=== neeraj_ is now known as neeraj === charlie is now known as Guest359 === Guest359 is now known as porthose === xfaf is now known as zul === neeraj_ is now known as neeraj [02:02] I have accepted FFe sync requests that just need Archive Admin approval. Can I change the dependencies of a metapacakge to depend on a version of these not-yet-synced packages even though it'll make the metapackage temporarily uninstallable? [02:04] you /can/ but whether it's appropriate is influenced by how much pain you wish to inflict. I'd at least send out a devel-discuss e-mail; perhaps better to wait post-Beta. [02:04] crimsun_: fair enough. oh, right, it'd break our daily builds of Ubuntu Sugar Remix :) [02:27] In a related vein, I'm renaming sugar-logviewer-activity to sugar-log-activity to be in line with Debian. So I don't have to have an Ubuntu diff on that package, can I add a transitional dummy package to the ubuntu-sugar-remix-meta source package? [02:27] lfaraone, You want the transitional dummy package to live in sugar-log-activity source [02:28] persia: but that means I have to have a diff! unless I (as a DD) decide to upload a useless dummy package to Debian... [02:28] But you have to ask yourself, is it so important to do that now that it's worth all the exceptions, rather than realigning for natty? [02:28] persia: oh, it's already been renamed. [02:28] lfaraone, Yes indeed, it does. No helping that. [02:29] Well then, you need that transitional dummy package in a hurry :) [02:29] Or all your upgrading users will have issues. [02:29] (but I still see sugar-logviewer-activity in maverick, so ...) [02:31] oh, wait, I must be thinking of another package. [02:32] the poll package? [02:32] Since you have to carry a diff or have a useless package *anyway*, and the transition package has to be carried to LTS+1 (at least), I'd not consider it release critical were I you. [02:32] persia: I'm not. [02:33] nevermind, right now we don't have any renames we've handled. [02:34] (or need to this cycle, for that matter) [02:34] Heh, OK. Don't forget your Breaks and Replaces for your renamed package, etc. [05:56] neversfelde: there's an interest in getting minitube upgraded, are you interested in the merge? [07:55] good morning === ara_ is now known as ara [08:27] didrocks: one question -- where the hash 5be4e13ff from? i can't find it in any gkeyfile-sharp repository. [08:27] s/the/did the/ [08:32] hyperair: that was me, just use the HEAD id if it's wrong [08:33] looks like it should be db21571d4 [08:33] oh okay [08:34] maybe i rebased or something [08:35] the get-orig-source will sort you out [08:35] oh right, get-orig-source [08:35] so how much did you add in? should i add you to debian/copyright and Uploaders? [08:36] no don't bother [08:37] i tweaked copyright, added get-orig-source and altered rules a bit [08:37] okay [08:37] i enjoy that get-orig-source of asac's though, will keep it around [08:45] Laney: actually get-orig-source seems to be missing. [08:45] all i see is the .PHONY: get-orig-source [08:46] look up [08:46] oh what [08:47] ffs I'm about to have a shower, give me a second [08:48] Laney: You say that as if you have no control over the fact. [08:50] I had already turned it on! === hannesw_ is now known as hannesw [09:06] * hyperair kicks oftc [09:06] connect, damn you! [09:06] that should read: internation transit links from .sg. [09:07] T_T [09:07] how did you guess [09:07] i mean hey it connected when i was in malaysia. [09:12] hello there hyperair ! [09:12] seeing you after a long time! [09:12] hello there bilalakhtar. [09:13] it's only been a week =\ [09:13] hyperair: Time is relative. [09:15] jpds: hi there! I have a question. The ubuntu-sa.org domain needs its NS to be set. how to get it done? [09:15] rt@ubuntu.com again [09:15] It can't be odne. [09:15] jpds: okay, thanks [09:16] jpds: so I will need to get the host to listen to the requests, right? [09:16] bilalakhtar: Yep. [09:23] hyperair: http://pastebin.com/A1mfe6MN that's the one [09:23] you might want to make it use git archive instead [09:23] but... effort [09:24] hmm git archive [09:24] git archive has a weakness where it does not work well with