[00:28] Has anyone worked much with AoE targets for HA networked storage mediums? I'm curious how fault tolerant it can be. [00:33] I have a server with a 10gig system partition and would like to move and remap /var to another drive(bigger) as that is where all the data goes. [00:33] could someone point me to a guide or how to? [00:40] don't all jump in all at once now. [00:51] New bug: #627142 in apache2 (main) "Apache2 init.d script runs 'stty sane', which will fail on script runs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627142 === xfaf is now known as zul [01:48] I have a ubuntu server with cups installed, how do I access the interface in other pc in the same network [01:53] Andre_Gondim: i think cups has a web interface [01:54] pmatulis, yeah, it has, but how may I do the accesss by other machine not localhost [01:55] Andre_Gondim: port 631 i believe [01:55] I did, but don't show me nothing [01:56] Andre_Gondim: what exactly did you do? [01:57] I installed ubuntu server, and cups, then in other machine try ip_from_server:631 and shows me a error page, like that page doesn't exists [01:59] Andre_Gondim: i guess the cups daemon isn't running [02:00] Andre_Gondim: you should get something like what i have on my system: [02:01] oops [02:01] cupsd 1938 root 7u IPv4 25155 0t0 TCP 127.0.0.1:631 (LISTEN) [02:01] root 19103 0.0 0.1 6872 2620 ? Ss 21:45 0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf [02:02] pmatulis, like this? [02:02] Andre_Gondim: for me, it's listening on localhost [02:03] Andre_Gondim: change that in your config file [02:03] Andre_Gondim: what output do you get to: [02:03] sudo lsof -i4tcp:631 -nP [02:04] cupsd 19103 root 6u IPv4 165972 0t0 TCP 127.0.0.1:631 (LISTEN) [02:04] Andre_Gondim: there you go. change the config file so it listens on your IP address [02:05] pmatulis, the config file is cupsd.conf? [02:05] Andre_Gondim: yeah [02:06] I have inserted Listen my_other_machine_ip:631 and restarted the service cups, bug the result is the same [02:06] Andre_Gondim: your other machine? [02:07] Andre_Gondim: no, put the server's address [02:07] oh, I got it [02:08] pmatulis, many thanks, now I can setup my printer ;) [02:08] Andre_Gondim: good work [02:10] ...mornin y'all - anyone familiar with grub2 strangeness - i.e., on powerON (not reboot), grub just hangs with "out of disk" error...? [02:12] YDU_Remote: when you power on your machine does not boot but when you reboot it does? [02:17] pmatulis: Yeppers mate...exactly that. Strange, innit... [02:18] YDU_Remote: you might have a power issue (power supply or wall outlet) [02:19] pmatulis: All tested/checked/verified. This server installation also does the same thing at the lab, here, or anywhere else. Strange thing this - I've done the exact same installation/setup on several machines and this one is the only one that freaks like this. All the same hardware, same Ubu version, same everything. [02:20] YDU_Remote: but you're using the same p/s, obviously [02:20] YDU_Remote: or did you change it? [02:21] Used the PSU from a different box (the same, but just from a different box) -> same issue. [02:23] YDU_Remote: how many and what kind of drives? [02:32] pmatulis: Single drive, internal, 1.5tb => Samsung [02:33] YDU_Remote: swap in another one [02:33] pmatulis: Hard to do whilst this site is active - have to try that at COB [02:33] YDU_Remote: COB? [02:34] pmatulis: My bad - it's a WD (COB - Close of business) [02:34] YDU_Remote: alright [02:36] Is it possible to adjust some setting so that I don't see the entire directory structure at the command prompt? maybe just the current folder name? [02:36] These kinda niggly things really give me the shiites sometimes...re-installed grub2 so many times I feel like I'm dating it... [02:38] JasonMSP: yes, of course [02:38] JasonMSP: you want to "customize your bash prompt" (assuming you're using bash as shell) [02:40] pmatulis: yes [02:40] JasonMSP: so google will tell you, basically you want to define the PS1 variable [02:40] thanks [02:41] JasonMSP: your current prompt is given by 'echo $PS1' === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [02:41] i'm trying to configure lighttpd to work [02:41] i installed it with apt-get [02:41] and i'm getting 403 forbiddens everywhere [02:41] how can I fix that [02:41] EvilPhoenix: i guess you need to configure it [02:41] no crap [02:42] i came here looking for support with that [02:44] http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/1/TutorialConfiguration [02:44] EvilPhoenix: that should get you started [03:03] a [03:05] chrismsnz, === jman_ is now known as jjman === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:18] <|rt|> does anyone know of any reasons you can get really bad (4.3 MB/s) write speed and really good (187 MB/s) read with software raid in linux? [03:18] raid 5? [03:18] <|rt|> doesn't seem to matter what file system I use or kernel version [03:18] <|rt|> yes 5 disk raid 5 [03:18] it's doing a lot of calculation per write [03:19] any of you folks ever use psad with server edition? [03:19] i haven't seen it that bad, but it's bad [03:19] <|rt|> nah...cpu's can do that really fast [03:19] <|rt|> it's not cpu bound when this is happening [03:19] <|rt|> like 97% idle cpu [03:19] <|rt|> i've used 12 disk raid5 software raid without any issues in the past [03:20] is one of the disks dragging it down? [03:20] try to run hdparm on each individual device [03:20] hdparm -tT [03:20] <|rt|> yeah did that already...they are all about the same [03:20] <|rt|> 50-60 MB/s [03:20] <|rt|> but hdparm only test reads....and my slowness is writes [03:21] <|rt|> I'll blow my raid volume away and run some bonnie++ tests on each drive [03:22] <|rt|> but these same drives did a good job with OpenSolaris and ZFS [03:22] <|rt|> if I can't get linux working right I'll try FreeBSD and just go back to ZFS [03:23] zfs is nice :) [03:23] if you're running a recent kernel the on-disk format for btrfs is now stable so might be worth a whack [03:23] <|rt|> it is....I was hoping to play with BTRFS but the user space tools seem to be a bit lacking [03:23] obviously not if it's production, though [03:23] <|rt|> and it's documentation [03:24] I prefer RAID 10 to raid 5 [03:24] <|rt|> chrismsnz: I started off playing with BTRFS on Maverick on this system just to see what it was like [03:25] <|rt|> chrismsnz: yeah I agree only the raid 10 thing but these drives are only 250GB drives so for capacity I chose to stick to RAID5 for now [03:25] in fact, you could probably use Linux's "raid 10" on your array - it outperformed raid6 in my tests [03:25] <|rt|> but BTRFS doesn't do RAID5 yet [03:26] <|rt|> yeah...I may do that just to test this....but I need to figure out what about my system Linux isn't likely [03:26] <|rt|> liking [03:26] well, if you want the bleeding edge - i heard that native linux ZFS is being released shortly as a compilable kernel module [03:26] <|rt|> yeah I think i'll pass on that for now [03:27] <|rt|> hopefully maverick +1 has BTRFS and the documentation and user space tools are improved [03:27] natty narwhal D: [03:28] <|rt|> integration with apt and snapshots would be nice too :) [03:30] is your hardware exceedingly old or new? [03:30] <|rt|> it's middle of the road [03:31] a while ago linux was having trouble with an onboard sata controller I had and it affected speeds quite badly [03:31] <|rt|> it's probably a year old or so but it wasn't cutting edge then [03:31] shouldn't be a problem there :\ [03:31] <|rt|> yeah I've been looking for information about the SB700 chipset and performance issues but haven't found anything [03:32] <|rt|> the system has an AMD Athlon 4850e cpu [03:33] you're using software raid by mdadm right? [03:33] <|rt|> yeah [03:33] * chrismsnz boggles [03:33] <|rt|> i've tried the SATA controller in SATA mode and AHCI mode with the same results [03:34] <|rt|> yeah i've never seen anything like this [03:34] <|rt|> but i've tried a few older kernels on system rescue live cd's to make sure it wasn't a kernel issue [03:35] <|rt|> what ever is going on doesn't seem to be tied to any kernel version [03:35] you're using one parity disk? [03:35] <|rt|> well raid5 doesn't have a dedicated parity disk...but it is n+1 parity [03:35] err yeah [03:36] i mean, i can see why it's slow to write... 