[19:31] <hallyn> on that amicable note,
[19:31] <mathiaz> hggdh: I'm in touch with cr3 on a regular basis as he works on something similar for LP
[19:31] <mathiaz> I'm done now :)
[19:31] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:32] <hallyn> pv-ops kernel status update
[19:33] <jjohansen> Bug #606373 - I have gotten working console output but its sparadic, it comes and goes so I am looking for a race
[19:33] <hallyn> jjohansen: ^
[19:33] <hallyn> oops
[19:33] <jjohansen> :)
[19:34] <jjohansen> Bug #620994 - after extensive testing doesn't affect, Maverick or Lucid
[19:34] <jjohansen> We originally believed it would be problematic for Lucid
[19:35] <jjohansen> Bug #614853 - can not replicate
[19:35] <ttx> jjohansen: about bug 621175
[19:36] <ttx> is that something we can fix postbeta ?
[19:36] <jjohansen> ttx - we will have to, its just a matter of packaging.  The kernel froze last week so no changes could be made since last wednesday
[19:36] <jjohansen> it opens up again with beta release
[19:37] <ttx> jjohansen: ack
[19:38] <hallyn> more questions?
[19:38] <hallyn> thanks, jjohansen
[19:38] <hallyn> moving on,
[19:38] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:39] <jiboumans> no sommer it seems
[19:39] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[19:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[19:39] <hallyn> no kim0 either, though, i think
[19:40] <hallyn> going once
[19:40] <hallyn> going twice,
[19:40] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Papercuts Maverick retrospective (ttx)
[19:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Papercuts Maverick retrospective (ttx)
[19:40] <ttx> Quick retrospective on the Maverick papercuts effort
[19:40] <ttx> Total of 48 targets
[19:41] <ttx> 25 bugs fixed
[19:41] <ttx> 8 invalidated
[19:41] <ttx> 3 waiting on upstream
[19:41] <ttx> 12 postponed
[19:41] <ttx> I think it was not successful in bringing in new contributors
[19:41] <kirkland> how many users did we make "happier" with Ubuntu Server?
[19:41] <ttx> so I'd rethink it completely
[19:41] <kirkland> (that's perhaps a hypothetical question)
[19:42] <mathiaz> ttx: well - I think it may not have reached the initial objectives
[19:42] <ttx> something like a list of bitesize server bugs
[19:42] <hallyn> kirkland: well, unmeasurable perhaps
[19:42] <Daviey> am i still here?
[19:42] <mathiaz> ttx: however I think we're still fixed bugs
[19:42] <ttx> that we can point contributors to
[19:42] <kirkland> Daviey: ack
[19:42] <Daviey> ta
[19:42] <mathiaz> ttx: and we were able to measure it
[19:42] <SpamapS> ttx: I think some blogging effort and scheduled "learn how to fix a bug in ubuntu" IRC classes would help with that.
[19:42] <mathiaz> ttx: IMO it was a successfull format
[19:43] <kirkland> ttx: i really, really, really like the idea of DEDICATING time to fixing bugs in random (or not so random) server packages
[19:43] <ttx> that's a discussion for UDS, I suspect
[19:43] <SpamapS> Agreed
[19:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: agreed
[19:43] <ttx> kirkland: but a "fix bugs" spec would cover for that
[19:43] <hallyn> ttx: also i found it useful as a beginner for learning about debian packaging a bit
[19:43] <hallyn> not your target goal, but...
[19:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: IMO the papercuts project was successfull in that area
[19:43] <SpamapS> hallyn: I second that. It was helpful to be exposed to packages done different ways.
[19:44] <ttx> I'd have the bitesize list on one side, and a "fix bugs" generic blueprint to assign time to... fix bugs
[19:44] <kirkland> ttx: maybe ... i filed a bug-zapping spec for Lucid, which failed miserably, in my opinion
[19:45] <ttx> try to think about it a bit, and we'll rediscuss it at UDS-N
[19:45] <ttx> (done)
[19:45] <mathiaz> may be we could discuss something in between bug-zapping and -papercuts
[19:45] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[19:45] <ttx> small remark I forgot to make about postbeta work
[19:45] <ttx> there is just one week between Beta release and FinalFreeze
[19:46] <ttx> so that's when you can fix seemingly basic bugs
[19:46] <ttx> after FinalFreeze it gets harder to push small fixes in
[19:46] <hallyn> and that'd next week?
[19:47] <ttx> yes :)
[19:47] <hallyn> sweet
[19:47] <hallyn> more open discussion?
[19:47] <ttx> hallyn: welcome to the mad release schedule !
[19:47]  * Daviey isn't convinced there were enough left over for drive by contributors.
[19:47] <ttx> Daviey: in papercuts ?
[19:47] <hallyn> Daviey: didn't see anyone coming around asking though
[19:47] <mathiaz> ttx: so there are 2 weeks for preparation of RC?
[19:48] <SpamapS> So for sponsors, please be ready next wed. Unless WI improvements overload me, I plan to go on a "basic bug fixing" spree. ;)
[19:48] <ttx> mathiaz: there are three weeks
[19:48] <ttx> but FinalFreeze is at RC-2
[19:48] <hallyn> poor sponsors
[19:48] <zul> yes pitty us
[19:48] <hallyn> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:48]  * ttx looks at other cycles to compare
[19:48] <hallyn> Tuesday 2010-09-07 at 1800 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[19:49]  * hallyn waits to end meeting ...
[19:49] <mathiaz> ttx: I thought we had 2 weeks between beta release and final freeze
[19:49] <ttx> ah!
[19:50] <ttx> How did I misread that
[19:50] <hallyn> cool, 2 weeks to bomb the sponsors
[19:50] <ttx> mathiaz: you're right, thanks
[19:50] <mathiaz> ttx: hm - I don't think so
[19:51] <mathiaz> ttx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[19:51] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ week 21 is empty
[19:51] <hallyn> shortened cycle this time right?
[19:51] <ttx> 2 weeks between beta release and final freeze
[19:51] <mathiaz> ttx: ah.. right
[19:51] <ttx> 2 weeks between FinalFreeze and RC
[19:51] <mathiaz> ttx: I was reading from RC
[19:52] <hallyn> thanks, everyone
[19:52] <hallyn> #endmeeting
[19:52] <ttx> My Firefox is not drawing a line between week 21 and 22
[19:52] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:52.
[19:52] <mathiaz> anyway - indeed - there are two weeks between beta and final freeze
[19:52] <ttx> good :)