submodules [09:25] but i dont' think gkeyfile will be using submodules in the future anyway [09:25] sure [09:25] that one works as is anyway [09:26] err [09:26] remove the :: stuff [09:27] http://pastebin.com/yY3Pe62B [09:31] if anybody has a tiny bit of time, can you branch lp:~dholbach/harvest/release-prep follow the instructions in the INSTALL file and play with it and see if there's anything glaringly broken? O:-) [09:33] Laney: what's the update-local-branch bit? [09:36] hyperair: you can see the original code here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/connman/connman.debian.unstable/annotate/head%3A/debian/rules [09:38] Laney, `sed '/Version:/s/Version: //'` achieves the same as `grep Version: | sed -e 's/Version: //'`, except it's faster, uses less ram, and easier to read. [09:39] * persia would do `sed '/^Version:/s/Version: //'`just to skip any non-line-starting "Version: " [09:39] persia: ack, but those were cribbed [09:39] not that that's a good excuse [09:39] No reason not to improve them :) [09:39] I just didn't feel like rewriting it [09:39] cargo cult hacking is strongly discouraged [09:39] I use it when it saves me time and effort. :( [09:40] I'm sure asac would appreciate the input too [09:40] And one can probably make it faster by using make's internal text manipulation routines rather than the shell echo foo lines below [09:41] That get-orig-source isn't policy-complaint anyway, as it can't be run from arbitrary directories (fails to use $dir( $(_)), etc.) [09:42] Plus that *shouldn't* work, because it's $(call GET_SOURCE) and there's no call to $(shell ...) [09:49] wgrant, is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/510180 hard to fix? [09:49] Launchpad bug 510180 in Soyuz "launchpad.packagesets empty with anonymous login" [Low,Triaged] [09:50] dholbach: About four lines, plus a few more of tests. [09:50] hm [09:50] Well, two lines of code, and two more of whitespace. [09:50] it's currently the only reason why harvest needs login credentials [09:57] hi folks [09:58] \sh: is uploading fai 3.4 to maverick still on your agenda? ;-) [09:59] <\sh> siretart, did you find out if we still have our standing freeze exception for FAI? [09:59] no, I did not [10:00] <\sh> siretart, should we discuss that topic on #ubuntu-server and talk to the server guys? [10:06] hyperair: I improved it a touch: pull from my git repo [10:06] * Laney shoots off to work, back soon [10:06] dholbach: I'm preparing a branch now. [10:07] wgrant, you are awesome! [10:34] dholbach: Branch approved, so it should land in ~4 hours and be on edge tomorrow. Assuming edge doesn't break again. [10:48] * dholbach hugs hugs hugs wgrant [10:49] dholbach: so what's this harvest branch for? [10:49] ajmitch, it's basically release candidate [10:50] ajmitch, so we can get it deployed soon [10:50] ok [10:51] from what I saw of harvest during UDS, it rocked. Waiting to see how the new one looks :) [10:51] I think there was extensive changes from when I saw it last :D [10:51] * ajmitch should have a look at where it's grabbing data from [10:51] from lp:harvest-data [10:53] I'm sure that this update step will finish one day before release.. [10:54] hmm there's no dh_makeclilibs [10:55] hyperair: ? [10:55] ajmitch: in Laney's git repo for gkeyfile# [10:55] hyperair: unless it's been removed, it exists on my lucid system [10:55] aha [10:55] i really meant override_dh_makeclilibs [10:55] context is everything ;) [10:55] yep ;-) [10:56] * ajmitch would be worried if cli-common-dev had dropped it :) [10:57] ajmitch, it will - I think it's just the first run that takes a bit longer :) [10:57] and thanks to wgrant we can soon omit the "authorise with LP" step :) [10:58] dholbach: 2 weeks [10:58] lifeless, edge should be good enough for me :) [10:58] dholbach: it will only be on edge today/tomorrow. [10:59] dholbach: we're getting rid of edge - using it as a dev, deliberately is fine, but you really don't want anything packaged using it. [10:59] lifeless, it's not going to get packaged [10:59] kk [11:00] it'l be a webpage :) [11:01] dholbach: it's looking nice now [11:01] Dylan's work [11:01] lifeless: Using edge has historically been