5 disks = 4 reads and 2 writes per block [03:37] <|rt|> I have plenty of pci slots open so one option may be to pick up a couple of 4 port sata controllers [03:37] but like i said i haven't seen it that slow [03:37] or 3 reads, hypothetically, plus parity calculation [03:38] <|rt|> if the raid didn't rebuild at 50MB/s my first thought was partition mis-aligned but you normally don't see that much speed loss for that [03:39] <|rt|> just did a bigger test to make sure I wasn't seeing some caching affect on the read spead [03:40] <|rt|> wrote 7.4GB in 1767.36 seconds (4.2MB/s) and read 7.4GB in 49.046s (150MB/s) using dd [03:41] <|rt|> time to blow away the raid and run bonnie++ on each drive to see what happens [03:41] <|rt|> b/c if it's one drive the read speed could still be pretty good with raid5 as it could work around the slow drive [03:41] <|rt|> not sure it's that intelligent though [03:41] good luck :\ [03:42] also check dmesg and see if it's complaining about any of your hardware [03:42] <|rt|> yeah hopefully something jumps out with the individual disks [03:42] <|rt|> nothing in dmesg [03:42] bummer [03:49] <|rt|> chrismsnz: I think I found my problem [03:49] ooh [03:49] <|rt|> mkfs.ext4 on /dev/sda2 is going really slow....fast on all the other drives [03:49] give it a prod with smartctl [03:49] see if it's noticed a problem [03:52] <|rt|> hmm sdd2 is slow as well...may have spoken too soon [03:53] <|rt|> smart data is fine on all of the drives.....i'll have to swap what port the drives are plugged into and see if the problem follows ports, drives, or cables [03:59] hi, it seems as though cron isn't working on my system. Can someone help me out with a diagnosis? [04:10] hi [04:10] Datz: what makes you say that? [04:12] chrismsnz: I have cron jobs scheduled and they don't run [04:12] ok, where did you schedule them? [04:12] in crontab? cron.daily? cron.d? [04:13] crontab [04:13] unprivileged user? or root user? [04:13] user [04:13] groups datz [04:13] datz : datz adm dialout cdrom plugdev crontab sambashare lpadmin admin [04:13] I added myself to crontab group [04:13] in hopes to fix it [04:14] do you have an /etc/cron.deny or /etc/cron.allow file? [04:14] (it's ok if you don't but if you do it will use it) === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [04:15] no, for either [04:15] ok [04:15] you're running 10.04? [04:16] yes [04:16] type "status cron" [04:16] ok [04:16] status: Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory [04:16] this is a VM btw [04:17] don't know if it would matter in this case [04:17] no... is it a normal server install? [04:17] yes [04:17] Linux VMserv 2.6.32-24-server #39-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 28 06:21:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:18] does "ps -ef | grep cron" show you anything? is it running? [04:18] yes [04:18] root 757 1 0 Aug21 ? 00:00:01 cron [04:18] datz 30006 27262 0 02:34 pts/0 00:00:00 grep --color=auto cron [04:19] okay [04:19] show me the crontab line you used to schedule the task [04:20] I just used this for testing: * * * * * date > /tmp/foo.log [04:20] nothing in /tmp/ yet [04:22] ok one sec, just going to check a box [04:22] Datz, try */3 * * * * date > /tmp/foo.log [04:22] try restarting the cron daemon in the meantime "restart cron" [04:22] every 3 minutos [04:22] Andre_Gondim: I'll add that one as well [04:22] and reload the cron liek chrislabeard said [04:23] I'm getting the same error I got with status [04:23] ok [04:24] try restarting dbus [04:24] "restart dbus" [04:24] then "restart cron" [04:24] should I try to restart cron with /etc/init.d/cron restart? [04:24] ok [04:24] Datz: i don't know any more - half the friggen system is on upstart and half isn't [04:24] it holds up on restart [04:24] Datz, yes [04:25] kk [04:25] i'm testing these commands on a lucid box as i'm advising you, though :) [04:25] yeah the init.d file just restarts it via upstart anyway [04:25] ah [04:25] yea === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [04:26] well I never restarted the system after some updates, and it keeps asking for a restart.. might this create a problem? [04:26] humm, well now there is a foo.log :P [04:27] so I think restarting cron worked :) [04:27] maybe I should restart .... [04:27] yeah... [04:27] heh hehe [04:27] thanks [04:27] i've had dbus die after an update [04:27] ah [04:27] whole system seems to run on it now hehe [04:27] well.. bb in a few thanks again [04:27] ah [04:27] cool [04:32] I have a question about doing virtual ethernet onto my server how would I do that? I also got virtual hosting on couple pages how would I set all this up [04:33] you mean having aliased IP addresses on the same interface? [04:33] yes [04:34] ok [04:35] Here's a good howto on adding alias's for an interface and how to configure them correctly to be permanent [04:36] http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-creating-ethernet-alias-for-eth0-network-device.html [04:36] However! [04:36] If you just want it for virtual web hosting, you'll be better off relying on apache's virtualhost configuration [04:37] well see I have virtual hosting now on my server [04:40] alright thanks chris for your help [04:40] :o [04:42] anyone have any experiance with MAMP and enabling htaccess? [04:44] i don't use mamp, but the apache config to enable it should be the same [04:47] the problem im having is rewrite is not working [04:47] let me get the file one sec [04:50] its httpd.conf correct? [04:50] the htaccess file is usually ".htaccess" [04:50] httpd.conf configures the server [04:50] i mean to enable mod_rewrite [04:51] I'm not sure how mamp has it set up [04:51] yeah httpd.conf [04:51] (probably_ [04:52] looks like MAMP loads a mod_rewrite.so [04:54] ffffuuuuu they have AllowOverride in more than one place in httpd.conf and you have to enable all of them [04:54] oh, weak [04:55] you should just be able to enable it for your "location" [04:55] htdocs or whatever [04:55] hmm yeah I enabled it with an apache restart still no joy... still digging [04:57] ah so you can use a ".htaccess" file in another name using AcessFileName. That would be good for security? [04:59] do i have to have the htaccess file in the root of my web server or can i just use it in the dir im working in (ex /htdocs/site1/) ? [05:00] Its always worked for me just having it in teh working dir. [05:00] should be in the dir your working in [05:21] chrismsnz, why would httpd.conf be empty in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ? [05:22] tf2ftw: because most stuff happens in the .d's [05:22] is that in sites-enabled? [05:22] tf2ftw: twb is right, if your setting it up on ubuntu/debian [05:23] yeah its ubuntu [05:23] chrismsnz: if it was C5 it'd be /etc/httpd :-/ [05:23] Stupid apache people think theirs is the only httpd [05:23] yeah he was talking about mamp before [05:23] well looks like i might have found my htaccess problem [05:23] the script itself [05:24] does this look right? http://pastebin.com/F3UJ1a5k [05:25] not a regex expert, but the second ^ doesn't make sense to me? [05:26] let me look into that [05:27] well it's supposed to indicate the beginning of a string, so it doesn't make sense to have it in the brackets there when you're matching any character for the file name [05:27] again, not 100% [05:28] a rewrite of mine looks like this: [05:28] RewriteRule ^.*$ /index.php [NC,L] [05:28] you are correct about the second ^ [05:29] so try changing yours to "RewriteRule ^.+\.html$ /$1.php [QSA,L]" [05:30] err you need the brackets actually to capture [05:30] RewriteRule ^(.