a good idea. [11:02] lifeless: Since when the API breaks, you can just flip to production until you update your client. [11:02] wgrant: yes, and the upshot of this is that production is consistently worse than edge [11:03] lifeless: Hm? [11:03] wgrant: nvm I've been muttering about latency and cycle time to myself all day [11:04] hyperair: still a WIP, I don't claim that it was finished [11:04] I gave it to you since you owned the ITP [11:04] also why aren't we in -cli? [11:04] because OFTC hates me [11:04] lifeless: Heh. [11:04] Laney: because there are scary debian people there [11:04] Laney: i've been attempting to connect to OFTC for the past few hours. [11:05] :( [11:05] tor bridge time! [11:05] ajmitch: you're a scary Debian person and are in here... [11:05] there's no escape! [11:06] Laney: get your key signed & become scary as well! [11:06] I will always be fluffy [11:08] beagle is gone in maverick, right? [11:08] hope so [11:08] rmadison tells me it is [11:08] libbeagle might need an ubuntu removal [11:08] dholbach: should harvest be showing data for removed packages like that? [11:09] ajmitch, that's a harvest-data bug [11:10] ok [11:10] * Laney Files It Really Quickly [11:10] there should be a report for that [11:10] Laney: yeah, there's not one now [11:10] I'll let you do it :) [11:11] no I don't mean a harvest bug report, that's yours [11:11] I was meaning the removal request actually [11:11] I mean a report "stuff wot woz removed in debian but not done got removed in ubuntu" [11:11] maybe you can specify which list it was on [11:11] dholbach: cli-mono packageset, I'll put it in the bug report [11:12] well the package exists in stable releases [11:12] ajmitch, which opportunity list [11:12] ajmitch, thanks a lot! [11:12] yep, so there could technically still be SRU stuff to do to it, though it'd be unlikely [11:17] Laney: filed your kill kill kill request? [11:17] yeah [11:18] excellent [11:18] * ajmitch spots it [11:18] ubuntu-archive not subscribed? [11:18] they should be [11:18] might have been LP being slow [11:19] it shows up now when I refreshed [11:22] dholbach: so adding new stuff for harvest is just by adding a url to the opportunities file in harvest-data? [11:22] ajmitch, exactement [11:23] * ajmitch wonders if it'd be worth adding that rc bugs stuff or not [11:23] given its inaccuracy :) [11:24] I'm sure that people will find bugs if it's broken :) [11:24] but I think it's totally worth adding [11:25] About #619652 and #619650 - can I do more than sit'n'wait? [11:25] bribes can help [11:26] flattr clicks? ;) [11:27] looks to be just waiting on ubuntu-archive? [11:27] bug 619652 and bug 619650 [11:27] Launchpad bug 619652 in wesnoth-1.8 (Ubuntu) "FFe: Sync wesnoth-1.8 1:1.8.3-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619652 [11:27] Launchpad bug 619650 in wesnoth (Ubuntu) "Please remove wesnoth from maverick" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619650 [11:27] I suspect they're a little busy, not sure what can be done there to help it along [11:27] Ah, I think you could bribe the archive admin for today ;) [11:28] Rhonda: Try bribing Riddell :D [11:30] * ajmitch wonders if anyone actually uses ikvm [11:31] directhex is the only user I know [11:31] http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=ikvm [11:32] what's wrong with ikvm? [11:32] i don't know how many people actually use it, but it's interesting technology and was a fun packaging challenge [11:32] nothing the matter with it, it just doesn't seem overly active in terms of releases [11:33] oh, there are newer releases, but i'm not even looking at them due to freezes [11:33] they're up to rc5 i think of 0.44 [11:33] ok [11:34] * ajmitch stabs keyboard [11:34] wireless keyboards are so annoying when the batteries are running flat [11:35] Rhonda: you'll be around and available this week right? [11:37] nigelb: Yes, am. [11:38] nigelb: Actually was looking for you already before to mention that. :P [11:38] Rhonda: \o/ I'll try me best to get things arranged this week :) [11:38] Rhonda: heh :) [11:39] nigelb: My current desktop wallpaper at work (dual-head setup): http://www.channel4.com/microsites/I/it-crowd/wallpapers/4840x1080.jpg [11:40] * nigelb jaw drops. [11:40] WOW [11:40] Notice the sticker in the upper right corner of the monitor on the desk in the middle. :) [11:40] heh [11:40] What I first noticed was V for Vendetta :D [11:41] heh [11:41] nigelb, moss' ubuntu logo is the wrong way up! [11:42] nigelb: Where's that? Another two sweet things are Neo and Bill, btw. :) [11:42] directhex: a bit tilted, yes [11:42] reminds me of mercedes logo [11:43] Rhonda: next to the cupboard, the mask :) [11:43] what the..... [11:44] I love Bill :) [11:45] You mean the mask above the ubuntu sticker? Don't know vendetta, to be honest [11:46] nigelb: what about the altair? [11:46] ajmitch: I'm too young to recognize :p [11:47] even I recognised it [11:47] you saying I'm old? :) [11:47] ajmitch: I've never even seen pictures of it :( [11:47] until now [11:48] you need to learn some history then [11:48] ajmitch: yes, I do :) [11:48] Altair? [11:48] Rhonda: whats a dual head set up? [11:49] Rhonda: altair 8800 on the shelves to the left of the door [11:49] nigelb: Two monitors. [11:49] Otherwise it wouldn't fit on my desktop anyway. [11:49] Ah [12:05] <\sh> micahg, zend-framework 1.10.8 will reach maverick in a few...so you could start to backport / ppa ;) === xfaf is now known as zul [12:32] kklimonda, I couldn't test your second patch due to gdm bug on my maverick. [12:48] \o/ - wesnoth-1.8 1:1.8.3-5 in squeeze already, but not in maverick. ;) [12:48] Riddell: *prodprod* :) === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [12:58] Rhonda: Does it need an FFe? [12:58] iulian: It's -1 to -5 [12:59] iulian: That might be argued actually. [12:59] Rhonda, No upstream changes, just bugfixes? [13:00] First yes, but second … no. Packaging work, to ease upgrades. [13:00] It adds two unversioned packages. [13:01] Oh, that does need FFe, just because it will get stuck in binary-NEW, and it makes the archive-admins lives easier if they can reference a bug explaining why the extra packages exist. [13:04] Isn't bug #619652 such a bug? [13:04] Launchpad bug 619652 in wesnoth-1.8 (Ubuntu) "FFe: Sync wesnoth-1.8 1:1.8.3-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619652 [13:04] sistpoty ACKed it already, actually. Not sure about his authority for that, though. [13:05] #610056 is also a rather annoying bug that would get fixed with the update. [13:06] bug #610056 [13:06] Launchpad bug 610056 in wesnoth-1.8 (Ubuntu) "wesnoth icons doesn't show in kmenu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/610056 [13:16] Rhonda, It is such a bug, and sistpoty has full authority (you can check that he's a member of ~ubuntu-release) [13:33] persia, meeting today right? [13:34] ara, Yep. [13:35] persia, 2 hours and 24 minutes left right? [13:36] Something like that, yes. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:49] persia, is coolbhavi case done? [14:50] ari-tczew, Wasn't last I checked (a couple hours ago) [15:02] ari-tczew: persia his MOTU application is still in the fire? [15:02] it was discussed eons ago.. i thought it would have been over [15:05] shadeslayer: from Agenda: persia to call for remaining votes for coolbhavi's application [15:05] hmm [15:07] I did. I haven't gotten all the returns yet. [15:12] micahg: yes, I talked to upstream and they want us to use gstreamer like debian does. So we should sync [15:12] I don't have a broadband internet connection atm, so I cannot do it now. I will get to it later, if no one else does [15:24] neversfelde: is there anything missing in the Debian package that we have? [15:25] micahg: not that I know, but I didn't look at it for weeks [15:26] neversfelde: do you want me to take care of the sync/merge if necessary? [15:26] micahg: yes, please, would be great [15:27] neversfelde: k, np [15:33] \sh: thanks for ZF, I meant to ask you before, was the twitter auth issue worth an SRU? [15:36] Ugh. I just sponsored a fix for bug 373100, which had a debdiff attached since Jaunty, and forgot to change the changelog message. (which reads "Fix bug that prevents clients from being shown in Ubuntu 9.04.") [15:36] Launchpad bug 373100 in thin-client-manager (Ubuntu) "Thin Client Manager shows