+)\.html$ /$1.php [QSA,L] [05:31] aha! [05:31] take that "/" out before $1 and you are a winner [05:31] Thanks [05:32] The strange thing is i copied this htaccess file from another project that was working.. i might have copied the wrong one (obviously) [05:32] thanks [05:33] _b [05:34] here is something weird, this htaccess works on my local MAMP but not my Ubuntu apache2.. [05:34] getting an Internal Server Error [05:34] check the error log it normally sheds a little more light [05:36] ".htaccess: Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration" [05:37] heh [05:37] check this out, how the folder is not showing up on the web server [05:37] "sudo a2enmod rewrite" [05:38] then restart apache [05:38] you nailed it again. shit im going to have to start paying you [05:38] o.O [05:39] luckily i am at the end of my server journey here (i hope) [05:40] hehe, already getting paid but considering going consulting next year [05:40] good for you man. I took the jump recently. [05:41] this server is great for keeping everything on one box. no more passing thumb drives or emails. [05:42] yeah, testing the waters here in NZ to see if I can make a living as a python/django dev & sysadmin [05:42] good luck. [05:43] ok im checking out. Thanks again [06:00] MDADM: Who are the experts? =D [06:01] New bug: #627227 in apache2 (main) "ChrootDir(mpm_common) and DocumentRoot issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627227 [06:09] shout out, if someone's around they'll let ya know :) [06:09] what's your prob? [06:11] Trying to figure out if I can do raid 6 with more than two parity volumes, also spreading parity blocks redundantly across drives instead of having specific drives handle it. I'm very new to software raid, and not sure how to procede. =D [06:11] cool [06:11] well, you'll be happy to know that raid5 and raid6 have distributed parity, not dedicated disks [06:11] I did look over the manual, and I'm under the impressive from a combination of the man file and the linux-raid wiki that I can define parity drives with -spare, but I wanted to talk to someone who has done it before I've done it. [06:11] before I do it* [06:12] chrismsnz, Sweet! [06:12] Then I think I read it wrong and that -spare is probably not what I thought it was. [06:14] a spare isn't a parity drive, it's a drive that is inactive until there's a problem with the array - at which point it will jump in and start reconstructing [06:14] chrismsnz, That's automatic? [06:15] Not even pillar does that crap [06:15] Why the hell am I using Pillar [06:15] what the hell is pillar D: [06:15] ah, san/nas brand [06:15] It's awesome [06:15] but it doesn't do that [06:16] I mean if we needed the iops I'd understand, but we really don't. [06:16] i think it probably does, they might call it something different [06:16] hot-spare is the other common name [06:16] When a drive failed in one of our bricks, I had to come in on a sunday to plug the new one in. :3 [06:17] yeah, obviously it has to be configured as a spare at first - remember it's completely unused until there's a problem [06:18] how many disks are we talking? [06:19] I'm thinking 20. [06:19] linux supports raid5 and raid6, but depending on the circumstances I normally lean towards Linux raid 10 or raid 1 + 0 [06:19] It depends on what they want to pay for. [06:19] Between 10 and 20 [06:19] with the auto-rebuilding, i might be able to sell them on more [06:20] with raid 6 can you have more than one backup of a parity block? [06:20] like, losing three drives instead of two? [06:20] or is more redundancy required for that? [06:20] here's a big entry on raid levels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID [06:21] covers everything including linux's non-spec raid 10 [06:21] ohzie: not sure about that [06:22] you can specify whatever redundancy you like with linux special mdraid 10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_RAID_levels#Linux_MD_RAID_10 [06:22] ohzie: are you building an appliance? [06:22] chrismsnz, Yes. :D [06:23] Basically they want more storage in one of our locations, but they don't want to spend 80 thousand dollars on starting another pillar [06:23] ohzie: you should play with FreeBSD and ZFS [06:23] Linux has btrfs in the pipeline which is looking good, but not fully baked yet [06:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs ZFS is awesome at managing massive amounts of storage [06:26] under linux I'd probably set up the underlying RAID comprising all of the disks and plop a flexible LVM scheme on it [06:40] I've got a new ubuntu server 10.04 VPS and I can't get ssh to work