nothing" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373100 [15:36] luckily you can get it rejected [15:37] * lfaraone looks for Riddell or ScottK. [15:38] hmm? [15:38] Riddell: can you reject the upload of thin-client-manager 0.5.1-0ubuntu8 ? [15:38] uploaded to where? [15:38] Riddell: maverick. [15:39] lfaraone: rejected [15:39] Laney: the question is, how many edits does it take before I should change the changed-by line? [15:39] Riddell: thanks. [15:39] up to you [15:39] I probably wouldn't unless it was me incorporating the patch in something i was doing anyway [15:40] Laney: okay. well, I'd also like to bump the compat version from 4 to something recent, as well as the ancient standards version :) === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:53] Am I allowed to correct typos in previous changelog entries? "teh"->"the", for ex. [15:56] lfaraone, Generally frowned upon, but sometimes done. [16:09] can a sync request close multiple bugs or just the original sync request? [16:10] Depends on the changelog in Debian [16:10] persia: w/out a changelog entry [16:11] Then it won't close any bugs at all (although the archive-admin usually closes the sync bug manually) [16:11] persia: oh, I thought they had a script... [16:12] Yes, but it's still semi-manual. [16:12] persia: k, I can close the other bug manually :) [16:21] micahg: what's up? [16:22] stalcup: hi, I wanted to ask you about lemonpos, specifically using hte binary lemon [16:22] * micahg has to run ATM though [16:22] micahg: ok [16:22] stalcup: will you be around later? [16:22] It is in need up updating, i can file a ffe [16:23] stalcup: ah, ok, bug 596065 [16:23] Launchpad bug 596065 in sqlite3 (Ubuntu) "package lemon (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/lemon', which is also in package lemonpos 0:0.9.1-0ubuntu1" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596065 [16:36] Hello [16:38] hmm.. I need a tool to add license header to multiple files, anyone knows something like that? [16:38] You're upstream? [16:39] yes [16:39] ed can be very useful for that sort of thing. [16:39] I just don't have a better channel to ask :) [16:39] scriptable editor [16:40] hmm, yeah.. I could do that if there is no tool available - I could swear there was something. :) [16:43] ed ought be easy: load the file, count through the comment at the top, insert the contents of another file on the filesystem (containing your license header), save, close. === rbelem_ is now known as rbelem === ivoks is now known as ivoks_bbl [18:17] Hello, I'm packaging a program that expects some files to be present in a subfolder of the main executable. Is it OK to create a symlink from /usr/bin/appname to the real binary? Also, is it ok to put the binary and necessary files in /usr/share/appname, or should I place them somewhere else? [18:19] anoteng: what programming language is it in? [18:19] pascal/lazarus [18:19] azeem: ^ [18:19] is that being compiled? [18:19] yup [18:20] if so, it should probably go under /usr/lib, not /usr/share [18:21] azeem: There's only one compiled binary, the rest of the files are plain text.. place it all in /usr/lib/appname/ ??? [18:31] anoteng: place them in /usr/share/appname/ and fix the application so it looks for files in the new place. well, that's what I would do. [18:59] kklimonda: Yea, that would be the best thing to do, but lazarus projects is a mess, especially if you don't know pascal. [18:59] I'll try one more time... [19:30] Hi, I'm trying to make a meta-package that installs all the packages Totem needs for DVD support (gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly, etc), then runs /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh. Problem is, the aforementioned script uses apt, so it fails because apt is already running. Could someone help me find a solution? [19:43] you can't install another packages in maintainer scripts [19:47] Should I just go through the file and dependency stuff then? [20:09] cool, thanks michag [20:09] I'll work on that when I get homw [20:10] stalcup: thank you :) === ivoks_bbl is now known as ivoks === ivoks is now known as ivoks_away === yofel_ is now known as yofel