with keys (I've been trying on and off for days). my key is /root/.ssh/authorized_keys/id_rsa.pub - here is /etc/ssh/sshd_config http://dpaste.com/236672/ [06:58] doh, authorized_keys is a file [08:47] hi [08:47] can i get help regarding xen on Ubuntu Server ? [08:47] or is there a irc channel for xen on Ubuntu ? [08:48] kaushal: #ubuntu-virt ? As far as I know, KVM is the only supported option. [08:48] ok [08:49] jpds: I am looking out for vmlinuz-2.6.32-24.xen and initrd.img-2.6.32-24.xen [08:49] Cannot join to channel #ubuntu-virt (You must be invited) [09:00] jpds: sorry about asking basic question [09:01] so xen type is KVM ? [09:01] not sure i understand that [09:02] kaushal: KVM is a different virtualisation technology. [09:02] KVM is hardware virtualization. Xen is paravirtualization (though it will fall back to full virtualization). [09:03] ok [09:03] so whats the difference between them ? [09:03] The difference is in how virtualization is done. [09:09] twb: Thanks [09:31] Hi [09:31] I am trying to install sun-java6-jdk because Cloudera Distributed Hadoop has it as dependency, but I can't because of dependency failure [09:32] In Lucid, Sun Java is in the "partners" repo. Have you enabled it? [09:32] twb: let me check [09:33] (Incidentally, if you're trying to make proprietary "enterprise" crap work on linux, you might as well just shoot yourself now. It's NOT FUN.) [09:34] twb: CDH is Open Source :) they contribute back to Apache AFAIK [09:35] Everybody *says* that; I believe them when Debian ftpmasters allows it through the NEW queue. [09:35] :-D [09:36] FWIW, "wnpp-check hadoop" has no hits [10:02] <\sh> moins [10:03] \sh: OK [10:04] <\sh> siretart, cool...I just found the discussion about the freeze exception for fai [10:04] <\sh> siretart, http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com/msg04598.html but I don't read anything about a granting ;) [10:07] \sh: there wasn't much disagreement either. [10:07] ah, you mean it would annoy someone if we broke FF for fai? [10:08] <\sh> siretart, yes...but when we use the discussion from that time as a "granted FFE for FAI"...I'm happy to upload [10:09] <\sh> siretart, and only today I got a message on fai-linux that the PPA packages are working === twister004__ is now known as twister004 [10:10] oh, what a shame [10:11] \sh: TBH, I'd say just upload. the risk of breaking other unrelated packages is neglectable AFAIUI. [10:11] in terms of: 0 [10:11] <\sh> siretart, it won't break anything... [10:12] <\sh> well, I'll prepare maverick packages + add the pointer to the ml archive for documentation...:) at the same time I'll do an FFe report for zend-framework ;) [10:12] cool! [10:25] reload squid [10:25] reload: Unknown instance: === rew is now known as drurew [10:32] anyone a cacti genious here? ; Im having a wierd problem where my graphs restart collecting at @ 2am.. [10:33] Most people here are humans. [10:33] Or at least anthropoids [10:33] (Oops.) === rew is now known as drurew [10:35] hey twb... [10:37] wot? [10:38] "hey" as in "drurew waves to twb" [10:42] jdstrand: It seems that the libvirt packaging branch finally has been succesfully imported. Do you want to start using it for our packaging work? === twister004_ is now known as twister004 [11:28] Hi, I'm running ubuntu 8.04LTS raid1 (MD+LVM), the first drive died, can I directly replace the first drive by a new one and boot up ? [11:30] I'm affraid of what will happen when ubuntu will find a new empty drive as the first drive, will it automatically ID it and replace it as /dev/sda, or will it create a /dev/sdc ? (/dev/sdb being the healthy disk) [11:30] Zikey: that depends how grub is configured on the second drive [11:30] it's lilo [11:30] Zikey: basically, you can't rely on it working [11:30] Well, lilo I can't comment on [11:30] lilo doesn't work with LVM reliably anyway [11:31] (Since lilo remembers block offsets into the disk, and LVM can move extents around.) [11:31] with 8.04 we didn't have a change to install grub that didn't work with lvm [11:31] Zikey: that's because you tried to put /boot on LVM on RAID, which is 1) stupid; and 2) not supported by grub. [11:31] k [11:31] Note that this can happen accidentally due to a bug in d-i in 8.04 [11:32] unfortunately I didn't have the choice [11:32] <\sh> siretart, bug #627337 [11:32] Launchpad bug 627337 in ubuntu "[FFE] FAI 3.4 for Ubuntu Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627337 [11:32] (Namely: if you allocate /boot to md0 in partman, then configure LVM, it will forget about md0's configuration, go through the WHOLE install, then put /boot in with LVroot and force lilo.) [11:32] can i boot the 8.04LTS server by pressing some key to drop in command line without starting everything ? [11:32] hello all [11:32] a quick question if you dont mind [11:32] Zikey: well, you can boot with "single" which will give you a root shell. [11:33] i'm getting an errror after setting up cups as a server, [11:33] twb, how do you do that ? [11:33] Zikey: it's usually the second option in the bootloader "rescue" [11:33] Request from "129.93.xxx.xxx" using invalid Host: field "xxxx.xxx.edu:631" [11:33] what do I need to type when LILO boot ? [11:33] (xxx's are censored of course) [11:33] Zikey: otherwise, manually add "single" to the boot parameters, however that is done [11:33] when i try to axs the website, i get a '400 bad request', the website being the cups web admin page [11:33] Zikey: I haven't used lilo this millenium, so I don't remember [11:34] NightDragon: "censoring" a public IP isn't exactly going to protect you [11:34] i know. [11:34] matter of habit. [11:34] Bloody daft habit [11:34] better safe then sorry mate [11:35] oh look [11:35] i fixed my own problem :X [11:35] sorry guys [11:35] lol [11:35] I expect you fat-fingered the URL in your browser [11:37] no, actually i added the magic line in my conf file [11:37] (some line that was apparently needed) [11:38] in any case, while i'm here... does anybody know of anything that can enable one to get some really good control over printing on a print server? something that extends the basic functionality of CUPS perhaps? [11:38] Yeah, thingy [11:38] Some guy in europe makes it... [11:39] pykota, that's it [11:39] twb: narrows it down a bit. :-P [11:39] It's *really* annoying to work with, but AFAIK nobody else has much along those lines [11:39] It does stuff like rasterizing the page and calculating ink usage [11:40] actually, i think i've heard of this [11:40] And per-user ink/paper printing allowance, of course. [11:41] yeah, kinda lame that they want to almost charge you for documentation [11:43] I think I basically said "I don't want to deal with this, give it to an intern to deploy" [11:43] lol [11:43] actually, i have a question for you [11:44] i'm really sick and tired of our office (of which i'm the SA) having direct printing capabilities to all of the printers in the office [11:44] the results of which are some pretty stupid crap [11:44] ...such as the fact that lordy help us if an IP gets changed inadvertantly, etc [11:45] So move the printers to a new subnet and have the router block it [11:45] *block access to it [11:45] ...or i have to log on as adminstrator (a PITA in XP) to add a printer [11:45] ...or when some fucktard prints off a thousand page job to the printer i use (a color printer, which happens to be located right next to me) [11:46] so my question... i want to convince my boss to move to a cups/samba print server. What are the talking points of this (advantages, disadvantages, etc) [11:46] , and what should i really know that i might not already? :) [11:46] SPOF [11:46] yeah [11:46] it has to be failproof [11:47] Versus the administrative cost of you having to go around fixing people's printer configs [11:47] if i work with a single print server, can i (1) add printers to the server, and have it reflect regionally across many users? [11:47] Yes [11:47] Er, depends what you mean by "regionally" [11:47] 2) can i assign users into groups, and give them access to different printers depending on their groups [11:48] (i cant say 'globally' if i'm going to segment by groups lol) [11:48] I *think* so; I haven't done it myself [11:48]